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I'm way out on a limb right now checking out a few different things for v0.30. A lot has been learned with v0.20 and will be applied.
So my question is:
If I can find a way to eliminate Extended Rom and turn it into either Storage Memory or Program Memory (or both) which is preferred?
BTW, I've already been able to increase Storage Memory to over 60MB (See attached Image)...
kyphur said:
I'm way out on a limb right now checking out a few different things for v0.30. A lot has been learned with v0.20 and will be applied.
So my question is:
If I can find a way to eliminate Extended Rom and turn it into either Storage Memory or Program Memory (or both) which is preferred?
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Program memory is sufficient; go for Storage
Olipro said:
Program memory is sufficient; go for Storage
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I agree, I always run short on Storage and have enough program
Storage is the first to run low.. same as the above.
-mix
I don't agree with all of you Storage can be buyed but program memory is limited. Who knows the memory requirements in future WM6 programas.
My vote for program memory!
I'm with Viva. Low on storage? Move programs over to the card. Low on RAM? You're screwed. I say move it over to Program memory. That seems to be the most logical.
TaurusBullba said:
I'm with Viva. Low on storage? Move programs over to the card. Low on RAM? You're screwed. I say move it over to Program memory. That seems to be the most logical.
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Many are having problems running programs from Storage Card too, some think this is the root of some sleep lockups too. How many people ever runout of Program Memory? Maybe we should do that poll. I have a hard time keeping more tan 7MB free in storage., but I have at least 15-19MB free in Program.
Hi kyphur,
i think an additional 10mb of storage memory wont be sinifcant as the 60mb you have achieved in wm6 is suffice. if we need additional storage memory we have the sd cards to take care of it.
10mb of PROGRAM MEMORY is significant as we only have under 30mb free on a fresh hard reset and after a day of use this drops to about 24mb or less. the extra 10mb will allow us to run, well in my case, many apps with ample program memory and not worry about bogging down the system.
Therefore my vote goes to program memory.
But I have one concern with using ROM storage as program memory. RAM and ROM differ signifcantly in terms of technology and the ROM has much slower access rates than RAM. Would this have a signicant impact on performance?
Nonetheless, id still prefer it to be program memory.
Alot of programs run better from internal storage than from a storage card.
As already mentioned I havent run out of progam memory yet. But there again I have never run out of storage space either.
So my vote is for two thirds storage one third programs as apposed to half and half just to be different.
By the way keep up the good work kyphur, it is much appreciated.
kyphur said:
BTW, I've already been able to increase Storage Memory to over 60MB (See attached Image)...
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I suggest you max out that storage to see if it actually is valid or not.
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I suggest you max out that storage to see if it actually is valid or not.
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That is true too, if there are any doubts as to reliabilty, stability then go with storage as well.
50 - 50 Split for everyone.
I have an Ultra 1 Gb SD Memory card Fitted (Faster than std SD) and I have Not loaded any programs on the Phone. (Everything is on the SD) but I am starting to see that my Program memory is getting Low. So I would benefit from more program memory.
I don't know if the Ultra Card makes a difference but I have very few if any Lock ups / Freezes.
I do agree with most on max the storage to see how stable it is...., but I would like both. An option to do either on the fly would be even better.
kyphur, lots of thanks for the great Roms you're cooking and developing! one question though, if Extended Rom gets eliminated in the next version, then will there be some way left to make programs like theft alert survive hard resets?
no no... I mean fill the storage up completely and then soft-reset the PDA to see if it's actually *real* space.
Program seems to make the most sense to me
Program is a good idea so is storage so that is why i vote 50/50. I am running out of both of them anyway.
I know I can use an SD card but it is not the same. SD installed apps causes the device to lock up at times.
Thank's a lot kyphur.
I'm democratic so 50 & 50 but, how wrote Olipro, before real test.
Well,split it even might be logical as few apps need to be installed in phone memory for better performance...........
My vote will be to :: release 2 ROMs ,one with more program memory and one with more storage memory and the users will decide which one to vote ...(will it be too much work releasing 2 ROMs??,if yes then Program memory wins!!)
Kyphur,
if you build two different ROMS, one with maxxed out program memory and one with maxxed out storage id like to run SPB benchmark and post the results for a better polling result....
edit... i would like more storage but dont want to lessen the performance...
Greetings,
Please forgive me if this is a stupid question or the wrong thread.
I am curious about memory allocation in Custom ROMS. I have an ATT Fuze and the Stock ROM stripped of junk had over 200MB of Program memory available. It seems like most of the Custom ROMs on this forum only start with 120MB or so.
It seems like most of the Custom ROMS all focus on the amount of Storage available rather than Program memory. With SD cards being priced so low that they are almost free, why is there more focus on Storage rather than Program memory? The phone cost close to $1,000 but I have an 8GB storage card that cost me $10.
I have migrated from an eTen X500 where I always struggled to find ways to free up program memory. Here it seems like there is no interest in program memory, only storage.
Not being critical, just curious about what I am missing.
Thanks for any advice.
Doug M.
You are in the wrong thread just so you know for future reference, but I'll answer your question. Many of the cooks do try to get you as much program memory as possible, and if you look on the threads for cooked roms, you'll find that they usually post the numbers for both. Several of the cooks also have a few different versions of their roms, so you can choose a lighter version that gives you more program memory. That being said, the TP already has tons of memory and gives you enough room to install tons of programs, especially if you're running a cooked rom.
There is only so much you can squeeze out of the Program Memory. I may be wrong but the Program Memory acts like memory cache for running programs. About the only way you can lower Program Memory is from removing files from the payload when you dump it and by moving around the different partitions to recover unused space. When I build my ROMs I have been using 16MB pagepool which eats away from the program memory but increases the quickness of windows a bit.
Storage on the other hand is so much easier to gain back...
I know we have a way to move our apps to the internal nand memory, and that it's faster that way, but it seems like my class 6 sd card would be faster than the built-in sd. Is it possible to move our apps to the sd card (physical sd, not internal) so we do not bog down the system memory? It would just seem to make sense, until someone figures out how to make the internal sd respond faster.
My phone is just so...VIBRANT
We have 2 gigz of application memory.. No need for apps2sd... Not sure of the transfer rate on it tho... But apps2sd won't be as stable or fast... In my past experience...
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junkdruggler said:
We have 2 gigz of application memory.. No need for apps2sd... Not sure of the transfer rate on it tho... But apps2sd won't be as stable or fast... In my past experience...
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Yea who needs apps2sd with 2 gb of application storage...
temperbad said:
Yea who needs apps2sd with 2 gb of application storage...
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^ Vibrant pretty much as its own dedicated space for apps.
The data storage is slow, and laggy. I don't think it transfers as fast as a class 6 sd card. I currently have my apps in my /system, but space there is limited. (did the stalling fix)
I'm thinking that my sdcard is faster than the internal sd. Maybe not as fast as the nand, but still.
My phone is just so...VIBRANT
bryon13 said:
The data storage is slow, and laggy. I don't think it transfers as fast as a class 6 sd card. I currently have my apps in my /system, but space there is limited. (did the stalling fix)
I'm thinking that my sdcard is faster than the internal sd. Maybe not as fast as the nand, but still.
My phone is just so...VIBRANT
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umm?
I'm quite sure that the internal transfer rate is probably way above the capability of a class 6 for a whole lot of reasons, barring any manufacturing defects. If you are thinking that a memory card is magically going to speed up a phone that can basically do without one, then go get a UHS card to feel better.. . I'd rather just have a 16GB class 6 for storing crap and peace of mind but that's it.
bryon13 said:
The data storage is slow, and laggy. I don't think it transfers as fast as a class 6 sd card. I currently have my apps in my /system, but space there is limited. (did the stalling fix)
I'm thinking that my sdcard is faster than the internal sd. Maybe not as fast as the nand, but still.
My phone is just so...VIBRANT
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NAND is faster than your class 6 card, easily... the lag is not due to the internal storage...
check this post. Maybe it will clear up what I mean about the speed vs space limitations.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=727279
I've used method 1, and noticed a HUGE difference in speed. If course, my sd card isn't going to be as fast as the nand, but in past experience (g1, mt3g) the sd card was faster than the built in memory was.
My phone is just so...VIBRANT
bryon13 said:
The data storage is slow, and laggy. I don't think it transfers as fast as a class 6 sd card. I currently have my apps in my /system, but space there is limited. (did the stalling fix)
I'm thinking that my sdcard is faster than the internal sd. Maybe not as fast as the nand, but still.
My phone is just so...VIBRANT
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I did a test on my Vibrant internal SDCARD and it shows as a class 6....
I set CPU to 1000/1000 very little differences in battery drain yet did help a little with "lag" I also deleted most of the bloat-ware, startup and shutdown files...NOW ALL MOST NO LAG except as listed below...
When from 230 to 90 mb free after 1st boot up (without starting anything manually) to 230 to 120 mb free after 1st boot up...
So much Samsung has running at boot up so that extra 30mb and going down to 100MHz causes the"lag" - BTW, I did not do the "Lag fix" posted just to see if I could get it faster without going that.
The only two issue I currently have is:
While speednet app loads fast it will not start for about 45 secs - is forced to goto Washington State server, whereas all my other Android Phones goto CA...shows CA 1,123 miles away from phone
The double - "Press power button" and "then swipe screen" to use the phone is VERY "$$##%" ME OFF
I have used Titanium Backup to remove the bloatware, but I haven't tried permanently clocking to 1000. I saw no real difference in startup lag in my apps, until I used the "stalling issue" fix. What format is the data partition? That could have something to do with it? Would it make sense to add a swap partition to the internal sd? I'm really wondering if there are things we can do to tweak the built-in storage to make it more flexible, and functional? I would think 16 gig would give us PLENTY of space to play with...
My phone is just so...VIBRANT
Are you serious? I have well over 700 apks saved to my sdcard (almost 800mb) as backups... Theres no way you could throw that on an sd ext4 and it not lag.. Even a class 6... We can't even get apps2sd stable up to 2gigz... Like I said before the way it comes stock is faster and more stable than any hack we can come up with right now..
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Nevermind. Found a thread on apps to sd. It's already being done. I'll go check that thread. They don't see it as a pointless effort.
Thank you all.
My phone is just so...VIBRANT
Why does my system ROM say it only has 324MB of space? It is almost full?
Im running Navalynt's cherryblur? My internal ROM is still 2GB and has plenty of space but I was installing an app and it said insufficient storage?
Thanks
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tykazowsky said:
Why does my system ROM say it only has 324MB of space? It is almost full?
Im running Navalynt's cherryblur? My internal ROM is still 2GB and has plenty of space but I was installing an app and it said insufficient storage?
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..Mine too..
on my HTC Amaze 4G, at least 250 MB ROM memory is needed before the "insufficient memory available" bug appears everytime you install an app. As soon as you move apps to external memory in order to save ROM memory, your apps will start to lose integrity and the whole android experience will suck. HTC Amaze 4G has 2.5 GB ROM in total, apparently HTC one S has ~2.2 GB ROM in total but with the same number of apps, one S can achieve 1.8 GB free ROM memory. Correct me if I'm wrong, One series users. There must be something wrong with Amaze's ROM memory utilisation.
otivaeey said:
on my HTC Amaze 4G, at least 250 MB ROM memory is needed before the "insufficient memory available" bug appears everytime you install an app. As soon as you move apps to external memory in order to save ROM memory, your apps will start to lose integrity and the whole android experience will suck. HTC Amaze 4G has 2.5 GB ROM in total, apparently HTC one S has ~2.2 GB ROM in total but with the same number of apps, one S can achieve 1.8 GB free ROM memory. Correct me if I'm wrong, One series users. There must be something wrong with Amaze's ROM memory utilisation.
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Wrong manufacturer, wrong phone model, wrong forum!!!
Uh, so yeah. Pretty sure I'm missing a pretty big chunk of my storage space. I currently have the Nexus 4.4.4 ROM flashed, and I'm only showing about 11 gigs of total storage space, with approximately 6 gigs available. I thought I had removed all of the rom slots in Safestrap awhile back, but perhaps not. I have no backups saved either, according to TWRP.
Is there anyway to determine where this other ~5 gigs of space is tied up, like a partition?
Thanks in advance.
PariahNine said:
Uh, so yeah. Pretty sure I'm missing a pretty big chunk of my storage space. I currently have the Nexus 4.4.4 ROM flashed, and I'm only showing about 11 gigs of total storage space, with approximately 6 gigs available. I thought I had removed all of the rom slots in Safestrap awhile back, but perhaps not. I have no backups saved either, according to TWRP.
Is there anyway to determine where this other ~5 gigs of space is tied up, like a partition?
Thanks in advance.
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Nexus rom will show ~11.4Gb total on a 16Gb device. The balance is a fixed allocation (partition) used for system files and can not be easily adjusted. The values will be similar for CM11 and FireOS.
Sounds like storage allocations are as they should be assuming it's a 16Gb model.