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Last week on a business trip to Rome, my XDA got stolen..
Offcourse I had it blocked as soon as possible and have password protection on it, but resetting it would make it usable for anyone.
If anyone sees a secondhand XDA for sale from Italy (where they are not sold) please remember me....
IMEI: 350312010049224
S/N : HT220CC15367
P/N : 99HJ00007-00
So... when is this new model XDA comming on the market?!
We thought of a program to stick into ROM which would, after cold-boot, send one SMS to a pre-determined number. Could be a friend's number, or possibly even a web-service, where you can look up all the phone numbers of all SIMs ever in that phone at cold-boot. You could even wait a few days to see if the owner field was ever filled out...
Please go into that, as I will buy an XDA again but feel quite bad about this one stolen and would very much want something to have a little more protection/means of getting it back.
I saw an advertisement on www.thinkgeek.com about a software that would automatically send emails with IP adresses when a stolen laptop is connected to internet.
Something like that could possibly be an option in a theft-recovery program?
Thanks,
Lx
Great idea XDA developer Peter Poelman...you guys should definitly do that!!
XDA developer Peter Poelman, that is one of the best ideas I have heard of!! If there were a server you could register your XDA on, then install the 'tracking' software it would be very cool.
Would it even be possible to get a fix on the location by picking up the nodes that the XDA is near? Effectively your XDA would text you its location, name of the new owner and new number to server where you could pickup the info. Hay-presto, you can inform the provider and authorities and maybe even get it back. I bet you could even sell the software to the providers!!
Gil.
Hold on guys, if you developed such a ROM, it should be clearly stated that it is doing that. I can imagine, if people started offering ROMS, that made unsolicited calls to premium rate numbers, that would be a great, and illegal, business venture.
Anything, that works behind the scenes must be clearly highlighted if trust is to be maintained in a public community
Sounds good though. If i could find all the people that have stolen bits and pieces from me, revenge would be sweet!
I guess that watching out for ROMs that have spy-wearz or nasty apps in the background ARE possible, there could be something about now. Let’s face it the ROM tool is not that hard to understand. And if someone was really that nasty they could make a lot of money in a very short period. After all a premium rate text number has no price cap. But lets not get in to that right now.
The answer to this, like a lot of things in IT is A trust in the developer, B trust that is has not been hackled – as above and C you have noting to hide.
The provider can already see al the calls and text that the sent from your phone. So the only thing for them to see would be your ROM version.
If this was made a voluntary process and secure I can see it doing a lot more good than harm.
Also another though on the spy wear bit, it would be good to have an app that watches the activity on you device and allow you to see it.
Sorry for the rant, Gil.
Oh yeah, we've thought of nasty things one could do. Possibly more scary still: if you have this Action Engine framework, someone holding a private key somewhere can remotely update your ROM, without telling you.
perhaps thats how o2 intended to upgrade in the future?
is it easy to place the AE exe file back onto the xda? its just the one file right?
No, it's a whole bunch of files. They were installed from the operator section of the ROM, though AutoConfig.exe, into device RAM.
I'm not really into the programming stuff, but I was just thinking...
If such a thing was to be implemented, you would not want it to be active until your device actually got lost. So how do you tell your device (that probably has a different SIM card in it) that it should start to broadcast it's location and new SIM information? And where to?
I was thinking of a site where you should register, very securely and only upon activating the 'tracking' program from this secure site that a constantly updated log file of all nodes where the device is connected to a GSM/GPRS network would state the deveice's location.
With this list (and possibly the information of the new SIM card) it should definatly be possible to retrieve the device, with collaboration from the provider/authorities ofcourse.
Also I heard a provider can locate any GSM down to 5meters accuratly when the phone is being used, about 100 meters when the device is on stand-by. Don't know for shure if this is true though.
If things like these could be incorporated, this would be the best software/ROM update ever to be made in my opinion. If there is any way in wich I could be of any help I would gladly be of service!
Two complimentary options would be:
the XDA sends a message to a server whenever the SIM card is changed, unless you enter a particular password first.
Send a specifically crafted sms to the XDA that causes it to realize that it is stolen. This starts it sending location info to the server.
I think you could switch XDA in to stolen mode using a broadcast directly to the PIN on the phone. This is how P2P works in the US instead of SMS. This could be done from a web site and the user of the stolen phone would not know until it was too late.
But then again I may be wrong?
Gil.
this is all good and well, but there will be always someone out there that says this is a privacy thing and they do not want people knowing where they are using their XDA
What should be developed is a Rom that once the owner name has changed, the XDA will then send a message to a server(if the XDA is registered) informing of the new number of the inserted SIM, the IMEI number and all other numbers/contacts straight to your provider. they then contact the new provider for information on the new owner. send the bissies round and reclaim your XDA.
this would be big money to phone service providers as it would reduce the amount of insuance claims and hastle.
if it can be done, then I will be buying it (once i own the XDA !!)
cheets
Hello all,
I have been reading the different boards and there was a very interesting discussion taking place in the "developers corner". Apparrently, they have found a way to put a call into the radio stack of the xda and have it return values which correspond to cell site position ( both the cell site identifiers and their approximate distance from it).
I was wondering if this means that we may find ourselves with an application that can give us positioning?
Thanks for your help.
Gene
Gene_uk said:
Hello all,
I have been reading the different boards and there was a very interesting discussion taking place in the "developers corner". Apparrently, they have found a way to put a call into the radio stack of the xda and have it return values which correspond to cell site position ( both the cell site identifiers and their approximate distance from it).
I was wondering if this means that we may find ourselves with an application that can give us positioning?
Thanks for your help.
Gene
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Gene,
Yeah, I'm interested in that as well but having a few issues. A lot of the samples of getting the Cell ID are in C/C++, pre-compiled apps, or from the bootloader. Seeing as I'm not C savvy, I'm having a tough time trying to get it to work in eVB [Not that I have much time anyway at the moment].
I read ages ago, on the sourceo2 newsgroups, that O2 [UK] won't release the information on Cell locations. Well, they will but only subsets and only for a price. I then noticed that a mate of mine recently got a camera phone Nokia 7xxx or something. Anyway, he had this Java proggy that told him the ID of the Cell and Area he was in. It got me thinking of writing my own app for the XDA.
His proggy was pretty cool actually. It allows the user to set up events depending on when you are entering or leaving a cell. One use of it, is to automatically switch the phone to silent when entering the area of a cinema. Or as he put it, welcoming you home, when you get to a cell near your house. The mad thing
Basically I was thinking or writing an App initially with two functions. The first would be that it can recognise the Cell ID and allow you to input the general location of where you are. As the Cell ID changes, the app would prompt for a new location description.
The second function would be to display your location if it is already in the database.
The idea would be that I would make it freely available and have a central place wheer users can upload their databases to be merged together and made available to others.
I was also thinking that it might be a little ambitious as I don't think that there are a hell of a lot of users out there with the proper hardware and the will to comit to this project. Thereby, the location information would be limited but I might do it anyway, if I can sort out the reading of the Cell ID. Just a little pet project I wanted to do for teh past month or two.
If anyone can help witha bit of eVB code for reading the Cell ID, I'd be much obliged.
Regards
Keith Burke
Ireland
HI,
I used to have an XDA/Walaby but I lost it.
I posted a topic about making an option in the rom for the device to send it's network position for it to be retrievable.
Now that I've got a MDA II / Hymalaya I am wodnering if this is something that can be done for this devide.
I'm sorry but I'm no expert programmer, just a regular user with little in-depth knowledge, so please forgive me for my bad explenation and terms.
What I was thinking about having something built into the bootrom that would check a certain website everytime it connects with GPRS or WIFI to the internet.
Hidden and 'in stealth' ofcourse, without knowing of the 'new' owner.
On this website there would be a code, normally stating 'green' meaning the devide is in good hands.
When the device is lost or stolen, the original user change this code to 'red' by a password protected email, login/change setting or something like that.
When the devide connects to the site and finds it's code turned to 'red'it should send a log file with information on witch netwerk point it is connected, WiFi point, Current SIM (plus mobile number and owner-) information and so on.
Maybe it's even possible with just SMS messages so the devide doesn't even has to connect ot the internet but a normal GSM signal would do.
With all this information it should be possible to go to the authorities and get the device back, or atleast give prove of theft for insurance purposes.
And since this function should run from the bootrom, a normal update would not affect it's functionality.
Again, I am absolutely no programmer but I would really like to see if people find this an interesting feature. I would be more than happy to assist in anyway possible in developing.
Greetz,
Lx
Interesting idea
You may be interested in this also: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/wiki/IIWPO
Yeah, that was the thread that came after I wondered about retrieval options for my XDA.
I will be testing IIWPO asap.
Still I think a lot more information could/should be send, especially since insurance companies won't do anything unless you have 'prove'of theft.
Someone else's SIM info and wherabouts seem hard to dismiss in a theft-quiry.
Maybe someone could give some comment on this?
A couple of posters have asked about rooting the Aluratek Cinepad tablet
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1312927&page=70
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1605509&page=26
Granted that they inserted their queries into on-going threads. And also granted that they probably blew right past the video and this form’s norms when they registered. But no one even attempted to help them. Their questions were simply ignored.
This Aluratek (same folks who did the Libre for Boarders) is a rebranded Chinese tablet. Or perhaps being kinder to Aluratek you could say they spec’s a tablet and had it manufactured in China becuasue there are a few differences between the Cinepad and what is sold in China.
This tablet is currently being sold by Newegg, Tiger Direct, Walmart, Sears, Barnes and Noble, Amazon, etc. So this forum is likely to see an increasing number of questions about them
It appears that rooting the Cinepad may be as simple as running the program Unlock Root against it. (free at http://www.unlockroot.com/)
The base tablet that Aluratek modified slightly to come up with the Cinepad is the Yongxiang company’s YX 10A03. The 10” Aluraek lists its Model number (Settings->About Tablet) as YX 10A03 and shows a build number of ics.f33ref.20120329.
The Unlock Root website lists as tested devices two unbranded MID tablets both with model numbers of YX 10A03 and both with build numbers of ics.f33ref.20120XXX – within a few hundred of the Cinepad build.
I would be quite surprised if Unlock Root did not do the trick
bardell3600 said:
A couple of posters have asked about rooting the Aluratek Cinepad tablet
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1312927&page=70
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1605509&page=26
Granted that they inserted their queries into on-going threads. And also granted that they probably blew right past the video and this form’s norms when they registered. But no one even attempted to help them. Their questions were simply ignored.
This Aluratek (same folks who did the Libre for Boarders) is a rebranded Chinese tablet. Or perhaps being kinder to Aluratek you could say they spec’s a tablet and had it manufactured in China becuasue there are a few differences between the Cinepad and what is sold in China.
This tablet is currently being sold by Newegg, Tiger Direct, Walmart, Sears, Barnes and Noble, Amazon, etc. So this forum is likely to see an increasing number of questions about them
It appears that rooting the Cinepad may be as simple as running the program Unlock Root against it. (free at http://www.unlockroot.com/)
The base tablet that Aluratek modified slightly to come up with the Cinepad is the Yongxiang company’s YX 10A03. The 10” Aluraek lists its Model number (Settings->About Tablet) as YX 10A03 and shows a build number of ics.f33ref.20120329.
The Unlock Root website lists as tested devices two unbranded MID tablets both with model numbers of YX 10A03 and both with build numbers of ics.f33ref.20120XXX – within a few hundred of the Cinepad build.
I would be quite surprised if Unlock Root did not do the trick
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i have a at110f and unlock root doesnt work and nether does superoneclick.
bardell3600 said:
A couple of posters have asked about rooting the Aluratek Cinepad tablet
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1312927&page=70
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1605509&page=26
Granted that they inserted their queries into on-going threads. And also granted that they probably blew right past the video and this form’s norms when they registered. But no one even attempted to help them. Their questions were simply ignored.
This Aluratek (same folks who did the Libre for Boarders) is a rebranded Chinese tablet. Or perhaps being kinder to Aluratek you could say they spec’s a tablet and had it manufactured in China becuasue there are a few differences between the Cinepad and what is sold in China.
This tablet is currently being sold by Newegg, Tiger Direct, Walmart, Sears, Barnes and Noble, Amazon, etc. So this forum is likely to see an increasing number of questions about them
It appears that rooting the Cinepad may be as simple as running the program Unlock Root against it. (free at http://www.unlockroot.com/)
The base tablet that Aluratek modified slightly to come up with the Cinepad is the Yongxiang company’s YX 10A03. The 10” Aluraek lists its Model number (Settings->About Tablet) as YX 10A03 and shows a build number of ics.f33ref.20120329.
The Unlock Root website lists as tested devices two unbranded MID tablets both with model numbers of YX 10A03 and both with build numbers of ics.f33ref.20120XXX – within a few hundred of the Cinepad build.
I would be quite surprised if Unlock Root did not do the trick
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The standard one click root tools arwn´t working for the BUILD ics.f33ref.20120409.
It took me a couple of weeks to find the ZhuoDaShi Tool at tabletrepublic.com/forum/downloads.php?do=file&id=145
it worked for me.
USE AT OWN RISK!
SerialQ said:
The standard one click root tools arwn´t working for the BUILD ics.f33ref.20120409.
It took me a couple of weeks to find the ZhuoDaShi Tool at tabletrepublic.com/forum/downloads.php?do=file&id=145
it worked for me.
USE AT OWN RISK!
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I was hoping that someone would have a try at a custom rooted rom actually, because the firmware that Aluratek provides is basically unstable. I won mine from Quibids, and before the first week it had lost its mount points for the internal sdcard and of course my external sdcard. They provided me with a beta firmware that fixed that, but before I could really test it, the power button broke from the board. I sent it back, and here about 2 months later I now have a replacement tablet (definitely not the same unit). I find that the firmware on it matches the beta they had me flash the first tablet with, however this thing is definitely unstable. They told me it would have video issues, and in fact the Youtube app (no version I have it seems) will work on the thing. Well... long story made short, I am about to reflash the thing for about the 7th time tomorrow. It likes getting into boot loops for no discernible reason, and then seemingly comes out of them (sometimes) for some unknown reason also. It frustrates me to no end to have to reboot it, but it is necessary at times since it loses mountpoints for the sdcards just like the first one did originally from time to time. Rebooting it clears it up... that is unless it decides to start looping. Its kind of like a slot machine... never know when it will win or lose.
I am not complaining. I won it at a good price off of Quibids... and Quibids very generously provided me with an Archos 80 G9 to replace it... even though they knew that Aluratek would get around to sending me a replacement... eventually. So, no complaints here. But, it has become kind of a challenge for me. Its kind of hard to believe that the Archos and the Aluratek retails for about the same... since there really is no comparison in quality and stability. I have become an Archos and a Quibids fan.
Rooting it alone is not enough... the firmware itself is unstable. I wish I could find something that was halfway stable because I think it will be some months before Aluratek gets something past beta. It is actually not that bad of a tablet and this firmware gives it a lot of memory to work with. It has beautiful video and bright colors and a pretty good resolution. It has a mixture of good to average hardware, but not really what I would call cheap really. The problem is the firmware mostly... and a very badly designed power button that will break off very easily if you aren't really careful. I mean, it has built-in bluetooth... its not a bad deal if it would just be stable.
I was hoping that someone more experienced than I am would take the challenge since so many of these are being sold right now. I am only now becoming more familiar with the inner workings of Android. I have a fair amount of hardware and software experience mainly in PC's, but until this year have never gotten into Android. Now, I somehow have 4 tablets all different sizes and brands, and each have their own points and quirks. The Aluratek is the quirkiest. If anyone knows of a custom "stable" firmware for this tablet, I would appreciate the help. Thanks.
Thank you SerialQ
SerialQ said:
The standard one click root tools arwn´t working for the BUILD ics.f33ref.20120409.
It took me a couple of weeks to find the ZhuoDaShi Tool at tabletrepublic.com/forum/downloads.php?do=file&id=145
it worked for me.
USE AT OWN RISK!
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Rooting the Aluratek Cinepad brought such a dramatic change in making it stable for the first time, I just had to come back here and thank you for the tip on this Chinese program. It is a "tad" confusing since it mostly Chinese (outside of the word ROOT - pretty self-explanatory), and had a little trouble since the thing shut down at one of the reboots instead of rebooting. I found another set of instructions that said you have to let it reboot 3 times before it is finished. I had to help it by pushing the reset on the 3rd boot and then starting it, but it worked and now the tablet is sound and zooming right along. I have a presentation tomorrow and I am thinking of using it instead of my Archos.
Thanks once again... that was a great help to me.
firestorm005 said:
Rooting the Aluratek Cinepad brought such a dramatic change in making it stable for the first time, I just had to come back here and thank you for the tip on this Chinese program. It is a "tad" confusing since it mostly Chinese (outside of the word ROOT - pretty self-explanatory), and had a little trouble since the thing shut down at one of the reboots instead of rebooting. I found another set of instructions that said you have to let it reboot 3 times before it is finished. I had to help it by pushing the reset on the 3rd boot and then starting it, but it worked and now the tablet is sound and zooming right along. I have a presentation tomorrow and I am thinking of using it instead of my Archos.
Thanks once again... that was a great help to me.
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Hi firesorm005,
i´m really glad that i was able to help you. In fact i had the same issues (including the broken powerbutton) with my yx 10a03.
since i rooted the device it is also running, except of the WIFI, stabel now.
If you like, you can try some build.prop tweaks to give the device more perfomance and optmize the power-savings.
you can find many tutorials when you google for it.
Use them with care and as always at own risk
have fun
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I have an Aluratek Cinepad 7"
I got my Win7 machine to recognize the tablet, but Unlock Root couldn't ever find it (tried all 3 types of USB connections).
Then I tried ZhuoDaShi Tool, but the screenshots at the techrepublic link were different from the app (looked like the same app, but different version). I clicked every button on the app, but wasn't able to find one that would lead to actually doing something to the tablet.
Anyone have any new ideas?
Aluratek Cinepad AT108F
So, I just bought this tab and it'll be here on Friday compliments of J&R by way of Amazon. It hasn't any ratings (probably because it's new) and I don't see ANY threads for ROMs for this model or ANY Aluratek model for that matter.
The specs are INCREDIBLE for this price point and PERFECT for my tablet needs/desires. However, I'm quite concerned about the lack of dev support. While I know this model won't EVER be a highly purchased item because of the off-brand, it does have a common A9 Cortex processor that many other higher-end tablets are outfitted with. I must be looking in the wrong places. Does anyone have any links to share?
aluratek cinepad At110f
thewinelover said:
So, I just bought this tab and it'll be here on Friday compliments of J&R by way of Amazon. It hasn't any ratings (probably because it's new) and I don't see ANY threads for ROMs for this model or ANY Aluratek model for that matter.
The specs are INCREDIBLE for this price point and PERFECT for my tablet needs/desires. However, I'm quite concerned about the lack of dev support. While I know this model won't EVER be a highly purchased item because of the off-brand, it does have a common A9 Cortex processor that many other higher-end tablets are outfitted with. I must be looking in the wrong places. Does anyone have any links to share?
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I managed to root my AT110f using Rootburner-v0.2, using the second advanced option. When the program wants to reboot the screen goes black and will not come back on, you have to press the reset button first as the power button is dead. (you have to do this 3 times on the rootburner app)
My Tablet is now fully rooted.:good:
No USB connection workaround
thedrill said:
I managed to root my AT110f using Rootburner-v0.2, using the second advanced option. When the program wants to reboot the screen goes black and will not come back on, you have to press the reset button first as the power button is dead. (you have to do this 3 times on the rootburner app)
My Tablet is now fully rooted.:good:
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For those who cannot connect to a PC via USB I was able to connect to my AT107F by using PDAnet and then root it.
Hi guys,
I feel as I've done something really stupid in flashing my UK Samsung S3 and I don't understand what or how the hell happened....
Two days ago, I successfully rooted my i9300, installed some root apps, applied triangle away and all seemed well.
Yesterday, without taking heed of the warning in Chainsaw 3D, I (very stupidly) installed the drivers for Chainsaw 3D and promptly bricked my phone
After a little research on YouTube, I found a site that seemed good to unbrick my S3 (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/4...ndroid412-xxemd3-jellybean-update-install.htm). I followed all the steps there, downloaded the firmware from the link there, flashed my phone with Odin 3 and my S3 seemed to be successfully unbricked and good to go.,,,,,,but not so.
After flashing the Jellybean 4.1.2 ROM from the link on the above site, I rooted the phone again, and that seemed to go successfully again, but
now, when I turn it on, and after the Samsung logo has finished swirling, every time it says Android is updating and after that, the home screen appears but it says 'Emergency calls only" (I have tried a couple of different SIMS, and the phone recognizes each SIM card, but it can't seem to connect to any network, such as Vodaphone or O2.
I have tried fixing it with KIES but KIES states that my phone firmware is no compatible with KIES upgrades (???); but the thing that worries me most is that it appears my S3's IMEI number has totally changed with WAY too many zeros in it (how is this so???? I'm completely baffled)
If any of you guys can help with these problems, I'd be eternally grateful, especially the IMEI problem, thanks. Is there a way to fix these problems without wiping all my data? The S3 still has a month's warranty left on it, but I'm kinda worried this time, Samsung will say I've voided my warranty somehow.
NB. My S3 has never been locked to any network.
Did you back up your efs folder before you broke it? If not then you can only try flashing the latest stock rom from sammobile, this might enable the efs folder to be read, but if it's corrupt then you'll pay for a new motherboard.
boomboomer said:
Did you back up your efs folder before you broke it? If not then you can only try flashing the latest stock rom from sammobile, this might enable the efs folder to be read, but if it's corrupt then you'll pay for a new motherboard.
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Unfortunately, no, as I had no idea I needed to back up the efs folder first. Could you please point me in the direction of the latest stock ROM that I'd need?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1646610
Good idea to read the stickies over in general forum before flashing anything.
boomboomer said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1646610
Good idea to read the stickies over in general forum before flashing anything.
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Yes, my bad and you're totally right, I'm just not having a good day, Thanks for the link (it's the one I thought I'd need).
Right now, my S3 thinks it's an Iphone with this IMEI....weird!
As an afterthought, may I ask you if fixing my IMEI back to its original would be simpler, safer and quicker if I used 'Universalbox Extended v1.08'?
The last time I bricked my 'rooted' S3 6 months ago, Samsung fixed it under warranty here in the UK with absolutely no quibbles at all, even sent me a new USB cable.....nice of 'em
No.
1) MG4 Baseband doesn't break your imei. It simply changes the format of efs to a new format that older basebands cant read. Its stick with mg4 baseband or restore efs backup from previous
2) altering your imei is illegal so discussion if this is not allowed here.
Please read the imei thread in general > sticky roll-up thread
Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 4
No idea, discussion of such devices is banned on xda -attempting to amend the imei number carries a 5 year prison sentence in the UK.
boomboomer said:
No idea, discussion of such devices is banned on xda -attempting to amend the imei number carries a 5 year prison sentence in the UK.
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Sorry, didn't know, I read all about that on another legitimate forum, where no mention of it being illegal was mentioned. All I'm trying to do is fix my phone, not try British prison food.
To use kies, without your phone connected, try going to emergency firmware recovery and typing in your serial number, follow the instructions after that.
I believe the laws regarding IMEI is that you cannot change it from the original. I am not sure if restoring would be illegal, but I am no legal expert. I know here in China it is also illegal to change your IMEI, but if I had an issue I could get it back to original at a shop for about 10-20 pounds (or just restore my EFS backup ).
Typing in my serial number or IMEI in Kies? Yes, I could understand if someone was asking about modifying or changing an IMEI for dodgy or illegal purposes, such as with a stolen phone, but to think of there being the threat of a 5 years stretch in jail for trying to legitimately try to fix ones own phone seems a bit far-fetched by my reckoning, but if discussing such matters here are forbidden then rules are rules and who am I to say any different?
I've already downloaded the official firmware mentioned in the above post and will try flashing with that later today, and see how it goes.
Also, it seems pretty unbelievable to me that one corrupt folder would require me forking out for a new mobo.....just seems like scaremongering.
Thanks again for all the help and advice.
It is the upgrade and initialization option and it asks for serial.
I don't believe it's an offence to reinstate the original imei, but the same equipment and process can be used to change imei on stolen handsets -hence why discussion is banned. Even possessing the equipment to modify the number is an offense in the UK:
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2002/31/section/2
Samsung make their handsets with a very open format, great for modding but also very easy to destroy in the process. This is why all the guides here have 'backup your efs folder' as the first instruction.
boomboomer said:
I don't believe it's an offence to reinstate the original imei, but the same equipment and process can be used to change imei on stolen handsets -hence why discussion is banned. Even possessing the equipment to modify the number is an offense in the UK:
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2002/31/section/2
Samsung make their handsets with a very open format, great for modding but also very easy to destroy in the process. This is why all the guides here have 'backup your efs folder' as the first instruction.
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That's what happens when I jump in feet first <g> Must make a note to read important instructions in the future.
Thanks for making it clear Boom2. Ignorance is bliss until it becomes illegal
"Even possessing the equipment to modify the number is an offense in the UK:" I didn't even realise specific hardware was needed......I was under the impression it could all be done with the program I asked about earlier (?) (although I have no intention of using that now).
boomboomer said:
I don't believe it's an offence to reinstate the original imei, but the same equipment and process can be used to change imei on stolen handsets -hence why discussion is banned. Even possessing the equipment to modify the number is an offense in the UK:
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2002/31/section/2
Samsung make their handsets with a very open format, great for modding but also very easy to destroy in the process. This is why all the guides here have 'backup your efs folder' as the first instruction.
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I hadn't read the actual legislation and have to say it's likely (only in my opinion) that recovering the original IMEI is probably not an offence in the UK....based upon.....
2 Possession or supply of anything for re-programming purposes
(1)A person commits an offence if—
(a)he has in his custody or under his control anything which may be used for the purpose of changing or interfering with the operation of a unique device identifier, and
(b)he intends to use the thing unlawfully for that purpose or to allow it to be used unlawfully for that purpose.
(2)A person commits an offence if—
(a)he supplies anything which may be used for the purpose of changing or interfering with the operation of a unique device identifier, and
(b)he knows or believes that the person to whom the thing is supplied intends to use it unlawfully for that purpose or to allow it to be used unlawfully for that purpose.
(3)A person commits an offence if—
(a)he offers to supply anything which may be used for the purpose of changing or interfering with the operation of a unique device identifier, and
(b)he knows or believes that the person to whom the thing is offered intends if it is supplied to him to use it unlawfully for that purpose or to allow it to be used unlawfully for that purpose.
(4)A unique device identifier is an electronic equipment identifier which is unique to a mobile wireless communications device.
(5)A thing is used by a person unlawfully for a purpose if in using it for that purpose he commits an offence under section 1.
(6)A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable—
(a)on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum or to both, or
(b)on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years or to a fine or to both.
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1(b) states "....Unlawfully....", I'm sure a good brief would argue, probably successfully, that recovering the original IMEI was not an unlawful act but instead an attempt to recover the unit to it's original and correct identifier.
For the avoidance of doubt i'm not proposing or advocating doing it, just discussing legal semantics.
pinsb said:
(1)A person commits an offence if—
(a)he has in his custody or under his control anything which may be used for the purpose of changing or interfering with the operation of a unique device identifier, and
(b)he intends to use the thing unlawfully for that purpose or to allow it to be used unlawfully for that purpose.
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Its a tricky one... to me this defines "changing or interfering" as separate actions. If interfering doesn't mean changing, it would be my assumption that rewriting the original IMEI would be classed as interfering. It would be much clearer if it said:
he has in his custody or under his control anything which may be used for the purpose of changing, interfering or tinkering
pinsb said:
1(b) states "....Unlawfully....", I'm sure a good brief would argue, probably successfully, that recovering the original IMEI was not an unlawful act but instead an attempt to recover the unit to it's original and correct identifier.
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Nah, it basically says...
You are breaking the law if you
a) have a device that can change or interfer with an IMEI
AND
b) you plan to use it
The word "unlawfully" can actually be dropped completely from that statement. So if all falls back on the definition of interfering. See:
(5)A thing is used by a person unlawfully for a purpose if in using it for that purpose he commits an offence under section 1.
My personal belief after reading this is it is illegal to modify anything regarding the IMEI and being in possession of equipment with the intention of doing this is an offence
rootSU said:
Its a tricky one... to me this defines "changing or interfering" as separate actions. If interfering doesn't mean changing, it would be my assumption that rewriting the original IMEI would be classed as interfering. It would be much clearer if it said:
he has in his custody or under his control anything which may be used for the purpose of changing, interfering or tinkering
Nah, it basically says...
You are breaking the law if you
a) have a device that can change or interfer with an IMEI
AND
b) you plan to use it
The word "unlawfully" can actually be dropped completely from that statement. So if all falls back on the definition of interfering.
My personal belief after reading this is it is illegal to modify anything regarding the IMEI and being in possession of equipment with the intention of doing this is an offence
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I know we could too and fro on this, but....
The wording is specific.....
(b)he intends to use the thing unlawfully for that purpose or to allow it to be used unlawfully for that purpose.
I stand by my original view that a good brief would argue restoration is not unlawful, he may not win but I'd be interested to see a judge not allow the argument.....my guess is the CPS wouldn't want to test it in court unless someone was doing it on a commercial scale anyway.
As I've found in the past, ask two lawyers the same question and you'll get three opinions, plus yours making four!!
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RootSU
On an unrelated matter I thought you'd get a kick out of this regarding your sig.
In 2003, lecturers and students from the University of Plymouth MediaLab Arts course used a £2,000 grant from the Arts Council to study the literary output of real monkeys. They left a computer keyboard in the enclosure of six Celebes Crested Macaques in Paignton Zoo in Devon in England for a month, with a radio link to broadcast the results on a website.
Not only did the monkeys produce nothing but five pages consisting largely of the letter S, the lead male began by bashing the keyboard with a stone, and the monkeys continued by urinating and defecating on it. Phillips said that the artist-funded project was primarily performance art, and they had learned "an awful lot" from it. He concluded that monkeys "are not random generators. They're more complex than that. ... They were quite interested in the screen, and they saw that when they typed a letter, something happened. There was a level of intention there."
Hmmmmm......good to know!
I thought it was an infinite number of Monkeys anyway?
pinsb said:
I know we could too and fro on this, but....
The wording is specific.....
(b)he intends to use the thing unlawfully for that purpose or to allow it to be used unlawfully for that purpose.
I stand by my original view that a good brief would argue restoration is not unlawful, he may not win but I'd be interested to see a judge not allow the argument.....my guess is the CPS wouldn't want to test it in court unless someone was doing it on a commercial scale anyway.
As I've found in the past, ask two lawyers the same question and you'll get three opinions, plus yours making four!!
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Yes we could to and fro, but just one last point to clarify what I mean.
(1)A person commits an offence if—
(a)he has in his custody or under his control anything which may be used for the purpose of changing or interfering with the operation of a unique device identifier, and
(b)he intends to use the thing unlawfully for that purpose or to allow it to be used unlawfully for that purpose.
(5)A thing is used by a person unlawfully for a purpose if in using it for that purpose he commits an offence under section 1.
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The word unlawfully is superfluous as per (5) which defines the word unlawfully as using it for a purpose that is unlawful. ...and as per 1a, changing or interfering with an IMEI is unlawful, so using the equipment to interfere with an IMEI, even if its restoring the original, is unlawful.
If a lawyer needs to argue any point, its not 1B, rather it's 1A. They must prove that restoring the original IMEI is not interfering. If they prove that, then B is irrelevant because the purpose is no longer unlawful.
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pinsb said:
On an unrelated matter I thought you'd get a kick out of this regarding your sig.
In 2003, lecturers and students from the University of Plymouth MediaLab Arts course used a £2,000 grant from the Arts Council to study the literary output of real monkeys. They left a computer keyboard in the enclosure of six Celebes Crested Macaques in Paignton Zoo in Devon in England for a month, with a radio link to broadcast the results on a website.
Not only did the monkeys produce nothing but five pages consisting largely of the letter S, the lead male began by bashing the keyboard with a stone, and the monkeys continued by urinating and defecating on it. Phillips said that the artist-funded project was primarily performance art, and they had learned "an awful lot" from it. He concluded that monkeys "are not random generators. They're more complex than that. ... They were quite interested in the screen, and they saw that when they typed a letter, something happened. There was a level of intention there."
Hmmmmm......good to know!
I thought it was an infinite number of Monkeys anyway?
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Haha brilliant.
Yes it was an infinite number of monkeys originally...
Hmm, you guys are discussing changing imei numbers - Moderator!
Also, what's the fee for advice to the OP?
boomboomer said:
Hmm, you guys are discussing changing imei numbers - Moderator!
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Good point. Whether it's illegal or not in the UK, it is in other countries so discussion is banned.