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I'd be interested in what other see when you put the attached on your phone and view it. Just drop the mpo file on the sd card under DCIM\100MEDIA and then view it via the gallery. Turn the phone landscape with the capacitive buttons on the right. When you hold the phone as you would to view any 3D image, you should be able to close one eye at a time and see two different images. If the phone has perfect separation, you'd see the word LEFT with only your left eye open and RIGHT with only the right eye open. But inevitably, you'll probably be able to see a faint ghost of the "wrong" word too ("LEFT" in the right eye or "RIGHT" in the left eye).
How much crosstalk do you see? I see a faint ghost of the "wrong" word indicating there is some crosstalk or ghosting but it's really pretty good separation. The ghosting on mine is pretty faint but I can still see the wrong (ghosted) word in each eye. The interesting thing is, on my phone, the amount of ghosting varies. On mine, the "T" in "RIGHT" is the darkest/worst.
I'm just wondering how much variation there is in our screens and if some are better than others. Be sure to close one eye at a time and fine tune the angle of the phone so you can get the best angle with the minimum possible ghosting.
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Worked for me. I don't see the opposite with either eye closed. Pretty cool how that works. No ghosting at all.
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Hmm. Ended up being pretty easy to take a picture of what I see through my left eye. Just use a camera and move to the left of center while looking through the viewfinder until the ghosted word is as dim as possible and take a picture. This is what mine looks like.
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I Also don't see the opposite with either eye closed. Is cool indeed but wouldn't it just matter how your holding your phone ? If i slightly tilt it with one eye closed then i start to see the opposite word.
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I Also don't see the opposite with either eye closed. Is cool indeed but wouldn't it just matter how your holding your phone ? If i slightly tilt it with one eye closed then i start to see the opposite word.
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The key is to tilt the phone back and forth while closing one eye at a time so that you get the minimum amount of ghosting at one particular tilt: that's the best you'll be able to do with a real 3D image. Distance from your eyes also does make a difference so you kinda have to play with it.
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Oh Lord. I hope this thread doesn't end up spawning another group of returns/exchanges. I just tested this on my wife's 3vo. Hers has a crooked screen and it doesn't show a trace of ghosting under the exact same conditions and brightness! Mine (with a straight screen) shows the ghosting problem. Not only that, hers keeps good separation through a much wider range of angles! Mine fluctuates a lot and it is VERY picky WRT angle. Completely different than hers.
One reason I tried this is that I've always felt that my first 3vo, one with a crooked screen, had better 3D depth and my new one with the straight screen just didn't have the same depth. Now I know why. I guess with these screens you either get a crooked screen or bad 3D. Wonder if there are any out there that have both a straight screen and good 3D? Both phones are HT16 serial numbers and 0002 hardware so they should have the same screen, right? If so, there seems to be some variation in how well the 3D works on these screens.
Mike
I guess I need to change my name. From this point forward you shall all refer to me as Ima. Ima Weetodd.
I looked through the 3D samples and the one with the river, rocks, and the mountains in the background looked especially bad. You could see ghosts of the rocks on either side and it really ruined the 3D effect. The Garfield 3D trailer from YouTube looked horrible too: hard to even resolve a single image. Visions of me going back to the Sprint store for a second exchange started to enter my mind. Until...
Guess what? I never would have expected this! I cleaned my screen thoroughly and NO ghosting at all now!!! It didn't even look dirty but apparently a thin film of finger grease is all that was needed to cause the ghosting. Apparently there was just enough refraction to cause a decent portion of the wrong side to get through to each eye. I repeated the separation test and looked at the pics/videos again with a clean screen: zero ghosting. Just to be sure I wasn't insane or switching the screen off/on wasn't what caused it, I actually rubbed my hands all over my face and then over the screen until I could see a faint film. I'm not a particularly greasy dude but that's all it tool: ghosts galore came back.
I guess if nothing else, I've learned a dirty screen REALLY affects 3D and if anyone has any question about whether or not their 3D is working properly, the image attached to the OP should serve us well.
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I'm returning mine now I see ghosting
J/k . mine has absolutely no ghosting at all, the screen Has a slight tilt and its horribly dirty right now.
Funny I had at 3d with a strait screen that I return , and I always felt the 3d effect was better on it
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Wow, this is pretty awesome.
Some ghosting for me, not a big deal though i guess
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Something else I noticed. This is proof positive that the phone does support 3D in portrait mode. Bring up the image in portrait and look at it. It is VERY sensitive to angle and there is a little ghosting but at just the right angle, it does work. Holding the phone portrait, only "LEFT" shows to the left eye and "RIGHT" shows to the right eye. If you are off even a fraction of a degree though, you start seeing the words appear in various primary colors as you tilt the phone. At just the right angle (face-on), it does appear to fully support 3D in portrait.
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Have you tried using the wand icon to correct the issue? Mine works perfectly although I do feel I need to hold it with the right side of phone slightly closer to my face rather than straight on.
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EricSS619 said:
Have you tried using the wand icon to correct the issue? Mine works perfectly although I do feel I need to hold it with the right side of phone slightly closer to my face rather than straight on.
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The "Adjust 3D alignment" feature adjusts how far apart the two frames appear via shifting the frames in/out a certain number of pixels. That will have no affect on ghosting: ghosting/crosstalk is an error in the alignment of the two parallax barriers on the screen. That gap/angle is not adjustable.
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The "Adjust 3D alignment" feature adjusts how far apart the two frames appear via shifting the frames in/out a certain number of pixels. That will have no affect on ghosting: ghosting/crosstalk is an error in the alignment of the two parallax barriers on the screen. That gap/angle is not adjustable.
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I've seen ghosting in some pics and was able to fix it buy using that feature. And sometimes in some media I can not get it to go away at all.
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Since I got the phone I noticed that in certain lighting and angles, I can see what appears to be an obtuse angle shape about .75 cm long on the screen. It is definitely not a scratch but appears to be underneath the screen. In most cases you cannot see it and it does not affect the picture, but being the OCD person I am I see it frequently.
I tried to take pictures but I could not replicate the effect...
Would a sprint store replace it for free? Or should I just stop worrying...
EDIT: Managed to snap a picture.
http://i.imgur.com/CY29R.jpg
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Since I got the phone I noticed that in certain lighting and angles, I can see what appears to be an obtuse angle shape about .75 cm long on the screen. It is definitely not a scratch but appears to be underneath the screen. In most cases you cannot see it and it does not affect the picture, but being the OCD person I am I see it frequently.
I tried to take pictures but I could not replicate the effect...
Would a sprint store replace it for free? Or should I just stop worrying...
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huh?... that's really hard to imagine. a pic would help but if that's not possible...
I say if it really bugs you, you paid for it, and if you're still within your 30days give it a shot on taking it back. gotta be happy with what you purchase right? not going to hurt anything by trying.
my screen has two blueish centimeter wide dots that you can only see on a white screen at wide viewing angles, Its killing me.
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my screen has two blueish centimeter wide dots that you can only see on a white screen at wide viewing angles, Its killing me.
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I know right? It seems like such a minor issue but its very annoying...at least yours is only wide viewing angles...you can see my screen defect from pretty much all angles...
i have OCD as well..Only thing that will make this better is time..with in my 1st 2 days of having the phone i got dust under the screen and was very upset and wanted to return the device.Eventually i got over it and then I found more specs under the screen and was pissed.
I again,got over it in time and now it doesn't even bother me.I dont see it unless im looking for it and when I do see it i just look passed it.So if you have extreme OCD and do not think you will get over it and you are with in your 30 days then return the device.Just remember something will happen to the new device as well so learn to deal with it or look into getting a device where these things do not happen.(i dont think they exist)
good luck
Damnnnnnn.... I'm sorry but thank God I'm not OCD that's a little freakin spot, I seriously couldn't stop laughing for a while LOL
Playing MGS on my iPad
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Damnnnnnn.... I'm sorry but thank God I'm not OCD that's a little freakin spot, I seriously couldn't stop laughing for a while LOL
Playing MGS on my iPad
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It's actually the width of one of the capacitive buttons...so it can be quite distracting to me
Size:
I've had it for a few weeks now, and I no longer feel the size of it. It almost feels like I might choose an even bigger one next time! But this is definately gonna be my daily driver for the next two years.
The back button is very hard to reach when I've got the phone in my right hand. Left-handed use is good, though.Sits nicely in the pocket of my jeans.
Chassis:
The front is gorgous, almost no bezel at all. I thought I would dislike capacative buttons, but they are no problem. The hole for the front camera is not perfectly aligned.
The back gets quite smudgy.
The power and volume buttons are so petite, they took some getting used to.
I don't like the placement of the audiojack and USB. If the audio was on the bottom I would be able to slip it into my pocket without changing my grip, but no go.
Call quality:
Yup, it's an issue. I'm gonna try to change my grip when I experience it.
Resolution:
Perfect for my eyes. I can not distinguish individual pixels.
Screen:
Very good colours and brightness. Blacks are always poor on LCD's, including this one.
Battery life:
Lasts me two days. Perfect.
I've come to believe that this:
The hole for the front camera is not perfectly aligned
is purposeful. There's some "lip" around the top portion of the hole, probably to help the light pattern in use patterns for front-facing cameras.
Now if you say that your "lip" is around the left, right, or bottom, *then* we have an issue . But I'm guessing yours is on the top also.
This is the first I'm hearing about the camera not being aligned... In practice, it works perfectly, and these things are designed with micrometers or even smaller units of measure: I don't think that misalignment is something that is likely to happen.
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I've come to believe that this:
The hole for the front camera is not perfectly aligned
is purposeful. There's some "lip" around the top portion of the hole, probably to help the light pattern in use patterns for front-facing cameras.
Now if you say that your "lip" is around the left, right, or bottom, *then* we have an issue . But I'm guessing yours is on the top also.
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Yeah, the "lip" as you call it is on top of the hole, so I guess it's the same for everyone, and I'm prolly never gonna use the front camera anyways.
Quick question: is there a way to manage the brightness of Prime's LED flash? Many times it feels much too bright that I'd prefer to use the screen and the front facing cam lol
I don't know of any software that will help you, however you can also just go the old-school method of stacking layers of scotch tape over the flash LED in order to soften it and diffuse some of the brightness.
Just cut small pieces of tape and add them one at a time, taking a test pic between each layer until you get the "setting" you want.
If you use a hole-puncher you can make small discs that would be nearly undetectable when on the device.
If the tape isn't providing enough diffusion you could graduate up to a sheets of white paper, or thin plastic to get the job done.
Instead of using the front camera you can always turn off the flash. Obviously not an ideal solution for your problem but might be helpful for times when the flash is really just completely too bright.
Yeah... it's just the flash has a tendency to ruin great pics, but you can't take the pics at that moment without it.
Example: 3 year old plays in the fireplace when he knows not to. Mom yells at him and he is bursting in tears with black spots covering his face. Completely adorable. Prime in hand, take a shot, and you can't even see the spots because it's that bright.
People feel like I'm visually torching them when I take shots. I have to resort to ninja photographer practices.
But I'm gonna have to try some of the homebrew suggestions. Thx much
Just do a Google search for DIY Flash Diffuser and you will find dozens of ways of making a decent diffuser. Most of them are for people with DSLRs but you can probably adapt some of the techniques for use on the back of a tablet.
https://www.dropbox.com/sc/w3aflekki0thqhj/AABqSYnVucDo-QVQeqYJeb2Ba
Anyone have this wonderful issue? I used my note 8 in the exact manner and no issues. No case on the s9+ or anything that could cause this besides a possible hardware issue or I received a lemon. Please check out your camera's and let me know plz. I hope it's just my phone
Yes! Under certain angels it's unbearable. Even had to check if I left some of the film on there, nope..
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Yes! Under certain angels it's unbearable. Even had to check if I left some of the film on there, nope..
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Thanks for the response. I went back outside to take more pics and I noticed the camera module was very reflective. It was like i was reflecting light with a little mirror. I grabbed my note 8 to see how that module's reflected light. At first i barely saw the reflection. Then i had to really put the phone at a major angle to get a brighter reflection. I think the camera module's aren't positioned correctly or designed correctly to avoid recieving the sun's rays in an improper way which then produces these crazy sun rays in the pics. My pics were taken mid day so the sun was kinda just past it's peak height. I took more pics later on with the sun lower and couldn't recreate the crazy flare. This is a deal breaker for me. Do you plan on keeping yours? I called Samsung and they weren't any help. They told me to return the phone and order another if I wanted.. this sucks
Damn. That's some crazy lens flare. I'm heading to Hawaii next week, and I'll be taking my S9+ (if it shows up on time). I hope the lens flare isn't going to ruin all my pics.
My Note 8 does it at certain angles, I just use my hand as a lens hood on the side that the sun is coming from.
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Damn. That's some crazy lens flare. I'm heading to Hawaii next week, and I'll be taking my S9+ (if it shows up on time). I hope the lens flare isn't going to ruin all my pics.
My Note 8 does it at certain angles, I just use my hand as a lens hood on the side that the sun is coming from.
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Yeah, it's bad. Just communicated with Samsung Support on Twitter and they blamed the dual aperture. Suggested I try different angles and tap to focus. Smh. Guess enough people will have to complain before they realize there's an issue.
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Yeah, it's bad. Just communicate with Samsung Support on Twitter and they blamed the dual aperture. Suggested I try different angles and tap to focus. Smh. Guess enough people will have to complain before they realize there's an issue.
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lol Well, if it is the dual aperture, it's a design/manufacturer flaw.
They basically just fed you the "You're holding it wrong" Apple reply, lol.
Thought it was a rainbow. How did you get it to show? As none of my pics have that but it hasn't been sunny here
Yeah the 1st photo I took outside had lens flare. I'll deal. I got the phone for the stereo speakers and speed. Not the camera.
While it may not eliminate all of it, you do have something on the outer glass covering the lens. It needs to be cleaned with a lens pen. That's what's causing those little o shaped artifacts. Because of the tiny aperture and very wide (F 1.5), these objective element must be kept optically clean as if it were a laser optic! That's exceedingly difficult since its exposed. My suggestion is to purchase a lens pen and keep it with you if the best quality pictures are important. One can really see this at night when capturing dark scenes with bright pinpoint sources such as headlamps and streetlights, etc.
My biggest issue with camera phones (they all have it!) is the internal reflections producing ghost images. It's really apparent at events (i.e. concerts) with multiple bright points of light. Bathes the image in little blue-green dots everywhere.
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Thought it was a rainbow. How did you get it to show? As none of my pics have that but it hasn't been sunny here
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It was all from the sun. I had issues with my pics no matter which way I stood.
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Yeah the 1st photo I took outside had lens flare. I'll deal. I got the phone for the stereo speakers and speed. Not the camera.
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Was the flare similar to mine?
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While it may not eliminate all of it, you do have something on the outer glass covering the lens. It needs to be cleaned with a lens pen. That's what's causing those little o shaped artifacts. Because of the tiny aperture and very wide (F 1.5), these objective element must be kept optically clean as if it were a laser optic! That's exceedingly difficult since its exposed. My suggestion is to purchase a lens pen and keep it with you if the best quality pictures are important. One can really see this at night when capturing dark scenes with bright pinpoint sources such as headlamps and streetlights, etc.
My biggest issue with camera phones (they all have it!) is the internal reflections producing ghost images. It's really apparent at events (i.e. concerts) with multiple bright points of light. Bathes the image in little blue-green dots everywhere.
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The pic with the circled artifacts was the first pic I took. The lens was clean toothe best of my knowledge. The following pics didn't have and of those artifacts pop up. Nevertheless, I'm concerned that there is a design flaw. I've owned many phones and have never had such an issue with taking pics with the sun. I was tweeting Samsung support and said the light penetrating into the lens was the reason for the terrible pics. Idk.. the phone is very new so we'll see how many do or don't come forward with this issue. All I know is the afternoon sun was just at the right height to cause the angle that the camera didn't agree with.
It's possible as with wider apertures and very bright out of frame light sources striking the periphery of the aperture you will see this. This can't be avoided even with pro gear hence the use of bulky hoods.
The idea of a two step iris, even in its rudimentary form, is a new frontier for mobile devices and this could be a glaring limitation if not annoying. Just as when driving one uses a visor or their hand, you may have to improvise and provide some shading to limit these artifacts.
Used hand as a shield
Well, took some more pics and the results are terrible. I even had it in video. I used my hand as a shield and away went the lens flare. I even rotated the phone to were the modules were on the opposite side as I normally use the phone during picture and video taking. I think that made it worse. I'm just disgusted.
Another example of me shielding the sun.
Sorry but they were flipped during the upload process.
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droidrev71 said:
Was the flare similar to mine?
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I'll just share
Nothing yet for me, keeping my fingers crossed.
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I'll just share
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Thank you for sharing. The speakers and speed are great! I messed with the phone before it was released and thought the speakers were ok. When trying them when I recieved the phone i was very impressed. I take a ton of pics so I don't think I can tolerate this camera issue.
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Nothing yet for me, keeping my fingers crossed.
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Fingers crossed!