There has been some discussion, but none since the Consumer Preview came out about being able to get Windows on a tablet such as the Gtab which is a Tegra2 chipset.
Does anybody know if it is even possible to get Windows on the Gtab at any point without a specific bootloader for it? With Android being more open than Windows we can tinker and change it far more than we ever will with Windows so I am not so much as asking if it is being done as much as I am asking if it can be done. And then if so if anybody is even looking at doing it. I would love to take a Consumer Preview copy and try to install it on my Gtab just to see if it would work but I don't know enough about tablet technology to even start, desktop on the other hand I'll get working, but not with a tablet.
So after all this, if anybody is willing to assist in trying this I am will to test it out. I have 2 Gtabs and I am willing to put one up for testing, but I want to do the testing so I can learn if anybody is will to teach.
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Firedog7881 said:
There has been some discussion, but none since the Consumer Preview came out about being able to get Windows on a tablet such as the Gtab which is a Tegra2 chipset.
Does anybody know if it is even possible to get Windows on the Gtab at any point without a specific bootloader for it? With Android being more open than Windows we can tinker and change it far more than we ever will with Windows so I am not so much as asking if it is being done as much as I am asking if it can be done. And then if so if anybody is even looking at doing it. I would love to take a Consumer Preview copy and try to install it on my Gtab just to see if it would work but I don't know enough about tablet technology to even start, desktop on the other hand I'll get working, but not with a tablet.
So after all this, if anybody is willing to assist in trying this I am will to test it out. I have 2 Gtabs and I am willing to put one up for testing, but I want to do the testing so I can learn if anybody is will to teach.
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gTab doesn't come close to meeting the min hardware specs that Microsoft has published for Win8 tablets (screen res, hardware buttons, storage space, UEFI support, Bluetooth 4.0, 720P camera, magnetometer & gyro, etc). It is doubtful that any modern Windows version will ever run in the 512M of memory the gTab has. In addition, MS has also said that Win8 Tablet will be tied to hardware (you won't be able to go to your local PC store & pick up a copy to install on any old tablet). The vendors will tie Win8 to their specific hardware & that is the only way you will be able to get it.
FYI, the Win8 tabs that were given out at BUILD had an Intel core i5 processor, 4G ram, 64G SSD, 1366x768 display, Wireless N, & 3G.
With android, devs have access to os source code that helps them to be able to modify android to the varying hardware. In the case of Win8, I don't believe you will ever see MS release source code which would make the task of porting to an unsupported devices next to impossible. Just my 2 cents.
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hey guys there is a rumor about windows 8 coming out for tablets and im so excited for that .. yet my question is will this windows 8 for tablet be able to run windows games like a PC ? lets say i want to install some game like Need for speed or call of duty will it be able to run it as a PC windows ?
Thanks
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hey guys there is a rumor about windows 8 coming out for tablets and im so excited for that .. yet my question is will this windows 8 for tablet be able to run windows games like a PC ? lets say i want to install some game like Need for speed or call of duty will it be able to run it as a PC windows ?
Thanks
With all respect
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Tablet based on Tegra or Snapdragon gets Windows RT. This is Windows for ARM and will not run normal PC games.
Tabled based on X86 (for example Intel) gets Windows 8. This is windows for PC and will be able to run normal PC games (and windows applications). (if the GPU has enough power ofcourse)
Though I expect the ARM version will have much better battery life and is more suitable for a tablet.
And keep in mind that game developers are already making game engines for Windows RT. For example, there is already a demo for the Unreal3 Engine.
madshark2009 said:
hey guys there is a rumor about windows 8 coming out for tablets and im so excited for that .. yet my question is will this windows 8 for tablet be able to run windows games like a PC ? lets say i want to install some game like Need for speed or call of duty will it be able to run it as a PC windows ?
Thanks
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i believe you're expecting to intall windows on Prime. Sorry to dissapoint you, but this will not be possible.. Windows 8 for tablet will only be available for OEM.
ooh thanks guys ! and what do you mean only available on oem ? ive seen videos on youtube about this asus having windows 8 on it ? well ?
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ooh thanks guys ! and what do you mean only available on oem ? ive seen videos on youtube about this asus having windows 8 on it ? well ?
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Only available to manufacturers. Is not like normal windows where you buy a license on a store and install on any x86 computer. Is more like Windows Phones where the OS is attached with the phone..
And since is a closed source OS, i doubt the community can install it on other devices (maybe on tablets where exists models for both versions with the same hardware this can be done, i don't know)
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ooh thanks guys ! and what do you mean only available on oem ? ive seen videos on youtube about this asus having windows 8 on it ? well ?
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If you search wikipedia for Windows 8 RT you will see the hardware requirements and then see why you should not expect to see W8 on the TFP:
Hardware buttons: Must have five hardware buttons - 'Power', 'Rotation lock', 'Windows Key', 'Volume-up', 'Volume-down'. The Windows Key to be at least 10.5 mm in diameter.
Five-point digitizers: Microsoft requires that Windows 8 touch PCs use digitizers supporting a minimum of five touch points.
Mobile Broadband: If a mobile broadband device is integrated into a tablet or convertible system, then an assisted GPS radio is required
Display: Minimum native resolution/color depth is 1366x768 at a depth of 32-bits. The physical dimensions of the display panel must match the aspect ratio of the native resolution. The native resolution of the panel can be greater than 1366 (horizontally) and 768 (vertically).
Near field communication: Devices supporting NFC need to have visual marks to help users locate and use the proximity technology.
New button combination for Control-Alt-Delete: The new option is to press Windows Key + Power.
Storage: At least 10 GB free space, after the out-of-box experience completes.
Graphics: Direct3D 10 device with WDDM 1.2 driver
Camera: Minimum resolution 1280 x 720[5]
Ambient light sensor: 1-30k lux capable with dynamic range of 5-60K.
Accelerometer: three axes with data rates at or above 50 Hz
Magnetometer and gyroscope
USB 2.0: At least one controller and exposed port.
Networking: WLAN and Bluetooth 4.0 + LE (low energy)
System firmware: UEFI
Built-in speaker and microphone[6]
If anyone can resolve the hardware issues they then have to persuade MS to supply them with W8 Licences (projected to be 85$). There is no indication that W8RT will be sold as a retail product and it will be sold to tablet manufacturers - OEM's -original equipment manufacturer / manufacturing.
If I remember correctly, there was an app you could download from Google Play Store which would allow you to run a version of Windows 8 on your Transformer tablets. It required that you have W8 installed on a desktop and connected your tablet to it. If the system can run the OS if you paid for the app, it should be able to run it standalone as well. Just my opinion, and you know what they say about opinions...
Long story short, possible but unlikely.
You're looking for Windows RT, the ARM version of Windows 8 (vs the Intel version that will run all the old apps we known and love and run on our intel computers). It is certainly possible (hell, probably extremely easy) to install Windows RT on our Transformer Primes. In fact I'd venture a guess to say most of Asus' Windows RT tablets are nothing but transformers, an extra button, and a few extra hardware features Windows mandates it have (ie the "Windows" button). That being said, in a TECHNICAL sense, it should be uber easy to install Windows RT.
The issue comes with licensing, legalese, and most of the crap most of us here hate because all it does is make our lives more difficult and expensive when we know damn well the hardware is capable. Microsoft has already said a few things that don't sit right with me. A few below:
1. All Windows RT devices must have locked UEFI bootloaders (ie, NO installing Android or Ubuntu, when all 3 COULD be installed in dual-triple boot configurations)
2. Windows RT will only be available to OEMs to be installed from the factory (no installing to Android devices, despite the hardware being capable.)
3. All Windows RT devices must only be able to install software from the market (with MS's 30% cut like Apple) and ONLY be for the metro environment, not the legacy desktop.
This all being said, I'm the proud owner of the HTC HD2 and if you look at that thing, which Microsoft said would never get Windows Phone despite satisfying 98% of their hardware specs, it's currently running the latest versions of Windows Phone AND Android (JB). This is all from a device that shipped with Windows MOBILE 6.5 in October of 2010. Performance is on par with single-core windows phones and single-core snapdragon chips (similar to what's in the original EVO).
It's possible, the question is, who's willing to cross Microsoft, and what kind of encryption needs to be broken first. It WILL happen, the question is a) how long and b) which devices are popular/worth it enough to MAKE it happen.
Until Microsoft fixes their current trajectory to their own 'clo$ed eco$y$tem' like Apple, I'll wait...
Does anyone know how well this runs on a sp4 i5? windows 10 in tablet mode is driving me nuts. Remix OS and all the touch optimized android apps it brings would make this into the perfect device for me
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Does anyone know how well this runs on a sp4 i5? windows 10 in tablet mode is driving me nuts. Remix OS and all the touch optimized android apps it brings would make this into the perfect device for me
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Touchscreen not working
Sad, I was going to buy a surface pro 4 this week...
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Has any progress been made to get Touch-screen working on SP4?
i'm also waiting for touchscreen. any progress?
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Sad, I was going to buy a surface pro 4 this week...
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Buy lenovo yoga 700 same specs way lower price..
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The new remix os beta might be able to support touchscreen, not sure though. Lets wait till its out
Same as everyone above,
I'm running a SUrface Pro 4 i7 256gb 8gb Ram device.
I couldn't get this to boot from anything other than a USB drive, got stuck because of the single USB slot so plugged in a USB port extender and plugged mouse and keyboard to that and that all started working fine. Surface keypad and touch screen functions don,t work. Also the resolution is silly small but aside from that everything else seemed fine. Hoping the beta which rolls out today might address some of this but likely not.
My current challenge is to get remix os to boot from the internal hard-drive or the micro-sd i have plugged in at the back to keep the USB port free.
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Same as everyone above,
I'm running a SUrface Pro 4 i7 256gb 8gb Ram device.
I couldn't get this to boot from anything other than a USB drive, got stuck because of the single USB slot so plugged in a USB port extender and plugged mouse and keyboard to that and that all started working fine. Surface keypad and touch screen functions don,t work. Also the resolution is silly small but aside from that everything else seemed fine. Hoping the beta which rolls out today might address some of this but likely not.
My current challenge is to get remix os to boot from the internal hard-drive or the micro-sd i have plugged in at the back to keep the USB port free.
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I am sure it would work out soon...
It makes sense to install it on the internal card...difficult to handle a a tablet with an ugly usb drive protruding from it...unlike a desktop pc....XD
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I am sure it would work out soon...
It makes sense to install it on the internal card...difficult to handle a a tablet with an ugly usb drive protruding from it...unlike a desktop pc....XD
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exactly! I was just happy to get it working first time round.
Runs incredibly awesome and fast on my surface pro 3. Installed on the ssd. I5 128gb 4gb. 230k antutu. If its any consolation. And on my venue 11. I5 4300y, 4gb 128gb, I actually have it installed on the micro SD. A 128gb 80mbs. Don't know why, but the venue can boot it from the micro SD, not the surface, or my onda dualos v919, or my teclast x98 pro. Weird.
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Runs incredibly awesome and fast on my surface pro 3. Installed on the ssd. I5 128gb 4gb. 230k antutu. If its any consolation. And on my venue 11. I5 4300y, 4gb 128gb, I actually have it installed on the micro SD. A 128gb 80mbs. Don't know why, but the venue can boot it from the micro SD, not the surface, or my onda dualos v919, or my teclast x98 pro. Weird.
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That's really interesting. To be fair, microsoft only just managed to fix the bag warmer bug on the SP4 so likely some drivers on it might just be to new age.
In other news Remix OS beta is out with suport for installation on an internal drive. I found a post about how to do this manually but glad they have it baked into their install. No gurantee it will work though. Will update here once im done. http://www.jide.com/en/remixos-for-pc
Hopefully the newest beta will actually work. At work at the moment so can't test it with my SP4 yet. Been running AMIDuOS instead but it doesn't have great performance.
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Runs incredibly awesome and fast on my surface pro 3. Installed on the ssd. I5 128gb 4gb. 230k antutu. If its any consolation. And on my venue 11. I5 4300y, 4gb 128gb, I actually have it installed on the micro SD. A 128gb 80mbs. Don't know why, but the venue can boot it from the micro SD, not the surface, or my onda dualos v919, or my teclast x98 pro. Weird.
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Simple question, how did you install it on your MicroSD card ? I'm having trouble installing it while keeping my second partition, basically I have an Asus T100 with limited SSD storage, so I'm trying to get RemixOS installed on one partition of my MicroSD card for dual boot while keeping my Windows data (files, movies...) on another partition. Any ideas ? I know there's this thing about only the active partition showing up in Windows, so a second partition won't show up in Windows (I have to do it from Linux).
Posting from the SP4 running the beta. Its good keyboard works, managed to boot from the internal partition i setup. No touchscreen support but typecover now works and the touchpad although buggy also works. i would use a usb mouse. Trying to change the resolution now doesnt recognise high res display on surface pro 4. Will post with updates.
I thing RemixOS currently doesn't recognize touchpad buttons, if you don't try to use them (as buttons), it works well, at least for me.
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Simple question, how did you install it on your MicroSD card ? I'm having trouble installing it while keeping my second partition, basically I have an Asus T100 with limited SSD storage, so I'm trying to get RemixOS installed on one partition of my MicroSD card for dual boot while keeping my Windows data (files, movies...) on another partition. Any ideas ? I know there's this thing about only the active partition showing up in Windows, so a second partition won't show up in Windows (I have to do it from Linux).
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well, when I launched the "now old" alpha usb installer, it allows me to select my sd card, on all the tablets actually, but only the venue actually boots from the sd card... Not sure why, if there's anything I can run, or get more information for you on it, let me know. I actually only got 130k on the alpha on my surface pro 3, sorry about the typo. I installed the beta today, and well, ITS EVEN FRICKIN BETTER, lol. Everything works (except the type cover, lol, and thats the only thing working on the sp4, lol). I mean everything works. Even the windows button works and brings up the remix menu. I'm getting 160k on antutu on the beta. Only problem is, when I'm dual booting and I get the 30 second screen to choose an OS, I can't pick one, unless I have my usb wireless dongle in and my little air mouse/keyboard at the ready, then I can choose with that controller. I guess I could change the default to android, but I use windows 10 x64 too. I had to use windows to root android, with the rmx tools. Anyway, the beta is buttery smooth on the sp3. All apps working except maps, just locks up when I launch it. Audio, bluetooth, wireless 2.4 and 5.0, multitouch, windows haptic button, rotation, battery meter, volume and power buttons, front and back cameras and accelerated graphics all working perfectly. Its totally awesome, this is a super fast android/windows dual OS tablet now!!!
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Hey all, just put the beta only maindektop and my venue. The desktop get 193k antutu i7 5820k @ 4ghz 16gb ddr4 256 m.2 m600 ssd. The venue gets 103k on the internal ssd, will bench on SD card later. Now installing on surface 3 (non pro cherry trail z8700), onda v919 air dual os (baytrail-t), and teclast x98 pro (cherry trail z8500). Not sure why my desktop and the venue's scores are so low. I haven't rooted and installed kernel auiditor yet though. Oh, and I'll bench the beta on my dell studio 15 7537 touchscreen lappy later too, i7 4500u, 16gb ddr3 256gb msata ssd 1gb geforce 750mand I'll bench it on my chuwi hi8 (cherry trail z8300). I'm like totally benchmark crazy right now, don't have anything better to do though. I could also put it on my lenovo miix 2 8 and my unbranded 10 inch (best buy brand), but I'm not sure what the point would be. I have 3 nexus 7s, 2 -2013s and 1 2012, I could install the arm version on the 2013s to compare with. I've got that lenovo g460 1st gen i5 560m, geforce 310m, 8gb ddr3 I picked up for $37 (most of what I have, I bought broken, and fixed it). I could go on, but I'm probably boring everybody. I'll let you know the results soon.
as far as why the beta works so well with the surface pro 3 and not with the SP4, I have no idea, it has similar hardware.
The surface pro 3 and the venue are running their full resolutions on the remix beta. Battery life is better than windows 10 x64 on both too.
Ill put it on my surface 3 and I have an old surface pro 1 lying around and let you know the results. I buy a lot of broken stuff and fix it. You should see my stack of phones, mostly s4 and s5, but I've got some others too. Seriously gadget ocd, lol. I'm posting on the venue 7130 vpro right now, not as buttery as the surface, but still snappy. Multi touch works, Bluetooth, WiFi 5.0 and 2.4 work, vibration works, windows button works, sound works, volume and power buttons work, battery meter works, maps works too, unlike the sp3. Rotation is about the only thing not working, but does on the sp3.
I was digging amiduos lollipop for a while, but yea, you just don't get the performance of running it natively. Although my desktop was getting way over 200k on antutu with it, but some things can only be run natively due to virtual machine limitations. I think this beta and the phoenix beta blow any virtual android machine away. I've run some marshmallow ones too, they just don't cut it for me.
Well, I went out and picked up another surface pro keyboard. I got the one that is backlit. The box says surface pro type cover. I didn't think it was any different than the one I already have. But...., this one works with remix, and the other doesn't. Anyway, the keyboard does work, but the trackpad doesn't work at all in remix, both work fine in windows. Also, I have maps working on my sp3. I had to go into settings and click on "let maps use full screen" and now its working. So to recap, everything on the surface pro 3 is working pretty much flawlessly with the remix beta. The front and rear cameras are a little laggy, but that's about it, oh, and the trackpad on the type cover isnt working. but bluetooth, wifi 5.0 and 2.4, rotation, vibration, windows button, surface pro stylus, battery meter, resolution, power and volume buttons, 10 point multi-touch and standby are all working very well. I'm not sure about display brightness as I haven't located where I can adjust it. Anybody know?
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well, when I launched the "now old" alpha usb installer, it allows me to select my sd card, on all the tablets actually, but only the venue actually boots from the sd card... Not sure why, if there's anything I can run, or get more information for you on it, let me know. I actually only got 130k on the alpha on my surface pro 3, sorry about the typo. I installed the beta today, and well, ITS EVEN FRICKIN BETTER, lol. Everything works (except the type cover, lol, and thats the only thing working on the sp4, lol). I mean everything works. Even the windows button works and brings up the remix menu. I'm getting 160k on antutu on the beta. Only problem is, when I'm dual booting and I get the 30 second screen to choose an OS, I can't pick one, unless I have my usb wireless dongle in and my little air mouse/keyboard at the ready, then I can choose with that controller. I guess I could change the default to android, but I use windows 10 x64 too. I had to use windows to root android, with the rmx tools. Anyway, the beta is buttery smooth on the sp3. All apps working except maps, just locks up when I launch it. Audio, bluetooth, wireless 2.4 and 5.0, multitouch, windows haptic button, rotation, battery meter, volume and power buttons, front and back cameras and accelerated graphics all working perfectly. Its totally awesome, this is a super fast android/windows dual OS tablet now!!!
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Thanks for the answer !
After some trials and research, I have found out that there's no way to boot from external sd card from my tablet (BIOS doesn't load it up before Windows boot). I could install RemixOS on my tablet's hard drive, but I won't be able to detach my keyboard which contains the HDD then. I have also tried the method that involves using grub2win, but for the same reasons at boot my grub2win installation isn't detected. I might try with putting it on my integrated SSD, and telling it to then look for RemixOS on my microSD when I have time, but for now it's a nope apparently.
I'll still try live booting the beta though, looks awesome !