I already had 5.1.1 so this was a new one. 2.11.502.18 Sense 7.0 Android 5.1. Haven't had a chance to check it out yet.
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Security updates?
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13 google security patches and charging fixes
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Does anyone know what sort of charging fixes?
http://www.att.com/esupport/softwareUpdateArticle.jsp?sid=KB426679&cv=820
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/android-security-updates
I applied the OTA last night to my completely stock M9. First off, it took quite a while to apply with a pretty high number of restarts (I lost track).
After all was said and done, it is still Android 5.1 (not 5.1.1).
Prior to the update, the latest Stagefright detector showed it was vulnerable to CVE-2015-3864, CVE-2015-3876, and CVE-2015-6602. After the update, only CVE-2015-3864 was patched. (This is on par with the current Galaxy S6 edge, but behind the Nexus 6.)
Haven't had a chance to observe any charging changes yet.
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I applied the OTA last night to my completely stock M9. First off, it took quite a while to apply with a pretty high number of restarts (I lost track).
After all was said and done, it is still Android 5.1 (not 5.1.1).
Prior to the update, the latest Stagefright detector showed it was vulnerable to CVE-2015-3864, CVE-2015-3876, and CVE-2015-6602. After the update, only CVE-2015-3864 was patched. (This is on par with the current Galaxy S6 edge, but behind the Nexus 6.)
Haven't had a chance to observe any charging changes yet.
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Probably not gonna push an update that small (5.1 to 5.1.1) with 6.0 being so close. I heard before Christmas for 6.0.
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Probably not gonna push an update that small (5.1 to 5.1.1) with 6.0 being so close. I heard before Christmas for 6.0.
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maybe for dev edition, at&t version will be like 2016, hatre to say it but they are freakin slow
It looks like when they say "Google Bulletin 13" patches, they are referring to the September Nexus Security Bulletin:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/android-security-updates/1M7qbSvACjo
Oh, one other item I noticed is that after a Factory Reset on 2.11.502.18, the Motion Launch gestures are working without needing to install an update. This corrects a regression introduced in 2.6.502.16.
Any idea for marshmallow update on AT&T M9........?
This week I just read by googling HTC m9 update att some users are reporting to already have got it but I haven't seen proof of that yet. But cross your fingers for this week.
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Follow mo versi on twitter.. he is in charge of USA HTC updates. As of a few days ago he said the HTC One m9 att 6.0 update was still a few weeks out unfortunately.. this would make a late Feb early March release for us att USA users. I think this is complete bull****.. but at the end of the day att is probably most at fault for late updates and HTC is out of the damn minds updating the m8 to 6.0 months before the flagship. Regardless of the fact that they got screwed too.. seems completely counter productive to update last year's flagship months before the current flagship.. but as of late HTC doesn't seem to be making the best of decisions
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Over at Slickdeal.net in the AT&T M9 deal thread, one guy claimed he has received Marshmallow update for his AT&T M9 a week ago by simply manually check for updates. No proof was posted. So we just have to take his word on it.
Got an OTA this morning, not the 6.0 but they might be getting ready to release it soon.
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Got an OTA this morning, not the 6.0 but they might be getting ready to release it soon.
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Got this update, too. Still 5.1. Has anyone here messed around with any other ROMs on their AT&T HTC One M9 and been happy with it?
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Got this update, too. Still 5.1. Has anyone here messed around with any other ROMs on their AT&T HTC One M9 and been happy with it?
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I tried to install Anroid_RevolutionHD and had major probs.... I was told by that thread that we needed 3.x firmware for the 6.0 customs to work properly (?)
The 6.0 update comes with two updates. This is the first update that does not include 6.0 OS. Wait for the next update to hit soon.
Ah nice. Sorry, just to be clear you're saying that the most recent OTA package that was 500+ MB is package 1/2 for getting 6.0? Thanks for any info, dying to see if the 6.0 makes the M9 as snappy as my OPO, especially considering it has a SD810 proc...
I'm not sure if it is the 500+MB. That was the 5.1 update released last October. This one feels quite small. HTC has confirmed that this is the 1st of the two updates for 6.0 with 6.0 just entered AT&T lab for testing. So we may still have a few weeks to go.
Check your software number. This latest one is 2.11.502.21. The 500+MB that was release in last October was 2.11.502.18. The 6.0 update will be 3.xx version number.
They are saying a couple [email protected] update...had some issues so Ive read
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Why was the G2 the first to get Volte?
because that was the device they tested it on leading up to the launch. The G3 hadn't come out yet as they were testing.
It's also on the galaxy s5 so when did testing start?
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It's also on the galaxy s5 so when did testing start?
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Not sure, I just remember reading somewhere that they picked those two phones to start testing, and instead of re-writing everything for a newer phone, they just released what they had.
I went to the feature change page for my G3 and didn't see the feature there. Can anybody else here see the feature?
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I went to the feature change page for my G3 and didn't see the feature there. Can anybody else here see the feature?
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No one can because Verizon hasn't enabled it yet.
They just recently got the 4.4.4 update, so it would make sense as to why the S5 just barely got in and the G2 has been there for over a year.
I'm sure once we get the 4.4.4 update we will have VoLTE capability.
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The waiting game.
VZW is in a "Network Freeze" this week, through the next. They are adding a ton of new things. VoLTE is just one of them. They are doing the G3 first because it was test. There is testing on the S5, and G3 as well now. It will be added in the G3 4.4.4 update.
So, is there now a G3 4.4.4 update in testing at VZW?
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So, is there now a G3 4.4.4 update in testing at VZW?
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VoLTE has been rolled out. If you have a compatible phone (either an S5 for a G2) then you will be able to add the feature under the "add features" section on your "my account" page. It also comes with free basic visual voicemail. Once you do that, you should have the "volte" feature box enabled in your "mobile data" settings on your phone. I tested this last night with a buddy who has a G2 and video calls/HD voice calls were sweet. the volte calls were crystal clear.
The VLG G3 came with basic visual voicemail, but I didn't much like it. I guess no VoLTE yet, anyway ?
I will enable it on my wife's G2.
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So, is there now a G3 4.4.4 update in testing at VZW?
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Still haven't seen anything hit the test teams desk.
It's pretty annoying actually. You think you buy the latest and greatest only to find out you didn't. I'm thinking more and more everyday I should have gotten the S5 instead.
My only hope is that the boot loader gets cracked. I don't believe the Samsung bootloaders will ever be unlocked again....but at least some have safestrap.
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Still haven't seen anything hit the test teams desk.
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So basically from what you are saying, is that for once it is no Verizon's fault, but LG's fault for not releasing an update for us.
Figures, LG still hasn't learned. Bummer is they already released like 3 or so performance updates for the Euro G3, but nothing for the US yet. Dam slackers.
From a few threads I've came across, the Euro updates help with performance and the phone seems a bit more smooth now.
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So basically from what you are saying, is that for once it is no Verizon's fault, but LG's fault for not releasing an update for us.
Figures, LG still hasn't learned. Bummer is they already released like 3 or so performance updates for the Euro G3, but nothing for the US yet. Dam slackers.
From a few threads I've came across, the Euro updates help with performance and the phone seems a bit more smooth now.
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Don't be too negative just yet. Maybe they're working on going straight to Android L? Who knows, certainly not us...
I am not at all sure I want to be required to install new Android L sometime next Spring as the only option for correcting some of the problems and performance issues with the v10b version Verizon shipped on this device.
Aren't some of the non-Verizon versions of the G3 already on 10I or better ?
I would like one update before an initial L release for a better Kit Kat.
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LG should at least fix their bugs in KK before they release L.
Some people may prefer to stay on KK and not update to L, so they deserve at least a stable version of KK with good performance.
So any new news on this?
We are going on 2 months with clear knowledge on Verizon and LG's part of the evil WiFi sync issue. Last I spoke to Verizon, they said that LG was aware of the issue and a patch would be eminent, but they needed LG to fix the build. LG stated that a fix was due ASAP....hmmm wtf? I just recommended this phone to a friend, but I'm going to look like a stupid dumb person after hyping it up if that friend can't receive his notifications. I've been blissfully happy on CM, but wow. Let's go here!
And then.....? And then, and then, and then!
Agreed!
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according to the latest rumors from informed sources, the fix is coming "sometime this fall" Why so long? Because Verizon has you by the balls and they know it,
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according to the latest rumors from informed sources, the fix is coming "sometime this fall" Why so long? Because Verizon has you by the balls and they know it,
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Fall?! Are you kidding me?
Had to flash back to 23C yesterday after I was having major texting issues with SD. Figured the patch had to be sooner than fall. ARG.
Verizon wants us all to buy G4s or S6edges or iPhones, signing up for another two years of bondage so we can afford to have a phone that actually works more or less correctly, for a while anyway.
I run my vs985 on KitKat still. Rooted and debloated with stock camera and a pre-VoLTE radio. I am having no problems with that at all. Why chase Lollipop ? Its not as good a version of Android as KitKat, even if it were working as designed, which it isn't even on my Nexus 5 with 5.1.1.
I agree kit Kat has no issues so I've stuck with it.
I wonder if the update that is coming this fall might be Android M. Doubtful since the nexus devices will probably be released then. And LG has to put there skin on top of UI. So it looks like LG is probably going back to the old LG. With wanting customers to upgrade all the time and not putting out any or very few updates for there devices. Since LG is now saying they are going to skip 5.1.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/LG-H...device-could-go-straight-to-Android-M_id70466
I went from a g2 to a g3, now I'll probably go to a nexus device to actually get bug fixes. Granted Google screws up on software. But at least they don't ignore major problems for a long time.
No, it won't be m. LG posted release dates for all g3 variants. 5.1 rolling out at the end of June for international, and July for all US variants, along with the bump in version are bug fixes. I'll try to find the post on g+....
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No, it won't be m. LG posted release dates for all g3 variants. 5.1 rolling out at the end of June for international, and July for all US variants, along with the bump in version are bug fixes. I'll try to find the post on g+....
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I couldn't imagine M that quickly. Unless google releases it very soon (doubtful). I thought it would be stupid if they skipped the 5.1 update. Especially since it fixes a lot of the problems with lollipop. But LG did this crap before with not supporting devices. That is why no one was buying there android devices. But corporate greed is huge.
you won;t see M on the G3 until 2016 if ever.
The Verizon bug fixes for what we have now will be at least 60 days after Lg releases for the international G3 , thanks to Verizon testing (crippling)
According to LG/Verizon corporate support, small update this fall for WiFi sync bug. And either 5.1, or M next spring. From what I saw on another forum, LG will skip 5.1 and release M next spring.
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Just checked out Android Pit. They show no 5.?.? updates for the G3. Looks like we will be left on Lollipop. Or, maybe get M next spring. But, M is just speculation on the news sites.
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According to LG/Verizon corporate support, small update this fall for WiFi sync bug. And either 5.1, or M next spring. From what I saw on another forum, LG will skip 5.1 and release M next spring.
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Just checked out Android Pit. They show no 5.?.? updates for the G3. Looks like we will be left on Lollipop. Or, maybe get M next spring. But, M is just speculation on the news sites.
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The G3 is skipping 5.1 and going right to M. Who knows how long it will be though. I don't see why. Brings many fixes....
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No, it won't be m. LG posted release dates for all g3 variants. 5.1 rolling out at the end of June for international, and July for all US variants, along with the bump in version are bug fixes. I'll try to find the post on g+....
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http://www.androidheadlines.com/2015/06/lg-g3-unlikely-to-receive-android-5-1-update.html
Great, I really like this phone coming from a Samsung GS3 last July. Looks like I'll be updating to something else in Dec whether its a G4 or next Nexus or N6. Verizon is 75% the issue anyway.
I still don't have the wifi sync issues, besides my email takes a while to load up fully. Besides that runs same as kit Kat. I must be one of the lucky few.... That or just don't realize it, lol!
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I still don't have the wifi sync issues, besides my email takes a while to load up fully. Besides that runs same as kit Kat. I must be one of the lucky few.... That or just don't realize it, lol!
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I think it all depends on the router you are connected to. For me, at home, if I have IPV6 disabled, then I cannot get gmail via my 3rd party app (MailDroid). I had this issue in a hotel as well, which means they probably had IPV6 turned off. Otherwise, I haven't had any issues. I get text messages, etc whether on LTE or WiFi.
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I think it all depends on the router you are connected to. For me, at home, if I have IPV6 disabled, then I cannot get gmail via my 3rd party app (MailDroid). I had this issue in a hotel as well, which means they probably had IPV6 turned off. Otherwise, I haven't had any issues. I get text messages, etc whether on LTE or WiFi.
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Must be... I don't even know. I'll chalk it up to that and run with it.
Looks like even the G4 is not getting the 5.1.1 update. I'm not sure if I trust the source. But if so LG is going back to its old ways and not updating there phones. Which will probably hurt the company bad. Since the competition has gotten better.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/LG-h...oment-could-the-G4-jump-straight-to-M_id70864
Yeah, saw in the forums the Sprint G3, and ATT G3 are all getting their post lollipop fix updates. But, us lucky Verizon users get to wait until the fall for ours. And, LG isn't going to put 5.1.1 on the G3. Everyone keeps assuming we will get M, but, I have read nowhere that LG said we would get M. Its all speculation on websites. Grrrrrr
5.11 have a bug of power consumption.
If i recall right it took almost 6 months from sony to update z1 from kitkat to lollipop from a lollipops release day. And there is no quarantee that marshmellow will give you better battery life.
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If i recall right it took almost 6 months from sony to update z1 from kitkat to lollipop from a lollipops release day. And there is no quarantee that marshmellow will give you better battery life.
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i heard "M" fixed the bug...
What bug you are referring to? There was memory leak at 5.0, but should be fixed already.
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What bug you are referring to? There was memory leak at 5.0, but should be fixed already.
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Network standby costs a high percentage of the battery, find some solution that need to modify the adb to fix it, it is very complex.
The z3c was updated in March.
End of December if you ask me. Telstra will give the z4 tab update in january so it is safe to say that we will get it in December
I'm betting on a January release timeframe but this is not based on any source. We do know that they're already testing Marshmellow on Z3 and Z3c models in limited beta so at least we know they've already started.
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End of December if you ask me. Telstra will give the z4 tab update in january so it is safe to say that we will get it in December
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How does Telstra (Australia) have anything to do with the general Z5C Marshmallow ETA, unless they are your Telco?
The other 99.9% of Z5C users will have zero interest in when Telstra decide to "give" an update anything.
Hopefully non branded Marshmallow will arrive prior to the end of the year.
Bruh. Branded firmwares get the update AFTER the unbranded ones usually. So that's what I meant. So Telstra giving an update does matter
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How does Telstra (Australia) have anything to do with the general Z5C Marshmallow ETA, unless they are your Telco?
The other 99.9% of Z5C users will have zero interest in when Telstra decide to "give" an update anything.
Hopefully non branded Marshmallow will arrive prior to the end of the year.
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Come on...
He shared that information to estimate a possibility range for the Z5C.
If a carrier is going to release 6.0 in January for another Sony device, You could assume that the OTA for the Z5C/Z5, current flagships, (in general) will be before January.
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Sorry, Being a bit harsh. I wouldn't rely on a Telstra estimate thats all. If the Sony OTA is delayed, Telstra will simply kick the ball down the road.
Yes that's also true. Since the carriers doesn't have the final word for an update.
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Yep, no joke. It's all over. Motorola has confirmed that Moto Z and Moto G4 will be getting Nougat taste in Q4, which actually beings only 4 days after.
-- source
I think it will take Moto G4 around December when first 7.0 build comes out.
What do you say?
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Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for security patches on the XT1625. Still haven't received the OTA with the July patch...not sure what the hold up is.
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Sadly, the Lenovo-owned Motorola is not the same thing as Google-owned Motorola. The updates aren't that faster now. Motorola had already acknowledged that even for their flagship like Moto Z, they would not push out security updates every month -- as they want to pack them in a bunch and release together quarterly or something.
For the Moto G4, I think they would do the same, or even at a lower rate. We haven't seen too many updates from Moto this year, compared to regular builds showered at Galaxy models by Samsung every now and then.
But it's okay, right? Security patches don't break the whole deal, and Moto G4 is an awesome device, at awesome price -- a range where not too many OEMs can say 'this device of ours will get Nougat, and that too within 4 months of the 7.0's release'. Right?
Speaking of updates, just got a prompt this morning to install Update MPJ24-139-64
This is on a US AMZ Lenovo G4
If anyone has applied it, good or bad effects?
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Speaking of updates, just got a prompt this morning to install Update MPJ24-139-64
This is on a US AMZ Lenovo G4
If anyone has applied it, good or bad effects?
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I applied it this morning. I haven't noticed any difference.
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I did as well and don't see any thing different
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I applied it this morning. I haven't noticed any difference.
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Does the security patch level show May 1, 2016 or a later date. If later then it was probably just a security patch.
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Does the security patch level show May 1, 2016 or a later date. If later then it was probably just a security patch.
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Android security patch level is now July 1, 2016.
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Nougat update
How can I get the new update of Nougat whenever it gets released? I am on Amazon prime phone with a locked bootloader and de-bloated.
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How can I get the new update of Nougat whenever it gets released? I am on Amazon prime phone with a locked bootloader and de-bloated.
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I'm guessing that with the locked bootloader you didn't do much de-bloating so even though it's an Amazon Prime phone and it's still locked, it should hopefully still get the update. The information I got from someone at Amazon was that the Amazon phones would still have updates pushed out to them, it will just be a slightly different rom.
Is there NO ONE who has an unofficial nougat rom for this phone?! I've been working on getting it to run android 7.0 for hours, and every single threat I've looked at is all talking about the 2013, 2014, 2015 versions, or the one with the fingerprint scanner, or another moto device, talking about code names that in my searches I've never seen associated with any moto models. I bought this phone for the sole purpose of getting Android 7.0 on it. I refuse to believe that we have an UNLOCKED phone, that's ROOTABLE, that a Nougat ROM does NOT exist for. I would be elated if someone directed me to a file that WORKS. Both the ones I've tried have failed, and it won't tell me why.
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Is there NO ONE who has an unofficial nougat rom for this phone?! I've been working on getting it to run android 7.0 for hours, and every single threat I've looked at is all talking about the 2013, 2014, 2015 versions, or the one with the fingerprint scanner, or another moto device, talking about code names that in my searches I've never seen associated with any moto models. I bought this phone for the sole purpose of getting Android 7.0 on it. I refuse to believe that we have an UNLOCKED phone, that's ROOTABLE, that a Nougat ROM does NOT exist for. I would be elated if someone directed me to a file that WORKS. Both the ones I've tried have failed, and it won't tell me why.
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What ones you have tried? No surprises there that it failed as they are not intended for the 2016 Moto G4/G4 Plus!
Quite simply, the 2016 model does not have the unofficial nougat, as the binary blobs for this cannot be found., if it was, there would have been a port of the AOSP ROM for it or a custom ROM available.
Can't you just wait a month or so until N is officially released? What is it that you're so desperate to get with Nougant anyway.
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android 7.0 official is already here on the moto g4 by the looks of it check it out Moto G4 Official Android 7.0 Update (Soak Test 1st Look)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWGOm_chhfo
For some reason even though I combed through the threads with the model number specific to my device, and the name and "sub-name" I suppose one could call it, and still didn't find anything. I've since taken it back and gone another direction, but I appreciate the input.
If you want nougat, the AOKP rom from the g4 plus forum on here runs super smooth. They're on to nightly builds. The only real issue I had was installing host files on my adaway app, and assigning a custom ringtone. The ringtone issue is a bug in the rom that the developer said he'd address in the next build. I just switched ad blocker software for now, and I'm back in business.
I got Nougat on Moto Z Verizon but still waiting for G4 update...still shows Security Update May 1. lol
This update downloaded tonight:
Android 7.0
Software version H87210h
May 15, 2017
Google's monthly security update
Software stability and bug fixes
No word on what it does.
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The update seems too large to me for just "security". 3xxMB is allot.
I got the update and I don't see anything different. Seems exactly the same
Just got off phone with lg and tmobile there is a KNOWN issue and reason why all devices haven't got the update and why it was halted and why oTA or lg bridge dont give u the latest BUG FIXES and SOftware stability ! But they want "me" to spend my $ LOL - the resolution was TBD they don't know when the update will come....TRASH
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Just got off phone with lg and tmobile there is a KNOWN issue and reason why all devices haven't got the update and why it was halted and why oTA or lg bridge dont give u the latest BUG FIXES and SOftware stability ! But they want "me" to spend my $ LOL - the resolution was TBD they don't know when the update will come....TRASH
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So you`d rather get a quick and buggy update then a stable one a bit later. I choose the latter one, besides that my phone is running great on 10F tbh and have no issues.
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So you`d rather get a quick and buggy update then a stable one a bit later. I choose the latter one, besides that my phone is running great on 10F tbh and have no issues.
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I rather informative communication versus the ambiguous responses received thus far. Not sure why people who allegedly have the update are commenting as if to discredit that there is something gone wrong with others, not to mention I was just on a 40 minute call with both companies and there is a known issue they aren't sure when the update will be "available" even though the website says it's available as of May 15th -
Don't worry. 10h seems to be a little wonky sometimes. Maybe it's just me but the only way to see is with a new update
On 10h myself. No issues. Wonder what bugs they are referring to.
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On 10h myself. No issues. Wonder what bugs they are referring to.
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Mine just seems to stutter sometimes. Nothing major at all just not as fluid as when I first got it. Not many apps I try and keep them all closed outside of FB
Connected phone to netbook, fired LG bridge and got it right away, been rocking it since yesterday and everything is good.
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Just put it on mine guess we'll see what we get