I think the only way to get Opposition to change their tune is to complain....
Lets see no shared source code for the phone. They somehow let the success go to their heads, and think that it was them who made the OnePlus a success and not the independent community.
Based on their response in the past, the only way they change course is if they see a lot of people complaining.
The funniest thing is that the box says "Created together with our fans <3".
But seriously, we know that you are frustrated about this. But don't post it around. It already happends a lot.
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I think the only way to get Opposition to change their tune is to complain....
Lets see no shared source code for the phone. They somehow let the success go to their heads, and think that it was them who made the OnePlus a success and not the independent community.
Based on their response in the past, the only way they change course is if they see a lot of people complaining.
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I totally disagree. If you don't like the companies behavior or their product you can just buy an iPhone to think different or go for a nice Nokia 5110. Still connecting people those days.
IMHO I think they do a pretty great job for such a small company. The phone has great build quality, superb ingredients, regular software updates and the OS is stable as hell. Just look at that super high end S6 Edge for example. Great piece of metal and glas but laggy as hell compared to our OP2.
For me that's the best smartphone I have had so far and I already shared some invites to some friends and neighbors. And no one so far complained to me about a missing open source git tree.
I agree with you in that way that it would be nice to have CM12 with fingerprint and laser autofocus. But who can blame a company for protecting their work? No big Android manufacturer released their source code as far as I know.
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I totally disagree. If you don't like the companies behavior or their product you can just buy an iPhone to think different or go for a nice Nokia 5110. Still connecting people those days.
IMHO I think they do a pretty great job for such a small company. The phone has great build quality, superb ingredients, regular software updates and the OS is stable as hell. Just look at that super high end S6 Edge for example. Great piece of metal and glas but laggy as hell compared to our OP2.
For me that's the best smartphone I have had so far and I already shared some invites to some friends and neighbors. And no one so far complained to me about a missing open source git tree.
I agree with you in that way that it would be nice to have CM12 with fingerprint and laser autofocus. But who can blame a company for protecting their work? No big Android manufacturer released their source code as far as I know.
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LOL
Seems that those who are happy with stock OS haven't ever tried any custom ROM based on CM
That's how the things should be done!
OP2 stock OS (oxygenOS) is crap, hate it.
When I tap on "Phone" app icon why it takes an app about 1 second to launch? Snapdragon 810, 4 gigs of RAM???
Really? What the heck? My 10 year old Nokia 3230 opens phone app with the same speed.
There are a lot of others examples how this ****ty oxygenOS spoil experience with beautiful hardware.
On AICP, for example, "Phone" app launches instantly.
I really miss FP sometimes, hope with CM13 finger print sensor will become functional.
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jemcik said:
OP2 stock OS (oxygenOS) is crap, hate it.
When I tap on "Phone" app icon why it takes an app about 1 second to launch? Snapdragon 810, 4 gigs of RAM???
Really? What the heck?
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It's the oneplus launcher. Try another launcher like Google, nova or even CM launcher. Oxygen OS is basically stock with some customizations which are quite nice and which have nothing to do with performance. You can tweak it pretty much the same way you'd tweak the stock aosp. You can root it, install xposed, replace kernel. You can achieve a very nice result with Oxygen OS.
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It's the oneplus launcher. Try another launcher like Google, nova or even CM launcher. Oxygen OS is basically stock with some customizations which are quite nice and which have nothing to do with performance. You can tweak it pretty much the same way you'd tweak the stock aosp. You can root it, install xposed, replace kernel. You can achieve a very nice result with Oxygen OS.
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but what about a phone that works well out of the box
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but what about a phone that works well out of the box
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People who buy OnePlus 2 almost always want to customize it. That's the reason OPT is so easily unlockable and rootable. So for them the out of the box state should not be very important. That doesn't mean that OPT doesn't work out of the box. It works very well within my expectations. I think most of the problems with OPT are exaggerated.
But if you don't want to customize anything, but just enjoy the out of the box experience, OPT is not for you. You'd want a Samsung/LG/Sony phone which is locked down, so that its poor users can't escape the out of the box experience.
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People who buy OnePlus 2 almost always want to customize it. That's the reason OPT is so easily unlockable and rootable. So for them the out of the box state should not be very important. That doesn't mean that OPT doesn't work out of the box. It works very well within my expectations. I think most of the problems with OPT are exaggerated.
But if you don't want to customize anything, but just enjoy the out of the box experience, OPT is not for you. You'd want a Samsung/LG/Sony phone which is locked down, so that its poor users can't escape the out of the box experience.
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The thing is, it is not even that amzing for Customizing. Not yet at least. Not until OnePlus or Marshmallow comes along and fixes the LAF and FPS.
Psyscope said:
I think the only way to get Opposition to change their tune is to complain....
Lets see no shared source code for the phone. They somehow let the success go to their heads, and think that it was them who made the OnePlus a success and not the independent community.
Based on their response in the past, the only way they change course is if they see a lot of people complaining.
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See it's simple, OnePlus released enough source code that we could build such a stable CM12
The part where Oneplus can't release code is Autofocus and Fingerprint
Just wait for Marshmallow, since it will use Marshmallow API, we can directly use compiled OOS driver on Cm13 for fingerprint
The only thing I am worried about is LaF
Official Cm 13 is already in work
Check cyanogenmod's Github to see the progress
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Till then use hydrogen os 1.2 its better than oxygen os
alexeiz said:
People who buy OnePlus 2 almost always want to customize it. That's the reason OPT is so easily unlockable and rootable. So for them the out of the box state should not be very important. That doesn't mean that OPT doesn't work out of the box. It works very well within my expectations. I think most of the problems with OPT are exaggerated.
But if you don't want to customize anything, but just enjoy the out of the box experience, OPT is not for you. You'd want a Samsung/LG/Sony phone which is locked down, so that its poor users can't escape the out of the box experience.
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It seems to me there is no pleasing these people so no point in trying to use any form of logic on them. If it was that simple you could just use points like.
1. The 1+ company is brand new and offering amazing phones at unbeatable values.
2. No phone ever rolls off of the line perfect and bug free and usually takes at least 1 year to fix its major flaws.
3. Lollipop is the worst os Google has ever shoved out since the days of froyo.
4. Kernel sources were released super quickly unlike a lot of its competitors.
5. The fact you now got a fast desktop computer that can fit into your pocket is nothing more than simply amazing. When I was a kid in the early 90's just before the internet I had a pulsar computer which had a 16 mhz processor and 64 mb of ram and only had a 5" floppy disk drive. It came with windows 3.1 and only had 32 bit resolution and that was less than 25 years ago.
6. Be patient you cry babies. Didn't realize that a second of your time was the difference between life and death. Not only is the 1+2 not only a perfectly usable phone and everybody's over exaggerating problems with the device but marshmallow is about 10 days away from booting with 3 devs currently working on it.
I mean for Pete's sake I swear you guys would complain if somebody gave you a hundred dollar bill and it had an ink smudge on it.
Bottom line is you get what you pay for, but if your honestly expecting more bang for your buck than what you already have gotten I wish you the best of luck at finding it because when you get it you might find it not as good as you thought it would be. The 64 GB mi3 version of my phone ran about the same price as the 1+2 does now with a quad core sd801 and miui. Well it's been 2 years now and it only took them over 1 year to release kernel sources, miui has weekly updates that run on KitKat and are still really buggy, it lags down past 20 fps in 3d testing, the screen reacts before I even touch it if I don't have a screen protector on it, the radio in my phone is equivalent to the first gen iPhone (I usually sit between 2 and 3 bars out of 5 while my brothers 1+2 I had just bought for him sits at 3 to 5 it averages 4 bars mainly however it pegs out 5 bars just as often as it drops to 3 bars (I've never seen his lose signal for even a second). My phone will lose signal just driving down the road at times in the wide open rolling plains while his does not traveling in the same vehicle) so trust me for a Chinese phone you invested your money fairly well.
Sorry akexeiz I trailed off there while agreeing with you and got carried away but it needed to be said.
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So, I've owned only Android devices since I began buying smartphones and tablets, but I really feel like very little has changed with regards to Android's performance ever since the Snapdragon 800 in 2013. Even the addition of more RAM and higher-spec processors hasn't really changed much about the AOSP experience, and my old (GPE-converted) Galaxy S4 still feels like I could throw most anything at it.
With the Nexus 6P finally bringing the last few things I really wanted in a mobile phone (the fingerprint sensor, metal, 1440p AMOLED, pure Android without compromising the camera, USB-C), I'm really thinking that this may be my last Android phone for a long while. I feel like, while equally unnecessary, the N6P will offer the pinnacle of stock Android, while rounding out the feature set of all I look for. I was debating whether to cheap out and buy a N5X for dev and general mucking about, but I think I will instead commit to getting the 6P for the above reasons.
My last upgrade to the G3 was almost unnecessary, even though I love the phone. I only upgraded, since my S4's power button broke and headphone jack got a bit wonky. Had that not happened, I think I'd be still using it today as my DD. I didn't even feel the itch to upgrade to any of this year's devices (except the Nexus phones and the buzz around the fp sensor and camera), and I've already had the device for more than a year.
While it may be an unpopular opinion around these parts, I think I may switch to an iPhone (probably the 7+) when my contract is up just to see how that platform improves over the next couple of years. A second GB of RAM totally changed that phone, which shows just how behind they are in some aspects, and where potential lies. I just don't see Android making any earth-shattering changes, mostly because it doesn't need to anymore. OEMs drive their own crap update cycle by bogging down their updates and the like, a problem which never existed on my GPE-converted S4, and won't exist on the Nexus.
Don't really know why I felt like making this post, but I did. :silly:
I agree with you on certain points.
But remember,
my old (GPE-converted) Galaxy S4 still feels like I could throw most anything at it.
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You did something to your phone in order to be fast / smooth / etc. While we as a community continue to do this and find ways to improve everything.. Android (stock) has come a long way.
I'm really thinking that this may be my last Android phone for a long while.
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You reasoning for this is there is nothing really new on Android and Android phones haven't really evolved much but the same goes for iOS. This coming from someone who keeps going back and forth from Android to iOS. iOS is much more polished and needs less specs to run smooth, but you also have to remember they only have to worry about support their own hardware. And while yes, there has been phone upgrades from Apple (bigger screen, etc.), this is stuff Android has been doing for a long time.
It's kind of hard honestly.. after a certain point.. development / upgrades happen slower.. when jumping from phone to phone now, things don't seem like much of an upgrade. I think that's because we upgrade phones so often now, we don't notice the differences as much. But say you had to keep your S4 for another year without the ability to root / install a custom ROM, I'm sure you'd be all over the N6P.
While XDA has made Android development much bigger and contributed in a positive way, it has also kind of spoiled us and made us think the way you are.
For me the big things that keep me on android are customization and the ability to do what I want with the phone (not what Apple or anyone else wants me to do). I would love to say this would be my last phone for a while but 2 things will prevent that....
1. I'm a tech junkie
2. Android support is 2 years
Well, the LG G3 isnt the best phone... you'll probably like the Nexus 6P a LOT!
I said that with the Nexus 6. I might still keep the Nexus 6 but I'm at least going to give the 6P a shot.
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I'm not far behind but not because Android vs Apple but because my life centers around MS products. I work in IT, exclusively with MS products. Why is my mobile device on a different ecosystem?
I'm excited for what MS has in store for their APIs that allow ios and Android apps to behave as if they're in their natural environment. I think this approach is going to flatten the playing field and OS will no longer matter.
Now if they could just make tech without built in obsolescion the market will start filling with devices that have purpose instead of purely consumerism. There WILL be a threshold of device waste that will force our hand.
Excel made some good points. And I too felt the same about not seeing much improvement from my phone but the continuous development thru ROMs makes it seems like the progress is small but it not....if you tally up the progress over the 1 year iPhone life cycle it is a lot of progress.
Google has too many things going on and unfortunately doesn't take the time to perfect their products except their search engine. They rather create a new product versus refining an existing one.
Imagine if google only had drive, no gmail, no G+, a tablet, one PC, and Android that ran on a single phone from one manufacturer....say LG. And Kept that same phone and just improved the hardware each year and the software as well....and diverted all other efforts towards perfecting that single device. That phone would be light years ahead of apple. Instead google has close to 200 products and services they wear themselves thin with. And tackling the immense task of attempting to make android run seemless and smooth on
Almost 19,000 devices instead of on just a handful of devices plus one phone is the difference between google and apple.
With that said and even with google continuing to expand like they do....I still think Google's android os running on top tier android devices will surpass IPhones in all aspects in couple years.
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Exel said:
You did something to your phone in order to be fast / smooth / etc. While we as a community continue to do this and find ways to improve everything.. Android (stock) has come a long way.
You reasoning for this is there is nothing really new on Android and Android phones haven't really evolved much but the same goes for iOS. This coming from someone who keeps going back and forth from Android to iOS. iOS is much more polished and needs less specs to run smooth, but you also have to remember they only have to worry about support their own hardware. And while yes, there has been phone upgrades from Apple (bigger screen, etc.), this is stuff Android has been doing for a long time
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Partially correct on the first point. It is fundamentally still "stock" (no kernel mods/custom features) on GPE firmware, but yes, I haven't tried stock since the original shipping firmware. I haven't rooted my phones since putting GPE on the S4. My Nexus 9, the G3, and the S4 all run unrooted, the former two of which are on stock firmware. The biggest pain about Android is debloating carrier crapware, a problem nonexistent on Nexus devices.
I feel like Android has matured to the point that there is little left to give. As far as supporting their own stuff, that's why I feel like the N6P would be the ultimate.
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For me the big things that keep me on android are customization and the ability to do what I want with the phone (not what Apple or anyone else wants me to do). I would love to say this would be my last phone for a while but 2 things will prevent that....
1. I'm a tech junkie
2. Android support is 2 years
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I agree, but customisation is so easy to do on Android without mods or root. The only other phone I was considering was the S6 edge +, which is also comparably restrictive. I just haven't felt the need to root since the S4.
An iPhone, on the other hand, I would be keen to jailbreak instantly. Quite a lot of interesting tweaks come out of Apple's "crack R&D team" (like swipeselection....), and jailbreaking is the only way to stay on that edge and get appropriate customisation.
I would also be using pretty much solely Google apps there anyway, since the default apps are kinda terrible.
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Google has too many things going on and unfortunately doesn't take the time to perfect their products except their search engine. They rather create a new product versus refining an existing one.
Imagine if google only had drive, no gmail, no G+, a tablet, one PC, and Android that ran on a single phone from one manufacturer....That phone would be light years ahead of apple. Instead google has close to 200 products and services they wear themselves thin with.
With that said and even with google continuing to expand like they do....I still think Google's android os running on top tier android devices will surpass IPhones in all aspects in couple years.
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But the diversity is the beauty of Google. The fact that they move the ecosystem forward and have a constant stream of novelty across their business is what helps them succeed. Android itself doesn't really need more improvement, is my argument. It's already there, and their job is to create new services to drive the platform.
Android as an OS already far exceeds that of iOS IMO, especially with Google Now. What I want to see is how Apple catches , since their platform seems to still be in flux (as far as performance and service delivery goes).
You'll change your mind when they release the Nexus 14z, which will project it's 16k display directly to your brain, and be able to read your thoughts instead of having to speak "OK Google".
I'm serious, because Google will have perfected mind control by then and we'll all be drones.
All hail Masters Page and Brin, our merciful overlords!
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Seriously though, I admire your pragmatic upgrade preferences on smartphones.
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But the diversity is the beauty of Google. The fact that they move the ecosystem forward and have a constant stream of novelty across their business is what helps them succeed. Android itself doesn't really need more improvement, is my argument. It's already there, and their job is to create new services to drive the platform.
Android as an OS already far exceeds that of iOS IMO, especially with Google Now. What I want to see is how Apple catches , since their platform seems to still be in flux (as far as performance and service delivery goes).
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I agree with you the software is better but implementing all the services via the OS on a multitude of devices is a difficult task. However starting with this 6P nexus devices I think are on par with iPhone (hardware and software) and I bet will surpass the iPhone 7 next year.
I just wish they worked with one manufacturer to help perfect the hardware and built on a good hardware design instead of going back and forth with with hardware features and designs .....kinda like the 5x with 6P features.
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If the 6P lives up to the hype, the improvements left are physics stuff: battery life, moar camera, lighter/thinner/stronger, waterproof, sapphire display.
That said, iPhones have been such a bitter disappointment since the Gingerbread days. I'm on Apple for the most part (MBr, iMac 5k) and would consider switching to iOS but the differentiators that custom Androids offer simply aren't there, or even possible. The current crop of crippled hardware is missing too much. When Apple makes a real retina display (eg AMOLED 2k) and loses the oversized HTC-ish bezels it'll be worth another look. Assuming Apple gives out widgets, call recording & MinMinGuard too.
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For a Nexus device the support window is 3 years. N5 is 2 years old and just recieved Android 6.0. It will continue to get updates for atleast another full year. Unfortunately that is likely to end when android N comes next fall.
Interesting that this phone has everything you ever wanted. Did you know you wanted a 1440p phone with a fingerprint scanner 2 years ago? Probably not. I'm sure innovation will continue, though maybe slowly. I'd like to see better battery tech.
This is how the technology cycle is. You cant have the same level of developments every year throughout the products/os cycle.
I believe many of the features we see added are already developed. They just hold back so they can have a balance of Big n small changes each year & also market couple of features as exclusives for the latest version.
It is the same with iOs as well. You will not see a lot of big changes. Many of them will be hardware based. As os's get more refined hardware dependency will reduce. Today you can get excellent performance from a mid range android device. Tomorrow it will spread to lower end devices aswell. In principal its a good thing.
Right now the top most focus for any R&D of software or hardware company is battery life. The company that cracks it will play a major role.
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Really? People are still hung up on sapphire? Sapphire is brittle. I want foldable screens. I still believe Nokia's concept of a phone that trifolds and then bends to fit as a watch is the future. No more carrying a giant brick in my pocket.
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For a Nexus device the support window is 3 years. N5 is 2 years old and just recieved Android 6.0. It will continue to get updates for atleast another full year. Unfortunately that is likely to end when android N comes next fall.
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True... I guess for me I mean 2 years of getting a new android version but yeah technically 3 years support I suppose.
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Well, the LG G3 isnt the best phone... you'll probably like the Nexus 6P a LOT!
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A G3 running BlissPop ROM is truly a thing of beauty! It's incredibly compact and lightweight for a 5.5" phone, and it flies without the LG software on it. It has a great camera (a step behind the current best, but I've had very few pictures I wasn't very happy with), and the screen as much better than it's reputation indicates it should be ... mostly, I think, because the default brightness is quite low. And the battery life is quite good ... I end most days with 50% after about 1.5 hours of SOT.
I'm mostly upgrading to the 6P because I usually buy a new phone every 6-9 months, but it's been 14 months and I need a new shiny object to fondle. I'm honestly not expecting it to be a whole lot better than the G3 for me ... better screen, better speakers (I hope) and a fingerprint reader may or may not be enough to compensate for the substantial increase in bulk. I had a Note 5 for a week, and it just didn't feel like much of an improvement so I sent it back, which I have never done before.
And my G3 has a replaceable battery, and I could probably be happy with it for 5 more years, if I wasn't such a gadget whore.
Of course I certainly don't think an iPhone is the answer .... that's just ridiculous!
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Here's an idea...try to find a friend with an iPhone who would be willing to trade with you for a week or something. Wipe the phones, trade your SIMs and see how the other side lives.
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Though it had it's issues, the Nexus 6 strong enough in all the categories that I stuck with it for a full year. The only thing strong enough to pull me away now is the 6P. I fully expect it to keep me locked in for the next year as well. However, it could be good enough that I don't feel the need to upgrade to next year's nexus. Only time will tell.
Ok so I've had enough of sammy phones. now i am planning to buy opt to be honest this is the only phone in my view right now.
but i read a lot about "home" and "fingerprint" not working or stopped working in few weeks or so.
i have a two questions regarding opt.
Should i buy this smartphone? If so why?
Is fingerprint and home button issue related to software or hardware?
its a good phone for the price. Development and updates are gonna come soon now, so you almost picked the perfect time. My fingerprint and homebutton has always been working fine and all I did was unlock, root and install some kernels for now. I think the problems are hardware related though. To be honest. If you can affort it, definitely go for a nexus 6p.
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im planning also to get this device, im confused if the 1+2 or the Redmi Note 3 pro.
It depends if you want a clean stock Android interface go for opt, if you want miui then go for mi note pro 3.
I personally would go for opt.
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Avoid it. I sold my OPT after 6 months. Fingerprint doesn't work as soon as any moisture touches it. No real developer interest - looks at the threads to see all the devs who left. The price used to be a great draw until the Nexus price drops. And at the end of the day, nothing will fix the SD 810 which is an overheating mess. It just doesn't work.
If price matters, get the N5X. If you want the best phone right now, get the S7 Edge.
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Ok so I've had enough of sammy phones. now i am planning to buy opt to be honest this is the only phone in my view right now.
but i read a lot about "home" and "fingerprint" not working or stopped working in few weeks or so.
i have a two questions regarding opt.
Should i buy this smartphone? If so why?
Is fingerprint and home button issue related to software or hardware?
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unless you get a used one on swappa or ebay for a deal, don't get it. I sold mine, Oxygen OS is terrible and even though there are custom roms where FP and LAF work, they are buggy. Wait for the Oneplus 3 or settle back for the original Oneplus One.
Love my OPT bought it in october and dont understand all the hate. Great overall experience. I ise exodus rom no bugs at all. But again all user choice. ?
Nexus 5 over heats way more than this device. fp and laf works perfect for me (only tested cm13 and exodus, though)
It's a great device, just buy it and dont think about it. The fingerprint Sensor is working awesome, much faster than the iPhone one. With the 3.0 update everything runs buttery smooth
I'd say it's really a gamble if you're buying the OPT since their tech support is flaky at best. The hardware specs are reasonable for the price and there are some good devs out there like Lord Boeffla and his kernel, however you will also have huge issues if your phone develops hardware problems. For example - some owners have setup a twitter account recently to badger Oneplus as they can't get any response from the local and official support channels after encountering hardware issues. I'd suggest taking the Nexus 5x instead as it is around the Oneplus price range and LG is a much larger and established company which will take RMA and support issues seriously.
my oneplus2 just arrived
I gotta say OS 3.0 on my OPT made the phone a million times better. Everything is super fast now and FP is even faster. Better life is much better now with 3.0. Before the update I wanted to throw the phone at the wall for all lags
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Won't suggest, better to go for a lower powered phone instead for the price.
Spec sheets are not everything
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Go for it.
I too am going to be getting myself a opt next week. I've been pretty loyal to samsung in general owned a nexus 6 but still came back. I'm selling the note 4 so effectively getting opt free.
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I gotta say OS 3.0 on my OPT made the phone a million times better. Everything is super fast now and FP is even faster. Better life is much better now with 3.0. Before the update I wanted to throw the phone at the wall for all lags
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Exactly my expreience as well. With the OOS 3.0 beta it's like a completely new phone. It doesn't get warm at all, the performance is actually what you would expect from a Snapdragon 810 and the battery life is what you would expect from 3300mAh. It was always kind of held back by the ****ty software but with the 3.0 beta working really well and official cyanogenmod on the way, I can't think of a better phone at this price.
I've had my OP2 since they were first released, and have to say I'm still really happy with it. As mentioned by others, OOS3 (and the recent CM13 builds) have made performance 10 times better, and have no major complaints. Never had any problems with the home button or anything else. It's a steal at the price, imo
Don't buy it. Unless they've changed their design around the home button/FP, its going to fail.
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Don't buy it. Unless they've changed their design around the home button/FP, its going to fail.
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Based on?
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Based on?
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Based on mine failing as well as a crap ton of others on this forum and oneplus community forum in the past month. I've raised this with OnePlus and they brushed it off, however they are RMA'ing my phone.
Trust me, I tried all the software tricks none of them worked for me.
Hi all,
I am at a bit of a loss here. I am an avid Nexus user (see sig below) though i want to like the OnePlus 2 though i keep reading horror stories and concerns about throttling, charging and performance issues over time. It's like they made an awesome phone though failed with the software implementation.
I am hoping like a lot of issues on devices that the XDA community has addressed these problems with a nice Custom ROM..
Can people give me some honest feedback regarding their experiences? I have read a lot of reviews though its all using the Factory ROM. I want to know how good the device can be with a good community rom.
Please let me know thanks very much.
Buy a 6P or wait for the new nexus, really looking forward to get rid of my OPT.
oneplus2 far much better than 5X
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Buy a 6P or wait for the new nexus, really looking forward to get rid of my OPT.
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6P is too big and too expensive. Why don't you like it?
Between 5x and op2
Op2 any day.. Much better than 5x
Op2 FTW.
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6P is too big and too expensive. Why don't you like it?
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OTP I've had too many small and big problems and bugs, I mean, the phone is usable but doesn't live up to it's specs and hype, software is the worst part of all, and if you are already a nexus user you will find annoying to wait for new versions of Android, also if you're into custom roms you should always stick to nexus.
And de 5X is too expensive for it's built and specs.
I mean personally I would think of other options, the Nexbit Robin seems really nice, or you can wait for the new phones that are coming.
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OTP I've had too many small and big problems and bugs, I mean, the phone is usable but doesn't live up to it's specs and hype, software is the worst part of all, and if you are already a nexus user you will find annoying to wait for new versions of Android, also if you're into custom roms you should always stick to nexus.
And de 5X is too expensive for it's built and specs.
I mean personally I would think of other options, the Nexbit Robin seems really nice, or you can wait for the new phones that are coming.
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You cannot go wrong with a Nexus - I am a OP 1 and 2 user. Came from Nexus 5(which still works).
OP2 now has everything working Custom ROM's but there are still niggles, which do not hamper you daily use. Community support is almost at par with Nexus. Fingerprint scanner is a bit fickle, I am having mine RMA'ed right now.
On the other hand... 5x is way to expensive for the specs being offered.. You could wait for new lineup this summer.. OP3, Motorola etc..
Obviously opt unless you want to settle for a less specifications mobile device for a higher price.
OP2 has better everything except OTAs which can be fixed with cyanogenmod. I'd pick up the OP2 or wait for the next nexus line.
Op2 is an awesome phone, just flash the latest hydrogen os build on it and compare it with a 5x... Everything in op2 is better even the camera...
Nexus 5X price is a joke. I would buy a N5 for 150$ before N5X lol
I wouldnt buy a phone with 2gb of ram and snapdragon 808 in 2016 anyways
I am also very satisfied with my 2. It just works rocking solid. And it has the best fingerprint Sensor out there, i really love it! So fast and accurate if you set it up correct.
But if i were you, i would wait for the 3. It should be out in july, so its not that long. If you want a phone now, just get the 2
got them both.
op2 has better specs.
5x feels cheaper, cooler, charges faster, has lower memory, lower ram, single sim and has a smaller screen.
both last 4-5hrs sot on my daily usage
personally i have my OPT on sale and have considered getting the nexus 5X instead (been some price drops here in uk). mainly because the OPT software is horrible, heats up quick, sluggish performance on stock rom, even though custom roms significantly improve the device its still doesnt feel like a flagship, i.e. some lag and small bugs here and there. in comparison my dads redmi note 3 and sisters OPO feel faster and snappier in comparison and in my side by side usage there both are smoother while scrolling.
also another thing ... people go crazy about specs and wanting a phone with the best possible hardware but they are forgetting the main thing the user experience. The oneplus 2 is culprit of this as it has the best specs but software is horrible that you are forced to use a custom rom
5x if the price is cheaper depending on your available sources. OPT very prone to fingerprint sensor failure and the RMA process apparently has been a nightmare to those unlucky enough to need a replacement or even any kind of hardware technical support really.
Go with anything other than OPT i regret now buying opt instead of Moto X variants or Nexus variant.
There is little to no support from the company for updates and they dont even release source code in time.
XDA community is there true but still isnt on par with devices who has their source code released.
It's been posted but compare the two and see what ya come out with.. On paper the OP2 is the better phone. I'm glad I got mine. I was down to the Nexus 6 or OP2 and I'm glad I did.
I'm sure your gonna root the thing.. So CM and updates will flow... So yeah.. Get the OP2
And despite what you have been told.. Oxygen 3.0 is a damn nice ROM. I was a slim ROM freak and I'm satisfied and very happy with MM update.. Yeah it's beta but it's rock solid.
Hell.. I would get a OPO over the 5X
Wait for new device.
A lot of users thinks oneplus2 is failed in China, me too.
Wish Oneplus3 will be better.
I am still with my OPT just because of the ability to use two SIM cards. That's just way more practical for combining work+private SIM. Atleast I prefer it over having to take two phones with me.
So if it wasn't for that, I would still be using my Nexus 5X, since there's just way better software support.
I hope the OnePlus 3 will change that.
I'm not liking the design at all.
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I'm not liking the design at all.
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No... Not at all
My op2 didn't even complete a year
I change phones at least after 2 years of use
So maybe will look forward for op4
OP is going to release the final OxygenOS MM and maybe they will release also the OPT's Android 6 Device Tree, I don't think OP3 will be a great choice if they doesn't release Device Tree ASAP, cause modding needs it.
So, yep OP3 has a better hardware, I like that design, but OPT is still a good device. With OPT complete Device Tree we will get a fully working MultiROM, better custom roms, better customizations...And I don't want to face again the lack of sources on a device.
My next device? Maybe a Nexus.
Doesn't look overly inspiring to me. That said, there's nothing else on the market at the moment I'm that interested in.
Was the 6gb version just speculation, then? I quite liked the idea, even though that's a completely pointless amount of RAM to have on a phone
Wouldnt buy a phone with its specs for more than 300€. Considering OnePlus 3 will ship with android lollipop lol
This phone is good enough until 2018 or so if OnePlus release MM sources or update to N (dreaming)
Here is the link:
http://shouji.tenaa.com.cn/mobile/M...=rtlwD3LZsDCqCB2mAZCLI6RQHe0jz4rS9Xxlj9TaoC8=
i will go for the op4, the only thing i dont like about the op2 is the heat sometimes (lets see how its going on summer )
I'll give it a go. I was happy with the op2, dodgy battery life but a good camera on a sub £300 phone with 64gb storage. At the end of the day that's enough for doing daily stuff.
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Oneplus never again. I'm still waiting them to release the sources
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I would stick with OP2. There is not much difference in the specs department of the two phones. And once the kernel sources are released for MM, the development will flourish and I don't think we would have to wait so long for CM 14 like we did for CM 13. Also, I would refrain from buying OP devices and would simply go for nexus.
The main thing I like about my OP2 is that it has its own individual design and stands out from the crowd. The OP3 looks like any other phone out there. I think this is a bad move on oneplus's part.
Hopefully they'll realise their mistake and go back to what they do best with the OP4. Based on the leaked specs it's not worth upgrading from the OP2 anyway.
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I love the wooden backcovers on my OP2, one of the reasons I bought it and OP3 doesnt seem to have changeable backcovers. So no OP3 for me, if the leaked design is real.
Also now when eSIM seems to be on the rise, soon there won't be any need for phones with multiple SIM slots to have support for multiple phone providers. Instead we can have support for multiple SD-cards instead ?
No sandstone, no upgrade...
Its under 400$ ill upgrade ... I like the design it's op2+htc10 = op3
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The main thing I like about my OP2 is that it has its own individual design and stands out from the crowd. The OP3 looks like any other phone out there. I think this is a bad move on oneplus's part.
Hopefully they'll realise their mistake and go back to what they do best with the OP4. Based on the leaked specs it's not worth upgrading from the OP2 anyway
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Agreed. I really like the design of the OP2. If I wanted a phone that looked like an HTC, I'd buy an HTC.
Hello,
I'm thinking of buying a small phone, since I find it uncomfortable those that exceed 5 inches.
I was watching and analyzing those who have good battery, camera and features and I think the best that there are currently on the market are these 2: the Iphone SE and the Sony X Compact.
I'm not going to use it for games of any kind. What I most look for is that it has good battery life, a good rear camera (selfies do not bag) and, if possible, you can hear well with the headphones on.
Obvious that it is 2 different operating systems and, leaving aside that, since I like to use IOS or Android, from their own experience, comments or whatever: with which would they stay?
From now, thank you for you help!!
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Hello,
I'm thinking of buying a small phone, since I find it uncomfortable those that exceed 5 inches.
I was watching and analyzing those who have good battery, camera and features and I think the best that there are currently on the market are these 2: the Iphone SE and the Sony X Compact.
I'm not going to use it for games of any kind. What I most look for is that it has good battery life, a good rear camera (selfies do not bag) and, if possible, you can hear well with the headphones on.
Obvious that it is 2 different operating systems and, leaving aside that, since I like to use IOS or Android, from their own experience, comments or whatever: with which would they stay?
From now, thank you for you help!!
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I haven't ever owned an SE so I can't really comment on it vs the compact. However I do know that the compact has more picture storage potential due to the SD Card slot (SE doesn't have one). The SE uses a 12 megapixel shooter vs the Compact using a 23. I am note a huge taking pictures kinda guy so no complaints from me on the camera but I guess that's not saying much. Anyway below is a link to a video comparing the two. It's a little outdated as it has the compact running marshmallow (it has Nougat now) but does a decent job of comparing the two. https://youtu.be/U5g7LTCJqaY
Sony. Water resistance, SDcard. That's about it lol.
The SE may perform smoother as it is powered by the 6S internals.
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If you're not bothered about customizing then buy an iPhone, if you want customization then buy any Android.
iphone fails
- missing notification led
- no customizing and no jailbreak in sight, closed source system
- no slight to unlock (stupid doubble press home button to unlock since apple removed slide to unlock)
- less ram, no sd card, memory not expandable
- 1600 mAh vs 2700 mAh and no quick charge
- smaller display hurts your eyes,
- ligning connector incompatible (how many cables do we need ?)
- easy scratches on alu frame,
- banana bending,
- design from 2012
- steve jobs is dead
etc
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How is the dev community for this phone though?
There doesn't seem to be any official Lineago OS builds and only one AOSP ROM ...
I would buy this phone in a heartbeat with Lineage OS support but without it seems like one would be dependent on one single developer for ROMs on this phone.
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How is the dev community for this phone though?
There doesn't seem to be any official Lineago OS builds and only one AOSP ROM ...
I would buy this phone in a heartbeat with Lineage OS support but without it seems like one would be dependent on one single developer for ROMs on this phone.
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You are welcome to join the dev community and help to bring LineageOS to this device. Otherwise buy yourself a Nexus...
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You are welcome to join the dev community and help to bring LineageOS to this device. Otherwise buy yourself a Nexus...
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Nexus phones have ****ty hardware, so no thank you. Then I will get an iPhone.
Don't need a phone with a manufacturing defect that has thousands of phones failing and Google telling you that you are sadly 21 days out of warranty.
Problem solved
I have owned both of them and I found the iPhone SE to be the absolute perfect size for 1 hand use. The X Compact is good but there are still times where the opposite corner can be hard to reach. The SE also feels great in hand and is built with high quality materials. I inevitably returned mine and got a X Compact instead. They are both great phones and if OS doesn't matter to you, I would go with the SE, but I personally prefer Android and it's customization so I returned it.
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iphone fails
- less ram, no sd card, memory not expandable-
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Well you're comparing two different Systems, iOS doesn't require as much RAM as Android.
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Well you're comparing two different Systems, iOS doesn't require as much RAM as Android.
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maybe in the old days, but have you seen IOS 10.3 on the SE today ? Compared to the SE the XC performs much better
and the iphone 7+ is shipped with 3gb for a good reason
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maybe in the old days, but have you seen IOS 10.3 on the SE today ? Compared to the SE the XC performs much better
and the iphone 7+ is shipped with 3gb for a good reason
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haha honestly I haven't seen an iPhone since 2012, maybe you're right
I own both, they both have positives and negatives. I actively swap between the two because of that! The iPhone is smooth and beautiful, great quality hardware, but iOS feels much more restricted and the screen is very small (even for a small phone fan like myself). Camera is awesome; super quality and quick in all conditions, although selfie camera is only 1.2mp. Not that big a deal though since the pics still look good. X compact on the other hand has a much more vibrant screen which is bigger (but not too big!), very snappy and excellent performance compared to other androids, the system is overall much more customizable, great camera too with wider lens and better selfies. But overall the phone feels cheaper in hand (plastic body), and like all android phones it doesn't have the super polished behaviour, look and feel of apple. As I said, positives and negatives for both! For me I use Google Apps for everything, which is more restricted on iphone obviously, and I like being able to read news clearly on my commute on the larger brighter screen, so I use the x compact more. But sometimes I go back to the iPhone se just because of the smooth shiny experience
Hello, I really wanted a powerful and fast phone with clean interface, so I bought an iPhone 7 as the first non-Android phone in 7 years, so I'm very experienced with Android. I just wasn't impressed with with the Pixel for it's price. I also have a SE. I need some functionality in Android that's missing on the 7 and looking for a companion small phone that I can alternate with if needed, so I'm looking to get rid of my SE to fund for the Compact.
What I do learn from using iOS is that it's more primitive than I thought, despite the clean smooth experience. Somethings are just a joke on it I don't know how they get away with it when millions people are paying for it. But it has it's benefits as well, I do enjoy the A10 chip performance and not spending many hours to setup my phone. And some things just work better, like the Fine my iPhone. On the Honor 8, I could just bypass that lost phone screen . I see too many bugs on Android with skinned devices, and giant devices, which made me really tired of dealing with them. The Pixel just doesn't do it for me in term of pricing, all the issues I'm hearing about, the availability. I would say the Android market abandoned me, not the other way around, and this pushed me to iPhone.
My last Sony phone was the Xperia Play. I'm hoping the current Sony's OS is not too far away from stock Android.
I bought the X Compact for my wife as a Christmas gift - the other phone I was looking at was the iPhone SE.
After she tried out a loaner iPhone for about three weeks she decided she preferred Android, chiefly due to more free apps being available/costing less than the iOS version.
From everything I gathered from the numerous reviews, it essentially comes down to which platform you prefer. The iPhone SE has a slightly better camera in low light (night), but that looked like the only hardware advantage. If you go with the x-compact, try to wait until B&H photo has it on sale for $270. It's done that 3 times in the last five months.
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iphone fails
- no customizing and no jailbreak in sight, closed source system
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I was also seriously considering the SE, but that is the big reason I got the X compact. The Sony open devices program is a major plus for me. I look forward to actually owning my own device and have freedom of messing around with it, maybe even trying out Jolla's SailfishOS when it's available.
The only thing that concerns me about Android is there seems to be vulnerabilities exposed on the net or viruses (adware that calls back to someone's server in the background and monitors SMS messages) through legitimate apps.. seems there's a security flaw announced once a week. How is development for security patches on it, given the frequency of malware?
Not sure about ios but I kinda like having open source android., So long as devs are on top of things and not just adding feature fluff.
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The only thing that concerns me about Android is there seems to be vulnerabilities exposed on the net or viruses (adware that calls back to someone's server in the background and monitors SMS messages) through legitimate apps.. seems there's a security flaw announced once a week. How is development for security patches on it, given the frequency of malware?
Not sure about ios but I kinda like having open source android., So long as devs are on top of things and not just adding feature fluff.
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Android now have built in permission management so you can deny that app from accessing your personal info. It would be nice to have a built in feature to block internet access outright, but generally only MIUI based roms have that. I don't see it as an issue aside from people who download dubious apps or sideloading from questionable sources.
If you are that concerned you should get a phone that is promised monthly security updates, which is a Google Pixel. https://source.android.com/security/bulletin/ I was surprised the X Compact (international version) have timely monthly security updates.
I would say the closed source nature of iOS potentially makes it more insecure, with open source at least you have much more developers looking at it and alerting the issues.
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Android now have built in permission management so you can deny that app from accessing your personal info. It would be nice to have a built in feature to block internet access outright, but generally only MIUI based roms have that. I don't see it as an issue aside from people who download dubious apps or sideloading from questionable sources.
If you are that concerned you should get a phone that is promised monthly security updates, which is a Google Pixel. https://source.android.com/security/bulletin/ I was surprised the X Compact (international version) have timely monthly security updates.
I would say the closed source nature of iOS potentially makes it more insecure, with open source at least you have much more developers looking at it and alerting the issues.
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It'd have been easier to state that the XC already gets monthly (security) updates as the GP, but I digress. This is good, probably better than most manufacturers in that regard. My last phone was a buy once, throwaway after a couple months because Huawei decides "Want latest Android, your phone is obsolete -- buy a new Mate instead". Before folks say "Wait, they update their Mate line now!" - watch a "beta" ROM come online from Huawei after a year of not releasing any updates for months (once new phones are around the corner), the poof, scrapped ROM/patch (and now your phone is obsolete/vulnerable) because hey go buy new shiny phone to get the latest "update". It's infuriating, a phone should be "supported" for at least 3 years. Usually the good XDA developers make a phone last much longer than that!