Can anyone else confirm that the G-Talk app no longer works/signs in? Whenever I try signing in, all of my contacts and my own contact are permanently grayed out, despite having internet connectivity (tested both over wifi and cellular). When I tried installing Hangouts, this issue was no longer present, Really sucks because Hangouts is a major step backward from Google Talk for obvious reasons (no status messages, shows people who are away/busy as offline, bloated layout, bloated contacts list, doesn't show online status of people you are chatting with in same window, generally confusing UI, etc.)
Tried on Samsung SM-N900T (T-Mobile Note 3) but I do not believe this issue is device specific.
Thanks.
This is currently happening to me, although it works on a new install of my current ROM. This makes me wonder if a Play Services update (or similar service) killed it intentionally. I'm going to let everything update after a new install, while it's working, and see if it dies.
I'm seeing the same thing. It works if I update to hangouts.... ugh
So now I guess our next step is to figure out what service is killing Talk and revert that as well. Because as I said this works on a new install of my ROM that was built before whatever was pushed.
I don't have a problem with you updating an app - but if you're going to force me to use the updated version, don't strip it of the features that made it great! Looks like Google has officially gone astray from their old slogan of "Don't be evil."
Pandemic187 said:
So now I guess our next step is to figure out what service is killing Talk and revert that as well. Because as I said this works on a new install of my ROM that was built before whatever was pushed.
I don't have a problem with you updating an app - but if you're going to force me to use the updated version, don't strip it of the features that made it great! Looks like Google has officially gone astray from their old slogan of "Don't be evil."
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What phone/version are you using?
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I found the culprit. It's Google Play services, which was updated Nov 5.
Uninstalling the update gives me gtalk connection back, but maps doesn't like it.
Looks like we need to find the apk before the update and prevent it from autoupdating
I can confirm that uninstalling the Google Play Services updates allows Talk to work fine again (Nexus 4). Also that some functions like "improved location" in Maps are asking for this update back.
What I don't really get is that I never enable auto-updates, only pick them manually, and that Talk suddenly stopped working last night. Even though the last Google play services update i did was at least a few weeks ago...sleeper feature? Or is Google Play Services updated anyway in the background? I'm not sure that finding the version prior to the one published on Nov 6th will fix the issue, at least without any drawback...
Google and its f*cked up Hangouts are really pissing me off. Forced updates, forced apps, I'm starting to feel like I'm dealing with Apple here.
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What phone/version are you using?
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Nexus 4. Sorry, thought you would have seen that in my sig. Version 4.2.2-573038 of the app.
Royz1911 said:
Google and its f*cked up Hangouts are really pissing me off. Forced updates, forced apps, I'm starting to feel like I'm dealing with Apple here.
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Agreed. I don't mind even mind the update though. The reason there is forcing involved is because Google removed Talk's most important features and expects us to just deal with it. If things keep going this way, my next phone may very well be an iPhone or a Windows phone. I can't support a company that forces its customers to use featureless junk. Google needs to realize that while it still has the largest chunk of the market, there are two other major players, and they are not invincible by any means.
I'm using imo.im, at least for the time being.
Same here, I´ve noticed that Google Play Services update is the bad guy. The Hangouts (crap) works after the update. I removed the Google play services updates and gtalk worked again bit now the triangle with the exclamation about google play services keeps anoying me.
I´ve noticed on GPS (google play services) update, theere are two new permission requests and one of them is turn on/off network...
I´m sticking with gtalk and the triangle error
Sorry for my english, is not my native language.
Update: After disabling google+ notifications, the triangle on status bar has gone
Ugh. Kit Kat came with this all pre-loaded. I did install the Talk APK but yeah, it can't login. Not sure what I can force-downgrade to get it to work without breaking stuff too badly. Anyone have any ideas?
I really, really can't stand Hangouts. It's not an IM program.
On my Nexus 4, reverting Google play services allows me to use Talk again, but I noticed I am now unable to send mails with the Gmail app. I can receive just fine, but no way to send...anyone having this too (with the factory version of gplay services)?
Also the network icon constantly gets grayed out. It seems to be working fine... Strange though.
I update the gplay services again, no Gmail is too much to ask for me.
I'll use another messenger while waiting for a new gplay services update to come out. Or maybe waiting to get an previous apk that keeps the overall functions working just fine.
I remember when I would proudly feel satisfied with having chosen Google and Android over the rest. Hm not so much today. Wouldn't really quit android, but damn I hate seeing it weakened by those socially-networked-marketing-alterations.
If anyone has a decent backup for gplay services that allows talk AND the rest to work fine, I'll be interested! Gotta say I have the previous version (the one right before the Nov 5th update) in a nandroid bkp, and somehow Talk doesn't work anymore with it.
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On my Nexus 4, reverting Google play services allows me to use Talk again, but I noticed I am now unable to send mails with the Gmail app. I can receive just fine, but no way to send...anyone having this too (with the factory version of gplay services)?
Also the network icon constantly gets grayed out. It seems to be working fine... Strange though.
I update the gplay services again, no Gmail is too much to ask for me.
I'll use another messenger while waiting for a new gplay services update to come out. Or maybe waiting to get an previous apk that keeps the overall functions working just fine.
I remember when I would proudly feel satisfied with having chosen Google and Android over the rest. Hm not so much today. Wouldn't really quit android, but damn I hate seeing it weakened by those socially-networked-marketing-alterations.
If anyone has a decent backup for gplay services that allows talk AND the rest to work fine, I'll be interested! Gotta say I have the previous version (the one right before the Nov 5th update) in a nandroid bkp, and somehow Talk doesn't work anymore with it.
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First off, I have suffered from the same issue but found a solution. Secondly everyone should be aware that it depends on the Android version you are currently running if the Google Play Services can be downgraded without an issue. The best version that works with talk, maps & gmail is 4.0.31... if anyone needs a copy let me know! -RFE
I can confirm this issue... It is rather frustrating that I now have to use hangouts.
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Can anyone else confirm that the G-Talk app no longer works/signs in? Whenever I try signing in, all of my contacts and my own contact are permanently grayed out, despite having internet connectivity (tested both over wifi and cellular). When I tried installing Hangouts, this issue was no longer present, Really sucks because Hangouts is a major step backward from Google Talk for obvious reasons (no status messages, shows people who are away/busy as offline, bloated layout, bloated contacts list, doesn't show online status of people you are chatting with in same window, generally confusing UI, etc.)
Tried on Samsung SM-N900T (T-Mobile Note 3) but I do not believe this issue is device specific.
Thanks.
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you can try Google Hangout ong CHPLAY!
Talk seems to be working again since the latest Play Services update. At least it does on my phone (LG G2).
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Talk seems to be working again since the latest Play Services update. At least it does on my phone (LG G2).
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Still not working for me. No idea if we'll even get that update on Kit Kat. What version do you see?
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Still not working for me. No idea if we'll even get that update on Kit Kat. What version do you see?
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4.0.33
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4.0.33
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Darn, same version here, but gtalk still won't login ): Might be a kitkat thing.
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I found the culprit. It's Google Play services, which was updated Nov 5.
Uninstalling the update gives me gtalk connection back, but maps doesn't like it.
Looks like we need to find the apk before the update and prevent it from autoupdating
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I have the Samsung Galaxy S2 and the S4. On my S2 Google Talk works and on my S4 it doesn't. The both have the updated version of Google Play Service. So as for me that's not the solution.
I'm still trying to figure out a way for Talk to work on my S4.
Hangouts has grown on me. It was a bit bulky at first, but the UI is the same as Gmail and the new email app for 4.4 so I've gotten used to it. Plus now it can handle SMS messaging too its essential.
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Hangouts has grown on me. It was a bit bulky at first, but the UI is the same as Gmail and the new email app for 4.4 so I've gotten used to it. Plus now it can handle SMS messaging too its essential.
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It just doesn't do what I want it to do. I don't want all my contacts mixed in the same basket. IM contacts, email contacts, gmail contacts and phone/SMS contacts are NOT the same pool and I don't want them to be in the same pool. I want to be able to logout of IM and have people in the IM pool NOT BE ABLE TO CONTACT ME, for example - and right now I don't even have that anymore even if I never ever use Hangouts (which I don't). People can IM me when I'm offline and it goes to gmail and sits there for a week or two until I open gmail.
Again, I have no problem with Hangouts as The Big Social Integrator, but they should've left Talk out there for those of us who do not WANT it all integrated.
I've got various Google apps running on my Fire HDX - Gmail, Google calendar, and so on. Last week I started seeing a notification that Gmail wanted a new version of Play Services, but I know that the latest Play Services (or any version past 7.099, I think it is) doesn't run on the HDX. So I downgraded Gmail, and it's happy.
However, another app I use, Business Calendar 2, is no longer updating itself properly. Since it piggybacks on Google Calendar, my theory is that it wants something in the new version of Services. Which I can't run.
Any ideas, short of replacing the stock ROM?
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I've got various Google apps running on my Fire HDX - Gmail, Google calendar, and so on. Last week I started seeing a notification that Gmail wanted a new version of Play Services, but I know that the latest Play Services (or any version past 7.099, I think it is) doesn't run on the HDX. So I downgraded Gmail, and it's happy.
However, another app I use, Business Calendar 2, is no longer updating itself properly. Since it piggybacks on Google Calendar, my theory is that it wants something in the new version of Services. Which I can't run.
Any ideas, short of replacing the stock ROM?
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I heard the latest version of Google Play services (v7.5) integrates well with Fire OS. Look around the forums for conformation. I have no first hand experience as I run a different ROM
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I heard the latest version of Google Play services (v7.5) integrates well with Fire OS. Look around the forums for conformation. I have no first hand experience as I run a different ROM
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I saw that in another forum thread, but when I installed it, I got the dreaded "Google Play Services has stopped". I'll head over to that other thread and see what they have to say.
Rob
Well I am about to smash my phone to bits lol so I'm hoping for a bit of help. Had my le max 2 for over a year and its been ok, it automatically updated not long ago and since then nothing GOOGLE works, playstore wont load, always get the Play services stopped working popping up every 3 mins or so. I have deleted them and downloaded the apk's a million times and it does the same thing over and over. Also some other apps just do not work now.
On top of that I have the other 2 home screens that is all adverts and in another language I'm guessing Chinese, My calendar is also messed up with all extra Chinese writing in it and other bits, I also get advert bars at the bottom when I open certain things.
I now can not even install facebook or anything else as the google playstore does not work I have tried other app stores you can download that have all the apps on and they don't really work either and a lot say they need google play services to work so I get that popping up.
I have no idea about rooting phones, installing customs roms or anything although I have checked videos and I'm still no further what to install or do.
I just want google play to work again so I can have things as I did before
any ideas at all please? if I cant sort it I think I'm just going to go back to samsung
just installed all the google stuff using google installer V2 all seemed to go ok but still says google services stopped , managed to install facebook another way but it says the facebook app is not compatable with my device so the phone is stopping facebook from working :/
what rom you have ?
some conflict happened after the update, you need to reset factory.
matklola82 said:
just installed all the google stuff using google installer V2 all seemed to go ok but still says google services stopped , managed to install facebook another way but it says the facebook app is not compatable with my device so the phone is stopping facebook from working :/
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Are you referring to the stock rom 028S? I don't think it is fully compatible with Google Services. After many re-installations, I gave up on it and installed Resurrection Remix 5.8.5 Nougat and never looked back. It frees up tons of memory too.
I was wondering if anyone could tell me what Google apps come preinstallled in the usa xt2041-4 model. I'm thinking about purchasing this phone. Thanks.
I bought mine from Amazon unlocked, and it came with pretty much all the google apps that were necessary for the device to work. Apps such as google dialer, contacts, calendar, duo, etc. This is the first time I own a phone that come with all the basic apps such as the dialer by google instead of vanilla android version. All the google apps on this device can either be disabled or uninstalled. If you root the device, then you can uninstall them all, though they are mostly robust apps with constant updates. My only concern with the all google apps is the data collection. As somebody once said that Google doesn't make all these free apps out of goodness of its heart. Google's true money make has always been the data collection/mining, so more people use its apps the merrier. Therefore, to ease my paranoia, I replaced calendar and contact with simple apps, but it's just futile efforts on my part...
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Google Lens is already on the phone, but there's still the Google Lens app in the store that you can install. There's also GPay already on the phone, but some apps tell me to install Google Pay from the store.
Why? Does having double the apps screw with anything in the long run?
Maybe updates? I would go with the factory load versions unless they don't work well.
For Gpay, the one on the phone is the old version. They are pushing everyone to upgrade to the new version, that is the one in the store.
I don't use Gpay. The worst that will likely to happen if you don't upgrade is eventually it will stop working. You could get into issues with Playstore which demands updating. Playstore is so on my bad side, I rarely use it anymore.
I use the factory load versions for most of the Google apps especially Gmail and Gmaps as the update's UI's* sucked. Some of the Google system apps are factory load too because the update caused issues like excessive battery consumption*. So it is after 2 years, current load is over 1.5 yo, still fast, stable and user friendly.
You should experiment to see what works best for you. Just be aware that updates (especially firmware) can break just as easily as they can fix devices.
*Samsung seems to modify these and many times the factory load version works best. Or perhaps it's just the oldest version before Google screwed them up more
I installed the Google Assistant app just so I could add it as an icon to my home screen in Nova Launcher.
It's for people who root and want specific apps installed without installing the background/integration stuff.