Hi,
Having talked to people in this thread I decided to perform tests on the M4 chargers to see how fast they really charge. I also got tips learning from the Xperia Legend @Jozinek in his thread here.
I've been buying Sony Ericsson / Sony phones for years. I notice that while the battery size is increasing, the charger output capacity is not, meaning it takes longer to charge each generation (this is generally true for the low/mid-range Sony phones which I've bought. I note that the premium Sony phones get Quick Chargers).
I plan to test 3 chargers, the stock EC450, the Quick Charge 1.0 EP880 and maybe the Quick Charge 2.0 UCH10 charger. About the UCH10, Sony says the M4 Aqua is not compatible with it, but according to the Quick Charge Maker Qualcomm, the M4 has a chipset with Quick Charge 2.0 enabled.
Tests are done form 0% battery. I turned on the phone when charging started to view battery levels. I turned off data, turned on aeroplane mode and turned screen brightness to the lowest to minimise interference.
Stock charger model EC450
10 minutes charge - 5%
20 ms - 11%
30 ms - 17%
40 ms - 24%
50 ms - 30%
60 ms - 37%
70 ms - 44%
80 ms - 51%
90 ms - 58%
100 ms - 65%
110 ms - 71%
120 ms - 78%
130 ms - 85%
140 ms - 91%
150 ms - 96%
160 ms - 99%
163 ms - 100%
My notes:
The stock charger is slower, but not by that much
A difference between the stock charger and EP880 is that the stock charger holds the battery intake in the 90s %, taking in double the charge per 10 minutes than the Quick Charge 1.0 EP880
Model EP880 (Fast Charge 1.0)
10 minutes charge - 9%
20 ms - 15%
30 ms - 24%
40 ms - 32%
50 ms - 41%
60 ms - 50%
70 ms - 59%
80 ms - 67%
90 ms - 74%
100 ms - 81%
110 ms - 87%
120 ms - 93%
130 ms - 96%
140 ms - 99%
141 ms - 100%
My notes:
The average charge every 10 minutes is about 9% battery charge
The charge per 10 minutes dropped from 9% to about 7% somewhere in the 60s %
The charge per 10 minutes dropped from 7% to 3% in the 90s %
The level seems to be exactly in the middle performance wise, higher than the model 450 stock charger and less than the Quick Charge 2.0 UCH10 charger, judging from @Jozinek 's work here. To the best of my knowledge, the Z3 Compact in Jozink's video comes with the EP880 charger, but it has a 2600 mAh battery while our M4 Aqua has a 2400 mAh battery. The charging speed is identical minus the slight extra distance the bigger 2600 battery would naturally require (200 mAh more).
I bought EP880, too. I need to ask you. Watch some videos through wifi and tell me if ur "%" will drop or not. When I play game, it is ok but when I do more demanding activities(for ex: watching long video through wifi) it is not good enough.
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The stock charger is slower, but not by a lot. Oddly, the EP880 slows down a lot at the end, while the stock charger EC450 maintains output, gaining at the end. Unexpected.
As usual, I do not use the phone at all during the entire time. Screen brightness minimum, aeroplane mode, I don't touch it.
@depressed_ I'll test that as soon as I can. I've just charged using EC450 so I'll have to let that drain, charge with EP880 then try...
Ok, thx buddy. And do one thing please. Download app "Ampere" from Google Play and tell me how many ampers do u have with ep880 and usb cable EC450(stock usb cable). I have low value and idk why but I think my usb port is a little bit destroyed. I put knee between edge of phone and usb cable and it is so sensitive. For example when I want to transfer data between pc and mobile I need to find right position for cable :/. I am so sad because I think I can not claim it, my fault .
Btw English is not a primary languge.
Doest the UCH10, Quick Charger 2.0 working / is supported in our M4 Aqua or not? Anyone tested it? Sony says No, but our chip SD615 is supporting this. I want buy Quick Charger 1.0 or 2.0, thats wjy im asking.
QC have to be enabled in kernel, i think stock kernel doesn't have that feature enabled
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QC have to be enabled in kernel, i think stock kernel doesn't have that feature enabled
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Can we enable this feature somehow? Like modifying the kernel or something
I have a doubt
As I understand it, the Snapdragon 615 has compatibility with Turbo Charge 2.0, but according to the M4 Aqua SONY (with the same processor) is not compatible with fast charging. What is this about?
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It takes all night just to charge this thing, when iplugged it in the wall with the USB cable it came with it takes like 2 hours and it only went up like 15-20% and my Acer iconia charges fully in an 1hr and a half, any way to make it charge faster?
Pretty much all night. Mine takes about 6 hours to reach 80%, then it gets stuck there from 1-3 hours, then it goes to 100% in another 1-2 hours. It is a big battery, but not any bigger than laptop batteries!
azoller1 said:
It takes all night just to charge this thing, when iplugged it in the wall with the USB cable it came with it takes like 2 hours and it only went up like 15-20% and my Acer iconia charges fully in an 1hr and a half, any way to make it charge faster?
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Samsung is known for being a bit on the conservative side with battery charging. Original GalaxyS phones had a current limit of 600 mA. GSII phones have a limit of 650.
In addition, all CPU/screen power usage counts against this limit - so if you've got 200 mA of screen/CPU power usage, that's only 400 into a 2500 mAh battery on the 5.0.
It looks like they planned for a limit of 700 mA on the 5.0, but at some point dropped it to 600 for some reason. (There's comments in the kernel code indicating that it changed...)
Good news is that it can be changed in the kernel to charge at up to 800 mA. I'll be working on this on the US 5.0 in a week or two.
Hi,
How long does it take for you to charge the battery?
I'm using the bundled charger and wifi is on. No apps are running and the screen is turned off.
It's currently at 19% and remaining charge time is estimated to 1 day 3 hours (=15 hours from 19% too 100%).
When browsing (using wifi) the tablet complains that it's using more power than it receives.
Is this normal?
With a bundled charger it should take about 6 hours. Maybe the charger or cable is broken. Check other charger. Install Current Wigdet and check charging current.
Nalix said:
Hi,
How long does it take for you to charge the battery?
I'm using the bundled charger and wifi is on. No apps are running and the screen is turned off.
It's currently at 19% and remaining charge time is estimated to 1 day 3 hours (=15 hours from 19% too 100%).
When browsing (using wifi) the tablet complains that it's using more power than it receives.
Is this normal?
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Did you try to reset it completely? Maybe some apps in background are using power. I've got that message only when i was playing resource hungry game and recording it.
Im have Checked the Power.
Thanx „awionetka“ for Tipp Current Wigded
My Value: WLAN On
Standby: 64
Display Mid Level Setting: 1xx - 4xx
Display Max Setting: 9xx (Sony Wallpaper) - 14xx (WHITE)
Play a Modern Game XCom Enemy Within Tactic Modus: 1569 - 2540
Play Game the Power Supply to low. Battery decraesed
Sony Original Power Supply (LTE Version): 12xx - 13xx
Extern Aukey Qualcomm Quick Charger : 24xx-25xx
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00RCZTNQS?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00
Judging by your numbers it looks like charging current is lower than power drain during gaming. This can happen with some games. With qualcomm charger it should take about 2:30 to charge 0-100 when completely idle.
Got both Autek QC and CHOETECH QC. With the later I can play XCom EW with ~10% battery loss over 2 hours. With a regular USB2 power connected I got "current is not enough blah blah". With no power connected this games drains battery at a rate ~30-40% / hr.
I'm quite happy with the result. Don't really care if it charges it fully in 2 or 2.5 hrs
I have contact Sony for the to little Power Supply. Sony tell me this is normaly. I say this is a Bug.
Acer Tablet A511 Charge with 12 volts. Sony must incrace the Power. The Charging Bug similar to other Sony Z Smartphones. The Bug ist not unknown.
Do some math!
The battery is 6000 mAh capacity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#Charging_ports
Maximum current within USB specs is 1.5 A. You will not get 100% of the juice into the device due to inefficiencies.
@Koto99:
In Germany in an average household you can even use 230V. Why stop at Acer's measly 12V?
@DHGE
If the USB Charging is to low for delivery the Power for the Device. Sony must build a normaly Power Connector.
USB Charging ist not a must or?
Acer can do what Sony not can do?
Ok, Acer Connector is not a Standard Connector. A Combination from Acer Connector and USB Slot.
Why Acer stop on 12V no idea
I mean the Charging with 220 Volts are to big and Damage the Accu.
When in the Future Displays come with 4k or more Resolution. And more CPU Power. The USB Charging have no Future.
USB Charging ist not a must or?
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For me it is a must.
I despise proprietary solutions, not having source code, dongled consumables, DRM infested SW ...
USB 3.1 can negogiate up to 100W over USB. Current Android devices are at best USB 3 speed with USB 2 power specifications.
Bitten fruit do some tricks beside the specifications for a 30% gain: look at their accessory prices.
I guess (looking at my really expensive LiPos for flying my planes) one could feed up to 4A into the Z4. So charging time at best before damaging the battery or melting some circuitry in the charging chain could be 1.5 - 2 hours for a 6Ah battery.
I've only charged my Z5C a couple of times but I noticed that it seemed to charge very quickly, checked the product code of the very neat USB wall charger that came in the box ( "UCH20" ) and sure enough it looks to be Quick Charge 2.0 compatible charger.
A nice bonus I wasn't expecting so thank you Sony!
UCH20 output is 5 V/1500 mA, same as the EP880 so not sure how you can see significant charging speed. Only UCH10 is Quick Charge 2.0 certified with output of 5 V/1800 mA
That's interesting, because it definitely seemed faster to me than my old Z3C charger.
And when I checked the spec on this page http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/accessories/usb-charger-uch20/specifications/ it lists "Quick Charger UCH20" at the top above "Product Specifications", but Qualcomm Cetification isn't mentioned.
Then here (http://www.xperiablog.net/2015/09/20/sony-uch20-usb-charger-bundled-with-the-xperia-z5-family/) they mention "When Sony first announced the Xperia Z5 series back at IFA 2015, it initially tagged this accessory as a ‘Quick Charger’"
Wonder if it failed the certification, but still has the circuitry so is effectively Quick Charge 1.5?
I have a 3rd-party Quick Charge 2.0 charger on the way so it will be interested to compare the charge time difference.
Ok, ran my phone down to 4% this evening and plugged it into in the UCH20.
With the phone on, this is how it charged:
Start = 4%
20 mins = 22%
35 mins = 36%
60 mins = 60%
80 mins = 80%
100 mins = 95%
110 mins = 98%
121 mins = 100%
Not as fast a "quick charge 2.0" charge I think, but faster than I ever remember my Z3C charging?
Will it try it from completely flat with phone off next time (which might be a few days away... )
milesg said:
Ok, ran my phone down to 4% this evening and plugged it into in the UCH20.
With the phone on, this is how it charged:
Start = 4%
20 mins = 22%
35 mins = 36%
60 mins = 60%
80 mins = 80%
100 mins = 95%
110 mins = 98%
121 mins = 100%
Not as fast a "quick charge 2.0" charge I think, but faster than I ever remember my Z3C charging?
Will it try it from completely flat with phone off next time (which might be a few days away... )
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Well not quite QC 2.0.
The lab test Qualcomm quotes charged a smartphone with 3300mAh battery for 30mins
QC1.0 > 0% to 30% (5V / 2A)
QC2.0 > 0% to 60% (9V / 1.67A)
And 0% to 12% on a conventional 5V / 1A charger.
The Z3C came with a 5V / 1.5A charger just like this Z5C apparently. And the Z5C has a slightly bigger (2700mAh vs 2600mAh) battery so I'll make a wild guess that it's about the same speed, if not a tad slower.
Shame it doesn't come with a QC 2.0 charger.. Would've been a nice touch to include it.
Yes, I know the Z3C came with a charger that is supposed to have the same output, but my Z3C didn't seem to charge as fast as my Z5C is...
My experience was similar to this, charging in about 2.5 hours
https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-Z3-Compact/How-long-to-fully-charge-battery/td-p/861671
The only explanation I can think of is that I was using a data USB cable with it, and I'm now using a 3rd party one specifically designed for charging. I'll update with the actual Quick Charge 2.0 recharge speed when my new charger arrives.
why didnt they they give us the optimal charger with the phone in the box then? I was looking forward to faster charging times, but i havent noticed any difference
Well that explains that disappointment with my Z5C, I need a new charger.
Now if only there was an easy solution to the phones lag problems...
Interesting thing is, Sony doesn't use step charging for Z5C and Z5P.
https://github.com/AndroPlus-org/an...qcom/msm8994-kitakami_sumire_common.dtsi#L927
https://github.com/AndroPlus-org/an...com/msm8994-kitakami_suzuran_common.dtsi#L958
Z3C's max was 1800, so it's faster than Z3C.
https://github.com/AndroPlus-org/an.../msm8974pro-ac-shinano_aries_common.dtsi#L561
Charged my z5c with aukey pa-t2 (quick charge 2.0)
0%->100%
15min 18%
30min 33%
45min 52%
60min 70%
75min 85%
90min 95%
110min 100%
I know it sounds weird but it's hard for me to ignore the fact that whenever I charge my phone early in the morning, battery temp - 26C usually, around 4 AM it charges like all hells gone lose. From 20 to 100 in somewhat an hour or more.
Note, my phone is a standard non fast charging/dash charging phone which Ampere reports the maximum current the chip let's into the battery is 820 mA.
If I charge the same phone after some usage when the battery is at 37-40 C it takes around 2-3 hours to charge from 20 to 100.
Does any one here had a similar experience?
Off-topic: Why do phone companies don't make water cooled phones or phone covers?
Hi Guys
Got the S22 Plus in Snapdragon variant and the phone doesnt charge nearly as quick as reviews online taking 1 Hour 30 mins for me, and yes I have fast charging enabled on the battery settings
I have read couple of articles and seen few videos about it. It does take 1 hr 30 mins to get fully charge.
I'm using Charger came with my S20plus along with the cable came with S20plus.
My phone charges up in 1Hr 10min max.
It depends on the room temperature and the phone temperature also I think.
However buying a 45W charger for S22plus is a waste of money.
Nvm
Usually, those charging times they advertise are from 0-80%. The way lithium ion batteries charge, they all slow way down after 80% . After that you may as well be using a 5w charger.
Get 45w charger I usually getting around 40minutes to 90%+. you will see Super Fast Charging 2.0.. but since android 13 update I only see Super Fast Charging although it charge as fast
Honestly, I am using my laptop type C charger. It shows as fast charging and max it takes is 1 hr 15-20 mins for full charge. So I think you are good.