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Because of the terrible battery life of the Vibrant (sigh) I monitor battery usage on a regular basis, always keeping an eye out on what is using up most of my battery. For the past couple of days I have noticed a new culprit on the list: "plugin-containe". (I assume this should be "plugin-container" but is truncated by Android.)
While I have seen this particular thing on the battery usage meter before, never before has it been listed number 2 in battery usage (after the display).
When I click on it, the short description says "Battery used by running applications". So, I uninstalled all the recent apps I installed, yet this continues to appear. Anyone know what exactly this is, what it does, and how can I stop it from leeching my limited juice?
Thanks!
P.S. Do I use apps regularly? Of course, but my usage from the past few days has been in-line with what it always is, so I don't know why the battery usage for "plugin-containe" should be so high now.
sounds like you might have Fennec installed. If you do, try uninstalling and see how your batterly life improves.
Come to thinl of it I did install it recently. However I uninstalles it within a few hours cause I disliked it. Did it not "cleanly" uninstall?
Okay the problem is associated with the default Android browser. Did Fennec do something to it so it leeches a lot of battery now?
hi
is it required to battery caliberate after flashing new rom?
and when ever i reboot my system either battery jumps from 10% to 30 or more
or becomes less than 10%..
if i should then which app should i use?
any guidnace
plz
TY
No such thing. After you flash a new rom, charge the phone to 100%, turn it off, remove the battery for 30 seconds, replace the battery, turn phone on, enjoy.
Anyone selling you the whole calibration thing is selling you voodoo.
hi
thanks for your reply
plz suggest me best battery app with battery saving feature , suggestion on what we can do with remaining battery , expected full time charge , complete graph or battery usage history by apps?
paid or free , tell me best one
thank you
There's lots of battery apps on Google Play, there's no such thing as the best one, go have a look under the Tools section in Apps (you'll also find some under productivity). Stay away from apps like Juice Defender that claim to save you battery by doing things automatically which you can do yourself in two seconds, these have been proven time & again on XDA to use more juice than they save.
ivl try battery monitor
thank you
No probs ;-)
MistahBungle said:
No such thing. After you flash a new rom, charge the phone to 100%, turn it off, remove the battery for 30 seconds, replace the battery, turn phone on, enjoy.
Anyone selling you the whole calibration thing is selling you voodoo.
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Wouldn't that procedure above be considered calibrating the battery? LOL. J/K. Couldn't resist .
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actually it cannot. this way you only help the system in your phone recognize full capacity of battery (which is not even full because not one battery works at it's full capacity - but it's fullest you will get at this point of your battery life). when it's about calibrating - listen to MistahBungle - it's all voodoo. you cannot calibrate li-ion battery unless you kill it and then revive. by killing it I don't mean depleting it in your phone, because even when phone shows the battery is fully depleted it's really not - there is still some juice in it. you'd have to use e.g. special charger which can drawn juice out of battery and make it really empty. only then your battery is dead and useless. you may revive it by applying cca. 5V but actually it not always works. so you cannot calibrate your battery in home environment.
what you can do is "re-calibrating" so called fuel gauge (description under links given below) and you may also help your system recognize the real state of your battery charge. sometimes it happens that systems readings are wrong and battery is on 85% but system is reading it as 50 or 100%. to help it read battery chip correctly you do the thing MistahBungle so helpfully described. sometimes you even don't have to do it but wait 2-3 charging cycles and system will adjust it's reading itself. by charging cycles I mean charging like from 20-100%. why not from 0%? because even if it's not a real depletion state, li-ion batteries doesn't like the state of being discharged too much.
more on this and lot of other helpfull information you will find here:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/1...bump-charging-and-inconsistent-battery-drain/
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actually it cannot. this way you only help the system in your phone recognize full capacity of battery (which is not even full because not one battery works at it's full capacity - but it's fullest you will get at this point of your battery life). when it's about calibrating - listen to MistahBungle - it's all voodoo. you cannot calibrate li-ion battery unless you kill it and then revive. by killing it I don't mean depleting it in your phone, because even when phone shows the battery is fully depleted it's really not - there is still some juice in it. you'd have to use e.g. special charger which can drawn juice out of battery and make it really empty. only then your battery is dead and useless. you may revive it by applying cca. 5V but actually it not always works. so you cannot calibrate your battery in home environment.
what you can do is "re-calibrating" so called fuel gauge (description under links given below) and you may also help your system recognize the real state of your battery charge. sometimes it happens that systems readings are wrong and battery is on 85% but system is reading it as 50 or 100%. to help it read battery chip correctly you do the thing MistahBungle so helpfully described. sometimes you even don't have to do it but wait 2-3 charging cycles and system will adjust it's reading itself. by charging cycles I mean charging like from 20-100%. why not from 0%? because even if it's not a real depletion state, li-ion batteries doesn't like the state of being discharged too much.
more on this and lot of other helpfull information you will find here:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/1...bump-charging-and-inconsistent-battery-drain/
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read that ..
thank you
and is there any way to stop auto startups of apps?i have around 200apps and most of them i use around once a day or not even once
i use android assistant to manage startup but it does on boot and after some time if i check running apps most of apps will be there running
is there any app to block it running automatically? not just at startup ? full control like anything?
thank you
actually I cannot help with that. I don't use such a software and really don't believe in it. but, the fact is that I do not use so many apps. other fact is that surely there is some useful software that could help you with that task, i just do not use one and personally I'm not interested in it. I know that perhaps the best method is to freeze them with titanium but if you use these apps from time to time then it would become complicated and not worth the effort.
still I have few questions:
why would you like to stop them from working? do they drain your battery? if so then check your logs with bbs and find out which ones are draining, try to change their setting or get rid of them, or at least close only these ones. long time ago I was fighting with some apps that I do not use often and they start themselves from time to time. I didn't want to get rid of them, so before every night I was killing them one-by-one from applications menu (actually most of them didn't wake up until I ran them myself). finally, after many tests I got to the point that it doesn't make any difference. apps I was killing, even if running, didn't use any recourses, didn't produce wakelocks, they were just using some RAM. and if it is the reason of your concern then do not be worried - they may use as much RAM as they want - android will free RAM when it will need it.
now I do not kill any apps and by night I lose 0-2% of battery which is my only concern - what should we care more? CPU, RAM - let it work as long as it doesn't stop us from enjoying our phone and make a usage of it uncomfortable.
and if you're worried about packet data then you may limit it for each app using system menu in ICS.
ancilary said:
read that ..
thank you
and is there any way to stop auto startups of apps?i have around 200apps and most of them i use around once a day or not even once
i use android assistant to manage startup but it does on boot and after some time if i check running apps most of apps will be there running
is there any app to block it running automatically? not just at startup ? full control like anything?
thank you
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Thanks dude. I also have the similar problem. I have spent months on it without any improvement. Now I'm quite frustrated and not optimistic on the solution you have provided towards my issue, but your decription gives me a lot of clue.
But my problem is even more tricky, I would like to share it here so see if anyone have met it before, or if I need to start a new thread to deal with it:
The problem can be generally decribed as below:
1. When the battery is fully charged, unplug and consume the juice until the level reach around 30%, then the phone is shut down automatically; after I plugin the power and restart the phone, the battery level is displayed as 0%;
2. After charging for a while from 0% , restart the phone and you will see the battery level directly goes back to 50%, but still with very low voltage;
3. Changing with a new battery won't solve the issue -- though the new battery itself may also have problem(not sure if it is genuine), but I don't think a fake battery and an old battery should behave almost the same, so I don't think it is the battery's problem; criticize if I'm wrong
4. Re-flashing a new rom won't solve the issue either. I have tried different CM9 nightlies and now I'm using CM10 nightlies, none of them is immune to the problem;
5. Clear the battery state won't solve the problem. It is hard to say whether it improves the situation at least a tiny bit. I mean it may work somehow, e.g. My phone used to be shut down at 50% battery level and now it can last to 36%. But it never totally solve the problem once and for all, so I still don't trust this caliberation thing may work.
I hope I have clearly stated my issue. I'm so at the end of my patience, this little bastard have been always torturing me You guys are the last I can count on I really hope I came here earlier so as not to have wasted so much time.
I ask for an opinion to experts.
I installed the app Battery Life Repair
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.BoshBashStudios.batterydoctorrepair
I can't understand if this app is really effective or if it is a fake. In both cases, if you want to give your opinion can you justify it with technical considerations?
It's strange to see so many high ratings, but it is also strange that there are no tests or in-depth reviews.
Sorry for bringing a thread from the dead but I am also very curious as to how this app works (or if it does at all).
Such apps don't work.. They're usually fake and earn money through ads. Battery life is purely hardware and can't be increased by a software other than changing kernel features...
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MasterAwesome said:
Such apps don't work.. They're usually fake and earn money through ads. Battery life is purely hardware and can't be increased by a software other than changing kernel features...
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what a load of crap.
You can increase the length of your battery time betweeen charges by lessening the load on the cpu(which causes ups in voltage usage).
we reduce cpu load by reducing ram usage too.
also, turning the display brightness down and turning off unneeded features like bluetooth or wifi.
the kernel can be made more efficient like you said. so i agree there.
Lgrootnoob said:
what a load of crap.
You can increase the length of your battery time betweeen charges by lessening the load on the cpu(which causes ups in voltage usage).
we reduce cpu load by reducing ram usage too.
also, turning the display brightness down and turning off unneeded features like bluetooth or wifi.
the kernel can be made more efficient like you said. so i agree there.
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Trying to do that the battery app takes more battery by being in the background always. sometimes it also steals data.. There's no point you're better of without it.
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MasterAwesome
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MasterAwesome said:
Trying to do that the battery app takes more battery by being in the background always. sometimes it also steals data.. There's no point you're better of without it.
Regards
MasterAwesome
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Of course the battery does nothing.
thats what the settings > battery
function is for anyways. to see the resource hog of the system.
so it works in identifiying the problem.
but your right, the battery app is unnecessary since we already have a stock implementation.
but that wasn't my point. my point is that you can modify the userspace for more battery between charges.
Lgrootnoob said:
Of course the battery does nothing.
thats what the settings > battery
function is for anyways. to see the resource hog of the system.
so it works in identifiying the problem.
but your right, the battery app is unnecessary since we already have a stock implementation.
but that wasn't my point. my point is that you can modify the userspace for more battery between charges.
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At the end of day we agree that battery apps are not required... Android is pretty optimized by itself.
Decrease screen brightness and timeout it takes the highest amount of battery.
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MasterAwesome said:
At the end of day we agree that battery apps are not required... Android is pretty optimized by itself.
Decrease screen brightness and timeout it takes the highest amount of battery.
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"At the end of day we agree that battery apps are not required.." obviously.
"Android is pretty optimized by itself. " its not about android(I didnt mention android being optimized, I figured that it was pretty obvious and didnt need discussion), it was about android having the tools to find the problem. see the following:
"Decrease screen brightness and timeout it takes the highest amount of battery. "and this brings me to MY POINT.
We are talking about app hogs which ARE a problem.
I would expect the OP has enough of a brain to reduce the brightness.
You have app services that use tons of ram and cpu. Why can't you accept that?
The theory behind a battery app is legitimate, but the OP just has to use the builtin android application.
Lgrootnoob said:
"At the end of day we agree that battery apps are not required.." obviously.
"Android is pretty optimized by itself. " its not about android(I didnt mention android being optimized, I figured that it was pretty obvious and didnt need discussion), it was about android having the tools to find the problem. see the following:
"Decrease screen brightness and timeout it takes the highest amount of battery. "and this brings me to MY POINT.
We are talking about app hogs which ARE a problem.
I would expect the OP has enough of a brain to reduce the brightness.
You have app services that use tons of ram and cpu. Why can't you accept that?
The theory behind a battery app is legitimate, but the OP just has to use the builtin android application.
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Confrontation Much
The original posting he said was that software does not have impact on hardware in that it can not fix physical damage on the battery such as dead cells.
Such apps are just fake.
I purchased a new phone and same day I installed repair battery life. It showed 8 low cells and one inactive. It claimed it will increase my battery life by 18% (WOW, LOL)
After that I tried again and it showed me all green cells.
I cleared the app's cache, cleared data and uninstalled the app.
Later on, I calibrated the battery with another app called "battery fix" which needs root and deletes batterystats.bin file
I once installed "repair battery life" and guess what? It showed again 8 low cells and one inactive.
It's just another fake crAPP
Number of cells shown suggests fake.
I tried Battery Life Repair by "Extended Apps " and I remain very sceptical. Nowhere it is explained what the app actually does.
A normal Phone has one or two cells. This app shows 100 cells and claims that some are broken or damaged and the software can repair it through some extraordinary (supernatural?) process. It Claims it repaired these problematic cells (like 5 out of 100), although it physically makes no sense considering a phone has one or two cells, which are usually either working or broken. Then it also requests access to media, identity and accounts, which is suspicious given what the app claims to do.
Comments in the app-store just prove to me that placebos work. On the other hand, some people figured that if the "battery repair" is done, the app data is deleted and the app run again, it again shows the same amount of "problematic cells".
aj1789 said:
I tried Battery Life Repair by "Extended Apps " and I remain very sceptical. Nowhere it is explained what the app actually does.
A normal Phone has one or two cells. This app shows 100 cells and claims that some are broken or damaged and the software can repair it through some extraordinary (supernatural?) process. It Claims it repaired these problematic cells (like 5 out of 100), although it physically makes no sense considering a phone has one or two cells, which are usually either working or broken. Then it also requests access to media, identity and accounts, which is suspicious given what the app claims to do.
Comments in the app-store just prove to me that placebos work. On the other hand, some people figured that if the "battery repair" is done, the app data is deleted and the app run again, it again shows the same amount of "problematic cells".
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I strongly suspected myself this app is complete bull twaddle, but I was also curious so installed it just to see what it makes of the battery "analysis".
It magically 'fixed' the problem cells, but unlike you on a subsequent retest the previously 'faulty cells' had still be 'fixed'.
I wonder how this app is polling the 'cells'? Or is it just making up some fancy graphics and not actually doing anything at all under the hood?
I also wonder what would happen if I switched batteries or took the existing one out and in again? Maybe I'll try at some point.
This is my experience.
I thought this is impossible but i installed it just to try..
In that time i first tryed it i had Galaxy 3 Apollo. Battery was so bad that percentage was going low when you were looking on it and after some short period of time phone just shutdown by itself.. I decided to try it so maybe i save money for new battery. With few shutdowns i finally did it and something happen. Battery didn't go low that way and phone stoped turning off by itself!! It could stop while i was washing dishes but it was "fixed" after i used that app, so i dont know. I don't personally think that some app can fix hardware issue but i think it works as some "refresh" or something like that. I don't know really but in my case was money saver what ever that is. Oh and i'm talking about "Extended Apps" app.. :/
I'm also skeptical about these things but unlike others in here, I tried before drawing conclusion with my awesome rational brain. And yes it works marvelous. My Galaxy Note 3 battery is working as brand new, giving 3 to 4 days without charging and it was 1 to 2 days before the app. I don't think that is placebo effect and I have absolutely no idea what the app does, and too bad the dev doesn't have a website, but the app is good. Also using the other app from the same dev, called Advanced Battery Calibrator and letting the phone charge till 100% while off did wonderful things.
I still wonder how it can fix hardware of it simply erase data from the battery increasing risk to catch on fire, but it does work.
As far as I know, the software keeps data of the battery in other to avoid charges over 100%. With time that will effectively make the battery charge till 99% then 98% and goes on, till u have a battery on 70% for example but the software say its 100%, because it wont charge more than that to avoid the risk of fire. Perhaps this app erase that data and increase the risk of mal function. But I have no idea.
douglasrac said:
I'm also skeptical about these things but unlike others in here, I tried before drawing conclusion with my awesome rational brain. And yes it works marvelous. My Galaxy Note 3 battery is working as brand new, giving 3 to 4 days without charging and it was 1 to 2 days before the app. I don't think that is placebo effect and I have absolutely no idea what the app does, and too bad the dev doesn't have a website, but the app is good. Also using the other app from the same dev, called Advanced Battery Calibrator and letting the phone charge till 100% while off did wonderful things.
I still wonder how it can fix hardware of it simply erase data from the battery increasing risk to catch on fire, but it does work.
As far as I know, the software keeps data of the battery in other to avoid charges over 100%. With time that will effectively make the battery charge till 99% then 98% and goes on, till u have a battery on 70% for example but the software say its 100%, because it wont charge more than that to avoid the risk of fire. Perhaps this app erase that data and increase the risk of mal function. But I have no idea.
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If your battery has dead cells im sorry but no app will fix it, unless its magic! It must replace the cells somehow magically! Omg do some basic research these apps are fake garbage! Maybe it can fix my dead s3 battery hahaha NOT!
hilla_killa said:
If your battery has dead cells im sorry but no app will fix it, unless its magic! It must replace the cells somehow magically! Omg do some basic research these apps are fake garbage! Maybe it can fix my dead s3 battery hahaha NOT!
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ofc is not gona revive a battery,but even that it can be made,in some cases,i saw that of ppl proving that live,they took a dead battery and test it to show that it is dead and just used another same model battery that it was working and hold them connected like 5 min toghether,after that it just put the dead battery at charged and what u know?it did revived it,no idea how the battery actually work,but it seems that they can actually get stuck somehow and they can get a "forced" revive,like a CPR for humans,but like i said,not working with all,same as like on humans,not all can be revived with CPR,but i guess that this app has to do something coz like some in here i did used it and ... the magic worked,not on a dead battery,so scheptical as it sounds,on some batteries it works even tho maybe is not something hardware but maybe just something software,why i say that,i had a tablet and a few times when i was restarting the tablet,after a min was turning off coz of battery 0%,and that after i got the recharger plug off,so it was 100% for sure,after a few times restarting the tablet it was showing again 100 % as it should be,so i guess that not even android is always reading the data correctly
Of course is a full fake. Uninstall them, becouse they can do bitcoin mining or whatever gain trough pupup and promotions., as well as getting your data.
1) Ion litium or polymer batteries cannot be repaired.
2) cells are 1 or max 4 not 256 as those apps shows
3) clearing the cache brings different fault cells
4) reinastalling shows other broken cells
5) strangely the application after "repair" stays open in background. So at least the word "repair" is a joke fooling people.
6) dynamic ram and ddr are always powered and refresh cycles are required in all the address space generally, so saying that freeing ram allow more battery duration is a fake.
7) whatever the app does to have battery least more is just sw and tricky. I would not rely on that and remove the app.
Wow...
MasterAwesome did u disable Lgrootnoob's account because it says its disabled was it because he challenged ur opinion? lol childish much? Who cares if it works it either works or it doesnt I dont see it hurting me
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MasterAwesome did u disable Lgrootnoob's account because it says its disabled was it because he challenged ur opinion? lol childish much? Who cares if it works it either works or it doesnt I dont see it hurting me
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Didnt notice this was my brothers account he uses my phone
Hello, there's a way to calibrate your battery without root.
to calibrate your battery, i found by my self a way to(when i did it, the battery time left was increased):
1)charge your phone to 100% battery.
2)turn on- wifi, auto rotation, bluetooth...(everything that is consuming battery not including apps)
3)leave your phone with screen off.
4)discharge much as you can.
5)when you finished, charge your phone and don't use the phone.
optional:
if you want a proof that this is worked- open settings and see how much time left for your battery(you will see that it had been increased).
FYI I just finished testing Battery Life Repair 2018 by running it on a new Android tablet with a huge 8000+mAh battery. It reported about 14 weak or bad cells out of a total of 120 cells. When told to fix those cells, it requests you to download another of their apps to help support them. Just say YES, then kick back out without downloading and the fix finishes. I had hardware "USB Safety Tester" connected during this test (it displays various info including the charging voltage and amperage). With about 12% of the cells reported bad, after the fix the Tester recorded zero increase in Volts or Amps. So it maintained a steady watt draw from the charger even after 14 more cells were now drawing watts to charge. Next I cleared storage on the app, ran it again, and got 12 different cells reported to have problems. Fixed those cells, and again, no change in charge draw.
I also found it strange that it would use WIFI and Cell Data and run in the background. Why?
The Battery Life Repair app reports that my Galaxy S5 also has 120 cells in its battery. Seeing as almost 99% of phones and tables have a SINGLE cell in their battery (one or two phones have 2 cells), the display of a 120 cell grid seems rather fishy. Having a 120 cell battery requires cell balancing hardware and software that that would add to the cost of the phone, plus make the battery physically larger. My electric bike has about 80-90 cells in it and it weighs about 15lbs and is 30,000 mAh and 47 volts. Hard to do in one or two cells. That is a good example of why a multi cell (3.6 v each?) battery is needed. But not a cell phone or tablet.
I know my test is not the most scientific, but at least I did check for a change in wattage draw before and after fixing cells, and not just ecstatically claim my battery has improved.
So I call Battery Repair Life 2018 to be a steaming pile of BS that is probably robbing you of your contacts and other personal information while running in the background sucking up your data plan. But, hey, that's just me.
I have an LG G6 and a V30 on the Verizon network. On both, phone idle is using most of the battery. I've read several posts and searched the net without finding a solution.
I use a Samsung Gear S3 watch. Not sure if that could be the culprit.
When I Googled it, seemed like many others were also experiencing this problem. No one on this board is having this issue? Or has everyone figured out a solution? Thanks..
Why do you feel it is a problem? It doesn't matter unless your total battery life is not good to excellent.
Sounds like you just leave your phone Idle more than anything. I don't see a problem.
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check the battery usage ... find the offending app.
I am seeing the same: I don't use my phone very much, and not for gaming or video or anything very power consuming. So idle is by far the biggest battery drain on my V30 as well. The battery is still great on this phone, and it is quite frugal during use (as opposed to my beloved old Nexus 5, which was frugal when idle, but every touch of the screen would deplete the battery): I only charge the V30 every other night, and usually get 4-5 hours SOT on a full charge.
Battery stats attached. I have disabled most Google features (location reporting, always listen etc) but as you can see, Android Kernel and Android System remain by far the biggest app suckers. Lots of LG services buried in those. Some day I'll try and figure out which ones are the main culprits.
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Either this is a bug from software or this is the way the phone display itself..
As long as it doesn't effect the battery usage, it's not a problem imo
The high idle drain is real, at least on my phone. It is NOT merely an error in how usage is displayed. If I left my phone completely unused, it would run the battery down in about 3 days, with no SOT. Significantly faster if I move it (say, in the car), slower if it's just lying on a desk. But even lying on a desk, it drains pretty fast. Even overnight, when AOD is turned off.
This is fact, not opinion. Of course it could be unique to my phone and the OP's, although a few other threads mention high idle drain as well.
As I wrote in my last post, the phone has a good battery AND a frugal display, which means it's not a problem for most. Indeed, owners who use their phones all the time will appreciate how frugal it is in active use -- although they too would get even more SOT if their idle drain was lower. Obviously it is a bigger problem for owners who use their phones less, and who want to charge it only every two or three days to preserve battery health.
I remain convinced that the drain is caused by some of the LG or T-Mobile services on my phone, which would cause it to be buried under System or Kernel usage in GSAM. I just haven't had time to dig deeper into which ones it may be. If others have suggestions for which apps or services are the culprits, I'll be very interested.
@mankind_18: I am glad to hear that this is not a problem for you.
TheDannemand said:
The high idle drain is real, at least on my phone. It is NOT merely an error in how usage is displayed. If I left my phone completely unused, it would run the battery down in about 3 days, with no SOT. Significantly faster if I move it (say, in the car), slower if it's just lying on a desk. But even lying on a desk, it drains pretty fast. Even overnight, when AOD is turned off.
This is fact, not opinion. Of course it could be unique to my phone and the OP's, although a few other threads mention high idle drain as well.
As I wrote in my last post, the phone has a good battery AND a frugal display, which means it's not a problem for most. Indeed, owners who use their phones all the time will appreciate how frugal it is in active use -- although they too would get even more SOT if their idle drain was lower. Obviously it is a bigger problem for owners who use their phones less, and who want to charge it only every two or three days to preserve battery health.
I remain convinced that the drain is caused by some of the LG or T-Mobile services on my phone, which would cause it to be buried under System or Kernel usage in GSAM. I just haven't had time to dig deeper into which ones it may be. If others have suggestions for which apps or services are the culprits, I'll be very interested.
@mankind_18: I am glad to hear that this is not a problem for you.
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I'm actually seeing the opposite on my phone. Idle battery drain is minimal, but I feel like it drains a bit faster than others while in use. I did disable a lot of carrier/LG bloat I'm sure it's helped with idle battery usage to a degree.
cazcryy said:
I'm actually seeing the opposite on my phone. Idle battery drain is minimal, but I feel like it drains a bit faster than others while in use. I did disable a lot of carrier/LG bloat I'm sure it's helped with idle battery usage to a degree.
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Thank you for sharing this. Good to hear that your idle drain is low after disabling LG/carrier bloat. Makes me hope that if I take the time to go through it on mine, I may see improvement. So far I uninstalled a couple of LG apps through the Settings/Apps menu, that's all. I've meant to do more with ADB, just haven't had the time yet. Your post is encouraging in this regard.
But puzzling that you find active drain so high. My old Nexus 5 was like you describe: Very low idle drain (lean custom ROM and not many Google apps installed), but drained fast whenever I used it. As described, the V30 surprised me by doing the opposite. Hmmm....
TheDannemand said:
Thank you for sharing this. Good to hear that your idle drain is low after disabling LG/carrier bloat. Makes me hope that if I take the time to go through it on mine, I may see improvement. So far I uninstalled a couple of LG apps through the Settings/Apps menu, that's all. I've meant to do more with ADB, just haven't had the time yet. Your post is encouraging in this regard.
But puzzling that you find active drain so high. My old Nexus 5 was like you describe: Very low idle drain (lean custom ROM and not many Google apps installed), but drained fast whenever I used it. As described, the V30 surprised me by doing the opposite. Hmmm....
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Well it's not excessive relative to other phones I've used, just seems higher than other people based on their battery usage screens posted.
TheDannemand said:
The high idle drain is real, at least on my phone. It is NOT merely an error in how usage is displayed. If I left my phone completely unused, it would run the battery down in about 3 days, with no SOT. Significantly faster if I move it (say, in the car), slower if it's just lying on a desk. But even lying on a desk, it drains pretty fast. Even overnight, when AOD is turned off.
This is fact, not opinion. Of course it could be unique to my phone and the OP's, although a few other threads mention high idle drain as well.
As I wrote in my last post, the phone has a good battery AND a frugal display, which means it's not a problem for most. Indeed, owners who use their phones all the time will appreciate how frugal it is in active use -- although they too would get even more SOT if their idle drain was lower. Obviously it is a bigger problem for owners who use their phones less, and who want to charge it only every two or three days to preserve battery health.
I remain convinced that the drain is caused by some of the LG or T-Mobile services on my phone, which would cause it to be buried under System or Kernel usage in GSAM. I just haven't had time to dig deeper into which ones it may be. If others have suggestions for which apps or services are the culprits, I'll be very interested.
@mankind_18: I am glad to hear that this is not a problem for you.
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I think it's kind a normal to find idle taking up most battery if you're not using the device (i mean less), because when i compare it to a9 pro, it's the same actually.. when i use it often, screen will take the most battery percentage.. but if i use it less, device idle will be the most at the top..
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The high idle drain is real, at least on my phone. It is NOT merely an error in how usage is displayed. If I left my phone completely unused, it would run the battery down in about 3 days, with no SOT. Significantly faster if I move it (say, in the car), slower if it's just lying on a desk. But even lying on a desk, it drains pretty fast. Even overnight, when AOD is turned off.
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If the phone is flat in 3 days, then your idle drain rate is 1.25%/h. That's elevated.
It should be possible to improve depending on what the causes are. Could be apps, could be apps you need and then there is the network.
As a simple test, charge up your phone before you go to bed. Then leave it there, untouched with AOD off.
In the morning, settings - battery - battery usage - estimated time remaining <-- how much is that ?
Your battery will have to drop to at least 98% before that info is available which in your case could be sooner than morning maybe in a couple of hours
Indeed, owners who use their phones all the time will appreciate how frugal it is in active use -- although they too would get even more SOT if their idle drain was lower. Obviously it is a bigger problem for owners who use their phones less, and who want to charge it only every two or three days to preserve battery health.
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True. After two days you've lost half the battery. Ideally it should be less than that.
I just haven't had time to dig deeper into which ones it may be. If others have suggestions for which apps or services are the culprits, I'll be very interested.
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Do you have access to a PC with adb installed ?
One Twelve said:
If the phone is flat in 3 days, then your idle drain rate is 1.25%/h. That's elevated.
It should be possible to improve depending on what the causes are. Could be apps, could be apps you need and then there is the network.
As a simple test, charge up your phone before you go to bed. Then leave it there, untouched with AOD off.
In the morning, settings - battery - battery usage - estimated time remaining <-- how much is that ?
Your battery will have to drop to at least 98% before that info is available which in your case could be sooner than morning maybe in a couple of hours
True. After two days you've lost half the battery. Ideally it should be less than that.
Do you have access to a PC with adb installed ?
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Thank you for the response. That was posted over a month ago, and I finally did get around to disabling (or rather, uninstalling with ADB) a bunch of LG apps and services. Also some T-Mobile apps after switching to AT&T MVNO. That helped a lot, and I am now down to approx 0.5%/hour idle drain. That's overnight, mind you, and I still find it somewhat high considering AOD, Location, Bluetooth, NFC are all off, and the phone is completely still for 8-9 hours.
But I can now generally recharge only every three days, and still get 6-7 hours SOT. I guess that is great for any phone. Sometimes and I have to use Battery Saver to make it that far. It helps a lot to reduce battery drain, both during idle and use, and has no noticeable effect on usability.
Also on the positive side, I haven't had any of the lag issues mentioned by others in various threads after disabling apps. In fact, it is even smoother than before disabling them. I did go a bit too far, as I lost the ability to Google Cast the screen -- strangely, as I didn't touch Google apps or services. Also, I lost LG SmartSettings, which I didn't actually use, but didn't mean to lose either. I kept the SmartSetting app, but apparently one of the LG task related apps I disabled caused it to disappear from Settings. No other issues or functionality losses -- except the ones I wanted to lose.
So I am OK now -- though I still think idle drain is higher on this phone than it should be, even after disabling LG's duplicate and redundant services and turning off known battery draining features (AOD, Location etc).
Edit: Thanks again for your response and offer to help. Re-reading my post, I don't think I fully acknowledged that.
TheDannemand said:
I finally did get around to disabling (or rather, uninstalling with ADB) a bunch of LG apps and services.
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By adb i was referring to granting a one time permission to the better battery stats app. Will be a good next step if you've not used it yet since you've done a cleanup already.
The dump file will reveal what your phone is up to when you set it down and whether further improvements can be had if feasible.
I am now down to approx 0.5%/hour idle drain. That's overnight, mind you, and I still find it somewhat high considering AOD, Location, Bluetooth, NFC are all off, and the phone is completely still for 8-9 hours.
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How did you measure that rate ? wonder if its possible to reduce it further. Up to you
But I can now generally recharge only every three days, and still get 6-7 hours SOT. I guess that is great for any phone. Sometimes and I have to use Battery Saver to make it that far. It helps a lot to reduce battery drain, both during idle and use, and has no noticeable effect on usability.
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6-7h/SOT is normal for the v30, on wifi or bands 12 & 20 with heavy use.
So I am OK now -- though I still think idle drain is higher on this phone than it should be, even after disabling LG's duplicate and redundant services and turning off known battery draining features (AOD, Location etc).
Edit: Thanks again for your response and offer to help. Re-reading my post, I don't think I fully acknowledged that.
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If you're interested in exploring further with BBS, let me know. It has a strict procedure to follow which i can walk you through
One Twelve said:
By adb i was referring to granting a one time permission to the better battery stats app. Will be a good next step if you've not used it yet since you've done a cleanup already.
The dump file will reveal what your phone is up to when you set it down and whether further improvements can be had if feasible.
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I did grant usage stats permission to GSAM. Otherwise it wouldn't have shown the details in those screenshots.
One Twelve said:
How did you measure that rate ? 6-7h/SOT is normal for the v30, on wifi or bands 12 & 20 with heavy use. wonder if its possible to reduce it further. Up to you
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GSAM can show stats for various time periods, including custom ones. I generally check it in the morning after it's been lying on my desk or nightstand overnight for 8-9 hours. That's the ultimate Deep Sleep condition.
MY cell radio uses a bit more after switching to AT&T and returning the signal booster that T-Mobile provided me. The booster didn't improve T-Mo weak's reception in my apartment, but it DID provide a stronger signal to the phone, so it doesn't have to work so hard to maintain it.
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If you're interested in exploring further with BBS, let me know. It has a strict procedure to follow which i can walk you through
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I'll take you up on that. I haven't used BBS in years (different phone) so not up-to-date on it at all. I'll follow your procedure, just tell me what to do.
Thanks again. Much appreciate your help!
Edit: I downloaded and installed BBS 2.2.2.0. Holy crab, I can't believe that thread is now 3300+ pages!
TheDannemand said:
I'll take you up on that. I haven't used BBS in years (different phone) so not up-to-date on it at all. I'll follow your procedure, just tell me what to do.
Thanks again. Much appreciate your help!
Edit: I downloaded and installed BBS 2.2.2.0. Holy crab, I can't believe that thread is now 3300+ pages!
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Good, this will allow you to compare both tools and see which one is more useful.
Now you need to give BBS the permission in ADB as shown here
adb shell
pm grant com.asksven.betterbatterystats_xdaedition android.permission.BATTERY_STATS/
That's it. Switch off Developer options.
Then go into BBS-Settings-Advanced- (scroll to the bottom and click System App) and verify it says BATTERY_STATS granted. Cannot proceed further otherwise.
If ok, back out of advanced and tap 'Watchdog' then enable
Next, try a dry run. AOD off. Let the cell be on since that's how you use it and wifi.
What battery level is when you start the idle test matters. Can be anywhere between 50 to 95 but not over or under. More consistent data between those two points.
Let it rest for an hour. Do not touch it during this time. if the phone rings and you answer it then your log is going to get polluted with irrelevant info. It's useless, have to redo the idle test. The not touching it matters a lot.
When time is up, in the app under summary there are a couple of dropdown menus. Select 'Screen Off' instead of 'Boot' for the left and the menu next to it, select 'Screen On' instead of Current. Telling it to print data only during the time screen last switched off and turned back on. Very handy. As you can use your phone before the test and when ready to do the test it doesn't matter where you start within the limits mentioned. Screen off to screen on, That's what watchdog does.
After that, Look for the share button at top and select Dumpfile then Save. The txt file will be saved in emulated/0 so in LG's file manager, Internal storage, scroll down, it should be there by default. file name betterbatterystats- date-time.txt
Post that txt file as an attachment in your next post. Hopefully, on the V30, BBS will record under the sections, partial wakelocks, alarms, network which are required to understand where wakes are coming from. If this part is successful then you can go on to do a real idle test.
There are three key points here,
- idle test done when battery between 50 - 95
- your screen on during the idle test cannot exceed 1 minute. No touching
- getting the correct start and end points meaning you selected screen off to screen on to record in the dump.
Get this down right and you will be ready to do a real idle, test. There is one extra condition now. Test cannot be less than six hours. Can certainly be longer but not less than 6h. This is where the no touch rule starts to grate but that is the minimum time required for any wake locks to make themselves known. Getting the procedure right means you don't waste runs. And you will be doing several as you hone things
A bit rigourous but this is what the creator of BBS and the guys in that 3k+ thread insist you do to get the most out of BBS. They won't look at your dump file otherwise. Redo it they will say
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Good, this will allow you to compare both tools and see which one is more useful.
Now you need to give BBS the permission in ADB as shown here
adb shell
pm grant com.asksven.betterbatterystats_xdaedition android.permission.BATTERY_STATS/
That's it. Switch off Developer options.
Then go into BBS-Settings-Advanced- (scroll to the bottom and click System App) and verify it says BATTERY_STATS granted. Cannot proceed further otherwise.
If ok, back out of advanced and tap 'Watchdog' then enable
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Thank you. I'd already granted it permissions (BATTERY_STATS and DUMP). But I cannot install it as System app, since I am not rooted -- which it promptly tells me if I try. I was looking for somewhere to confirm the permission, but didn't find it.
Anyways, I started the Watchdog. I'll be charging it overnight, then do the dry run tomorrow after the battery has dropped below 95%.
Thanks again. This will be interesting!
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Thank you. I'd already granted it permissions (BATTERY_STATS and DUMP). But I cannot install it as System app, since I am not rooted -- which it promptly tells me if I try. I was looking for somewhere to confirm the permission, but didn't find it.
Anyways, I started the Watchdog. I'll be charging it overnight, then do the dry run tomorrow after the battery has dropped below 95%.
Thanks again. This will be interesting!
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Ah, i wasn't clear, install as a system app isn't required, that screen is just to check if the permissions took.
A popup appears saying root is required and disappears after a second or two, if you see the word 'granted' then you're good to go. Fingers crossed the right sections get data
Hello.. Can someone who knows about battery draining give some help? I ve got this phone a week or so and I think the battery drains kinda fast. I'm not sure. I used to have Xiaomi Note 9s with a super battery. I m uploading a few screenshots . Is it drains fast?? Or all looks normal? Thanks in advance
That is normal battery life for this phone. In fact it looks pretty good.
Thanks for your reply
On my phone there is always Android System consuming a lot of battery, almost like Screen. I don't know if that's normal. On a REDMI 9 of a friend Android System is almost consuming nothing
@Primal.pr28 the cpu behaviour is setup to react to user action, rather than anticipate user action. If reacting to user actions is priority, then you want to react to the user action as quickly as possible (phone = smooth). This is not efficient. It means that even the smallest actions may require processing speeds greater than necessary. With better optimization you could get at least 25% more usage of your device at no cost of performance. Consider switching battery saver mode on by default forever as well, don't think you lose much performance.
Yesterday I used phone literally from 100-0%, and I noticed strange thing, the reading that it reported as consumed power by the screen was ~48% but it says something like 1300mAh. So obviously totally incorrect. If the battery is 4250mAh, then half of it should be around 2100mAh, not 1300.
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Yesterday I used phone literally from 100-0%, and I noticed strange thing, the reading that it reported as consumed power by the screen was ~48% but it says something like 1300mAh. So obviously totally incorrect. If the battery is 4250mAh, then half of it should be around 2100mAh, not 1300.
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It's not percent of the battery capacity that is displayed. It's percent of all things like hardware & software usage put together including system and apps.
VedranB said:
Yesterday I used phone literally from 100-0%, and I noticed strange thing, the reading that it reported as consumed power by the screen was ~48% but it says something like 1300mAh. So obviously totally incorrect. If the battery is 4250mAh, then half of it should be around 2100mAh, not 1300.
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Do you use your phone for more than 24h?? Xiaomi is showing only last 24h battery stats.
I'm having the same problem, 12.5.5.0, I heard 12.0.8.0 is more battery friendly?
Same here, insanely bad battery life with 12.5.5, dont understand why, android system is using more than 25%.
Look at this horor, pls
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18% overnight !
12.5.5 is same as 12.5.3, most resources are consumed by screen, sometimes buggy Google app "Carrier services". Around 10% overnight battery consumption, phone lasts about 45-50 hours (light use, web browsing, work profile, emails, Whatsapp, constant synchronization of private and work apps on).