Related
OK, so I have an HD2 now and it's the same old problem Microsoft hasn't fixed. Yes, I can move both my attachments and mail to the storage card but if you move the email bodies to the storage card, the perpetual recurring "storage card2" problem still haunts us. If you just want to move the attachments to the card and you use the start the “Messaging” program, go to Menu, Options, Storage (tab) and check the box that says “When available use the storage card to store attachments” option, you will not have a problem. If you do reg edit yourself to accomplish this instead of letting the mail program create an attachment folder on your sd card, you may see the recurring 'storage card2' problem popping up after you receive your first attachment and soft boot. If you move the mail bodies to the card, you will no doubt experience this problem. After years of this problem, Microsoft has not had the courtesy or sense to fix it, which one of their programmers could probably do in an hour.
There are some that say this problem is caused by the mail program or a mail service calling up the mail attachment and mail directories on the SD card before the SD card driver is loaded. I'm not a phone or software hacker guru, but it doesn't make logical sense to me that any services or software can be loaded before the OS finishes loading the startup drivers. If this actually can and is being done on WM 6.5, someone please let me know ! A solution would be to change the loading order of the storage card driver to load sooner, which can be done through a reg entry, but if it's moved up in priority too much, before other possible dependent drivers are loaded, then the storage card will not load at all, and I'm not familiar enough to guess what priority I can move the card driver up to without causing issues. I'm also not convinced of this cause because if you just move the attachments folder to the card using the option in the mail program, you'll never have this recurring "storage card2" problem.
I can tell you that removing the mail notification from my today screen on my T-Mobile Wing definitely solved the problem. It may work as well if I remove the mail screen from the menu bar on my hd2 but I like that feature and I'm really more interested in solving the root of the problem once and for all.
PLEASE HELP ! Can anyone of you xda-dev's fix this problem once and for all !? Thousands of people have spent thousands of hours pulling their hair out over this issue and Microsoft doesn't care !
Here are my observations and comments from messing with this phone for an absurd amount of hours. These are an excerpt from a posting I made elsewhere so far without reply:
1. You don’t need to modify your registry to put attachments on the storage card. You simply need to start the “Messaging” program, go to Menu, Options, Storage (tab) and check the box that says “When available use the storage card to store attachments”. Soft reset. You’re attachments will now absolutely be stored on the storage card in a folder the program will create called Inbox.mstXXXXXXXXX.xxxxx with some numerical appendage. No "storage card2" issues.
2. You can make the above registry change to move the email body to the storage card, soft reset, then use the mail program and all of your email bodies will indeed go in to the folder you created. Until you actually download an email, you can reboot as many times as you like and no storage card2 will be created, but as soon as you download an email, a storage card2 folder will be created on your next soft boot.
You can usually just delete the newly created storage card folder without removing the sd card, and reboot at least twice and the 'storage card2' folder will automatically be renamed back to storage card and it will stay this way until you download another email and restart/soft boot. Then the storage card2 problem starts all over again.
I ultimately wound up putting the email bodies back into main memory and using the storage card for attachments. With the much larger amount of memory in the HD2 than older phones, I can store a more reasonable amount of email, however it does tend to slow the phone down when you store 1000 emails and it annoys the heck out of me that I can’t actually move all of this to the SD card.
If anyone actually comes up with a solution to the actual root of the problem, please let me know !
Thanks !
I Think I know cause
I had the problem (several times) before.
The trick to avoid: everything needed for winmo to run needs to be on internal storage.
I do not know how, but i feel if one could "delay" the startup of programs, or make programs dependent of each other, the problem can be solved.
Mail is crucial in Winmo, and always runs.
If mail is started before the sdcard is mounted the Storagecard2 problem pops up.
If it would be possible to delay startup of certain programs, I am convinced the problem disappeares.
Now WM has this possibility in HKLM/init with launchXX and DependsXX
Only..... What inits the sdcard?
Anyone?
Hi all,
I also possesses a HTC HD2 and I move the mails and attachments on the storage card. The problem is that the boot device storage card and rename it to "Storage Card 2".
The problem comes from Sense, it checks the mail at startup before the card is up, anyone know how one could detect the μSD before starting Sense?
I have HTC Sense disabled all the time. Same problem with Storage Card2.
Hi, i'm having a problem with my installed apps. Some apps disappear from my app drawer, and in menu installed apps this apps have a system logo and system name, they are still installed but do not work.
I guess it might have something to do when I disconnect phone from PC USB, apparently internal storage is not mounted back correctly and corrupts apps, some time after the apps go back to original working state, and some others break. Did this happen to anyone? Does anyone have a clue about what's happening?
Many thanks in advance.
Sent from my MB860 using XDA App
this happens to me sometimes but after i reboot my phone, everything shows up but ya it does happen time to time
Are you moving apps to the sd card? I've experienced similar problems when doing so....so I just stopped moving apps to the sd card.
con_ritmo said:
Are you moving apps to the sd card? I've experienced similar problems when doing so....so I just stopped moving apps to the sd card.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Had the same problem and used the same fix
Had the same problem once, restarting phone or launcher fixes the issue...
This problem is also for Galaxy S2.
I think that the problem born because you have 2 sd on the phone.
This problemi in my Atrix is very annoying.
In Titanium Backup, go into Batch>Move/Integrate and make sure that all user apps are on the Internal memory. Chances are your "disappearing" apps are on the external sd.
So if there is any number other than 0 next to "Move user apps to internal memory," run that batch operation, reboot and you shouldn't have the issue. My XDA app installs to external by default, which is stupid, and I have to redo this process for that app after every titanium restore.
Try going to the android market on a laptop or desktop. If you are loved in it will say if it is compatable with your device.
This problem happens often with ADW launcher for me. For some reason the launcher doesn't update its app list instantly and restarting the launcher is needed. I haven't researched the problem though.
It used to happen on my old phone (dell steak) it was not mounting and un mounting properly, even downloads were disapearing no matter what rom. Or computer I tried it still didn't work and it turned out that my SD card was f#$ked
Sent from my MB860 using XDA App
disappearing apps
I noticed this on my Atrix when running Titanium backup. Rebooting the phone will restore the missing apps. If there are a lot of apps missing it may take 2 reboots, but they will come back along with their icons.
I just had to restart the launcher, then all is back.
I had similar problems in the past. My solution = Don't restore apps + data from titanium backup. This also caused 'rogue' apps that prevented my phone from sleeping. Would have to charge my phone at least twice a day. Completely wiped my phone and went back to Wet Dream and haven't used Titanium Backup since. Both issues were fixed.
I had this same problem once I started using jokersax's CM9 alphas. It turned out that, for whatever reason, a few apps were being installed to the SD card. Rebooting the phone or connecting to my PC (basically any time the SD card was mounted/unmounted) would break those apps.
So I can confirm that if the app has disappeared from the app tray, but you can still find it in Manage APPs (with a system icon and probably it's pacakge name (like "com.appname.something")) then your best bet is to uninstall the app, reinstall it, and double check from Manage APPs that it's installed to the phone (bottom right button will say "Move to SD card" rather than "Move to phone").
[tl;dr - apps don't like being on SD card, install to phone]
I've been having this problem for a long time now. Searched the web everywhere, xda, lot's of forums. I have not found a solution to this yet, because i have come the conclusion that it's an internal android problem. This happens to everyone that has many apps on their phone, but they don't realise that it's happening until they look for an app they know that is installed but can't find it.
This happened to me with:
Android:
* stock 2.2
* stock 2.3
* blur mod roms
* cyanogenmod
Launchers:
* Launcher pro
* ADW
* SPB Shell
* Go Laucher
* Blur Launcher
Root:
* When rooted
* When not rooted
It seems that the problem is that the internal drive, when mounting does not take the enough time to mount all of the installed apps, that's why if you plug you phone to the USB, after it get's unmounted and mounted back, the status of your apps change (people who had this problem, know what i'm talking about).
The only solution I found so far is with Cyanogenmod, becuase it's the only rom i tried that has the possibility to unmount the internal drive (as you can always do with the external SD card).
If you have this problem that you check the installed apps in the configuration, and you see that some correctly installed apps have the system icon and not the correct one, the unmount the internal drive and mount back, you will see all apps appearing correctly.
horsage said:
It seems that the problem is that the internal drive, when mounting does not take the enough time to mount all of the installed apps, that's why if you plug you phone to the USB, after it get's unmounted and mounted back, the status of your apps change (people who had this problem, know what i'm talking about).
The only solution I found so far is with Cyanogenmod, becuase it's the only rom i tried that has the possibility to unmount the internal drive (as you can always do with the external SD card).
If you have this problem that you check the installed apps in the configuration, and you see that some correctly installed apps have the system icon and not the correct one, the unmount the internal drive and mount back, you will see all apps appearing correctly.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for the advice!!!
Greetings.
Fast Boot option may be the culprit
This is actually a long-standing problem in Android OS, going back at least two years (donkey's years in this technology!)
Something about the interaction of the OS and an sdcard formated for holding apps creates odd behaviours.
Lots of complicated suggestions have been made, including reformatting sdcard, reinstalling ROMs, changing launchers (the one suggested here) and such.
None of these approaches seems really to solve the problem even in most cases.
Mentioned here is internal phone storage -- I NEVER use it for anything related to apps or downloads (from what I can tell it can be much less reliable than an sdcard and much less portable or capable of being backed up in a timely way). I only use phone memory & sdcard, yet I have the same disappearing app problem everyone else has here. Avoiding apps on sdcard is not an option for me -- my phone memory is too limited for that (and again, I don't trust internal phone storage).
Also, worries about Titanium Backup mentioned here. But other backup apps and ROMS that move apps to sdcard appear to have the same problem. I have had no problems myself with Titanium Backup Pro, but I have experienced disappearing apps after mounting sdcard as a disk when USB cabled to a PC. Others have reported the same. I would bet the problem lies with the mounting process, not backups or ROMs
So ... What seems to be working for me (at least for the last week or so) is the following very simple tweak.
CUT TO THE SOLUTION BELOW -- SEARCH FOR ////
Some (not all) of my apps moved to SD (all by Titanium Backup Pro) have begun to disappear and (sometimes) reappear without warning after I began to add and delete large Virtual Machines created in QEMU from my 16GB SanDisc class 10 microSD card on my HTC Droid Incredible running rooted stock Verizon Android Froyo 2.2.3. I know this thread is far from my phone's "home base", but from what I can tell this problem with disappearing apps located on an sdcard is NOT determined by hardware or even Android version.
I also happen to use LauncherPro by Federico Carnales instead of the built-in HTC Sense launcher. I noted elsewhere on XDA that a user had suggested that because at least some (maybe all) launchers start before the SD Card that this may be a problem, especially if changes are made to the sdcard that the launcher did not perform, or was not active during their performance by other apps such as Titanium Backup. That fits my situation, because I unmounted the SD, physically removed it to a PC, and added/deleted large VM files to save (lots) of time. No problems of this sort before I did this, so there must be some connection.
I noted that other users have tried reformatting SD, substituting different brands of SD, using newer/older SD etc. None of these reliably helped. So I skipped these options.
//// The (simple!) solution I tried that SEEMS to work (only time will tell!) is buried in the main Android Settings (accessed from the Menu button while in Home screen). Under "Applications" there is a setting "Fast Boot" that I checked long ago and forgot about (it seemed like a good thing to do at the time). The text warns "Turn off to use some Market apps" (that shows the age of my 2-yr old used phone and Android OS -- ohmygosh!-- because it refers to Market rather than Google Play Store!) Anyway, I unchecked the option and rebooted the phone.
Yes, it took a bit longer to boot (maybe a whole minute!), but after waiting about another minute ALL my home screen apps had normal icons and loaded properly. Titanium Backup Pro batch scenarios confirmed there were no apps in a forced uninstalled state (i.e. I had not done the deed, the system somehow had done it or at least rendered the apps "invisible" to Titanium, which decided they needed reinstallation).
The only odd behaviour was that auto brightness was turned off after I unchecked Fast Boot and rebooted. Going into Android Settings > Display and rechecking "auto brightness" took care of that. No other oddities or strange behaviours thus far (but it has only been about an hour).
I will report anything further on this thread only (Samsung Fascinate > Fascinate Q&A > What just happend? apps on sdcard) if anything else requires reporting. Silence implies success!
link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1873670
(I am copying this post to other relevant threads, but will not post anything further elsewhere -- only there. This is a bit arbitrary (especially now that the chosen thread no longer is the most recent active one on this topic), but I hope this approach pleases the XDA sysops/admins) :angel:
kirkers said:
:
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have not posted it here but before I forgot. I have found an app that has solved this issue at least the 95% of the time. Also if an app disappears, reboot, when comes back, move to internal and back to sd with this app, always. This app moves apps differently from other app2sd's apps.
It's called link2sd.
Can be found in Google play store and XDA forum.
A great life saver, for an unsolvable problem. Not the super solution, but the best I found so far.
Regards
Enviado desde mi MB860 usando Tapatalk 2
Hi,
I have htc legend with C7 installed. The USB storage used to run
quite well until some day ago. Now whenever I turn it on, the status bar on
top gets hidden somewhere, and I cannot find anyway to turn it off other then
restarting. But status bar is only one problem, my computer won't show any
USB storage, and there is no way I can access the files in my device.
What could be the problem? Why is my status bar gets hidden? Also I cannot
find turn on/off USB storage option in WIFI settings menu. where is it?
Reflash your rom and everything will be running perfectly again.
Sent from my Legend using xda premium
I think you might have some system apps on your SD card so when that dismounts the phone crashes.
I was hoping to fix it without having to reinstall things. I dont want to do everything again , unless I go for ICS
I have been moving apps to SD card using App mover utlity (only the apps that it suggest). I will have a look again, but I don't think I can move something that systems needs to run.
Here is the list of apps in SD card which i think may be causing some troubles:
Google+
Hotmail
Messages Widget
Google+ was updated a few months after release to have it natively moved to the SD card. The only drawback is you can't use the post widget. (Which really isn't so great)
For Hotmail, you can use Hotmail Exchange ActiveSync with the Android Mail app. It's the mail app you see when you forget to install GApps. Setup: http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/08/windows-live-hotmail-gets-exchange-activesync.ars
Works great.
As for the Messages Widget, I don't know what it is. But since it has the word widget, I'll tell you that Android doesn't support widgets for apps that are moved to the SD card, unless it's on an ext partition. So you'd best leave that alone.
If you're absolutely certain that these apps are the root of your problem, consider these alternatives. If you're not, still try 'em out. They're worth not risking workarounds for.
Since the release of Android 4.4, I was unable to upgrade from 4.3 JellyBean because of two issues that completely disqualify newer Android versions for me:
1. Apps have no access to the external SD card.
This issues is NOT solved by moddification of /system/etc/permissions/platform.xml file
Examples of apps include:
- Sygic GPS navigation
- BeyondPod podcast manager
- Locus trekking app
- BTSync
Full access to the external SD for all those apps is indispensable to me and I was unable to get it with KitKat even though I applied all the fixes I was able to find AND used Carbon ROMs which are supposed to have this enabled to boot.
2. Only one app at a time has access to SMS box.
This is also not acceptable, because normally I send/receive SMS messages with GoSMSPro, but I also use MySMS to send/receive/type texts on my mobile through my laptop.
In KitKat each time I have to switch the default SMS app which defeats the purpose.
I would like to know whether there is there a fix for either of those problems, and whether those issues are likely to continue on Android L?
impactor said:
Since the release of Android 4.4, I was unable to upgrade from 4.3 JellyBean because of two issues that completely disqualify newer Android versions for me:
1. Apps have no access to the external SD card.
This issues is NOT solved by moddification of /system/etc/permissions/platform.xml file
Examples of apps include:
- Sygic GPS navigation
- BeyondPod podcast manager
- Locus trekking app
- BTSync
Full access to the external SD for all those apps is indispensable to me and I was unable to get it with KitKat even though I applied all the fixes I was able to find AND used Carbon ROMs which are supposed to have this enabled to boot.
2. Only one app at a time has access to SMS box.
This is also not acceptable, because normally I send/receive SMS messages with GoSMSPro, but I also use MySMS to send/receive/type texts on my mobile through my laptop.
In KitKat each time I have to switch the default SMS app which defeats the purpose.
I would like to know whether there is there a fix for either of those problems, and whether those issues are likely to continue on Android L?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Neither one of these things are problems or are broken things. They work as intended and have been explained as security measures. Annoying for some, yes, but this isn't a "bug".
http://www.androidcentral.com/kitkat-sdcard-changes
As far as the SD card, if you are rooted, which I am assuming because you mentioned playing around with the platform xml, there are a couple different ways to return full R/W functionality.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/modules/kitkat-sd-card-access-t2790992
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=nextapp.sdfix
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.geeksoft.extcardpatch
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jrummy.sdfix
For SMS on the desktop, you might check out PushBullet. Their recent update has enabled replying to SMS, though not sure how well it works with Go, but they do support a variety of other solid SMS app connections.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pushbullet.android&hl=en
I am aware of Google's justification of breaking the SD card functionality. Whether we call it a “security measure” or “bug”, the fact remains I can no longer use a phone with KitKat to fulfil functions it used to, so to me it is no longer a smartphone.
The solutions you liked to I tried and they all failed to fix the issue. I have not tried the Xposed module, but I suppose it does the same thing as other “fixes” so I have little hopes with it.
As for PushBullet, it took me years to find MySMS which was then the only desktop SMS app that provided delivery reports. Are you aware if PushBulled does it, too?
In any case, this is a non-isue as long as there is no solution for the SD card.
Not sure why the SD card isn't "fixed" for you as it works for 1000s of others (including many of my customers), meaning there is something else going on - quite possibly how the apps were developed. Do ANY apps work right with the fix applied? And once again, no, it's not a bug, as it was done intentionally. If it is a must have and nothing else works, you can always convert the necessary apps to system apps, if you have room(you should).
I do not know what do you mean by „works”, but for all the programs I need on all the phones and KitKat roms I tried, SDcard DOES NOT work. This is even stated by developers of some of those programs (like BeyondPod).
To see if I am not mad, I just tried it again – I installed KitKat on another Samsung debvice. Latest version of GoBackup and BeyondPod could not write to SD card. 'Fine' – I think – 'I will install the Sdfix from PlayStore'. I did, and rebooted.
NOTHING changed!
KitKat is worse than a bug, because a bug is a accidental, and usually does not cause such gargantuan damage to functionality. What Google did with KitKat is worse, because it is deliberate.
This is ridiculous. If Android L changes nothing, I will have to keep all my phones with 4.3.1 forever, because of how useless Google made Android on devices with external SDcard.
Maybe they killed SD card functionality to force people to buy newer phones with huge internal memory, maybe they want to force people to use their cloud storage, or maybe they did it just out of pure mindlessness.
But they did, and - as I suspect - they don't plan to revert it.
Have you tried the fix for BeyondPod suggested by their team...?
http://beyondpod.mobi/android/help/FAQKitKatSDReadOnly.htm
Tried switching the apps to /system apps so they'll have more permissions?
es0tericcha0s said:
Have you tried the fix for BeyondPod suggested by their team...?
http://beyondpod.mobi/android/help/FAQKitKatSDReadOnly.htm
Tried switching the apps to /system apps so they'll have more permissions?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah, the fix they suggest does not work on KitKat, because you can't select external card.
I did not try to set BeyondPod to system app, but I can't do it with every app I want to use. Many apps refuse to even start if converted to system app status, and besides system partition is limited in size, and can hardly accommodate all apps.
impactor said:
Yeah, the fix they suggest does not work on KitKat, because you can't select external card.
I did not try to set BeyondPod to system app, but I can't do it with every app I want to use. Many apps refuse to even start if converted to system app status, and besides system partition is limited in size, and can hardly accommodate all apps.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have an idea on why none of the fixes are working for you...
Install this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2524485
and try the mods again and reboot.
I'm not a 100% sure it'll help, but will only take a minute to figure it out... This step would also be necessary to make something like Xposed work properly on newer Samsung devices with Knox and all that security stuff they added.
Do you mean that SELinux may be preventing changes to the /system/etc/permissions/platform.xml file?
impactor said:
Do you mean that SELinux may be preventing changes to the /system/etc/permissions/platform.xml file?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes. It prevents a lot of different kinds of changes to the system.
es0tericcha0s said:
Yes. It prevents a lot of different kinds of changes to the system.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Than this is not it, because the changes are being applied correctly and appropriate lines in the appropriate files are changed/added.
Which is why, when I try to apply yet another SDfix from the playstore, the program informs me there's nothing to do because the fix is already applied.
Just because the line is there doesn't mean something else isn't interfering. Just telling you what I would try, since it takes a minute or 2. *shrug* Haven't had a phone with an SD card in awhile so don't have anything to test it with.
Thanks, but it wouldn't take 2 minutes, because I don't have a phone with KitKat. And to install a KitKat and restore all the necessary data would take several hours.
So I might try it next time I give KK a shot, but I don't have high hopes for it because I think what I have with KitKat is what everyone else has - it's just most people either don't care about it or don't need the functionality.
I am writing out of frustration about my experiences moving apps to an external sd card with Android in general. I am hoping someone can point me in the right direction to make things less frustrating.
Prior to Android 6.0, I used the Apps2SD: All in One Tool[ROOT] app by Vicky Bonick. Several things annoyed me:
- Apps located on the second partition of the sdcard are not available immediately after booting.
- Sometimes the second partition could not be mounted, without a meaningful error message. I have to reboot the phone several times until things magically work again.
- Moving several apps to sdcard with the batch update is unstable and crashes sometimes.
- The app produces many notifications that I don't care about (e.g. how many apps are linked or what app is being moved atm). I want the app to run in the background and never have to think about it.
- App updates cause apps to be installed on internal storage again. This also means that I can never batch updates apps in the store. I know that there is an option that should move the app back to the sdcard, but that never worked reliably for me.
- Navigating in the app takes a long time. I spent a lot of time managing my storage space.
I have tried other App2Sd apps that improved on some of these points and degraded on others. I also tried some of the apps on other phones and encountered the same nuisances.
Since Android 6, I formatted my sdcard as internal storage hoping to alleviate most of the pain points. It actually made things worse:
- The sdcard is still not available immediately after booting and all my shortcuts to moved apps disappear every time I reboot.
- Not all apps can be moved to sdcard. In fact, most of them can't. Most of my largest apps (Netflix, Amazon Video and Chrome) cannot be moved. Currently, I can move about 11 of my 40 apps. The sdcard is only utilized about 3% (1 GB out of 32) and the internal storage is full. As of yesterday, I cannot install new apps anymore .
- No functionality to batch move apps.
- Some moved apps are not visible in Titanium Backup.
Yesterday I tried to force move some of the apps to sdcard that would rather stay on the internal sdcard. This page told me that the preferred installation location is located in the manifest of the apk and needs to be set to
Code:
android:installLocation="preferExternal"
. I decompiled one of the apks with apktool, changed the manifest and recompiled it. When I tried to move the recompiled app my phone soft rebooted.
I am generally puzzled why this topic is so complicated and such a hazzle. I don't even understand why there are apps that have to be on internal storage. The link above mentions that services, alarm services and widgets become unavailable when the phone is connected via USB. Didn't Android 4.0 (?) change the USB protocol to MTP which main benefit, I thought, is the parallel access by computer and phone.
Did I leave out some information? Is this question too complicated? Should I post the question somewhere else?