[Work in Progress] Trying to Unlock Bands (Including B20)
Conclusion
Changing the NVRAM values, may be the first step in the right direction, but it's not the end. It needs more than this to enable B20 and more.
Introduction
This topic is work in Progress; I edited some NVRAM values in hopes to unlock more bands for the Xiaomi Mi5. Have a look at the following topics.
I've tested it and by the result is that the NVRAM values alone are not enough to enable more bands. In the next paragraph I will shortly explain the test setup and test results.
About the test
Test-Setup: Xiaomi Mi5, In Norway where carriers use Band: 3, 7, 20; Band 20 is for rural areas; Band 3 and 7 are for crowded places
How did I test the NVRAM values: All but Band 20 were disabled, and I drove out to the countryside (rural area)
Result: No Band 20!
Conclusion: The NVRAM values are a good start, but not enough to enable more LTE operating frequencies.
Short Documentation: A short documentation of the performed test.
Original Bands
4G FDD-LTE bands 1 / 3 / 7
4G TDD-LTE bands 38 / 39 / 40 / 41
Related Articles:
Topic 1: How to unlock LTE frequency bands for the Mi Note Pro
Topic 2: Qualcomm NVRAM Settings & 2G/3G/4G LTE Band Config
Topic 3: Xiaomi Mi5 Qualcomm Diagnostic Drivers (Xiaomi Diag Drivers)
Topic 1: How to unlock LTE frequency bands for the Mi Note Pro
Read this article; download the Qualcomm Tools; Get information on how to use these tools.
Topic 2: Qualcomm NVRAM Settings & 2G/3G/4G LTE Band Config
This guide is based on information from this article. I highly suggest you read this. Values are copied from this topic.
Topic 3: Xiaomi Mi5 Qualcomm Diagnostic Drivers (Xiaomi Diag Drivers)
Windows 10 64Bit drivers for the Qualcomm diagnostic stuff.
The Important Line
Code:
ID Desc Original Value Modified Value
06828 lte_bc_config 2061584302149 2061719111903
What will happen next?
4G works on Band: 3, 7 and 20 in Norway. Usually, Band 20 is used in rural areas, and Band 3,7 are in use for more populated areas. As I live in Tromsø, I had 4G out of the box.
So I will have to go out of the city, to test if Band 20 is active, after changing the NVRAM values, on my Xiaomi Mi 5.
Why post this now and not wait a bit?
Maybe there's a mistake in here, and someone has the time to find it.
Why have this value?
If you look at it in binary, each 1 represents an active 4G band. So by changing values from 0 to 1, in theory, additional frequencies are enabled. (Only if the hardware allows it.)
Code:
lte_bc_config (64-bit, of which 44 bits relevant): Bands Active:
2061584302149 00011110000000000000000000000000000001000101 1.3...7. 38-41
2061584892127 00011110000000000000000010010000000011011111 12345.78 17 20 38-41
How can you help?
Double check the numbers and share your knowledge, pretty please. If something looks fishy to you, ask a question.
MTK has an engineering mode where it's easy to see what bands are enabled. Is there something similar to the MTK engineering mode for Qualcomm SoC's? Is there an easy way to test enabled bands?
What hardware is inside of the phone?
(Just another wild guess, be careful)
I googled a bit, instead of learning Norwegian and found the following. Link: Intrinsyc Introduces Qualcomm Snapdragon 820 Cortex-A72-Class Development Board, SoM and MDPs
How did I stumble upon this, I read on en.miui.com that the SD 820 has Qualcomm WCD9335 audio codec, and so found that link.
In the link a as connectivity the following hardware is stated: Qualcomm IZat Gen 8C GPS (WGR7640); and googling for this brought up that the same chip (WGR7640) is used in the SD 410.
One phone that has the SD 410 is the MOTO G (2015); so that allows us the very wild guess that the SD 820 will support at least all the bands of the SD 410.
Please share your opinion on this matter.
Awesome Information by @fredda88:angel:
Inside the Mi5 you will also find the skyworks 77646 power amplifier module and listed under it's 4G features is: LTE supports output power bandwidth bands 1, 25, 3, 4, 39, 26, 8, 20, 12, 17 (and sub-bands 9, 10, 18, 19)
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Thank him for this information, pretty please, do it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=65999912&postcount=39
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Dude, this is a awesome idea.
I will receive my mi5 soon, and will follow this topic for sure !
Big UP for you. I need band 20 too on the FDD-LTE. (FRANCE).
HI can try this guide on Moto G 3rd 2015 XT1541?
I need to unlock or add the band 4 (1700/2100)
Any information is appreciated
TheUltrametricSpace said:
MTK has an engineering mode where it's easy to see what bands are enabled. Is there something similar to the MTK engineering mode for Qualcomm SoC's? Is there an easy way to test enabled bands?
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Try with "lte discovery" app.
On Samsung phones you can use *#0011# code to check it, but I'm not sure wheter it does work or not for other phones.
I have the MI5 and I'm in your same Situation, ist not really needet to unlock B20..... but I can try.
I'm not expert, but I have a Problem to see on what Band I am.
I tryed a lot of apps..... discovery lte say me "lte band unknow".....
so if I make changes I can't see if they works..........
idranoel said:
I have the MI5 and I'm in your same Situation, ist not really needet to unlock B20..... but I can try.
I'm not expert, but I have a Problem to see on what Band I am.
I tryed a lot of apps..... discovery lte say me "lte band unknow".....
so if I make changes I can't see if they works..........
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Doesn't work for me either, tested with LTE-Discovery in Version 4.4 and MIUI 7.2.6
Screenshot:
TheUltrametricSpace said:
Doesn't work for me either, tested with LTE-Discovery in Version 4.4 and MIUI 7.2.6
Screenshot:
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It depends on your carrier, so no way with this app
anybody know an app that give the used Band ?
@ TheUltrametricSpace : your mi5 is unlocked? rooted?...... I was thinking that because my is locked unrooted that I can't see the lte band.
idranoel said:
anybody know an app that give the used Band ?
@ TheUltrametricSpace : your mi5 is unlocked? rooted?...... I was thinking that because my is locked unrooted that I can't see the lte band.
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My phone is unlocked but not rooted.
I would assume that the app states somewhere "I want root", so don't think it's needed. But I don't know.
I tryed to send an email at the "lte discovery" so know what's the Problem....
I guess that root privileges are necessary. We would have to analyze what scripts this software uses to state it with certainty but it would be better to have it rooted before trying.
Btw, guys you are amazing! Thank you!
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My phone is unlocked but not rooted.
I would assume that the app states somewhere "I want root", so don't think it's needed. But I don't know.
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It's written in the app description -> "Identifies EARFCN and Band for any country/provider when using a Qualcomm processor and ROOTED"
I just use it on my phone, it ask for root access with a pop up.
Anyway, thanks for what you're trying to do here.
If I have to root the phone, I have to wait to unlock it first (I've read).......
St3pH56 said:
It's written in the app description -> "Identifies EARFCN and Band for any country/provider when using a Qualcomm processor and ROOTED"
I just use it on my phone, it ask for root access with a pop up.
Anyway, thanks for what you're trying to do here.
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Thanks for the information!
Would it not be simple to disable, first, all LTE bands. Then ensure you don't get a signal. Then enable just the LTE band you want to test (20 in this case) and see?
duraaraa said:
Would it not be simple to disable, first, all LTE bands. Then ensure you don't get a signal. Then enable just the LTE band you want to test (20 in this case) and see?
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That's more work than just rooting the phone and using LTE Discovery.
At least, I don't have the time disable all bands but B20... drive to (and find) an area where B20 is active, test it out .... go back home and start all over again.
I think could be a good idea to enable only the B20, I don't know exactly how my carrier send the 3 bands in my Zone. If they send all 3 bands 3-7-20 in the City.
The Problem is to know where can I find a covery area for the B20, than your idea will be good.
First I have to be sure that if something happen at the phone, I can reinstall it. I read that with Mi PC Suite is possible but now is not supportet the mi5 on this tool
TheUltrametricSpace said:
That's more work than just rooting the phone and using LTE Discovery.
At least, I don't have the time disable all bands but B20... drive to (and find) an area where B20 is active, test it out .... go back home and start all over again.
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Could always take a laptop with you :silly:
Seriously though as long as LTE Discovery is doing its' job though you wouldn't need to disable the other bands.
Keeping a close eye on this thread
kylemd said:
Could always take a laptop with you :silly:
Seriously though as long as LTE Discovery is doing its' job though you wouldn't need to disable the other bands.
Keeping a close eye on this thread
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Right, yes I have a notebook, and will bring it to the cabin next weekend. (Where there should be B20) ... if I didn't root the phone by then, I will go for your suggestion
But I was hoping to root it, and try it when I'm out skiing somewhere on a hill. (That will happen before the easter weekend)
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I have been searching and searching about this since long before I even got my Touch Pro(well actually AT&T Fuze) and I have stumbled across some information on the subject but not any real definitive answers.
Here in this thread, you can see that the Xperia X1 was enabled for the 1700Mhz network:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=427316
In post #377 of this thread here, there is even a screenshot:
http://www.bengalboy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1107&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&start=370
I know there is a thread in the Blackstone section here and maybe even more.
My question is does anyone think this is possible and do you think it will happen anytime in the near future?
I'm a T-Mobile US customer and I'm dealing with the slow EDGE speeds but would prefer T-Mobile's 3G and I know I'm not alone here.
I think it's definitely something worth doing since it will drastically increase the market for these phones. Increasing the market will increase the user base and the more users, the better the community could be.
Just my 2 cents.
EDIT::
Here is that screenshot of the Sony Xperia X1 with the 1700Mhz UMTS Band enabled:
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From what I have been led to believe that a security unlocked Touch Pro is capable of using the Xperia's Radio. If it's capable of using the Xperia's Radio then it should be capable of using the 1700 Band.
This is a project I hope will become a popular topic.
And forgive me for starting a new thread. I know there are many others out there like this but I just figured creating a dedicated thread that was fresh and right at the top was a good idea.
unless I am mistaken and this is the case with other HTC devices it is not the software that controlls which radio frequency it can handle its hardware has to be capable of supporting that frequency which I dont think the Fuze is capable.
bkeaver said:
unless I am mistaken and this is the case with other HTC devices it is not the software that controlls which radio frequency it can handle its hardware has to be capable of supporting that frequency which I dont think the Fuze is capable.
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The Fuze, hardware wise, is nearly identical to the Touch Pro. Also I read in one of the older threads that the antenna is capable of supporting the 1700Mhz Band because it is so close to the 1800Mhz Band. It's just an antenna.
What needs to be changed are drivers. Our devices have the same chipset as the T-Mobile HTC G1. Why can't we port that radio to the Raphael?
I always thought u could retune the antenna sort of like a radio to make it work on another frequency but I think it would have to be a hardware modification like opening up the device and using jtag to change it
dharvey4651 said:
The Fuze, hardware wise, is nearly identical to the Touch Pro. Also I read in one of the older threads that the antenna is capable of supporting the 1700Mhz Band because it is so close to the 1800Mhz Band. It's just an antenna.
What needs to be changed are drivers. Our devices have the same chipset as the T-Mobile HTC G1. Why can't we port that radio to the Raphael?
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I think what you said is definitely true. The only different, as I understand, its that Pro blocks the 850/1700/1800 when shipped to different countries. Like the one I am using is the HTC Pro that claims to be quad band with all the necessary freq. on board.
Please let me know if there is anything I could help since I want to use mine with ATT 3g if possible
I am a TE major, so maybe I would still some of my knowledge
Thanks
I think my question is:
In the band tab in phone, I could choose the similar settings as AT&T is using, 850+1900, but why is it not going to the 3G icon?
I am researching on this and hopefully could come back with answer.
huh....maybe I need to security unlock this and flash with AT&T radio?
Hey guys sorry to jump into the mix, but i just wanted to say something. My friend at work has a G1 with the G1 data package and i wanted to show him the skyfire browser because he didnt beleave that it played embeded flash videos. at the time i did not have any data package on my Touch Pro so i askekd to use his sim card. When i used his sim card to browse skyfire and Opera the speeds were crazy fast, it could not have been GPRS or EDGE...it was way to fast. So does this play any part in trying to access the 1700Mhz Band.
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Hey guys sorry to jump into the mix, but i just wanted to say something. My friend at work has a G1 with the G1 data package and i wanted to show him the skyfire browser because he didnt beleave that it played embeded flash videos. at the time i did not have any data package on my Touch Pro so i askekd to use his sim card. When i used his sim card to browse skyfire and Opera the speeds were crazy fast, it could not have been GPRS or EDGE...it was way to fast. So does this play any part in trying to access the 1700Mhz Band.
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By default, you should be able to see what connection you have on the rapheal. is it showing an E/H/3G?
Well that was few weeks ago so i cant really remember which it was accessing...but i know the speeds of Edge and Gprs and that was not it. maybe it was hsdpa or 3g. with edge or gprs playing video in skyfire gives you that lag or constant buffer, whatever i was on that day was fast, very fast..even my friend said it moved faster than his G1 using 3G.
hova08 said:
Well that was few weeks ago so i cant really remember which it was accessing...but i know the speeds of Edge and Gprs and that was not it. maybe it was hsdpa or 3g. with edge or gprs playing video in skyfire gives you that lag or constant buffer, whatever i was on that day was fast, very fast..even my friend said it moved faster than his G1 using 3G.
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Any possibility you may have had your WIFI turned on and that's how that happened? Definitely interesting though. Maybe I need to go and ask for a 3G sim card?
This would be awesome, I am tired of EDGE speeds when there is Tmobile 3G signal in the places I am at. I have a G1 as well but don't use it because they detect IMEI and won't let me use data if I don't specifically have their G1 DATA package. Weird how in the picture it is 3G only and no GSM to fall back on. Too bad my device is not security unlocked.
johnny13oi said:
Weird how in the picture it is 3G only and no GSM to fall back on. Too bad my device is not security unlocked.
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Yeah there were other photos that displayed the GSM options but I only copied this one.
Yeah I'm not security unlocked yet either but I plan to get unlocked as soon as either Oilpro PMs me back or I get the money to purchase the security unlock...
I just don't understand why he's charging for all of this. Back in the day when I had a Wizard(T-Mobile MDA) this was all free. I guess different time different people different way of working...
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Yeah there were other photos that displayed the GSM options but I only copied this one.
Yeah I'm not security unlocked yet either but I plan to get unlocked as soon as either Oilpro PMs me back or I get the money to purchase the security unlock...
I just don't understand why he's charging for all of this. Back in the day when I had a Wizard(T-Mobile MDA) this was all free. I guess different time different people different way of working...
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yep, I am waiting for his kindness now.
the issue we are facing is not hardware. I think it bares in the radio stack that the hardware receives. As the specs they are, the HTC Pro is identical to ATT Fuze, and it should be able to discover all freqs 850+1800+1900+2100. So there must be something in protocol that prevents us to use the 3g network.
I am gather evidence that this is doable and once Olipro would be kind enough to help my security unlock this, I will start digging in.
Thanks
EDIT: OK, just got pm from Olipro, no luck on free unlock. Guess I need to find some money to pay on this now
UMTS 850MHz
There are people already working on this here :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420865&page=40
I think this would also answer whether or not the 1700MHz would be usable also.
Cheers
Sorry to disappoint, but 1700mhz won't be possible unless HTC releases a UMTS-IV version of the Touch Pro. The UMTS radio is not like the GSM radio (which was unlocked on the Diamond to give it quad-GSM).
This was covered at great length in the X1 forum, but the 1700mhz option you see on the prototype X1 is a software oversight. If you read the BengalBoy thread, you will see that he was unable to connect to Tmobile's 3G network regardless of the setting. That's because the X1 radio simply does not have UMTS-IV (1700/2100mhz) support, and it cannot be "unlocked".
The reason a "UMTS (1700)" option exists in the first place is because Japanese carrier e-Mobile uses UMTS 1700 (band IX, which does not use 2100mhz and is therefore incompatible with Tmo US 3G). Moreover, if it was really meant to support Tmo 3G, the option should read "UMTS (1700/2100) + GSM (850/1900)".
If you search Kaiser forums, you can find a CAB that adds the "UMTS (1700)" option into WM, but it is intended exclusively for e-mobile subscribers and does nothing for anyone else who does not have a UMTS-IX (e-Mobile) phone.
dharvey4651 said:
Any possibility you may have had your WIFI turned on and that's how that happened? Definitely interesting though. Maybe I need to go and ask for a 3G sim card?
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Yes i am very sure i was not using wifi, only my friends G1 Sim card with the $35.00 G1 data package. wifi was not on as i only powered the phone after putting in his Sim card. i will do another comparison tomorrow when i see him at work. but i do think using the better data package does something. if any of you guys have friends with G1's and the G1 data package ask to so a test using your Touch Pro and reports the speeds you browse at or the data rate.
Hi, just to share results of my research on dual-SIM, simultaneous 4G/3G capable phones.
Do note that there are confusing and ofttimes purposely misleading terms; there are differences between:
the use of FDD-LTE vs. TD-LTE (sometimes misleadingly referred to as "dual LTE")
the ability to switch the "primary SIM/slot" (which has LTE/4G+/4G/3.5G/3G capabilities) with the second/secondary slot without physically swapping the SIM cards (refer to misleading/misinformed information within the OneNote notebook as linked, from no less than one of Singapore's leading telcos)
the ability to simultaneously maintain a 4G/3G connection on both SIMs
Before we start seeing responses in this thread from people asking:
why would you need 2nd SIM to be on 3G at the same time?
simply because there are countries that:
will be shutting down their 2G networks (e.g. US, AU, SG)
have service providers that do not run 2G (i.e. GSM) networks at all (e.g. CA, JP, KR)
why would you need two data connections?
There is a difference between: data connections and voice connections over 3G; if your phone is currently on LTE/4G+/4G and both your handset or your service provider/current service cell tower is not VOLTE-capable, make a phone call and you will note the connection "drops" to 3G (voice).
(caveat: there may be some people that want dual/separate data paths for different apps, but I believe those to be in the minority and not the target/purpose of my research)
The "crop" of "current" generation dual-SIM capable phones in wide-spread markets from the "big guns" (e.g. LG G5, Samsung Galaxy S7 and A 2016-series) cover points #1 and #2, but fail on point #3.
Legend:
highlighted in green background: arguably best in class
highlighted in red background with white text: arguably worst in class (or does not meet the needs of this article; i.e. "4G + 2G only")
red text: warning/of detrimental note
"question marked": unsure/unchecked
For the bands and the countries, that is for my internal reference only, covering most of the countries of my concern; please use that as a guide; I will not entertain requests to add more countries (as it will be a herculean/endless task).
Do note the table is incomplete (those with question marks); particularly I stopped bothering about other aspects if I confirmed it was not simultaneous 4G/3G capable. If you know of any other simultaneous 4G/3G-capable phones, please let me know to add them, but please stick to "current" phones (i.e. announced/released from 2015 or preferably mid-2015 onwards) and please also provide at least two other "official" references confirming said capability (and please do not use two "sources" that circularly-reference each other or the same "source").
NOTE: I have not stated nor verified VOLTE, either on SIM #1 or switchable primary, which is another point of interest for me; if you have any information, please let me know as well.
Thanks!
P.S.: Whereas I have seen quite a few direct edits, corrections and contributions, someone (eventually) deleted the entire page. It has been restored but made read-only for now; please PM me and I will provide an editable link.
Meanwhile, until someone else finds a better way, or I find the 2+ hours needed to properly tabulate it (i.e. put it into an easier-to-read table), consider this version "stale" from herein.
I think the only smartphone is mi 5
Good thread @reb00tz ! Hope more people reply and help keep this updated...
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I think the only smartphone is mi 5
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Yes, as of current, my research shows exactly that. For the record, I have personally tested the S7/Edge, Z5 Premium Dual and G5, and now own two Mi 5 Pros... The Mi 5 Pros work beautifully, except for:
irritating CN bloatware (and Mi App Store stubbornly sticking to showing CN instead of EN despite language settings)
Xiaomi's framework overriding and interfering with standard Google framework (in the name of their "optimisation", which I have turned off with little detrimental effect overall)
stupid, self-serving "official" forum (en.miui.com; but that is a rant for another thread in another sub-forum)
I will leave my "user's review" for a separate post in a separate thread in the correct sub-forum another time...
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Good thread @reb00tz ! Hope more people reply and help keep this updated...
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Thanks, @roosta!
I will try to clean it up and also update it... I will try to keep it updated as long as it remains relevant (i.e. when most leading phones are still claiming dual-SIM capabilities but remain 4G+2G only)...
To be added: the Xiaomi Mi Max and the "new" Sony X and XA series (which appears to be near launch here in SG)...
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I suppose phones being released after the mi5 in China could all copy this 4g/3g capable tech.
We might see a number of choices later this year, Q3 or Q4.
There is no news with further release of a true dual 4G or 3G phone, probably too costly and a power drain.
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There is no news with further release of a true dual 4G or 3G phone, probably too costly and a power drain.
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Not sure if the Mi 5 counts as a "true" dual 4G/3G phone - that depends on your definition of "true". However, as mentioned above, I may confirm that the Chinese Mi 5 supports both SIMs to be on a LTE + 3G network.
I can confirm that the Sony Xperia Z3 Dual D6633 only supports 4G + 2G as I own this phone.
Sony Xperia X Performance supports 4G+3G, I can confirm this.
The OnePlus 3 has been confirmed by user reports to support 3G on the secondary SIM slot as well.
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The OnePlus 3 has been confirmed by user reports to support 3G on the secondary SIM slot as well.
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majority of the dual sim supports 4g and 3g in sim 1and 2, but does it support 4G in sim 1 and 3G in sim 2 simultaneous.
Yes, that is what I'm talking about. You can have the OnePlus 3's primary SIM card registered on a 4G or 3G network while the secondary SIM will still register on 3G simultaneously. Let's call this dual-3G capability.
Any Confirmation that the Mi Max supports 4G/3G like the mi5 does? Or is it like the Redmi note 3 pro 4G / 2G combo?
There's a discussion in another forum at hardwarezone, but I'm not yet allowed to post links.
What I can read out, the capability is requires both hardware, i.e. Qualcomm Snapdragon 820/823 Qualcomm Snapdragon 617/625/650/652, as well as software.
The following should according to the link above, support one sim card on 3g/4g (voice/data) and the other sim card (2g?)/3g (voice only) simultaneously.
Of course only counting the dual sim versions.
LeTV LeEco Le Max 2 (Qualcomm Snapdragon 820)
Oneplus Three (Qualcomm Snapdragon 820) - confirmed
Sony Xperia X Performance (Qualcomm Snapdragon 820)
Xiaomi Mi5 (Qualcomm Snapdragon 820) - confirmed
Xiaomi Mi Max (Qualcomm Snapdragon 650)
Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Pro (Qualcomm Snapdragon 650 Snapdragon) (un-officially - Need to un-lock and flash modifed rom)
Zenfone 3 (Qualcomm Snapdragon 625) link in hardwarezone thread
Zenfone 3 Ultra (Qualcom Snapdragon 652) link in hardwarezone thread
ZUK Z2 pro (Qualcomm Snapdragon 820)
In another link I can read confirmation at a conference of:
Moto G4 (Qualcomm Snapdragon 617)
Moto G4 Plus (Qualcomm Snapdragon 617)
Codename_Falcon said:
I can confirm that the Sony Xperia Z3 Dual D6633 only supports 4G + 2G as I own this phone.
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Hi @Codename_Falcon, thanks for the tip... I am in the midst of re-vamping the entire table and will add this in when done.
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Sony Xperia X Performance supports 4G+3G, I can confirm this.
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Hi @kms108, thanks for the tip... I am in the midst of re-vamping the entire table and will add this in when done. I know XDA "kinda sucks" since we cannot add images without them being available somewhere else online, but I would appreciate it if you could send a screenshot or something, or another non-circular-referencing post for me to "back up" this claim before I add this...
Xperia X Performance is not 3G/Dual capable
This page on Sony's website http://support.sonymobile.com/global-en/xperiaxperformancedual/userguide/Selecting-mobile-networks/ list these valid configurations:
One LTE network and one GSM network
One WCDMA network and one GSM network
Two GSM networks
Obviously no good for those of us seeking to use in 3G only locations...
elbowz said:
Xperia X Performance is not 3G/Dual capable
This page on Sony's website http://support.sonymobile.com/global...bile-networks/ list these valid configurations:
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Thanks, but this is in conflict with what @kms108 a few posts before (and considering that is from an owner, I am inclined to believe that person, although I am still waiting for hard(er) proof). However, it may be true in your neck of the woods if the secondary radio does not support the LTE or 3G bands there. (is NZ any different from AU for radio bands?)
toban231 said:
There's a discussion in another forum at hardwarezone, but I'm not yet allowed to post links.
What I can read out, the capability is requires both hardware, i.e. Qualcomm Snapdragon 820/823 Qualcomm Snapdragon 617/625/650/652, as well as software.
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Thanks, @toban231; would you be able to just post the links without the http:// prefixes and stuff? I will attempt to update this thread and the OneNote notebook.
inquisitor said:
Yes, that is what I'm talking about. You can have the OnePlus 3's primary SIM card registered on a 4G or 3G network while the secondary SIM will still register on 3G simultaneously. Let's call this dual-3G capability.
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Sony Xperia X Performance supports 4G+3G, I can confirm this.
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Thanks, @inquisitor and @kms108; would you be able to provide verification (photos, links, etc?).
Codename_Falcon said:
I can confirm that the Sony Xperia Z3 Dual D6633 only supports 4G + 2G as I own this phone.
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Thanks, @Codename_Falcon, but I realised that the Z3 is too old a phone to be included...
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Thanks, but this is in conflict with what @kms108 a few posts before (and considering that is from an owner, I am inclined to believe that person, although I am still waiting for hard(er) proof). However, it may be true in your neck of the woods if the secondary radio does not support the LTE or 3G bands there. (is NZ any different from AU for radio bands?)
No worries... the link is from the global Sony support site so I don't think it's NZ specific - and as most of our phones are AU market devices anyway it shouldn't be related to band support... The fact that Sony has taken the trouble to publish this info suggests that it's likely to be accurate, however it wouldn't be the first time an OEM's support site has published misleading information.
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It's not possible to post screen shots, there is no way to show any indication for the dual 3G or 4G+3G simultaneously on the same screen shot, you just have to take my word for it.
dual 4G(LTE) is not possible, if this is selected a pop put will state LTE is only selectable for one sim card socket only.
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That being said.
As I don't have a 4G sim, I have set both sim in settings for WCDMA only and I can make or receiver calls from either sim, from a friend it has also been confirmed working in japan where 2G (GSM) doesn't exist, that sim 1 is used for calls and sim 2 used for data, at the same time the V10 was also used in Japan, where sim 1 is usable, and sim 2 does not receive any signal, as the V10 is only 4G or 3G+2G.
The phone is the Hong Kong Version XP (F8132), do note the Xperia X and Xperia XA (Ultra) does not support this feature.
Update, I also think the Samsung Note 7 also supports the same feature, but can't confirm exactly if this is correct.
Hi all,
X822
6GB - 64GB
5.9.021S
LTE works perfectly. Both SIM slots. Multiple networks (in multiple countries).
The problem I have is 4G+ never registers, the device never picks up the SCC. I've used diagnostic apps to ensure its not just a UI glitch in areas with definite LTEA CAT6 coverage.
Is it working for anyone, if so can you shed details of in what environment?
Cheers,
Scratching.
For me is not working Carrier Aggregation , I have Orange and they have CA between B03 and B07 .
I never see it working with this phone and I was trying all the baseband s that I can find....
I've tried to examine the UEs reports to the eNode. The problem is formatting in the app I'm using is dire and I cant copy/paste.
The Supported Band List confirms bands:
3
20
1
2
4
5
7
8
12
17
25
26
38
39
40
41
The Band Combination Parameters lists is unreadable on a narrow display so I'm going to try an alternative.
4G+ works good in Norway
Scratchling said:
Hi all,
X822
6GB - 64GB
5.9.021S
LTE works perfectly. Both SIM slots. Multiple networks (in multiple countries).
The problem I have is 4G+ never registers, the device never picks up the SCC. I've used diagnostic apps to ensure its not just a UI glitch in areas with definite LTEA CAT6 coverage.
Is it working for anyone, if so can you shed details of in what environment?
Cheers,
Scratching.
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Le max2 X822 and X829 works good for me with 4G+ with Telenor in Norway
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kaonlover123 said:
Le max2 X822 and X829 works good for me with 4G+ with Telenor in Norway
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With my x822 4G+ only works in sim 2
kaonlover123 said:
Le max2 X822 and X829 works good for me with 4G+ with Telenor in Norway
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With my x822 4G+ only works in sim 2
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Thanks Kaonlover. Thats a great idea for me to check as its possible to see if the phone reports differently to the cell from the two slots.
To update, QPST half working at the minute. Working on it.
Please keep us informed of your progress .
For me is not working at all CA , here Orange have CA on B03 +B07 .
I can see the LTE RRC handshakes in NSG but cant find same in QXDM. Some fields are populating but others aren't.
Really as its designed for telco/OEM engineers I could do with a hand from a pro. Any offers?
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Pretty sure these 1610 events are what we want, but the data itself still eludes me.
No 4G signal what so ever
im not getting whatsoever 4G signal i tried all the roms i tried also to unlock all the bands but when i force the mobile to run on 4G im getting no signal ..nothing just out the service and im sure is not the sim cart because it was on my another phone with 4G LTE with no problems.
Did you managed to solve your issue? Any programs you can suggest to check LTE status?
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Did you managed to solve your issue? Any programs you can suggest to check LTE status?
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Never did.
@Scratchling I have been looking into this issue quite a bit on my x829. It can do LTE+ with B1+B3 but not B3+B7 even though it supports them all. I think it is up to carrier aggregation settings. However I even tried to set the settings with QPST and it still did not work. I am out of ideas for now. I got a X720 Pro3 and in some cases it selects different uplink and downlink bands and chooses wisely and makes a huge difference in network speed. I guess it would have been easier if I had an X820 model, then I could try to copy all the settings. Anyway, not worth the trouble considering how cheap these phones are and even without LTE+ it works rather OK most times.
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@Scratchling I have been looking into this issue quite a bit on my x829. It can do LTE+ with B1+B3 but not B3+B7 even though it supports them all. I think it is up to carrier aggregation settings. However I even tried to set the settings with QPST and it still did not work. I am out of ideas for now. I got a X720 Pro3 and in some cases it selects different uplink and downlink bands and chooses wisely and makes a huge difference in network speed. I guess it would have been easier if I had an X820 model, then I could try to copy all the settings. Anyway, not worth the trouble considering how cheap these phones are and even without LTE+ it works rather OK most times.
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Yup. I'm looking for B3+B20 here.
My suspicion is either:
A. LeEco were too lazy to configure the baseband with all possible band combination confs
B. Qualcomm licence on a part by part basis and they cheaped out on it
In any case the phone is now ~14mo old, and has its issues. Probably not worth bothering with as I'm sure I'll buy a Mi Mix 2 or similar soon.
My X829 works on LTE+ in Chicago USA but only with FIXNAOP5801607292S rom.Any other roms i only get LTE and 4G indicators.
What i did was that as soon I installed TWRP ,still with FIXNAOP5801607292S rom,i made a backup of everything.Now when i install any rom i restore ONLY firmware and EFS from my FIXNAOP5801607292S rom backup and i get LTE+ with any rom.
If i flash ANY of the Modems zip floating around i get only LTE or 4G but NO +
My download speed with LTE+ is 60-80 mbps
with LTE i get 30-45 mbps
AT&T Band 4
pedrazamarcos said:
My X829 works on LTE+ in Chicago USA but only with FIXNAOP5801607292S rom.Any other roms i only get LTE and 4G indicators.
What i did was that as soon I installed TWRP ,still with FIXNAOP5801607292S rom,i made a backup of everything.Now when i install any rom i restore ONLY firmware and EFS from my FIXNAOP5801607292S rom backup and i get LTE+ with any rom.
If i flash ANY of the Modems zip floating around i get only LTE or 4G but NO +
My download speed with LTE+ is 60-80 mbps
with LTE i get 30-45 mbps
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Oh, that's very very interesting!
Edit: Can you let us know what band combination?
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Oh, that's very very interesting!
Edit: Can you let us know what band combination?
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AT&T Band 4
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AT&T Band 4
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If you have a minute and are rooted a screenshot from this app would be delightful (Carrier Agg page)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.qtrun.QuickTest&hl=en
Scratchling said:
If you have a minute and are rooted a screenshot from this app would be delightful (Carrier Agg page)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.qtrun.QuickTest&hl=en
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Thank You for posting the pictures below.
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I have tried to post the pictures but the system does not let me to just upload the picture,it ask for a link.I tried posting from my google drive and i tried direct links.don't know if works
Anyways,Signal Guru says: 2 carriers,and bands 4 and 17
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Thanks Pedra, I've added the screeners below in an embeddable format.
2CA 10Mhz is a good start
I just got a BlackView BV9000 Pro in the mail. I stuck my SIM card in it and its being read, I can see my contacts and phone number from it. But its not able to log into my network for whatever reason.
I took it to the ATT store to have them verify I had the correct APN and they made a new SIM for me, but it still didn't work for them either.
I've also noticed the boot up screen shows on boot, then waits for me to unlock it, then in splashes again before waiting me to unlock it a second time before it goes to the home-screen. This gives me the idea that the phone might be DOA or the ROM might be corrupted.
I am in Orlando, FL and just got my Blackview BV9000 in the mail and have the EXACT same problem. I too am with ATT and tried switching SIM cards and all the correct APN info....any luck solving this? Thanks.
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I am in Orlando, FL and just got my Blackview BV9000 in the mail and have the EXACT same problem. I too am with ATT and tried switching SIM cards and all the correct APN info....any luck solving this? Thanks.
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I called AT&T again and spoke with someone more willing to help. It appears we are the earliest of adopters here. Their system just doesn't recognize the phone because they've never heard of it.
Engineering said they would be researching the phone and adding the model to the network.
Give them another call and get yourself in the queue to get it added.
10-4, I will call them today....any idea how long this will take? Thanks, at least I'm not in this alone, lol!
Please tell me you guys didn't buy that? If the system doesn't have the device then it reg as an unknown device and will still work.
They told me it would take under 2 weeks, that was a couple days ago.
@zelendel I'm not sure what you are getting at. I'm only going by what they told me.
Something about the system defaults to 2g for unknown devices but they have decommissioned all of their 2g network, so I have nothing until they add it to their system .
ihdude said:
They told me it would take under 2 weeks, that was a couple days ago.
@zelendel I'm not sure what you are getting at. I'm only going by what they told me.
Something about the system defaults to 2g for unknown devices but they have decommissioned all of their 2g network, so I have nothing until they add it to their system .
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What I'm getting at is that is bs. I worked for att and know just how this works. And that line is complete crap.
After looking at the specs for that device I'm betting you will still have issues due to the bands needed to get 3g or lte on att. As long as the device supports the bands it will connect automatically to the bands needed. This is how their byod works.
And after looking at the specs. I'm right. It is missing most of the bands needed.
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And after looking at the specs. I'm right. It is missing most of the bands needed.
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That's not good... I ordered 3 of them....
Bands were checked....still no connect.
Blackview's tech told me to check the bands too...(which I did before purchase), and according to ATT, the phone has the correct bands to connect....ATT uses the following: GSM 850 & GSM 1900....Black view BV9000 Pro has GSM 850, 900, 1800, and 1900. ATT uses the following LTE band frequencies: 700, 1700, 1900, 2100, and 2300........Blackview BV9000 Pro has LTE 700, 850, 1700, 1800, 1900, 2100, and 2600. These are the identical band frequencies my Samsung 8+ has.......thoughts anyone? Thanks!
http://www.gsmchoice.com/en/compare/15404/7367/9347/0/
https://www.droid-life.com/2015/02/...sm-cdma-wcdma-lte-verizon-att-sprint-tmobile/
http://www.china-prices.com/phone/bands/10171/blackview-bv9000-pro
http://www.china-prices.com/phone/bands/9489/samsung-galaxy-note8-msm8998
I really thought it would match up enough to at least connect to the network.
I had the G1 back in the day and made do with 2g on the att network
Specs DO match up...
Yeah, ATT urged me to reach out to Blackview, (which I have)....because according to the phone specs, it should connect "no doubt"....the numbers don't lie, the tech said. They DO match up.....
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Yeah, ATT urged me to reach out to Blackview, (which I have)....because according to the phone specs, it should connect "no doubt"....the numbers don't lie, the tech said. They DO match up.....
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Yeah, ATT urged me to reach out to Blackview, (which I have)....because according to the phone specs, it should connect "no doubt"....the numbers don't lie, the tech said. They DO match up.....
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Yeah, ATT urged me to reach out to Blackview, (which I have)....because according to the phone specs, it should connect "no doubt"....the numbers don't lie, the tech said. They DO match up.....
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But they don't completely. They are missing most of the 4g bands.
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In your experience zelendel, do you think it would connect to T-mobile (or another) since it appears to have both of their bands listed?
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In your experience zelendel, do you think it would connect to T-mobile (or another) since it appears to have both of their bands listed?
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If it has all of their bands then yes. But if it is missing even one then you might run into issues.
This is a lesson that many have forgotten with the availability of global devices. China uses different bands then the states. This means most times devices sold from China will not always work in the states.
I make a habit to make sure all the bands are listed. This way there is never an issue.
I have a BV9000 Pro here and can see the supported Bands (not only frequencies) in the MTK Engeneer Mode ("call" *#9646633# and go to Telephony > Band Mode > SIM1". Maybe this helps you.
BV9000 Pro supports:
GSM Mode: EGSM900, DCS1800, PCS1900, GSM850
UMTS Mode: WCDMA-IMT-2000, WCDMA-GSM-900
LTE Mode: Band 1,3,7,8,20 (only for SIM1 deeper on the tray, not for upper SIM2)
I have the same problem i already sent my problem to blackview, i tried everything *#*#4636#*#* but for some reason my bv9000 pro when i tried to select radio band just dont have any answer... I also tried several apn but still my 4g keep witouth working. If for some reason i fix my problem i let you know...
icrmadrid said:
I have the same problem i already sent my problem to blackview, i tried everything *#*#4636#*#* but for some reason my bv9000 pro when i tried to select radio band just dont have any answer... I also tried several apn but still my 4g keep witouth working. If for some reason i fix my problem i let you know...
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There is no fixing it. If it doesn't have the bands for your carrier then you are sol. Remember you get what you pay for. When you go cheap you have to make sacrifices.
HEY!!! Two points:
1) When you are checking frequencies of phone and carrier (to see if they match) you need to know the "B" number. For example, there are at least 4 "B" numbers for 700MHz that I am aware of. So if your phone spec says 700MHz, is it B12 700MHz or B17 700MHz or B28 700MHz? Right frequency alone means nothing. Having said that, the BV9000 has ALL the right "B" numbers to fully support both 3G and 4G LTE on AT&T, T-Mobile, and many resellers. All it is missing is 600MHz that T-Mobile is rolling out. But I don't think T-mobile even offers a handset for that yet. So it's as "compatible" as anything you could purchase directly from AT&T or T-Mobile, at the moment.
2) I have owned many Chinese phones. Without exception, they all need to be tweaked a bit when you first unpack them, or they will NOT connect to ANY carrier, even with a properly activated SIM. The process is roughly..... A) Go into setup menus to enable data on SIM 1 (or SIM 2) B) Go into setup to enable ROAMING data for SIM1 (or SIM 2). You must say to allow roaming because when the phone is new, technically ALL networks are "ROAMING". You will get a warning message about roaming data usage being expensive, acknowledge it. C) Power the phone down completely powered off. D) Turn the phone on and wait five minutes. E) Sometimes you have to do step C and D 2 or 3 times before you will get a connection.
NOTE: Before you successfully enable data and roaming data and reboot, you will not be able to make phone calls or send/receive text messages. You will likely get a "no service" message or a signal strength indicator of NO bars. Also, for some few handsets, you MIGHT have to manually input the APN settings for whatever network you are trying to use, even if you have a properly activated SIM card for that network. But even if the SIM card is recognized and APN info is loaded automatically....you still need to enable data and roaming data before you can make phone calls, or try to use the Internet.
Even customer service reps for the various carriers are not aware that Chinese phones need to have data and roaming data enabled before any good, activated SIM will work. So if AT&T told somebody to contact Blackview (for example) that would make sense. AT&T really (honestly) probably thinks that the handset is broken. While the handset COULD be broken, it's probably working fine, after you tell it that 'yes, I want to roam".
davec8989 said:
HEY!!! Two points:
1) When you are checking frequencies of phone and carrier (to see if they match) you need to know the "B" number. For example, there are at least 4 "B" numbers for 700MHz that I am aware of. So if your phone spec says 700MHz, is it B12 700MHz or B17 700MHz or B28 700MHz? Right frequency alone means nothing. Having said that, the BV9000 has ALL the right "B" numbers to fully support both 3G and 4G LTE on AT&T, T-Mobile, and many resellers. All it is missing is 600MHz that T-Mobile is rolling out. But I don't think T-mobile even offers a handset for that yet. So it's as "compatible" as anything you could purchase directly from AT&T or T-Mobile, at the moment.
2) I have owned many Chinese phones. Without exception, they all need to be tweaked a bit when you first unpack them, or they will NOT connect to ANY carrier, even with a properly activated SIM. The process is roughly..... A) Go into setup menus to enable data on SIM 1 (or SIM 2) B) Go into setup to enable ROAMING data for SIM1 (or SIM 2). You must say to allow roaming because when the phone is new, technically ALL networks are "ROAMING". You will get a warning message about roaming data usage being expensive, acknowledge it. C) Power the phone down completely powered off. D) Turn the phone on and wait five minutes. E) Sometimes you have to do step C and D 2 or 3 times before you will get a connection.
NOTE: Before you successfully enable data and roaming data and reboot, you will not be able to make phone calls or send/receive text messages. You will likely get a "no service" message or a signal strength indicator of NO bars. Also, for some few handsets, you MIGHT have to manually input the APN settings for whatever network you are trying to use, even if you have a properly activated SIM card for that network. But even if the SIM card is recognized and APN info is loaded automatically....you still need to enable data and roaming data before you can make phone calls, or try to use the Internet.
Even customer service reps for the various carriers are not aware that Chinese phones need to have data and roaming data enabled before any good, activated SIM will work. So if AT&T told somebody to contact Blackview (for example) that would make sense. AT&T really (honestly) probably thinks that the handset is broken. While the handset COULD be broken, it's probably working fine, after you tell it that 'yes, I want to roam".
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Is this a way to get a LTE network in US ?
I heard that the phone needs a Global ROM Network Firmware? is this something that you guys heard? if it does, how and where do I get this firmware?
My Brother in law said this is what Dealer in indonesia do when receiving phones from china, they alter it and download Global Rom network before they re-sale the phone to public.
Hi all,
I tried searching xda forums but didn't find a place to ask the question. I have Verizon Palm phone 2018 model, but since Palm released this phone as standalone and sells on their website. I wanted to find out if anyone knows where or when can I find a firmware for the device, as I want to debrand it.
Any info about this? Really want to flash my Verizon branded Palm 2018 to an unlocked firmware
There seems to be very little discussion on the Palm Phone PVG100 here on XDA. We should start to see a lot more people on here looking to customize it, since it's a bargain (1/4 retail) as a refurb on eBay. I just picked one up and am curious if anyone has unlocked the bootloader, loaded TWRP, and rooted this thing.
I too am looking for a rom for this. I picked one of these up from verizon, and have been using it on tmobile with no problem, but want to get rid of the Verizon apps and branding.
Also, there seems to be MUCH room for improvement on battery life if the ROM is cleaned up.
It's a really nifty little device, just needs some TLC.
I was able to get to the bootloader via typical ADB commands, but can't locate any kind of ROM dump for these. I'm really surprised there isn't more discussion about these little buggers.
Palm PVG100
Hi everyone
I'm trying to modify my Palm too and it's curious to see that no information nor material is available online anywhere
I've started a new thread:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/help/palm-pvg100-pepito-development-t3971141
I was able to do something, but I still need help with what i say in my thread.
Basically I would like to take a full backup image of the device before starting tinkering with it, but I can't figure out how to make QPST software (Qualcomm Product Support Tool) show the content of the eMMC memory...
Anyone's help or collaboration for this project would be appreciated a lot!
Thanks!
We're you actually in the bootloader or recovery? I haven't been able to get into bootloader on mine. Any success unlocking bootloader?
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I too am looking for a rom for this. I picked one of these up from verizon, and have been using it on tmobile with no problem, but want to get rid of the Verizon apps and branding.
Also, there seems to be MUCH room for improvement on battery life if the ROM is cleaned up.
It's a really nifty little device, just needs some TLC.
I was able to get to the bootloader via typical ADB commands, but can't locate any kind of ROM dump for these. I'm really surprised there isn't more discussion about these little buggers.
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Are you sure you want to use QPST. I have used it before to unlock LTE bands on a watch, but not for anything with the images / backups. I think the progression is unlocked bootloader, twrp compiled and loaded, then root. I also haven't seen the Pepito source code anywhere. Without that I'm not sure you will get far. I think the biggest hurdle right now is unlocking bootloader.
I've tried many root tools, nothing works.
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StormSeeker1 said:
Hi everyone
I'm trying to modify my Palm too and it's curious to see that no information nor material is available online anywhere
I've started a new thread:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/help/palm-pvg100-pepito-development-t3971141
I was able to do something, but I still need help with what i say in my thread.
Basically I would like to take a full backup image of the device before starting tinkering with it, but I can't figure out how to make QPST software (Qualcomm Product Support Tool) show the content of the eMMC memory...
Anyone's help or collaboration for this project would be appreciated a lot!
Thanks!
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If you do boot into recovery, do not run Emergency Download Mode. You'll have to let the battery slowly die before you can do anything with your device.
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Ok, thank you for your comments, guys, I really appreciate it.
Please feel free to correct me at any time, because I might make mistakes.
Just to make things clear:
I don't know exactly what you mean by "getting into the bootloader"; what I can tell you is that I was able to get into recovery and that in Settings->System->Developer Options (I'm sure you know that they are unlocked by tapping many times on the buid number), the Palm PVG100 (Pepito) has a switch that says "OEM Unlocking (Allow the boot loader to be unlocked)"; can you please comment on this?
It's not mandatory to use QPST, any solution is good for me (by the way, ONE OF THE PURPOSES FOR WHICH I WANT TO HACK INTO THE PHONE IS TO UNLOCK ITALIAN BANDS LIKE YOU!), but, as you say, no ROM exists on the web, so we have to find a way to extract the phone ROM and to decompile it (do you agree?).
TWRP doesn't exist for this phone, but, to compile it we need to extract protected files from the phone, right? (Please let me know if you know of a method to compile it without root access, nor ROM files)
In my opinion FIRST STEP IS TO HAVE A BACKUP IN CASE OF A BRICK, BEFORE STARTING TINKERING WITH RECOVERY, BOOTLOADER, PARTITIONS, ROM, FLASHERS AND ROOTING! (No?)
About EDL mode the problem is non-existent, I found out that, while in EDL mode, the Pepito can be restarted 100% of the time keeping the power button pressed for 2 minutes (120 seconds) (you can use a tight rubber band for this or any other trick), please test it
I've just had an idea, which requires strong reverse engineering skills. I have 2 Pepito phones; the first one has the most recent version of the software (1AGN), while the second one has the PREVIOUS ONE (1AGL) (see following link: https://www.verizonwireless.com/support/knowledge-base-221025/ )
This update must be doing something at an elevated privilege level. What if one sniffs what tnis update is doing when I force the update or reverse engineers the package obtained from the mother company as soon as it gets downloaded? Might it have information on how to sign software to make stock recovery ADB sideload fuction accept them? Or maybe provide us with information on how to enable write operation on protected partitions?
Ok. I can answer some of your questions here.
1. You haven't been in the bootloader, I'm not sure if there is one.
2. The OEM unlock bootloader in Dev options doesn't do anything but allow your phone to function (from that image) if you do unlock it. It's a security thing.
3. You unlock bootloader using fastboot commands, but Verizon is known for really locking down the bootloader.
4. I also have 2 phones on the different os versions as you have for a similar reason. I was hoping the root tools (kingroot, kingoroot, etc..) would be able to root one of them. Not the case. Both are solid from the standpoint of using standard root tools. I haven't seen many of them succeed after Android 7.1 anyhow.
5. Are you sure your bands are not already unlocked? Even if you get QPST to unlock the bands, it may not contain any data. So you will need to find another device with those bands unlocked to copy the data from (and that still may not work well). At this point I stopped my unlocking of bands project, as I'd didn't want to make a mistake and cook my brain. There has been very little success with band unlocking unless those bands already contained the data to function. Be careful with QPST.
6. I'm not a developer, so I can't really help with anything you are looking to do, but this is an amazing device and deserves the attention it needs to be rooted for at the very least better power management. Maybe underclocking.
bensdeals said:
Ok. I can answer some of your questions here.
1. You haven't been in the bootloader, I'm not sure if there is one.
2. The OEM unlock bootloader in Dev options doesn't do anything but allow your phone to function (from that image) if you do unlock it. It's a security thing.
3. You unlock bootloader using fastboot commands, but Verizon is known for really locking down the bootloader.
4. I also have 2 phones on the different os versions as you have for a similar reason. I was hoping the root tools (kingroot, kingoroot, etc..) would be able to root one of them. Not the case. Both are solid from the standpoint of using standard root tools. I haven't seen many of them succeed after Android 7.1 anyhow.
5. Are you sure your bands are not already unlocked? Even if you get QPST to unlock the bands, it may not contain any data. So you will need to find another device with those bands unlocked to copy the data from (and that still may not work well). At this point I stopped my unlocking of bands project, as I'd didn't want to make a mistake and cook my brain. There has been very little success with band unlocking unless those bands already contained the data to function. Be careful with QPST.
6. I'm not a developer, so I can't really help with anything you are looking to do, but this is an amazing device and deserves the attention it needs to be rooted for at the very least better power management. Maybe underclocking.
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Thank you very much for your post, it sheds some lights on the subject.
Well, you say "I'm not sure there is a bootloader", but bootloader is a mandatory piece of the boot chain followed by any device or computer able to boot operating systems, so every device has one; the device might not have a fastboot interface implemented, which is different...but yet annoying...
Standard root tools don't work, I agree, that's why we are looking for developer or board tinkerers help here
I'm 100% sure those bands are not unlocked, because my Italia Samsung Galaxy S5 sees LTE connection, while the Palm doesn't. Also see Palm specs here:
https://www.gsmarena.com/palm_palm-9290.php
It states:
Network
Technology
GSM / HSPA / LTE
2G bands
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G bands
HSDPA 850 / 1700(AWS) / 1900 / 2100
4G bands
LTE band 2(1900), 4(1700/2100), 5(850), 12(700), 13(700), 17(700), 66(1700/2100)
Speed
HSPA 42.2/5.76 Mbps, LTE Cat4 150/50 Mbps
You can see Italian LTE bands here:
https://www.frequencycheck.com/countries/italy
It states:
LTE
Name
Interface
B3 (1800 +)
LTE
B7 (2600)
LTE
B20 (800 DD)
LTE
I also contacted Palm support for the bands, requesting to unlock them in the firmware and they told me "Support for those bands is a hardware limitation, rather than something we can control in firmware. Unfortunately, those phones can't be made compatible with some 4G networks."...BUT DO YOU BELIEVE THEM?...
So, yes, I do have another device with those bands unlocked if needed.
With QPST there's no need to be careful until I find a way to make it communicate in read/write with the Palm :laugh::laugh: (just kidding)
Maybe if someone has opened a Palm phone and seen the internal board and knows how to perform electronic tampering, he can tell us what hardware components are involved in LTE communication (I think its embedded in the CPU...Qualcomm MSM8940 Snapdragon 435 (28 nm)...see the following link: http://phonedb.net/index.php?m=processor&id=658&c=qualcomm_snapdragon_435_msm8940&d=detailed_specs ...it states:
Cellular Communication:
Supported Cellular Data LinksList of supported cellular data links CSD 9.6 kbpsCircuit Switched Data (CSD) is the original data link protocol of GSM. Up to 9600bit/s download speed , GPRS (Class unspecified)General Packet Radio Service , EDGE (Class unspecified)Enhanced Data Rates for GSM Evolution also known as Enhanced GPRS (EGPRS) , UMTS 384 kbps (W-CDMA)Universal Mobile Telecommunications System. UMTS Release '99 data link layer, W-CDMA grants up to 384 kbit/s pocket-switched download speed. , HSUPA (Cat. unspecified)High-Speed Uplink Packet Access is a 3.5G UMTS uplink protocol. , DC-HSDPA 42.2 Mbps (Cat. 24)Dual-carrier HSPA+ 42.2 Mbps , cdmaOne (IS-95) , CDMA2000 1xRTT (IS-2000) , CDMA2000 1xEV-DO Rel. 0 , CDMA2000 1xEV-DO Revision A , CDMA2000 1xEV-DO Revision B , TD-SCDMATime Division Synchronous Code Division Multiple Access is the implementation of UMTS (3G) cellular network in China. , LTE (Cat. unspecified)LTE (Long Term Evolution) or the E-UTRAN (Evolved Universal Terrestrial Access Network), introduced in 3GPP R8, is the 4G access part of the Evolved Packet System (EPS). , LTE 300 Mbps / 100 Mbps (Cat. 7)More exact values: LTE 301 Mbps / 100.8 Mbps (Cat. 7) data links
So I don't see why it doesn't support Italian bands, it makes no sense to me.
An electronic board tinkerer would help us a lot, possibly shorting some JTAG pins inside, maybe to disable read/write protection and, maybe, enable Emergency Download Mode with COM port in 9006 mode or some Diagnostic modes (not the 9008 mode, which was the only one I was able to achieve!)
)
In this forum where do you ask if you want to ask someone to help you connecting remotely to your phone to do live operations on it, using remote COM port software or remote control software (like TeamViewer) or if you need someone able to tinker with board circuitry?
I'm cooking my brain too and I would like to perform the operations you need too for battery life improvement and for my personal cullture, to possibly become of some help for this community, if someone teaches me these things..
Internal images and more details are in the FCC docs here
https://fccid.io/2AOETPVG100
StormSeeker1 said:
Thank you very much for your post, it sheds some lights on the subject.
Well, you say "I'm not sure there is a bootloader", but bootloader is a mandatory piece of the boot chain followed by any device or computer able to boot operating systems, so every device has one; the device might not have a fastboot interface implemented, which is different...but yet annoying...
Standard root tools don't work, I agree, that's why we are looking for developer or board tinkerers help here
I'm 100% sure those bands are not unlocked, because my Italia Samsung Galaxy S5 sees LTE connection, while the Palm doesn't. Also see Palm specs here:
https://www.gsmarena.com/palm_palm-9290.php
It states:
Network
Technology
GSM / HSPA / LTE
2G bands
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G bands
HSDPA 850 / 1700(AWS) / 1900 / 2100
4G bands
LTE band 2(1900), 4(1700/2100), 5(850), 12(700), 13(700), 17(700), 66(1700/2100)
Speed
HSPA 42.2/5.76 Mbps, LTE Cat4 150/50 Mbps
You can see Italian LTE bands here:
https://www.frequencycheck.com/countries/italy
It states:
LTE
Name
Interface
B3 (1800 +)
LTE
B7 (2600)
LTE
B20 (800 DD)
LTE
I also contacted Palm support for the bands, requesting to unlock them in the firmware and they told me "Support for those bands is a hardware limitation, rather than something we can control in firmware. Unfortunately, those phones can't be made compatible with some 4G networks."...BUT DO YOU BELIEVE THEM?...
So, yes, I do have another device with those bands unlocked if needed.
With QPST there's no need to be careful until I find a way to make it communicate in read/write with the Palm :laugh::laugh: (just kidding)
Maybe if someone has opened a Palm phone and seen the internal board and knows how to perform electronic tampering, he can tell us what hardware components are involved in LTE communication (I think its embedded in the CPU...Qualcomm MSM8940 Snapdragon 435 (28 nm)...see the following link: http://phonedb.net/index.php?m=processor&id=658&c=qualcomm_snapdragon_435_msm8940&d=detailed_specs ...it states:
Cellular Communication:
Supported Cellular Data LinksList of supported cellular data links CSD 9.6 kbpsCircuit Switched Data (CSD) is the original data link protocol of GSM. Up to 9600bit/s download speed , GPRS (Class unspecified)General Packet Radio Service , EDGE (Class unspecified)Enhanced Data Rates for GSM Evolution also known as Enhanced GPRS (EGPRS) , UMTS 384 kbps (W-CDMA)Universal Mobile Telecommunications System. UMTS Release '99 data link layer, W-CDMA grants up to 384 kbit/s pocket-switched download speed. , HSUPA (Cat. unspecified)High-Speed Uplink Packet Access is a 3.5G UMTS uplink protocol. , DC-HSDPA 42.2 Mbps (Cat. 24)Dual-carrier HSPA+ 42.2 Mbps , cdmaOne (IS-95) , CDMA2000 1xRTT (IS-2000) , CDMA2000 1xEV-DO Rel. 0 , CDMA2000 1xEV-DO Revision A , CDMA2000 1xEV-DO Revision B , TD-SCDMATime Division Synchronous Code Division Multiple Access is the implementation of UMTS (3G) cellular network in China. , LTE (Cat. unspecified)LTE (Long Term Evolution) or the E-UTRAN (Evolved Universal Terrestrial Access Network), introduced in 3GPP R8, is the 4G access part of the Evolved Packet System (EPS). , LTE 300 Mbps / 100 Mbps (Cat. 7)More exact values: LTE 301 Mbps / 100.8 Mbps (Cat. 7) data links
So I don't see why it doesn't support Italian bands, it makes no sense to me.
An electronic board tinkerer would help us a lot, possibly shorting some JTAG pins inside, maybe to disable read/write protection and, maybe, enable Emergency Download Mode with COM port in 9006 mode or some Diagnostic modes (not the 9008 mode, which was the only one I was able to achieve!)
)
In this forum where do you ask if you want to ask someone to help you connecting remotely to your phone to do live operations on it, using remote COM port software or remote control software (like TeamViewer) or if you need someone able to tinker with board circuitry?
I'm cooking my brain too and I would like to perform the operations you need too for battery life improvement and for my personal cullture, to possibly become of some help for this community, if someone teaches me these things..
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bensdeals said:
Internal images and more details are in the FCC docs here
https://fccid.io/2AOETPVG100
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Wow, thanks, interesting documentation!
Excuse me, looking at the FCC documentation, is there a way to find out if the phone hardware supports Italian LTE bands or not? Please explain exactly what information to look at for understanding this.
Thanks!
This signed at the bottom of the fcc page:
This device contains GSM/WCDMA/LTE functions that are not operational in U.S. Territories. This filing is only applicable for 700 MHz MBS, 850 MHz Cell, 1700 MHz AWS and 1900 MHz PCS operations
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That is even if it has other bands (and it does have them), they weren't tested by FCC.
nemez said:
This signed at the bottom of the fcc page:
That is even if it has other bands (and it does have them), they weren't tested by FCC.
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So Palm probably told me a lie and the hardware supports other bands
There is one additional thing for which I wanted to gain access to the ROM, to root and to custom ROMs and recoveries. Maybe you can help me with this.
I wrote to Palm company, asking:
Good morning
My Palm PVG100 receives Whatsapp messages only when I tap on the Whatsapp icon to open the application, but it's of utmost importance for my job to receive notifications when the phone is locked and to hear the corresponding sound, like it happens with SMS.
How can I achieve this?
Please tell me all steps in detail
Thank you very much in advance!
Francesco
They gave me a list of useless suggestions:
If you are a WhatsApp user and would like to sync your WhatsApp messages between your Palm and another device, you can use WhatsApp Web on one of your devices. WhatsApp allows an account to be signed into the mobile app on one device and another device on WhatsApp Web simultaneously. To setup WhatsApp Web, visit web.whatsapp.com to get started.
Palm Support Team (Palm)
Sep 22, 23:42 PDT
Hi Francisco,
I'm sorry for my unclear response. Are you using WhatsApp on another mobile device, in addition to your Palm?
Have you tried whitelisting the app in the Life Mode advanced menu? Try this out: https://palmsupport.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360021806871-I-am-having-issues-with-notifications
Then I sent them various screenshots showing the settings under which the problem still occurs; I attach a zip file with all the screenshots to this message, can you please have a look at it and help me with your experience, since Palm is not responding?
The behavior is like Whatsapp service gets killed from the background or notifications are held, because notifications come in if they come some seconds after I lock the screen, but if I wait, nothing comes in
When lifemode is on and screen is off, my assumption is everything is off. If you read the 'whitelisting' in lifemode only allows notifications to work in those apps when the screen is on.
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the snapdragon chip will always have all the bands! The only limitation for enabling a disabled band I've seen is 'lack of antennas' no clue exactly what that means, I guess there can be different antenna lengths for different bands. Also as I've seen the lack of data for the bands to operate in qpst
Did you manage to access band data of the Palm in QPST?!
No, I haven't used QPST with the palm. you should try it.
FCC Palm info
we have two hardware Palm version PVG100 and PVG100E/PVG100EU