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I'm not gonna lie, Once an ARM release for Windows 8 gets released, I will put it on the Prime ASAP. Why?
I have been following the Build of Windows 8 for some time. I must admit, I am whole-heartily impressed at the awesome features that are coming. The developer tools that Microsoft released will also make it easy for developers to port their apps to x86 and ARM. The marketplace will open up a store that half a billion people could potentially look at.
Windows is the behemoth of the computing age and they are charging directly into mobile computing. I choose Windows over Android because I want more than what Android has to offer.
I want good browsers, application support, enterprise support, and a desktop OS with Metro integration.
If you want to see why I am excited for Windows 8, don't listen to me!
Watch the first Keynote and you will be wowed at what's coming:
http://channel9.msdn.com/events/BUILD/BUILD2011/KEY-0001
Also, here is the Build Blog, where Microsoft is actually taking advice on creating Windows 8.
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/
I hope everyone is as excited as I am for what's coming. Remember this: Even if you hate Windows-everything, you should be excited for it. Windows 8 will force Android and iOS to really push harder in creating a full-fledged mobile OS.
The Prime is the perfect tablet for both Android, and Windows 8.
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I'm not gonna lie, Once an ARM release for Windows 8 gets released, I will put it on the Prime ASAP. Why?
I have been following the Build of Windows 8 for some time. I must admit, I am whole-heartily impressed at the awesome features that are coming. The developer tools that Microsoft released will also make it easy for developers to port their apps to x86 and ARM. The marketplace will open up a store that half a billion people could potentially look at.
Windows is the behemoth of the computing age and they are charging directly into mobile computing. I choose Windows over Android because I want more than what Android has to offer.
I want good browsers, application support, enterprise support, and a desktop OS with Metro integration.
If you want to see why I am excited for Windows 8, don't listen to me!
Watch the first Keynote and you will be wowed at what's coming:
http://channel9.msdn.com/events/BUILD/BUILD2011/KEY-0001
Also, here is the Build Blog, where Microsoft is actually taking advice on creating Windows 8.
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/
I hope everyone is as excited as I am for what's coming. Remember this: Even if you hate Windows-everything, you should be excited for it. Windows 8 will force Android and iOS to really push harder in creating a full-fledged mobile OS.
The Prime is the perfect tablet for both Android, and Windows 8.
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how much is it going to cost to buy windows 8 for the transformer? if its anything like the current windows, you will have to pay for upgrade and all that.
jblah said:
how much is it going to cost to buy windows 8 for the transformer? if its anything like the current windows, you will have to pay for upgrade and all that.
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That's a good question. Just like every other Windows release out there, if you are too poor; Piracy is just too easy. But I don't think I will resort to that. Something I have noticed is the lack of mentioning toward different versions of Windows 8. If feels as if there will be the consumer, server edition, and ARM edition(?).
I don't know.
Why don't you just wait and get a Windows tablet, if you want a Windows tablet?
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Why don't you just wait and get a Windows tablet, if you want a Windows tablet?
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Because why wait? Windows 8 works great on the Tegra 3 chip! 1GB of RAM is plenty as Windows 8 uses less memory than Windows 7. Also, I love the Transformer. I'm sure Asus will release the Prime for Windows variant, but I love Android as well.
In my opinion Ms has missed the train and that they did it twice,the first one being when they left the WM unsupported and went to WP7 there by giving up the lead to the emreging OSs with a very big margin,and now another grave mistake will be if x86 apps will not run on the ARM version,which will need a couple of years to develop new ones,well I can imagine the IOS and android with there aliready big advantage where will they be by than!!.
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In my opinion Ms has missed the train and that they did it twice,the first one being when they left the WM unsupported and went to WP7 there by giving up the lead to the emreging OSs with a very big margin,and now another grave mistake will be if x86 apps will not run on the ARM version,which will need a couple of years to develop new ones,well I can imagine the IOS and android with there aliready big advantage where will they be by than!!.
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Microsoft is making a painful transition. They are working hard at porting their full Windows OS onto ARM. I believe they see that ARM architecture will be the future of low-power, high performance computing. They will certainly support Windows 8, but what they will struggle with is convincing all x86 developers supporting the Windows platform to port their applications over to ARM as well. It is not Microsoft's fault that ARM will not run x86 applications; it is a necessity and Microsoft cannot afford to wait much longer.
ive actually been thinking about this. i love android and wouldn't replace it on the prime for the world but would it be possible without breaking some laws? i remember when the hd2 got wp7 there was a few threads in the evo forum saying that since we have the same hardware can we get it to. and apparently it violated "warez" or something so we couldn't. so... if this does come to the prime then it would be sweet but idk if it ever will... (p.s. i could be wrong so if anyone has anything to correct me on then please feel free)
I'm definitely interested in dual booting later.. hopefully win installation will be viable in some way.
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ive actually been thinking about this. i love android and wouldn't replace it on the prime for the world but would it be possible without breaking some laws? i remember when the hd2 got wp7 there was a few threads in the evo forum saying that since we have the same hardware can we get it to. and apparently it violated "warez" or something so we couldn't. so... if this does come to the prime then it would be sweet but idk if it ever will... (p.s. i could be wrong so if anyone has anything to correct me on then please feel free)
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I could be wrong about this, but I don't think it's the same case. WP7 is proprietary to Microsoft, which doesn't distribute it freely like Google does with Android. I also don't think consumers can buy a license for WP7 to put on any device, so if the phone doesn't come with it natively, it would be illegal to put it on a non-WP7 phone.
Windows 8, on the other hand, is purchasable buy consumers, so one could legally buy it and put it on whatever device they chose to.
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I could be wrong about this, but I don't think it's the same case. WP7 is proprietary to Microsoft, which doesn't distribute it freely like Google does with Android. I also don't think consumers can buy a license for WP7 to put on any device, so if the phone doesn't come with it natively, it would be illegal to put it on a non-WP7 phone.
Windows 8, on the other hand, is purchasable buy consumers, so one could legally buy it and put it on whatever device they chose to.
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While i fail to see why you would WANT Windows 8, keep in mind that Microsoft may very well not release a purchasable version of Windows 8 ARM to consumers.
mtmerrick said:
While i fail to see why you would WANT Windows 8, keep in mind that Microsoft may very well not release a purchasable version of Windows 8 ARM to consumers.
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Yes, that's a very good point. But still, it was a legitimate answer to the question posed. But you're right that we shouldn't assume that Windows 8 will be purchasable.
Good luck on installing win8 on the transformer. My guess is that it wont be possible without heavy developer effort.
Just wait for the official win8 transformer and install android on it (dual boot):way easier i think
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Tempie007 said:
Good luck on installing win8 on the transformer. My guess is that it wont be possible without heavy developer effort.
Just wait for the official win8 transformer and install android on it (dual boot):way easier i think
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Perhaps. Tegra 3 'Kal-El' is the flagship processor for Windows 8 ARM. I think installing Windows on the Prime will be quite easy as its hardware matches what Microsoft has been demonstrating. I think the hardest thing would be getting the Keyboard Dock functioning.
Tempie007 said:
Good luck on installing win8 on the transformer. My guess is that it wont be possible without heavy developer effort.
Just wait for the official win8 transformer and install android on it (dual boot):way easier i think
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Agree. Unbelievably "heavy developer effort"... add the fact that WinRT on ARM does NOT include the Win8 Desktop stack.
Consider the Microsoft developer effort to:
(1) Port Office and any(all) other applications to WinRT so it can be used on ARM - nothing Win7 nor WP7 will directly port to WinRT except maybe hello world and trivial apps. Without Office on the ARM tablet who cares.
(2) Port WinRT to the Windows Phone replacing WP7.
(3) Perform a COMPLETE UX rewrite of any required applications to Metro touch to run under WinRT on ARM.
(4) Build, support, maintain developer tools for all the above.
(5) A million other things.
Unless Microsoft has infinite resources, I do NOT think they will be competitive with Android nor Apple for years (if ever) in the mobile space. This comment usually causes Microsoft zealots much discomfort and denial.
Without Office-Touch Version on WinRT the WinRT platform will FAIL worse than WP7 is failing now. Office on Windows 7 touch is an abortion, e.g. Samsung XE700t1a with Windows 7. It is a catch-22 for Microsoft to make WinRT Office run on ARM platform because that may not generate the *required* Windows 8 Ultimate Home Premium Standard Business Suite Server license revenues.
So, today, Microsoft has not seriously accomplished anything competitive in the mobile spaces. In the future, there is infinite work to accomplish any logical road map but no road map has been announced. The Windows 8 Desktop and WinRT bits from BUILD (and after) are pre-Alpha stage.
In the meantime, Android merged tablet & phone OS to version 4.0, and Apple is also busy with hundreds of million mobile phone and tablet customers.
Waiting for Microsoft to finish something is a great suggestion, but version 1.0 is a huge risk too. Maybe waiting until version 3 of the Microsoft phone and tablet? LOL
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Perhaps. Tegra 3 'Kal-El' is the flagship processor for Windows 8 ARM. I think installing Windows on the Prime will be quite easy as its hardware matches what Microsoft has been demonstrating. I think the hardest thing would be getting the Keyboard Dock functioning.
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Nope, everything regarding drivers must be written, kernel, sound, video, wifi, 3G if data version...one tegra 3 machine does not mean another loads. They must be done for each machine. Oh, I forgot touchscreen also. You just can't load it..it must be developed for it.
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Nope, everything regarding drivers must be written, kernel, sound, video, wifi, 3G if data version...one tegra 3 machine does not mean another loads. They must be done for each machine. Oh, I forgot touchscreen also. You just can't load it..it must be developed for it.
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Yes. Windows 8 would most likely be an OEM-only OS. HOWEVER, The Eee Pad Transformer series will most likely have Windows 8 variants making this hell of a lot easier.
Not gonna like, the metro UI and thus WP7 can go die in a fire, and I mean a REALLY DEADLY one! The blocky TILE interface, with no respect for the ability to get lost in menu's/programs... really sad... I stopped helping friends/family with their WP7 devices after the second week they got them... thankfully most are on Android / Blackberry now... my hate is for the Metro UI, not necessarily the underlying CORE for Win8 and WP7 (the only hate that surpasses that which I have for the MetroUI is the iPhone OS/Software, because the iPhone 4/4S hardware is pretty premo)
However, to give you a counter balance for my above rant, I am currently running the Windows 8 Developer Preview on my desktop, as my ABSOLUTE HATE for Metro UI, it is indeed disabled, and no, that's NOT all there is to see in the Win8DP!
Besides MetroPOS, I love the rest of what they have done with Win8, AND to that effect I WILL be looking forward to DUAL booting (if possible), BUT only if some of the main programs I use see an ARM port since there will be no x86 emulation or back porting! Else the only thing that would even mildly interest me in Dual Booting is the bragging rights to say I have a desktop/laptop OS on a tablet...
So, to sum it up!:
Love Win8
Love DualBooting
Love Android
Love Transformer Prime
Love thought of Win8/Programs running on tablet device
HATE METROPOS (er i mean UI...)
i was thinking more on the line of having both android and windows 8 on the transformer with a dual boot option and when u boot up u pick ur poison
Further to my previous comment, I have been thinking about this, and I think if the opportunity to Dual-Boot came along, I would go for it.
Purely for a full Microsoft Office suite on the Tablet. Then I could leave my laptop at home and take my tablet only!
I'm really excited about the Prime, but I'm reluctant to buy with Windows 8 closing. I like Android but I want it to be for more than just entertainment, I want to use it for a bit of work as well. I know Windows lets me do this because it's windows. So do you think I should wait for a W8 transformer or stick with ICS? Are there/will there be any good productivity apps coming? Also does anyone know if it will be released in the first or second half of next year? If its the second I might just get the TP and upgrade if W8 is worth it.
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I'm really excited about the Prime, but I'm reluctant to buy with Windows 8 closing. I like Android but I want it to be for more than just entertainment, I want to use it for a bit of work as well. I know Windows lets me do this because it's windows. So do you think I should wait for a W8 transformer or stick with ICS? Are there/will there be any good productivity apps coming? Also does anyone know if it will be released in the first or second half of next year? If its the second I might just get the TP and upgrade if W8 is worth it.
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win8 tablets won't be out before the middle of next year, and the rumor is win8 arm based tablets won't be out until 2013 even.
personally i'm buying the prime now and then i'll evaluate which win8 tablet i want to get (x86 or arm) and buy that when i find one i like.
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I'm really excited about the Prime, but I'm reluctant to buy with Windows 8 closing. I like Android but I want it to be for more than just entertainment, I want to use it for a bit of work as well. I know Windows lets me do this because it's windows. So do you think I should wait for a W8 transformer or stick with ICS? Are there/will there be any good productivity apps coming? Also does anyone know if it will be released in the first or second half of next year? If its the second I might just get the TP and upgrade if W8 is worth it.
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A word of caution. Windows just ain't going to be Windows anymore. Windows 8 on an ARM tablet is not going to run most Windows applications. It'll only run new Windows 8 Metro applications. So you will be buying into a brand new platform with not very many applications to start with (though devs do have a preview platform and are working on apps already).
If you want the full Windows 8 experience, you'll still need a tablet with an x86 processor. x86 tablets are available now, but pretty chunky and heavy. But MSI's Windows tablets with new AMD processors look good for a Windows tablet. Maybe by next Summer/Fall some of those x86 tablets can slim down a bit more and be more consumer friendly.
Unless you really don't want a tablet right now, I'd not wait for Windows 8. Get what you want now.
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A word of caution. Windows just ain't going to be Windows anymore. Windows 8 on an ARM tablet is not going to run most Windows applications. It'll only run new Windows 8 Metro applications. So you will be buying into a brand new platform with not very many applications to start with (though devs do have a preview platform and are working on apps already).
If you want the full Windows 8 experience, you'll still need a tablet with an x86 processor. x86 tablets are available now, but pretty chunky and heavy. But MSI's Windows tablets with new AMD processors look good for a Windows tablet. Maybe by next Summer/Fall some of those x86 tablets can slim down a bit more and be more consumer friendly.
Unless you really don't want a tablet right now, I'd not wait for Windows 8. Get what you want now.
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Ahhh yeah I forgot about that. Thanks for the help, I'll stick with the prime then and see how it turns out.
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Open WebOS is now live!
http://blog.openwebosproject.org/post/32462950628/open-webos-1-0-edition
My ideal dream for this is to have WebOS running on my touchpad but able to run android software. I love how well WebOS runs but hate that there is no software and I haven't really been happy with my multi-boot android situation.
Im hoping for something like how blackberry can run android apps. But on webos
I feel the same way. I love WebOS, but the application selection is to limited.
its a shame how webos was ruined by HP. i find it has vastly superior multitasking compared to android or ios
not to mention battery life
From what I read this is no good for us TP owners, afaik HP will not release drivers etc. for the Touchpad.
As we all know, Remix OS has stopped updating its system since 2015, and recently, Team Jide released its message on the official website:
A message from Jide:
We started Jide Technology in the mission to unlock 2014 with the potential of Android and accelerate a new age of computing. From day one, our goal was to create products that could help bring the next billion people online, encourage productivity and remove barriers of access to information and technology. We re proud of what 'we' ve achieved with Remix OS and the response it s garnered from around the "world. But more importantly, we couldn t have done it without the 'Kickstarter community.
The Kickstarter community was the first to accept our vision in 2014. Unlocking productivity in Android, the Remix Ultratablet introduced Jide and Remix OS to the world. With the positive reception of the initial concept, we soon gave birth to the world s first true Android "PC Mini. And following the - Remix success of Remix Mini, we brought Remix OS for PC to all PCs around the world. For each and every backer and user who supported us, large or small, it was you who pushed us to break barriers and seek new horizons. We are eternally grateful for your support.
Over the past year, we received an increasing number of inquiries from enterprises in various industries, and began helping them build great tools for their organizations by leveraging Jide software and hardware. We see huge potential in the role that Jide can play to revolutionize how these businesses operate. And given our existing resources, we decided to focus our company efforts solely on the enterprise space moving forward.
We 'll be restructuring our approach to Remix OS and transitioning away from the consumer space. As a result, development on all existing products such as Remix OS for PC as well as products in our pipeline such as Remix IO and IO+ will be discontinued. Full refunds will be issued to ALL BACKERS via Kickstarter for both Remix IO and Remix IO+. In addition any purchases made via our online store that has remained unfulfilled will also be fully refunded. This requires no action from you as we will begin issuing refunds starting August 15th.
Note: It may take ten business days for the refund to appear on a backer's credit or debit card statement. If the initial refund attempt is unsuccessful, we will ensure all refunds are successfully processed. For both Kickstarter backers and online store purchasers, once a refund has been successfully processed, you will receive an email indicating the amount of the refund and the payment source refunded.
We 'd like to take this moment to thank our incredible community who joined us on this journey VE in the last three years to helped us build Remix OS. We very much believe that the future of computing is with Android and we're excited for the role Jide will play in this amazing ecosystem.
Team Jide
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Now, we need a better alternative -
Phoenix OS Based on Android 7.1
If only one were just as compatible with many machines...
I tried Phoenix OS on a Macbook Pro via EFI with no dice.
still have bugs on phoenix os. such as can't update go play service. bad key mapping for some fps games
all i have mentioned works fine on remix
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still have bugs on phoenix os. such as can't update go play service. bad key mapping for some fps games
all i have mentioned works fine on remix
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I deleted remix then installed Phoenix os on my SP3. Look better but crash a lot, not as stable as remix, debating....
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btw, the play service can be fixed
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There's latest build 2.2.0 on the web. Changelog sez that gooplay and vpn already fixed. Im not tried yet, maybe at the end of this week
Remix OS is good but discontinued, Phoenix OS and Android X86 are the alternatives
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is any launcher on android with desktop mode like remixos ?
sebby64 said:
is any launcher on android with desktop mode like remixos ?
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When last I read, Phoenix OS (whose desktop looks quite like Remix OS) can be used in typical desktop mode or tablet mode.
There's another Android-based desktop that looks like Remix OS, but still appears to be in its testing phase: OpenThOS (www.openthos.org).
Guys,
Phoenix OS has opened kernel source today thanks to my petition!
Join the Phoenix community at it's XDA and Discord. Let's get this system going.
Tell your friends!
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Yea, Computer Launcher https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.computer.desktop.ui.launcher
I haven't tested how it works with freeform Windows yet (Nougat and newer only).
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Tested this launcher. Doens't support multi window yet, but I've reached out to it's dev and I hope he adds it.
Why companies (minix etc) will not create their own launcher like remix os ? This would increase the functionality of the devices. I understand that now is the time for touch screens not mouse ...
Maybe Jide will provide source code and people will continue the project and put them on other devices not only for PC or dedicated ...In my opinion there is no replacement for Remix OS for this moment because they are not working well.
@sebby64 the answer is simple - it requires too much initial effort before it brings profit.
Is there a way to install chrome OS as dual boot with Windows? I've seen cloudready but it's not the best choice, since it doesn't come with play store. Is there a way to install the original chrome OS with the store?
BLISS x86 is the best alternative.
BLISS x86 is the best alternative.
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How does it compare to Remix in terms of features and compatibility?
Possible to install it over an existing Remix installation without losing apps and their settings?
dsl25 said:
How does it compare to Remix in terms of features and compatibility?
Possible to install it over an existing Remix installation without losing apps and their settings?
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No, you're going to have to start fresh, or make backups of your appdata in remix and transfer it onto something else for safekeeping then install Bliss. Other than not having the UI that Remix and Phoenix have, it's actually much better. It's built on the x86 source with their own updates and such given that it's 7.1.1-7.2, a more up-to-date kernel, I believe they offer both rooted/unrooted versions, and a few other things. Like I said, the only thing missing is the UI system, and to me, that would make them better than any other choices out there in terms of a PC-compatible Android OS.
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No, you're going to have to start fresh, or make backups of your appdata in remix and transfer it onto something else for safekeeping then install Bliss. Other than not having the UI that Remix and Phoenix have, it's actually much better. It's built on the x86 source with their own updates and such given that it's 7.1.1-7.2, a more up-to-date kernel, I believe they offer both rooted/unrooted versions, and a few other things. Like I said, the only thing missing is the UI system, and to me, that would make them better than any other choices out there in terms of a PC-compatible Android OS.
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Thanks for this, very useful report.
It includes both updates from within the OS + Google Play, right?
Just wanna ask.. i already install phoenix os on my desktop pc.. but i got no wifi board on my pc.. so i buy an wifi adapter.. when i boot to phoenix os.. i cant get my wifi working.. can anyone help me??
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Just wanna ask.. i already install phoenix os on my desktop pc.. but i got no wifi board on my pc.. so i buy an wifi adapter.. when i boot to phoenix os.. i cant get my wifi working.. can anyone help me??
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Is it working in Remix os ?if yes then it can work in pos too
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sagalfisz said:
Is there a way to install chrome OS as dual boot with Windows? I've seen cloudready but it's not the best choice, since it doesn't come with play store. Is there a way to install the original chrome OS with the store?
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Nope,you can wait for flint os
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Is it working in Remix os ?if yes then it can work in pos too
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Both for remix and phoenix doesnt work with my wifi adapter.. Can anyone help me?? I wanna use this on my pc.. My other side of brain say i should buy laptop for this.. Man.. I dont know what to do..
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Both for remix and phoenix doesnt work with my wifi adapter.. Can anyone help me?? I wanna use this on my pc.. My other side of brain say i should buy laptop for this.. Man.. I dont know what to do..
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Then you have to purchase either a well known brand WiFi adapter or as you say andtoid-x86 based os are best fit for laptops.
Is it Linux or Mac os
Lavithiran -=-=-= said:
Is it Linux or Mac os
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I prefer Ubuntu Linux
ok a good choise
Lavithiran -=-=-= said:
ok a good choise
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There is no exact replacement for or better than Microsoft Windows. Whether any alternative will work for you depends on how the other OS characteristics compare to your needs.
The most commonly considered alternatives include Apple’s OS X on Macs, Linux, Fedora, Red Hat and the Google Chrome operating systems. They do each have significant pitfalls, depending on what you are expecting.
There is no one size fits all approach when it comes to comparison(s).
i use arch btw (joke)
raspbian
There aren't better OS. Most important is what software run on your selected OS. Or is there alternative to your required software? And at least is it easy to setup, configure or to do non basic thing. I know many linux users who representing slef like "linux expert", when I ask to configure some non standard things usual this ends I don't have a time, read forum etc.
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There aren't better OS. Most important is what software run on your selected OS. Or is there alternative to your required software? And at least is it easy to setup, configure or to do non basic thing. I know many linux users who representing slef like "linux expert", when I ask to configure some non standard things usual this ends I don't have a time, read forum etc.
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yeah, there's USUALLY an os that has advantages over the other one for everyone's use cases.
macos vs linux is sorta where id say linux is basically equal to it, if not beating it in some departments (unless you're balls deep into the apple ecosystem or you like the look of mac hardware).
same goes for android vs ios, although people get pretty heated about that one, ios (hot take) has.. no real advantages? sure, its got the ecosystem, but thats pretty much it. your locked into one version, no custom roms. their "security and privacy" arguments dont make much sense when you realize the entire internet runs on open source, and the very foundation we are running on would crumble if it werent for open source technologies. yes sure, stock roms like touchwiz, miui, even one ui are probably not as secure as could be (although oneui is actually pretty decent, and comparable to ios in security), but if your willing to tinker a little bit, an android is going to excel in privacy and security (pixel + grapheneos).
windows vs other oses is where i cant really compare, because even tho windows is pretty much a sh*t show at this point, it still has all the software one could ever need, being compatible with much older software too (although thats sorta hit or miss, especially since older hardware is being phased out with windows 11).
linux outclasses windows in terms of features and such, but for the near future at least, it still wont beat windows in terms of software support, it just doesnt have that kind of foothold, and developers arent as familiar with it too.
i hate microsoft's monopoly as much as the next guy, but they're here to stay, so you might aswell keep buying microsoft windows for the forseeable future, since their monopoly is going no where.
in summary: some oses (mac vs linux, ios vs android) have pretty clear winners, but some others (like windows vs linux) arent as clear and DO actually come down to personal preference, not just "ive sunk [obsurd amount of money] into [fruit-company-that-shall-not-be-named] so im not switching to brokeOS"
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ios (hot take) has.. no real advantages? sure, its got the ecosystem, but thats pretty much it. your locked into one version, no custom roms. their "security and privacy" arguments dont make much sense when you realize the entire internet runs on open source
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The best OS is the one that suits most or all of your needs.
If you want an OS that just works out of the box and is compatible with almost everything, Windows
If you want an OS that is more locked down, but secure and works with most things, iOS
If you are more tech-savvy and want an OS that you can have complete control over, including how it looks and is very secure, lightweight and fast, Linux, and even then, there are many different Linux variants.
but for making roms which is good
RDS5 said:
i use arch btw (joke)
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You must be an exeptional professional, i use anARCHy, btw
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The best OS is the one that suits most or all of your needs.
If you want an OS that just works out of the box and is compatible with almost everything, Windows
If you want an OS that is more locked down, but secure and works with most things, iOS
If you are more tech-savvy and want an OS that you can have complete control over, including how it looks and is very secure, lightweight and fast, Linux, and even then, there are many different Linux variants.
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Hi!
You are right when you say Windows "is compatible with almost everything", have huge virus library to choose from, no privacy, you have no control over it... can't even disable or turn off updates, not to mention his own "antivirus". If read the EUA you weaver the right to take Microsoft to a Court of Law.
On the other hand you have Linux you have the right to choose what OS you want to install and works out of the box and yet you don't have to be a "tech-savvy" to install or use linux and you can eve run windows software (not all) on linux.
I've been using Linux Ubuntu as a daily driver since 2019 and switch to Mint in 2020 and still have Windows 10 and 11 Installed.
I don't have many of my windows software, but found a lot of replacements, play games native to linux, others with Wine and i am happy with my choice.
With everything that is new there is a learning curve with Linux or Windows and i am not like some people that force any OS down the throat or say "that problem with Linux is that exist to many versions", i say i am free to choose as i am free to choose my girlfriend, my wife, my car, phone, computer.
Microsoft chooses for you is Windows 11 or 11 because in 2025 there are no more updates.
Since 2007 i downloaded many Linux ISO and stick with Ubuntu (Debian) and then Mint (Debian), both big community. I even downloaded Arch didn't how manually install, it's for power users, installed centOS not didn't like it.
There are no wrong or right choices when it comes to Linux, its a question find the right one and sticking to it.
Thank you.
spezialzt said:
You must be an exeptional professional, i use anARCHy, btw
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Me as well, but I use Arcolinux
Rah-Rah80 said:
Hi!
You are right when you say Windows "is compatible with almost everything", have huge virus library to choose from, no privacy, you have no control over it... can't even disable or turn off updates, not to mention his own "antivirus". If read the EUA you weaver the right to take Microsoft to a Court of Law.
On the other hand you have Linux you have the right to choose what OS you want to install and works out of the box and yet you don't have to be a "tech-savvy" to install or use linux and you can eve run windows software (not all) on linux.
I've been using Linux Ubuntu as a daily driver since 2019 and switch to Mint in 2020 and still have Windows 10 and 11 Installed.
I don't have many of my windows software, but found a lot of replacements, play games native to linux, others with Wine and i am happy with my choice.
With everything that is new there is a learning curve with Linux or Windows and i am not like some people that force any OS down the throat or say "that problem with Linux is that exist to many versions", i say i am free to choose as i am free to choose my girlfriend, my wife, my car, phone, computer.
Microsoft chooses for you is Windows 11 or 11 because in 2025 there are no more updates.
Since 2007 i downloaded many Linux ISO and stick with Ubuntu (Debian) and then Mint (Debian), both big community. I even downloaded Arch didn't how manually install, it's for power users, installed centOS not didn't like it.
There are no wrong or right choices when it comes to Linux, its a question find the right one and sticking to it.
Thank you.
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You are preaching to the choir my friend. I have not used Windows in a long time. Everyone doing boats with different distro‘s on and off for about 10 years but never made the commitment to go full-time Linux until last year.
Sometimes I have to reboot into windows for updates that are companies specific and are not available on my Linux distro, But those rate times I’m in and out and I feel dirty while I’m there. I ran Manjaro for over a year now I am, as I posted above fully running Arco.
Totally different than Manjaro which to me was starting to become the Arch version of Ubuntu.
Even games, ones I played at Windows, most of them I can run on Arch.
TBH, I know that people that use Arch are to Linux users like Linux users are to Windows users. Or iOS users to android users. Clicky fanboys lol but really, it’s just better. And if you don’t want to change desktop environments, it runs good gnome very well.
BTW, all the various flavors of arch come with Calamaras installers now. Even pure arch which I just put on a test laptop has a graphical installer.
HipKat said:
You are preaching to the choir my friend. I have not used Windows in a long time. Everyone doing boats with different distro‘s on and off for about 10 years but never made the commitment to go full-time Linux until last year.
Sometimes I have to reboot into windows for updates that are companies specific and are not available on my Linux distro, But those rate times I’m in and out and I feel dirty while I’m there. I ran Manjaro for over a year now I am, as I posted above fully running Arco.
Totally different than Manjaro which to me was starting to become the Arch version of Ubuntu.
Even games, ones I played at Windows, most of them I can run on Arch.
TBH, I know that people that use Arch are to Linux users like Linux users are to Windows users. Or iOS users to android users. Clicky fanboys lol but really, it’s just better. And if you don’t want to change desktop environments, it runs good gnome very well.
BTW, all the various flavors of arch come with Calamaras installers now. Even pure arch which I just put on a test laptop has a graphical installer.
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Hello
I'm no preacher, my days defending Linux over Windows or vice-versa are long gone... over the years i learned that most people are dumb and don't care about anything as long it works.
Theses days i only talk about my experience about both OS, not iOS because i don't have a Mac nor have the intent to buy one. To closed for me.
With friends i talk about Linux and what he can do, if they to try i will help, if want to learn i will teach what i know and if i don't i still search for an answer online.
So far i only played old games on Mint (DOS/Windows) currently playing Diablo 3.
I can handle Mint so far, i heard good things about Manjaro, at the time the videos i saw on youtube, the theme didn't appealed to me, i may try it some day.
On my laptop i had Lubuntu for some years, now i have Peppermint 11, not bad.
Rah-Rah80 said:
Hello
I'm no preacher, my days defending Linux over Windows or vice-versa are long gone... over the years i learned that most people are dumb and don't care about anything as long it works.
Theses days i only talk about my experience about both OS, not iOS because i don't have a Mac nor have the intent to buy one. To closed for me.
With friends i talk about Linux and what he can do, if they to try i will help, if want to learn i will teach what i know and if i don't i still search for an answer online.
So far i only played old games on Mint (DOS/Windows) currently playing Diablo 3.
I can handle Mint so far, i heard good things about Manjaro, at the time the videos i saw on youtube, the theme didn't appealed to me, i may try it some day.
On my laptop i had Lubuntu for some years, now i have Peppermint 11, not bad.
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Manjaro has many hundreds of free themes that are easy to install
HipKat said:
Manjaro has many hundreds of free themes that are easy to install
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Hello!
Maybe i'll have a go with Manjaro on my test computer.
Rah-Rah80 said:
Hello!
Maybe i'll have a go with Manjaro on my test computer.
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If you do, I had the best experience with KDE
Lavithiran -=-=-= said:
but for making roms which is good
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Ubuntu is good for building roms but any Linux distro should do the job.