looking at either this or the iPhone SE. the iPhone has already been confirmed to have VOLTE on T-Mobile unlocked, but I heard the Z5C is still unsupported. any updates on these two features? would prefer to get the Z5C, as I'm upgrading from the Z3C, but not if the Z5C is still lacking these two features.
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looking at either this or the iPhone SE. the iPhone has already been confirmed to have VOLTE on T-Mobile unlocked, but I heard the Z5C is still unsupported. any updates on these two features? would prefer to get the Z5C, as I'm upgrading from the Z3C, but not if the Z5C is still lacking these two features.
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IMO there's no point in buying the US version of the Z5C without the fingerprint reader. Get a European version. I bought mine from Clove UK.
I am interested in the iPhone SE too but I'm not sure I can live with iOS long term. Where did you see VoLTE would work on the unlocked version?
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IMO there's no point in buying the US version of the Z5C without the fingerprint reader. Get a European version. I bought mine from Clove UK.
I am interested in the iPhone SE too but I'm not sure I can live with iOS long term. Where did you see VoLTE would work on the unlocked version?
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oh I heard the US version has the fingerprint scanner enabled via a different firmware?
also, I confirmed that the unlocked iPhone SE will work via both T-mobile and Apple store employees. PC Mag also used an unlocked version for their review and mentions VOLTE working: http://www.pcmag.com/review/343254/apple-iphone-se-sim-free
T-Mobile also added the SE to the list: http://www.t-mobile.com/optional-services/coverage-phones-700.html
is there at least a rom that will enable both features? looking at the dev section, it seems dead. definitely not as supported as the Z3C was.
man what happened to this place? Z3C forum used to be active when it came to the US. I guess the Z5C community isn't as big huh.
I think you're only going to get VoLTE when a phone is also sold by the carrier. Similar to WiFi calling, the carrier builds the feature into the firmware.
The iPhone, even the unlocked version is designed to be fully supported on T-Mobile. Sony phones are not. I doubt even a custom ROM can help you either.
Sent from the only flagship device that can fit in my hand... Sony Experia Z3 Compact
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I think you're only going to get VoLTE when a phone is also sold by the carrier. Similar to WiFi calling, the carrier builds the feature into the firmware.
The iPhone, even the unlocked version is designed to be fully supported on T-Mobile. Sony phones are not. I doubt even a custom ROM can help you either.
Sent from the only flagship device that can fit in my hand... Sony Experia Z3 Compact
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thanks. yea sadly it looks like i'll have to leave android for now as i just got the iphone se. it's the only option left as far as fully featured unlocked small phones. really sucks that sony discontinued the compact line and that their phones aren't fully supported here. the Z3C was an awesome phone.
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thanks. yea sadly it looks like i'll have to leave android for now as i just got the iphone se. it's the only option left as far as fully featured unlocked small phones. really sucks that sony discontinued the compact line and that their phones aren't fully supported here. the Z3C was an awesome phone.
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Just got an SE myself. As soon as someone makes a flagship small phone I will be back on Android. Not sure how long this iPhone will last but I love the size and am willing to give it a try.
i bought the us version i installed the customized it ftf with flashtools and now i have the fingesprint working
So the US version has the hardware capacity, but also has disabled fingerprint? Why? @[email protected]
jfox22 said:
i bought the us version i installed the customized it ftf with flashtools and now i have the fingesprint working
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Hey, is there some kind of guide that I can follow to enable the fingerprint? Sorry, I'm new here
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So the US version has the hardware capacity, but also has disabled fingerprint? Why? @[email protected]
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i really don't know but i think there are some reason like marketing
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Hey, is there some kind of guide that I can follow to enable the fingerprint? Sorry, I'm new here
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just download flashtool install driver for your z5c "flashmode driver" "fastboot driver" and for your xperia from the folder driver in flashtool folder.
open flashtool click on xperia firm XF download the ftf for another country EU and install finish
Anyone get volte working?
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I think you're only going to get VoLTE when a phone is also sold by the carrier. Similar to WiFi calling, the carrier builds the feature into the firmware.
The iPhone, even the unlocked version is designed to be fully supported on T-Mobile. Sony phones are not. I doubt even a custom ROM can help you either.
Sent from the only flagship device that can fit in my hand... Sony Experia Z3 Compact
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Actually wifi calling is a feature introduced in Marshmallow. I was able to use it day one on my N5x, but Sony removed the function for the z3c.
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Hey, is there some kind of guide that I can follow to enable the fingerprint? Sorry, I'm new here
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/z5-compact/general/ftf-android-7-1-1-xperia-z5c-e5823-32-4-t3628734
so I saw something about India firmware and VOLTE but it doesn't look like it works with T-Mobile US ..."oh just come by a new phone" - TMobile .... anti competitive BS.... I DON'T WANT A GIANT PHONE!
Related
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=sony_z_ultra
So now there's a Z Ultra Google Play Edition with pure android 4.4.
How do we get that rom?
Brilliant! now to just wait for someone to buy it.
It´s a huge step forward for Sony and the community. Looking forward to see some nice ROMs!
I can't decide which to order. Will any of the Sony stuff be on the Google Play edition? "bravia engine" and the sort
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I can't decide which to order. Will any of the Sony stuff be on the Google Play edition? "bravia engine" and the sort
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X-Reality for Mobile should be available as long as you don't unlock the phone. And as far as I know it'll only be active for hardware accelerated video, not for photos.
Wow, did not see that coming!! This ROCKS. :good: Can't wait to get this rom on my phone.
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X-Reality for Mobile should be available as long as you don't unlock the phone. And as far as I know it'll only be active for hardware accelerated video, not for photos.
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Do you think the Playstation Mobile app will still come on the device? If it doesn't, do you think Sony would give some way to install like for that one HTC device? Hmm. Likewise for the Walkman app.
Shít only avalaible in the USA
Google should give us europeans some love too
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Other play editions are vanilla android, I think its a fair assumption this will be too - I doubt Sony will roll out both 4.3 and 4.4, with sony apps/engines at the same time. Pure Vanilla 4.4 or Sony 4.3 most likely the plan (in my humble opinion)
Stil great news for XZU 4.4 drivers, libs etc
Sent from my C6802 using Tapatalk
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Do you think the Playstation Mobile app will still come on the device? If it doesn't, do you think Sony would give some way to install like for that one HTC device? Hmm. Likewise for the Walkman app.
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Great question, I actually have both versions on the way. Gonna play with both of em and decide which one I want. If I can't use the the dual shock 3 natively I might go with the Sony version.
Sony: Pure class. Kitkat AOSP so fast
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Guys brace yourselves for the influx of custom roms
you could very easily convert the HTC One from the Sense version to a GPE one, once the ROM is out, anyone will be able to move theirs to the GPE version!
This is the best news! Yet one more positive point about my decision to get the ultra over the note 3!
This is great news! My Ultra LTE C6806 from the Sony Store is on the Fedex truck for delivery today. I really wanted as-close-to-ASOP phablet as I could get, and the Ultra fit the bill. Hopefully I will be able to turn this into a Google Edition device!
Better start researching how to root this baby!
I'm so excited but this is soooo weird... I thought this massive massive phone was a niche device. Why didnt they do the Z1? I guess I understand why though, they already have the N5, the S4 And the ONE, so instead of adding another 5 inch google play phone, or a slightly larger note 3, they figure why not go with the biggest.
I'm not complaining it just seems so random.
So how does this help us? and It won't really be helping for a few weeks/ months no?
I like I want the gpe rom.
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I'm so excited but this is soooo weird... I thought this massive massive phone was a niche device. Why didnt they do the Z1? I guess I understand why though, they already have the N5, the S4 And the ONE, so instead of adding another 5 inch google play phone, or a slightly larger note 3, they figure why not go with the biggest.
I'm not complaining it just seems so random.
So how does this help us? and It won't really be helping for a few weeks/ months no?
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It will help us as soon as Google releases the factory images. When? It could happen an hour from now or a week. We don't know.
Wow this is fantastic news, i really wanted stock android in a phablet....since i already own xperia z ultra C6802, does anybody knw how complicated it would be to flash stock android form the Google edition phone?
trellva25 said:
Wow this is fantastic news, i really wanted stock android in a phablet....since i already own xperia z ultra C6802, does anybody knw how complicated it would be to flash stock android form the Google edition phone?
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It's as easy as walking (god, i hope you're not in a wheelchair). We just need Google to release the factory images, which can take everything between now and a week or so. We don't know.
So, if I get the Xperia model, NOT the Goole Stock Android version, can I still flash the Stock firmware? Or does it have some limitations in terms of hardware?
PS: In my current situation, I am considering to get one. I was thinking about the LG G Flex, but the 720 screen is a no-no. I would much rather have a Xperia than LG. I had the Nexus 4 once upon a time, and never developed a taste for LG's (rather cheap) hardware.
Thanks.
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So, if I get the Xperia model, NOT the Goole Stock Android version, can I still flash the Stock firmware? Or does it have some limitations in terms of hardware?
PS: In my current situation, I am considering to get one. I was thinking about the LG G Flex, but the 720 screen is a no-no. I would much rather have a Xperia than LG. I had the Nexus 4 once upon a time, and never developed a taste for LG's (rather cheap) hardware.
Thanks.
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If you got a non GPE Z Ultra you could flash ported GPE version but not the stock firmware. There's already ported version for version 4.4.4 kitkat and version 5 lollipop for the non gpe z ultra. Vice versa, the gpe version can't flash the non-gpe firmwares as it will permanently destroy your device due to different partitioning in both gpe and non gpe version of z ultra.
I did not like LG at first but i fell in love with the LG G3 korean version but with the price i would rather get z3
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If you got a non GPE Z Ultra you could flash ported GPE version but not the stock firmware. There's already ported version for version 4.4.4 kitkat and version 5 lollipop for the non gpe z ultra. Vice versa, the gpe version can't flash the non-gpe firmwares as it will permanently destroy your device due to different partitioning in both gpe and non gpe version of z ultra.
I did not like LG at first but i fell in love with the LG G3 korean version but with the price i would rather get z3
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Thanks for your reply. As I started off by saying, "in my current situation", I need a big device, with Movies+games+ Reading+ browsing capabilities that need to be top notch. Along with the hardware (inside as well as on the outside). And Z Ultra fits into all those categories well.
But, my concern was the OS. And since we had the same device out with a "gpe" which I assume is Google Play Edition, I thought flashing a GPE on an Xperia model would have been achieved.
But now that you are saying it will damage my device, I wonder what should I do?
Comments?
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Thanks for your reply. As I started off by saying, "in my current situation", I need a big device, with Movies+games+ Reading+ browsing capabilities that need to be top notch. Along with the hardware (inside as well as on the outside). And Z Ultra fits into all those categories well.
But, my concern was the OS. And since we had the same device out with a "gpe" which I assume is Google Play Edition, I thought flashing a GPE on an Xperia model would have been achieved.
But now that you are saying it will damage my device, I wonder what should I do?
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Z ultra is too thin. I think oldies Nexus 7 is good, the price should be a lot of cheaper today. I wish myself not to get brand new device anymore. The Price of smartphone went down so much within 9 months since released. Better get 1 year old device with half Price....
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Z ultra is too thin. I think oldies Nexus 7 is good, the price should be a lot of cheaper today. I wish myself not to get brand new device anymore. The Price of smartphone went down so much within 9 months since released. Better get 1 year old device with half Price....
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Thanks. I have the old Nexus 7. Makes me want to tear my hear out every time I see it. It's one device I would never recommend to any Android first-timer. They would just never return.
Anyways, the fact that Z Ultra is thin is a plus for me.
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Thanks for your reply. As I started off by saying, "in my current situation", I need a big device, with Movies+games+ Reading+ browsing capabilities that need to be top notch. Along with the hardware (inside as well as on the outside). And Z Ultra fits into all those categories well.
But, my concern was the OS. And since we had the same device out with a "gpe" which I assume is Google Play Edition, I thought flashing a GPE on an Xperia model would have been achieved.
But now that you are saying it will damage my device, I wonder what should I do?
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You can't cross flash the firmwares between the Sony ZU and the GPe devices due to differing sizes of partitions. However there are fully functioning ports of the GPe ROMs, it does not convert the phone nor will it receive OTA updates.
adfurgerson said:
You can't cross flash the firmwares between the Sony ZU and the GPe devices due to differing sizes of partitions. However there are fully functioning ports of the GPe ROMs, it does not convert the phone nor will it receive OTA updates.
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Oh cool. SO I assume the ports are just as close to the GPe ROMs as possible?
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Oh cool. SO I assume the ports are just as close to the GPe ROMs as possible?
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I haven't used either one of these but they are both stable for daily use according to everything I have read.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z-ultra/development/scrubber-t2961315
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2800414
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Oh cool. SO I assume the ports are just as close to the GPe ROMs as possible?
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As i've mentioned the ported version is exactly the same rom/firmware as GPE by google modified to fit the non gpe without breaking it. What i mean is you can't flash the official firmware provided directly from google without modification to the firmware hence the ported version.
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As i've mentioned the ported version is exactly the same rom/firmware as GPE by google modified to fit the non gpe without breaking it. What i mean is you can't flash the official firmware provided directly from google without modification to the firmware hence the ported version.
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Awesome man... You made my day.. Thanks a lot to everyone who replied...
BTW .. anything I need to be cautious about as a new user?
X0LARIUM said:
Awesome man... You made my day.. Thanks a lot to everyone who replied...
BTW .. anything I need to be cautious about as a new user?
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The main thing I stress is the need to back up TA partition (which holds the DRM keys) after rooting, but BEFORE you unlock your bootloader.
Edit.... Should mention the 4.4.4 GPe port can be used with locked bootloader, not so for 5.0 port.
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The main thing I stress is the need to back up TA partition (which holds the DRM keys) after rooting, but BEFORE you unlock your bootloader.
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Thanks man but I meant in terms of the device ...any drawbacks..shortcomings ...?
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Thanks man but I meant in terms of the device ...any drawbacks..shortcomings ...?
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Camera.is poor and lacks flash. I have never carried it in a pants pocket out of fear of cracking screen or back glass. I
broke the charge port flap but it was my fault for forgetting to close it before slipping it into holster/case for carrying it on my belt. If you get a third party magnetic charging cord be sure to attach it in the right direction.
X0LARIUM said:
Awesome man... You made my day.. Thanks a lot to everyone who replied...
BTW .. anything I need to be cautious about as a new user?
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Nothing you need to be cautious about. If you want the gpe experience, the ported gpe ROMs work great, we have several android lollipop based ROMs as well. It is a very good device, and if you have any trouble for some reason, I'm sure someone will be eager to help you out here. Its a very friendly community. The only down side is the flash for the camera, there is none.
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Thanks. I have the old Nexus 7. Makes me want to tear my hear out every time I see it. It's one device I would never recommend to any Android first-timer. They would just never return.
Anyways, the fact that Z Ultra is thin is a plus for me.
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If the thin were your wish. ZU is right choice. ZU is strong device with good waterproof feature. 5.0 gpe port rom work nicely on ZU. I put 4.4.4 on my ZU due to most banking apps Not work on L. For me "her" thiness is bit problem on holding it, made our palm tired to hold. 2nd all z series xperia will be better with dock ( magnetic charger ) otherwise we need to open charging port everytime to charge it will easily tearing the cover and loss the waterproofing. I used D48 dock magnetic charger for my ZU and Z3c.
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If the thin were your wish. ZU is right choice. ZU is strong device with good waterproof feature. 5.0 gpe port rom work nicely on ZU. I put 4.4.4 on my ZU due to most banking apps Not work on L. For me "her" thiness is bit problem on holding it, made our palm tired to hold. 2nd all z series xperia will be better with dock ( magnetic charger ) otherwise we need to open charging port everytime to charge it will easily tearing the cover and loss the waterproofing. I used D48 dock magnetic charger for my ZU and Z3c.
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http://uae.souq.com/ae-en/sony-dk31...ging-dock-charger-stand-pod-cradle-6594643/i/
Would this one work?
Also, which other docking charging ports work in that case?
Thanks for the headsup BTW/...
X0LARIUM said:
http://uae.souq.com/ae-en/sony-dk31...ging-dock-charger-stand-pod-cradle-6594643/i/
Would this one work?
Also, which other docking charging ports work in that case?
Thanks for the headsup BTW/...
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I find it is hard to find a dock for Z Ultra. Z Ultra unable to fit in the Z1 dock, i've tried but maybe others have better luck. One more thing to be aware is if you ever gonna use magnetic charger please get a genuine sony magnetic charger. Reason being if you use it the opposite way, it will damage your device. With original sony magnetic charger it won't allow you to plug in if its the wrong way.
Hopefully there is no country variant i don't have to worry about. Some of the phones have a country variant (G Flex for example), where one version works better than another. Hopefully there is only one Z Ultra. I am in the UAE.
Had a Z Ultra, now a Z2 and it bugs me to get back to the Ultra.
Sony does have brazil country specific models and non-LTE variants for each of their device (or most of them)
What I know about the ZU variants is this:
LTE Model is C6833
Non-LTE is C6802
Hopefully I did not mess up the numbers here.
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Had a Z Ultra, now a Z2 and it bugs me to get back to the Ultra.
Sony does have brazil country specific models and non-LTE variants for each of their device (or most of them)
What I know about the ZU variants is this:
LTE Model is C6833
Non-LTE is C6802
Hopefully I did not mess up the numbers here.
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And how do they vary apart from the LTE bit? Hopefully everything else is the same....
The Z4 Tablet is possibly my dream tablet, it has a great screen, microSD slot, good battery life and it seems dev-friendly.
I've got no Sony experience and I see surprisingly little custom ROM development. How 'dev-friendly' is this tablet? Does Sony provide source codes, drivers? Are they easy in unlocking bootloaders and flashing stuff like radios? Does it seem likely custom post-Marshmallow ROMs will be cooked in 1,5-2 years from now on?
do some research!
e.g. here "Anybody work on root?" much off topic posts unfortunately
there are two section with the title "Development" here ...
look at the phones: Z3+ and Z5 (nearly the same sources)
and all you need with almost useful documentation in SONY's Developer world:
http://developer.sonymobile.com/
DHGE said:
e.g. here "Anybody work on root?" much off topic posts unfortunately
there are two section with the title "Development" here ...
look at the phones: Z3+ and Z5 (nearly the same sources)
and all you need with almost useful documentation in SONY's Developer world:
http://developer.sonymobile.com/
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I admit my question was a bit lazy, but it'd be pretty easy for people like you with lots of experience/knowledge on this Sony platform to give me a general idea.
I ordered a Z4T, but while reading this subforom while waiting for the shipment, things start to itch me a bit.
I'll anwer my own questions the way I see it now: Sony is pretty developer-friendly by providing source code and build instructions, but it's pretty buggy and there are very few developers doing stuff for the Z4T. I guess it's because of the bad availability of the device and the relatively small user base. The people @ FXP build ROMs, but I haven't heard much about how useful these builds are. If anything, I heard people downgrading from the 5.1.1 build. Rooting is only possible by unlocking the bootloader and flashing @AndroPlus' custom kernel. His current TWRP build has a bug that makes it impossible to restore a device backup.
Sony provides the option for unlocking the bootloader, but you'll completely lose your warranty. Furthermore, the TA partition will be irreverably changed and you'll lose functionality.
Marhsmallow has been announced, so there's that.
SONY's devices are good compromise for me
@jelbo
Good summary!
My opinion:
The SONY devices are good hardware. I like them because they are water resistant since I lost a phone after cycling in heavy rain.
I have a Tablet xperia Z with CyanogenMod on it. Android 5.1
The start with that 3rd party ROM was slow and it was quite buggy. Also battery life was worse than with stock ROM.
I have a SAMSUNG Galxy S5 phone. They have Knox-protection on their devices. Quite evil compared to SONY. Because it was released with Kitkat I could root it via exploit and keep Knox untriggered. I could get CyanogenMod, even Marshmallow Alphas for the phone. But the drivers are not that good and the battery life with stock is very good (up to four days for me).
So I will keep that phone on stock and I used Titanium Backup to get rid of SAMSUNG's bloatware.
SAMSUNG do not provide documentation and many of their SOCs are proprietary - no chance to do any development for these devices.
Long post short: SONY is very open and relatively easy to hack on their devices.
Better (now) in price and features than the Nexus devices IMO. I would never buy a device without any chance to do development on it.
I think the bug in TWRP will get fixed soon (has bitten me once).
Thanks for your kind reply
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@jelbo
Good summary!
My opinion:
The SONY devices are good hardware. I like them because they are water resistant since I lost a phone after cycling in heavy rain.
I have a Tablet xperia Z with CyanogenMod on it. Android 5.1
The start with that 3rd party ROM was slow and it was quite buggy. Also battery life was worse than with stock ROM.
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Sounds familiar. In my experience with the last few phones I've had, AOSP-based ROMs were always a tad slower and less battery-friendly than stock or stock based ROMs. For example, the stock 'Google Play Edition' ROMs ran like a dream on my HTC One m7, but others were always less smooth / battery friendly.
So, for the Z4T I'm not partularly worried about the lack of 3rd party ROMs. I'll be fine with stock rooted. But for the longer term, because of the unpopularity, I think it's unlikely to see much going on in a year from now on and that kind of makes me doubt my purchase.
I have a SAMSUNG Galxy S5 phone. They have Knox-protection on their devices. Quite evil compared to SONY.
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Yes, but not more evil than Sony I think. Samsung's bootloader unlock 'trips' Knox and it'll disable features like secure storage and services that depend on it. It's also irreversible. It's an awful lot like Sony's irreversible TA partition 'tripping'.
Because it was released with Kitkat I could root it via exploit and keep Knox untriggered. I could get CyanogenMod, even Marshmallow Alphas for the phone. But the drivers are not that good and the battery life with stock is very good (up to four days for me).
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I could root my Galaxy S6 using an exploit, without tripping Knox. I'm running 5.1.1 with an engineering bootloader, while still having my Knox untriggered. It's a luxury I'm not gonna have on the Z4T, unless an exploit will be found.
SAMSUNG do not provide documentation and many of their SOCs are proprietary - no chance to do any development for these devices.
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Yes, it's one of the reasons I want to avoid a Samsung as my new tablet. Exynos is a black box, so custom, stock-based ROMs will be the best you can get. BUT, I'm doubting now. Custom, stock-based ROMs are fine with me - as you mention, battery life is great. And on top of that, Samsung is so popular that lots of development is being done. I think chances are bigger to see the Marshmallow successor being ported for older Samsung devices than we'll see on this Sony Z4 Tablet in the future. But that's an assumption, I don't have Sony experience, but I see things re pretty dead here, even though the device was released quite a long time ago.
Long post short: SONY is very open and relatively easy to hack on their devices.
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I'm not really seeing that yet, but again, I've only looked at the Z4T now.
Better (now) in price and features than the Nexus devices IMO. I would never buy a device without any chance to do development on it.
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The microSD is an essential part for me. If the Pixel C would have had a microSD-slot I'd have chosen that. Development and future updates are a huge selling point for Nexus devices.
I think the bug in TWRP will get fixed soon (has bitten me once).
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Let's hope so.
Hopefully the Z4T will get some more love soon, as I have just sent my Pixel C back and taken a punt at a open box Amazon warehouse deal last night with 40% off the LTE
I love my Z3CT, Z3C and Ultra, which have had great support from the devs, so am expecting the Z4 to be the best hardware of the lot, but would also love a root method while keeping the bootloader locked for now.
Heres to hoping perhaps MM will lead to some kernel exploits.
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[...] as I have just sent my Pixel C back [...]
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What made you return your Pixel C?
I love my Z3CT, Z3C and Ultra, which have had great support from the devs [...]
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Did it take a while to get to that point? Do you think the Z4T will have the same support?
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What made you return your Pixel C?
Did it take a while to get to that point? Do you think the Z4T will have the same support?
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Dont get me started on the Pixel C from Google UK pricing error on day 1 and their refusal for a week to refund or swapout 32g for 64g devices, due to their error; then I had a hardware fault with the screen not responding after 24hrs of use. I found their support just awful More issues were being reported in the xda forum and I decided I wasn't going to spend £550 to beta test for google. Nice solid device but heavier that the Z4 and sliding the keybard across the keyboard to remove it, just made me nervous of scratching something everytime I did it.
To be honest the Z4 forums are very quiet, but so were the pixel c's; as a few people were commenting.
I had to root my Z3 Tab by loading the Z3 phone firmware and rooting that, as that had a kernel vunerability and the kernel on the Z3 tab didn't.
Once the Z3 phone firmware was loaded and rooted, I could backup my TA partition and reload the Z3 tab firmware, rooted.
Its generally the phones that get root and the tabs have to utilise what they can, unless of course a dev has the tab.
The tab forums got much busier once the device had a less risky root method.
Sad to see that Nut hasn't got a recovery done, but I am assuming that due to root only being available by unlocking and losing TA, so limited testers, but haven't had time to read the history yet.
I have to say though that the Z4 is fantastic in comparison to the Pixel C and I am very glad I have reverted to the device that I know especially at £360 for the LTE version + keyboard on Amazon open box. First time using and the device is pristine. To be fair the Z4 is many iterations of getting it right and the Pixel is googles first try. Once its at Pixel C v4 it will probably be very good!
Heres to hoping MM is officially released soon, so the chances of rooting may get better.
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This is the reason why I didn't release XZDR for the Z3+/Z4/TabZ4 yet, too much difference with the Shinano and older device trees.
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That should be solved with 2.9 though...
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Seems the 64 bits is a material change, so things need to progress in 2.9 from my early readings.
scoobydu said:
Dont get me started on the Pixel C from Google UK pricing error on day 1 and their refusal for a week to refund or swapout 32g for 64g devices, due to their error; then I had a hardware fault with the screen not responding after 24hrs of use. I found their support just awful More issues were being reported in the xda forum and I decided I wasn't going to spend £550 to beta test for google. Nice solid device but heavier that the Z4 and sliding the keybard across the keyboard to remove it, just made me nervous of scratching something everytime I did it.
To be honest the Z4 forums are very quiet, but so were the pixel c's; as a few people were commenting.
I had to root my Z3 Tab by loading the Z3 phone firmware and rooting that, as that had a kernel vunerability and the kernel on the Z3 tab didn't.
Once the Z3 phone firmware was loaded and rooted, I could backup my TA partition and reload the Z3 tab firmware, rooted.
Its generally the phones that get root and the tabs have to utilise what they can, unless of course a dev has the tab.
The tab forums got much busier once the device had a less risky root method.
Sad to see that Nut hasn't got a recovery done, but I am assuming that due to root only being available by unlocking and losing TA, so limited testers, but haven't had time to read the history yet.
I have to say though that the Z4 is fantastic in comparison to the Pixel C and I am very glad I have reverted to the device that I know especially at £360 for the LTE version + keyboard on Amazon open box. First time using and the device is pristine. To be fair the Z4 is many iterations of getting it right and the Pixel is googles first try. Once its at Pixel C v4 it will probably be very good!
Heres to hoping MM is officially released soon, so the chances of rooting may get better.
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Thanks for your reply, good info. I'm glad to hear some reassuring comments on the Z4T. Looks like you had a great deal as well. In the Netherlands they're hard to get. I payed €635 for the WiFi model... I'm still doubting a little bit to go for a discounted Samsung Galaxy Tab S 10.5 for €380 though. I read it'll even get Marshmallow in April. Price difference is pretty big and there's lots of stuff for it already.
I'll have a look in some Xperia phone subforums on XDA.
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Thanks for your reply, good info. I'm glad to hear some reassuring comments on the Z4T. Looks like you had a great deal as well. In the Netherlands they're hard to get. I payed €635 for the WiFi model... I'm still doubting a little bit to go for a discounted Samsung Galaxy Tab S 10.5 for €380 though. I read it'll even get Marshmallow in April. Price difference is pretty big and there's lots of stuff for it already.
I'll have a look in some Xperia phone subforums on XDA.
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Yes there are no deals on the Z4 Tab in the UK and all the new prices are the same retail price.
Thats why I decided to take a chance on the Amazon one, as I could return it if it was damaged or anything; and normal 12 months warranty with Amazon.
For me I haven't had a Samsung since my Tab 7.7 and wouldn't personally have another, but each to their own. The devs were always complaining at Samsung not releasing all the source code to their SoC's, wheereas Sony seemed to be more dev friendly.
The Z3 Tab is fantastic if you didn't mind the 8inch, but I am hoping once the Z3+ root is forthcoming and general 64bit root/recovery is done, then we will have some progress; he says, not being able to help the devs on whats seems a lot of work.
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I've got no Sony experience and I see surprisingly little custom ROM development. How 'dev-friendly' is this tablet? Does Sony provide source codes, drivers? Are they easy in unlocking bootloaders and flashing stuff like radios? Does it seem likely custom post-Marshmallow ROMs will be cooked in 1,5-2 years from now on?
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It's a shame that such a good device is so low supported by free developers even though it seems it's more open by the Sony in comparison with Samsung.
I noticed that some people think in the thread that not so much users have this device. I have an old phone so called HTC desire HD which was released in the faraway 2010, it is excellent supported as it even has the contemporary android 6.0. I don't believe that there are more HTC decide HD users rather than xperia tablet z4 users. Moreover, I see as my comrade-users of our device crying ? everyday on a Russian 4pda.ru site, that we wait but there's no a good root method, there is no a good description or a video showing us how does the only custom ROM work. What works and what is broken. And just not seeing good news over the course of several months. Of course, I am very disappointed in dramatic fashion, but I hope The change will come.
Thank you for attention!)
cut the drama
- you should not compare a phone to a tablet (numberwise)
- look into the fora for phones Z3+/Z4 and Z5
they have nearly identical SoCs, differences a sometimes build options
- there is a HUGE xperia cross devices forum here with tons of additional info
- the Z4 Tablet became available in June 2015
- the first sources from SONY showed up in .... June 2015
- I rooted the device in July - having done no Android programming or rooting before
- I ordered the device after researching (see below) and before there was root available because my findings showed that there would be sources and documentation from SONY so that if all else fails I would get later a custom rom or could even roll my own
- a video for "seeing" developing/hacking? Dream on...
- there is lots of documentation (even video) available, maybe no video on how to do a web search or an xda search
- searching (and reading and trying things out) worked for me - coming from SAMSUNG phones with no prior development experience on Android ... TRY IT
DHGE said:
- you should not compare a phone to a tablet (numberwise)
- look into the fora for phones Z3+/Z4 and Z5
they have nearly identical SoCs, differences a sometimes build options
- there is a HUGE xperia cross devices forum here with tons of additional info
- the Z4 Tablet became available in June 2015
- the first sources from SONY showed up in .... June 2015
- I rooted the device in July - having done no Android programming or rooting before
- I ordered the device after researching (see below) and before there was root available because my findings showed that there would be sources and documentation from SONY so that if all else fails I would get later a custom rom or could even roll my own
- a video for "seeing" developing/hacking? Dream on...
- there is lots of documentation (even video) available, maybe no video on how to do a web search or an xda search
- searching (and reading and trying things out) worked for me - coming from SAMSUNG phones with no prior development experience on Android ... TRY IT
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Good summary.
Small point, but the rooting element is by unlocking the bootloader, which not all will want to do. It is though an option that exists and we are thankful for those that have done so in order to progress the dev support.
hey there,
I was just wondering if *anyone* has revieved the android 6 update for his Z5 compact.
As far as I see, according to the usual tech websites, it should be available by now but I'm still getting no update prompt.
cheers
brokaaa
No
Only the Z3 and the Z3C have Android 6 beta (Marshmallow Concept) at the moment.
Sony is taking lot of time to release 6.0. I hope they:
- improve the camera firmware for the Z5 camera
- fix auto brightness bug with the colors (already announced)
- implement fingerprint sensor using standard Android APIs and not custom Sony stuff.
Sent from my E5823
thesebastian said:
No
Only the Z3 and the Z3C have Android 6 beta (Marshmallow Concept) at the moment.
Sony is taking lot of time to release 6.0. I hope they:
- improve the camera firmware for the Z5 camera
- fix auto brightness bug with the colors (already announced)
- implement fingerprint sensor using standard Android APIs and not custom Sony stuff.
Sent from my E5823
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To the things you mentioned above, they got many bugs to fix across the board. Let alone the kernel contains many bugs.
Plus, the kernel's CPU power management changed if they updated the kernel to a newer CAF branch (which i suppose they did),
and it takes time for them to refactor hotplug etc.. to the updated scheduler (very likely there will be more than 1 A57 online in 6.0+)
and correctly setup stuff.
It's better they take their time and release a relativly stable firmware >>upgrade, and not a rushed firmware which ends up being worse than Lollipop.
I agree with you Tommy but I think they should have developed a Concept for the Z5 too.
The Z5 Lollipop firmware have some terrible bugs like the auto brightness bug. That should have been fixed a few months ago.
I honestly think that without a proper concept firmware we are going to have a buggy 6.X just like the current 5.1.1
I appreciate all the other info you mentioned from CAF by the way.
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ok, we'll wait then I guess
Not yet.
Time is not a matter. I hope they release a great working update next time
Xperiablog reported that it seems the Marshmallow update for the Z4 Tablet is being delayed, so I find it quite likely that the one for the Z5 phones is delayed as well. I would be surprised if it arrives before the middle of February.
http://www.xperiablog.net/2016/01/1...allow-update-been-delayed-telstra-says-it-is/
brokaaa said:
hey there,
I was just wondering if *anyone* has revieved the android 6 update for his Z5 compact.
As far as I see, according to the usual tech websites, it should be available by now but I'm still getting no update prompt.
cheers
brokaaa
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http://www.justaboutphones.com/sony-xperia-z5-z5-compact-z5-premium-z3-marshmallow-6-0-update/
Unconfirmed news said Z5 line 6.0 ready now and preparing to roll OTA. I think after Z3/Z3 concept ended, we will get the 6.0 at the end of this month or early next month. Hope this is true.
TheEndHK said:
http://www.justaboutphones.com/sony-xperia-z5-z5-compact-z5-premium-z3-marshmallow-6-0-update/
Unconfirmed news said Z5 line 6.0 ready now and preparing to roll OTA. I think after Z3/Z3 concept ended, we will get the 6.0 at the end of this month or early next month. Hope this is true.
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Ready Marshmallow for Turchey... hope get OTA soon for others countries
@maverik99vc
What does it mean Turchey? Which country is it?
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@maverik99vc
What does it mean Turchey? Which country is it?
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Turkey
adamslast said:
@maverik99vc
What does it mean Turchey? Which country is it?
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http://www.unlockpwd.com/turkey-begins-the-release-of-android-xperia-marshmallow-z5/
I think he refer to this news. "Good news coming from Turkey, namely the Facebook profile of the company. It appears to have begun the roll out of Android 6.0 Marshmallow to the range Z5 . At the moment there seems to be a bit ‘of traffic on servers but the OTA was sent and is therefore only a matter of hours or at most a few days."
Unfortunately, we can't confirm whether or not it is true or fake. It's very unlikely Turchey will get it first. Turchey is the country who used F-16 to shoot down Russia SU-25 last year.
I am from Turkey and unfortunately there is no any OTA MM update yet.
It was March last year when the z3c got the lollipop update. I'll say same for z5 line and MM. Sony is officially terrible with updates.
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thesebastian said:
...I hope they:
- improve the camera firmware for the Z5 camera
- fix auto brightness bug with the colors (already announced)
- implement fingerprint sensor using standard Android APIs and not custom Sony stuff.
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You hit the nail on the head. The existing camera firmware and the poor fingerprint sensor recognition are my two major disappointments with my Z5C. Will be great if they can fix them.
Notchr302 said:
It was March last year when the z3c got the lollipop update. I'll say same for z5 line and MM. Sony is officially terrible with updates.
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When the Z3/Z3c Marshmallow beta concept going to end, we'll know 6.0 is real coming. The same as Galaxy S6.
It has been forever that sony updates are really late. Ive actually given up on waiting. It will come when it comes
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baste07 said:
It has been forever that sony updates are really late. Ive actually given up on waiting. It will come when it comes
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Same here HAHAHAHAH thats the best thing to do
We've also waited for LLP and after months of struggle, Sony released it full of bugs... so they are not really taking the time to release a bug free software....they are just taking the time ^_^. Hope i'm wrong with this one.
fratzika said:
We've also waited for LLP and after months of struggle, Sony released it full of bugs... so they are not really taking the time to release a bug free software....they are just taking the time ^_^. Hope i'm wrong with this one.
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Well...they only did a Concept for the Z3. So I'm expecting a buggy Z5 Marshmallow firmware and a more polished Z3 firm....
I hope I'm wrong.
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looking for a custom rom for 2 different phones s3mini SM-G730A and a s4 SGH-1337 both have kitkat 4.4.2 currently. I did a search for the top 10 roms but but it doesn't seem like my phones are supported by them. can someone please post me a link to where i can get custom rom preferably based off marshmallow. also the best methods to flash them...much thanks!
Both are at&t with locked bootloader.
No custom rom for locked BL.
upgrade options
R324D said:
Both are at&t with locked bootloader.
No custom rom for locked BL.
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so what are my options? can i port my own rom? when i bought this s4 off ebay was described as new factory unlocked with 4.4.2 but upgradable to 5.0 or 5.1. how can this be done?
galaxys4rooted said:
so what are my options? can i port my own rom? when i bought this s4 off ebay was described as new factory unlocked with 4.4.2 but upgradable to 5.0 or 5.1. how can this be done?
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That's Sim factory unlocked, not bootloader.
You always can port any rom you want, butit doesn't matter, you can't flash device with bootloader locked.
Another option for unlocking bootloader is by using sunshine apps, check their web on www.theroot.ninja to check if your device is available to unlock. Cheers.
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R324D said:
That's Sim factory unlocked, not bootloader.
You always can port any rom you want, butit doesn't matter, you can't flash device with bootloader locked.
Another option for unlocking bootloader is by using sunshine apps, check their web on www.theroot.ninja to check if your device is available to unlock. Cheers.
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rootninja only seems to support htc and motorola phones. i originally purchashed dr.fone root because it supported rooting the s3 mini i had. Recently I purchased the s4 sgh-1337 because it was a samsung phone with 2gb ram that dr.fone supported rooting. I do not like this phone as the battery does not stay charged long due to it basically has the s3 mini battery to power a 5" screen. I plan on buying another samsung phone soon. do you recomend any models I should buy that can be rooted easily that I can put a custom rom onto?
galaxys4rooted said:
rootninja only seems to support htc and motorola phones. i originally purchashed dr.fone root because it supported rooting the s3 mini i had. Recently I purchased the s4 sgh-1337 because it was a samsung phone with 2gb ram that dr.fone supported rooting. I do not like this phone as the battery does not stay charged long due to it basically has the s3 mini battery to power a 5" screen. I plan on buying another samsung phone soon. do you recomend any models I should buy that can be rooted easily that I can put a custom rom onto?
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Well, Smartphone with exynos chip has slow Android development.
If you are flashaholic and happily to try bleeding edge development ROM, obviously the answer is Google's Nexus/Pixel smartphone, it's the largest community shared ever, just pick any of nexus 5 or 6 variant. Even the old nexus 5 2013 still in active development until now.
But if you are hardcore Samsung fans (apparently), just pick any model that using Qualcomm chipset, especially the latest one.. I can't recommend specific model because haven't yet used any Samsung's phones, sorry 'bout that.
Or the easiest way, always check xda forum for specific phones model to help you deciding.
Cheers.
100.00 price range
R324D said:
Well, Smartphone with exynos chip has slow Android development.
If you are flashaholic and happily to try bleeding edge development ROM, obviously the answer is Google's Nexus/Pixel smartphone, it's the largest community shared ever, just pick any of nexus 5 or 6 variant. Even the old nexus 5 2013 still in active development until now.
But if you are hardcore Samsung fans (apparently), just pick any model that using Qualcomm chipset, especially the latest one.. I can't recommend specific model because haven't yet used any Samsung's phones, sorry 'bout that.
Or the easiest way, always check xda forum for specific phones model to help you deciding.
Cheers.
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the google nexus pixel seems to be a good phone but cost more than Iwant to spend on a phone. I'm looking to spend nieghborhood of 100.00. I'm not necisarily a diehard fan of samsung just that I have had quite of few of them and had good luck with them and been satisfied with them except for this s4 that sucks the battery down when I hardly use it. Looking to give this one to my sister after buying one I can customize and set up the way I want.