As some of you may know, recently I have purchased an LG G5. I want to know specifically is there any advantage to using near field communications, (NFC), versus using Google to restore data, contents, etc as previously used on an older or previous phone.
I would appreciate any detailed answers as I cannot receive any from members of the retail store.
I'd nfc transfer
igotroot said:
As some of you may know, recently I have purchased an LG G5. I want to know specifically is there any advantage to using near field communications, (NFC), versus using Google to restore data, contents, etc as previously used on an older or previous phone.
I would appreciate any detailed answers as I cannot receive any from members of the retail store.
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NFC is local. Google is through the cloud.
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NFC is local. Google is through the cloud.
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1St, thanks for your response. I appreciate it.
2ND, I know one is local Vs cloud, but are they exactly the same? Does NFC transfer ALL apps, the app data, non-market linked apps, etc.
I am specifically curious to find out if it actually transfers carrier specific bloat software from let's say a previously-owned AT&T or Verizon phone, to the new phone by transfer. That would suck.
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1St, thanks for your response. I appreciate it.
2ND, I know one is local Vs cloud, but are they exactly the same? Does NFC transfer ALL apps, the app data, non-market linked apps, etc.
I am specifically curious to find out if it actually transfers carrier specific bloat software from let's say a previously-owned AT&T or Verizon phone, to the new phone by transfer. That would suck.
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No, cloud will only bring down apps and possibly accounts (wallpapers, etc). It won't bring down any app data (like game progress, app configurations, etc).
I believe if you do a backup and restore from an LG to an LG device, then it will copy all data... But via NFC will copy all data that isn't app data. It'll copy over pictures, videos, download folder, apps - but again, no app data.
I could be wrong though. Whenever I get a new device, I like to start anew, and just have my apps be reinstalled.
I tried the NFC+BT route (NFC starts BT file swapping). It kept failing from my original Z2 so had to do it the cloud way. It did prompt me to select a device and backup.
Also my cloud backup did include app data including accounts, config and app settings.
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I'm wondering how to best migrate my applications and data from an Inspire to the new One. Obviously I can just reinstall everything, but that would take forever, because I have a lot of apps and also a lot of corresponding data.
I've backed everything up with TiBu, but when restoring, we have the option to reset a new device's ID number to that of the old one. Should I select that option or just start from scratch by reinstalling all the apps and only restoring data from the old handset? If I select the option to apply the ID from the Inspire to the new One, will that affect my Google Play and Amazon App Store accounts by causing them to display the wrong phone (i.e. Inspire instead of One)?
IOW, are there any dowsides to applying the old Device ID number from my Inspire to the new phone?
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I'm wondering how to best migrate my applications and data from an Inspire to the new One. Obviously I can just reinstall everything, but that would take forever, because I have a lot of apps and also a lot of corresponding data.
I've backed everything up with TiBu, but when restoring, we have the option to reset a new device's ID number to that of the old one. Should I select that option or just start from scratch by reinstalling all the apps and only restoring data from the old handset? If I select the option to apply the ID from the Inspire to the new One, will that affect my Google Play and Amazon App Store accounts by causing them to display the wrong phone (i.e. Inspire instead of One)?
IOW, are there any dowsides to applying the old Device ID number from my Inspire to the new phone?
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If I were you I would just reinstall because Google Play usually downloads all of the useful apps in the background once you open it once. Even if it glitches up and doesn't do that (happens sometimes) you can just reinstall the apps that you use (I find it useful to get rid of apps that I never use). If you want to use TiBu don't change your ID number.
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Ok, so if I reinstall my applications but don't change the device ID, will I have to buy all my licensed apps again because Google Play is seeing it as a new machine?
What I'm getting at is how to avoid losing all the licenses that I bought because I have a new phone. Or does Android licensing work by the application and Google ID no matter how many devices we use the software on, such as a phone and tablet?
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Ok, so if I reinstall my applications but don't change the device ID, will I have to buy all my licensed apps again because Google Play is seeing it as a new machine?
What I'm getting at is how to avoid losing all the licenses that I bought because I have a new phone. Or does Android licensing work by the application and Google ID no matter how many devices we use the software on, such as a phone and tablet?
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The latter. It's associated with your Google ID, just like iOS is associated with your Apple ID.
It's just the app data that won't cross over (saved games, etc).
I just went from Paranoid Android to CyanogenMod, and expected to have to re-add several apps. If I go from an AOSP ROM back to a TouchWiz ROM, it is treated as a different device, and I get an app list months old. I was pleased to see Android attempting to download my newest set of apps...
However, the sync failed like it does 50% of the time (every app individually fails). Now when I visit the Google Play store, I see my 'new' phone with only a couple of apps installed. I just lost the entire list. Since there's no way to batch install apps with the Play Store, I get to spend a looooong time looking up and reinstalling them by clicking around like an idiot.
Am I missing something? Every element of the story I just described seems like awful design. I'd really not like to resort to AppBrain or something like it. It's incredibly stupid that if the Play Store has some error syncing apps, it makes the new short list the new goal for syncing (so, it won't even try next time).
In short, it would be ideal to have my list of installed apps tied to my account, so that in the event of a problem, I could just push a large "Yes, download ****ing everything" button. Apps that aren't compatible with THIS device can just be skipped I guess. Why is this so hard? Instead I'm going down my 'All' list on my phone, tapping 5 times per app to install them one by ****ing one.
Why don't you just backup apps with titanium and then restore them when you flash a new rom? Titanium has batch commands so it's pretty much one click for each. You can also set up a back up schedule so things are always backed up
Aside from my hesitation to use another app to perform a function that is already supported...
Is Titanium storing the apps themselves, or a list of apps? I really really really do not want to store several MB/GB of data which may or may not be corrupted. If anything, I want to simply store a list of apps, which will all re-download upon restoring the backup.
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Aside from my hesitation to use another app to perform a function that is already supported...
Is Titanium storing the apps themselves, or a list of apps? I really really really do not want to store several MB/GB of data which may or may not be corrupted. If anything, I want to simply store a list of apps, which will all re-download upon restoring the backup.
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Yea it will store all the apps. But if they are working, they probably aren't corrupt.
Also, I have had a few phones over the years linked to my Google account and the play store is never segmented by phone. All my apps that I have been using since my OG Droid show up on my note 2. The times I have let the play store sync my apps they all downloaded fine as long as your screen doesn't turn off which you can force to stay on in the dev settings
I have been using titanium for 5 years now. And have restored my apps literally hundreds of times. Never once did it not work. Never had a single failure. I also have only had the play store re install my apps once. That was the very first time time I flashed a rom back on my droid. That was the first and only time it did that.
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Simply as a matter of principle, I am not concerned with storing the apps themselves. The entire point of the app sync is to keep track of what I have installed. Backing up the apps themselves strikes me as a different goal entirely.
I've had many successful restores myself, but just as many failures. It isn't that difficult of a task... and if it does fail, when every app for some reason (even if it is a legitimate one) isn't installed , there's no way to retry the process. Your new list of synced apps is now the tiny amount that succeeded, the rest are lost to needing to manually reselect. This is absurd.
Multiple phones are definitely treated as separate app lists. I have 5 devices on my Play Store account; each has its own list of associated apps.
This is because every time you flash your phone, or factory reset for that matter, your phone gets a new device ID. That makes it look like a new device to the play store. This will happen anytime you flash a ROM and wipe data. Dirty flashes do not change the ID.
If you use titanium back up, it automatically stores your device ID, so it will prompt you to revert it back the first time opening it after flashing the ROM. This will allow you to maybe reinstall apps through play store, or at least keep the "app list".
I personally think you are being petty about this. It's not Google's fault you are constantly flashing your phone and creating new app ID's.
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I have had the play store fail upon sync before, but it has never failed to keep the list of all the apps I've installed on any device tied to my google account. Strange that said list got wiped for you.
I'd just install a backup app and call it a day. I use Ultimate Backup Pro, by Jrummy. The newest version will sync your apps (a list, or the data) to Dropbox, Box, or Google Drive.
^^^ +1 for this
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This is because every time you flash your phone, or factory reset for that matter, your phone gets a new device ID. That makes it look like a new device to the play store. This will happen anytime you flash a ROM and wipe data. Dirty flashes do not change the ID.
If you use titanium back up, it automatically stores your device ID, so it will prompt you to revert it back the first time opening it after flashing the ROM. This will allow you to maybe reinstall apps through play store, or at least keep the "app list".
I personally think you are being petty about this. It's not Google's fault you are constantly flashing your phone and creating new app ID's.
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I'd like to agree that it is petty, or believe the terms of the problem as you describe them.
It isn't petty that a feature is not working correctly. Flashing a phone gives a new device ID, but so does losing it, or replacing it. You're passing off the lack of harmony as my mistake.
The mere fact none of us can find a way to retry the app sync proves my point; this argument alone brings me a bit of closure, because at least I am not the only one with the issue. If you are all happy with backing up actual program data instead of realizing the power of a synced list, fine. To suggest this behavior is the intention of Google, however, is nonsense.
...and one last word: if it were as simple as getting a new device ID upon each flash, surely I'd be able to log in to the Play Store and view the list of apps on my 'old' device, right? How does Google know that device no longer exists? How are the two ideas of "syncing apps, but not across different devices" and "getting a new ID upon flash, then attempting to sync" both able to exist?
Perhaps I'm wrong about all of this, but can you really say using 3rd party software to remedy a failed sync is not noteworthy? I specifically remember myself mocking the idea of avoiding 3rd party software when a user wanted to solve a problem... this is much different. This is a legitimate issue with an existing feature.
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If you are all happy with backing up actual program data instead of realizing the power of a synced list, fine.
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No one said you should backup/restore app data, just the app itself. The app data is actually frowned upon for the most part. Although I have done it numerous times and have never had an issue, but that's a whole different can of worms
But in the end, you do what you want to do.
You are tilting at windmills.
There is a reason everyone uses an app backup program like Titanium or My Backup Pro (those are the two I use). It's the easiest/fastest way to restore apps. Google backup and restore was not intended for 'us' who root. No amount of believing its wrong the way it works is going to change that.
There are apps that will only backup the market link (to your storage) but the only one I know of does not have a one button restore. But it's called App List Backup if you want to check it out.
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I love titanium backup. The fact that I can backup all of my apps and restore them plus restore data, such as the music that's already buffered on Google play music is great. Is a time saver! Imop
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I still feel like you guys are misunderstanding me (mostly, yes, I've tried App List Backup, and it's alright, "Google should already do this better" aside)...
Backing up programs themselves to create some huge file is a completely different thing than maintaining a list of installed apps on Google's servers. Completely different things. You may be willing to say they accomplish the same goal, something I disagree with. Let's stop talking about rooting and flashing, and start considering the idea of a lost/broken/corrupted phone. If the Google app sync worked better (in terms of reliability or feature set), it would be a painless task to have a new phone redownload all apps installed on the old one.
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I still feel like you guys are misunderstanding me (mostly, yes, I've tried App List Backup, and it's alright, "Google should already do this better" aside)...
Backing up programs themselves to create some huge file is a completely different thing than maintaining a list of installed apps on Google's servers. Completely different things. You may be willing to say they accomplish the same goal, something I disagree with. Let's stop talking about rooting and flashing, and start considering the idea of a lost/broken/corrupted phone. If the Google app sync worked better (in terms of reliability or feature set), it would be a painless task to have a new phone redownload all apps installed on the old one.
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You like to find problems instead of solutions. Sure it's a little bit of work to go down the Google Play list and install the one you want but how often are you planning to break/lose/corrupt your phone?
Backup file size. Backup to dropbox. Backup to your SDCard. Move your backup file to your PC.
Restoring a device to the way it was. Do a nandroid. Use your extSDCard. Root the new phone and restore. Boom exactly the way you left it.
I think you already mentioned that you didn't want to use AppBrain. But that is another potential solution.
I realize you want a perfect native Google solution but we are not the ones who can solve that for you. It would be a nice feature, but I still wouldn't use it. App backup gives me more control with really no downside. And nandroid is a perfect system restore with data intact.
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I got my son (he bought it) a Nexus 9 at launch from the Play Store. It has some of the design issues and we may need to swap it, but he's hesitant since he's got all his apps and settings on it now. Without rooting, is there any way to transfer everything to a new device. We have held off on rooting due to warranty issues and wanting to get a few updates down before tweaking it. Can I just copy all the system folders and files to the new device or is it more complex than tha. I own Titanium Backup for my other android devices but it only works with Root. Any easy way to do it.
Try helium backup. Also Google's backup works really well. When you get the new device It should restore it. Make sure you have backup and reset on in the existing device.
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I got my son (he bought it) a Nexus 9 at launch from the Play Store. It has some of the design issues and we may need to swap it, but he's hesitant since he's got all his apps and settings on it now. Without rooting, is there any way to transfer everything to a new device. We have held off on rooting due to warranty issues and wanting to get a few updates down before tweaking it. Can I just copy all the system folders and files to the new device or is it more complex than tha. I own Titanium Backup for my other android devices but it only works with Root. Any easy way to do it.
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If you are going to give the nexus 9 another try, there is no need, lollypop backs up all settings and apps (allthough not app settings) and restores them on first setup from the cloud.
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If you are going to give the nexus 9 another try, there is no need, lollypop backs up all settings and apps (allthough not app settings) and restores them on first setup from the cloud.
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Would that include all the stored data in the particular app too - That's what I loved about Titanium
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Would that include all the stored data in the particular app too - That's what I loved about Titanium
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No, the data inside the app would be lost, you can use as jd1639 said "helium", which even if you are not root, has a method to backup apps and app data.
Here is the link to the app, give it a try https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.koushikdutta.backup.
Hi there.
I currently have a Galaxy S7 Edge (rooted) and am moving to a Mate 20 Pro, which will not have root (at least initially)
What's the best solution to copy app data across from the S7? Will Huawei's Phone Clone app copy all app data?
If not, is there a better solution?
Also, does the Phone Clone app transfer data locally via wifi, or does it bounce everything to an external server?
Cheers.
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Hi there.
I currently have a Galaxy S7 Edge (rooted) and am moving to a Mate 20 Pro, which will not have root (at least initially)
What's the best solution to copy app data across from the S7? Will Huawei's Phone Clone app copy all app data?
If not, is there a better solution?
Also, does the Phone Clone app transfer data locally via wifi, or does it bounce everything to an external server?
Cheers.
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In Android there is limited option to copy over the apps data unless the phone is rooted. Generally speaking you need to set up your apps again on the M20 Pro.
I have used Huawei's own backup and restore all to migrate over apps from my old Sony phone, they worked but some apps had some issues, so I finally ended up wiping the phone and start fresh, and the problems disappeared.
So probably is best to bite the bullet and set up all your apps from scratch. I know it's not ideal, all my previous phones were rooted and used Titanium Backup to restore apps and data, which without root is not possible.
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In Android there is limited option to copy over the apps data unless the phone is rooted. Generally speaking you need to set up your apps again on the M20 Pro.
I have used Huawei's own backup and restore all to migrate over apps from my old Sony phone, they worked but some apps had some issues, so I finally ended up wiping the phone and start fresh, and the problems disappeared.
So probably is best to bite the bullet and set up all your apps from scratch. I know it's not ideal, all my previous phones were rooted and used Titanium Backup to restore apps and data, which without root is not possible.
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Thanks, yeah I ended up not using Phone Clone as it crashed on my S7 when trying to connect to my new M20P.
I used Googles restore process which got most of the app data down, still had to set a few things up from scratch though.
Hello,
So I just transfered my Data throught Smart Switch, wich was basically a good thing.
However on one part Iam really not so happy and need a better way.
Because if you want to transfer your Accounts as well (check this Option), you get forced to activate WIFI & Internet - for everything else you don't need to.
Why? Probably because Smart Switch wants to send your accounts to the samsung servers, wich is done pretty fast, because the accounts are basically just text.
I don't want to send my accounts around and I bet you don't want to as well. Except you do sync everything... then its too late anyway.
So my Question is:
Is there a good workaround or another tool, wich lets you transfer your main accounts - without sending them to samsung or anyone?
What is your experience? And do you know a workaround?
Please let me/us know
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Never trust SmartSwitch with critical data.
Make backups for contacts and all apps the allow you export/import settings/data. Use ApkExport to make installable copies of all your apps and updates.
All critical data like images, music, vids should be backed up as folder and should already be redundantly backed up to at least 2 hdds that are physically and electronically isolated from each other and the PC.
When going to a different model it's best not to use SmartSwitch. For the same device I use it to transfer homepage settings only.
A clean load yields best results... and can last years with minimal maintenance if you don't do stupid stuff including firmware updates and upgrades.
Yeah, I think so as well.
However APK Export is from 2018. I don't think It can be trusted either. Especially with Android 12 etc
Also I didn't give SmartSwitch Internetaccess, because of AFwall, so Iam ok with that.
Problem is now, how to transfer all the accounts? I don't like to do it all manually.
It doesn't let me do it without an Internetconnection, wich can't be trusted. I don't want to send all my accounts to samsung, lol. That seems to be the only purpose, why there needs to be an Internet Connection with the Accounts.
Before Titanium Backup was great and also it took all the Accountdata with it (whatsapp etc).
Now there seems to be Swift Backup, but I need to test it first.. it doesn't seem to be that powerful.
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Yeah, I think so as well.
However APK Export is from 2018. I don't think It can be trusted either. Especially with Android 12 etc
Also I didn't give SmartSwitch Internetaccess, because of AFwall, so Iam ok with that.
Problem is now, how to transfer all the accounts? I don't like to do it all manually.
It doesn't let me do it without an Internetconnection, wich can't be trusted. I don't want to send all my accounts to samsung, lol. That seems to be the only purpose, why there needs to be an Internet Connection with the Accounts.
Before Titanium Backup was great and also it took all the Accountdata with it (whatsapp etc).
Now there seems to be Swift Backup, but I need to test it first.. it doesn't seem to be that powerful.
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Well I'm running Android 9 and 10, deliberately.
The ApkExport is clean freeware.
It either will work with 12 or not.
Easy enough to test.
Now Iam also searching for another Alternative.
So basically to have the Function like Smart Switch, but for any Phone, so you can at least quickly transfer contacts etc. - any Ideas?
Edit: maybe found some ways here:
https://mobiletrans.wondershare.com/samsung-transfer/alternatives-for-samsung-smart-switch.html
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they are all not as good as Smart Switch so far... damn.
Edit3: Here is Smart-Switch and many Alternatives - wich need to be tested..
smart switch - Android Apps on Google Play
Enjoy millions of the latest Android apps, games, music, movies, TV, books, magazines & more. Anytime, anywhere, across your devices.
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But Iam still searching for a good way to also transfer the accounts savely to an S22U.
Damn a Smart-Switch Mod would be awesome.
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But Iam still searching for a good way to also transfer the accounts savely to an S22U.
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Backup as a text or wdoc so you can cut/paste.
You need to redundantly backup critical data by tried and proven methods or you risk getting your data splattered like a NYC crime scene.
Ok, now I have an S21 Ultra ^^
But still I had this Problem... and some apps didn't had their app data.
I have both rooted phones. Isn't there a better alternative?
Edit again:
Before I always used Titanium Backup in this Case, wich worked great, but sadly does not work on Android 11/12 properly and now it seems to be abandonware.
However here I found a possible solution/alternative:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=swift+backup
But I wonder again, why you have to login to your google account with this tool...
And here are some solutions as well:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=backup+app+data+android+12