I'm not happy :( - Xperia Z5 Compact Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I used a Z3 Compact and it was the best phone I ever had. But the same problem as with ALL Sony devices I ever owned came around: the headphone jack stopped functioning correctly. So I passed it to my partner and bought an unlocked Z5 Compact. And it's SLOWER.
I thought that 2 GB RAM would make it a beast, same as Z3 Compact. It didn't, and it was explained to me in another thread that it's because of the 64-bit architecture rather than 32-bit. I feel kinda cheated to be honest. Last thing I expected is for the new model to be slower. It keeps getting rid of background apps – if I switch to Chrome with a few tabs open, then Spotify, then back to Kindle, it takes up to 10 seconds to reload the book I was reading. This never happened in Z3 Compact. Not once.
I disabled all bloat I could. Running latest MM. Does anybody have any hints how to speed it up?

raytheblacksmith said:
I used a Z3 Compact and it was the best phone I ever had. But the same problem as with ALL Sony devices I ever owned came around: the headphone jack stopped functioning correctly. So I passed it to my partner and bought an unlocked Z5 Compact. And it's SLOWER.
I thought that 2 GB RAM would make it a beast, same as Z3 Compact. It didn't, and it was explained to me in another thread that it's because of the 64-bit architecture rather than 32-bit. I feel kinda cheated to be honest. Last thing I expected is for the new model to be slower. It keeps getting rid of background apps – if I switch to Chrome with a few tabs open, then Spotify, then back to Kindle, it takes up to 10 seconds to reload the book I was reading. This never happened in Z3 Compact. Not once.
I disabled all bloat I could. Running latest MM. Does anybody have any hints how to speed it up?
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Dont have this problem on my z5c and think MM made it that much better but this will be my last sony phone for a while because sony just sucks ass on the software side.

raytheblacksmith said:
I used a Z3 Compact and it was the best phone I ever had. But the same problem as with ALL Sony devices I ever owned came around: the headphone jack stopped functioning correctly. So I passed it to my partner and bought an unlocked Z5 Compact. And it's SLOWER.
I thought that 2 GB RAM would make it a beast, same as Z3 Compact. It didn't, and it was explained to me in another thread that it's because of the 64-bit architecture rather than 32-bit. I feel kinda cheated to be honest. Last thing I expected is for the new model to be slower. It keeps getting rid of background apps â?? if I switch to Chrome with a few tabs open, then Spotify, then back to Kindle, it takes up to 10 seconds to reload the book I was reading. This never happened in Z3 Compact. Not once.
I disabled all bloat I could. Running latest MM. Does anybody have any hints how to speed it up?
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I didn't use z3c,but there is a number of Chinese Android fans who are always think highly of MM.

Well 64-bit code uses more RAM than 32-bit code. Can be upwards 2x the RAM amount IIRC.

RiTCHiE007 said:
Dont have this problem on my z5c and think MM made it that much better but this will be my last sony phone for a while because sony just sucks ass on the software side.
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I've tried three different Sony phones over the years,all with software bugs. I've never had a Samsung or HTC that had bugs in official firmware, it's just crazy.

civicsr2cool said:
I've tried three different Sony phones over the years,all with software bugs. I've never had a Samsung or HTC that had bugs in official firmware, it's just crazy.
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Well just checking other phones XDA sections shows you must have had HTC or Samsung phones when the software already was patched and mature.

EQ2000 said:
Well just checking other phones XDA sections shows you must have had HTC or Samsung phones when the software already was patched and mature.
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If that were the case how many more firmware updates does Sony need to try before they can get it right? We're on #4?

If the headphone jack stopped working, could you not get a warranty repair? I did

Gomezie said:
If the headphone jack stopped working, could you not get a warranty repair? I did
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I could, of course, but my partner said "I don't mind, I'll take it" so I went and bought an unlocked Z5C thinking "yay, I'll have an even faster phone with fingerprint reader!". So now sending Z3C for repair means one of us will be without a phone for two weeks. I'm very tempted to sell the Z5C and buy a S7 – I figured out if I use a black marker on the logo and then put a protective glass on it I can tell people it's not Samsung.

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Well 64-bit code uses more RAM than 32-bit code. Can be upwards 2x the RAM amount IIRC.
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64 bit RAM dynamic management is much much mature than on a 32 bit. Can be upwards 2x the RAM amount IIRC for sure, though snapdragon 810 processes and manages ram much more efficient than if it was on a 32 bit platform actually. Yes the ram may seem to always be sitting around 70-80% but this doesn't mean it will struggle due to small ram GB, it actually maximizes the 2GB efficiently regardless of whats left, it will always be around 70% regardless of the amount of APPS you have running in the background.
Of course, it won't always be intelligent in maximizing the RAM properly all the time, but that has mostly due to the OS unfortunatly

Frankly I don't know how the memory is managed, but it's worse than Z3C and that's not what I expected...
Android OS takes 800+ MB in Memory tab in Settings –*is that normal?
Maybe I just have to wait for the fully operational CyanogenMod port...

Idreaus said:
64 bit RAM dynamic management is much much mature than on a 32 bit. Can be upwards 2x the RAM amount IIRC for sure, though snapdragon 810 processes and manages ram much more efficient than if it was on a 32 bit platform actually. Yes the ram may seem to always be sitting around 70-80% but this doesn't mean it will struggle due to small ram GB, it actually maximizes the 2GB efficiently regardless of whats left, it will always be around 70% regardless of the amount of APPS you have running in the background.
Of course, it won't always be intelligent in maximizing the RAM properly all the time, but that has mostly due to the OS unfortunatly
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64-bit code still needs more space in RAM than 32-bit code for same function. You are looking at upwards 50% more RAM usage.

raytheblacksmith said:
I disabled all bloat I could. Running latest MM. Does anybody have any hints how to speed it up?
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Just flash back 5.1.1 and fixed. The Sony MM got memory management problem, I've been roll back lollipop for a long time mainly because of this issue. If you read the Z3/Z3c board, many reports they got memory issue after up to MM and this affected our Z3c/Z5c very much bcoz we've got only 2GB ram. Z3/Z5 a lot better bcoz of 3GB ram.

5.1.1 has more issues than Vogue though... I do have a feeling the phone was faster on it though. Damn.

From people's experience – if I factory reset and do a clean install, does Android OS still occupy 800+ MB?

I am using the latest Firmware which was flashed via flashtool with a cleanwipe of everything and freshly formatted class 10 SD card. Since MM the phone runs very very fast, stable and there is almost no noticable lag switching between apps and in normal usage. Ive then uninstalled and deactivated any app I dont need or use. Also quite a few system apps. After manually closing all the apps and also after a reboot I have 900mb of RAM used up by the system. This is quite a lot, but I havent run into any bottlenecks because of this. So, in the end, I really cant complain and I am overall very happy with the stable high speed and battery life this phone delivers.

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From people's experience – if I factory reset and do a clean install, does Android OS still occupy 800+ MB?
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Yes, it will and is normal from what I've seen. I did a clean install with flashtool, and at the moment, Android OS is using about 900 MB RAM. I haven't noticed any issues like you have, but I don't multitask very often either.

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From people's experience – if I factory reset and do a clean install, does Android OS still occupy 800+ MB?
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Just roll back 5.1.1 believe me.... It's true that MM more smoother and less heat generated but during heavy multi-tasking(like you playing around with Chrome which I believe you actually need a 4GB phone) it got some memory management bug. For light to medium usage user, they should not experience this issue so it won't appear to all user.

I did a factory reset and redownloaded all apps and backups. SO FAR it seems better –*Kindle no longer reloads just because I switched to Chrome for a minute. I'll see how the phone copes in a week.
I'm using Safari on my Mac, but of course there's no Safari for Android... is Firefox better with memory management? MM did fix a lot of 5.1.1 errors (like the brightness bug which was driving me batty). I looked at 6.0.1 (for other phones) and it looks like the most important feature is more emojis. Yaaas, I can't possibly live without more emojis Come on Sony, I know you're all moist about the X series, but at the moment Z5 is STILL your flagship phone.

RiTCHiE007 said:
Dont have this problem on my z5c and think MM made it that much better but this will be my last sony phone for a while because sony just sucks ass on the software side.
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yup also probably my last sony phone (i had 4years sony xperia b4 the z5) i goin to keep this one till the phone\batt are dead so its about 4-7years (unless it brake or someone will steal it,i hope not..)
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the reason i didnt bought Z5 , (i bought z5c) is screen size) but 2GB it really little.. one of the reason i dont upgrade yet
its weird cuz i had old sony device with 512MB ram and it work fine with MM, it was 32bit and maybe more optimized

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Xperia on the Fuze

Hi, I have been in a constant debate with myself whether to get the Fuze(AT&T version of Raphael) or get an Xperia X1 when it comes out. However I have recently decided to go with the Fuze.
I was wondering is there anyway to take the 9 panel application on the X1 called Xperia and put it on the Fuze. I'm talking about keeping the original rom of the Fuze but adding this Xperia as an extra application? By saying "adding it as an application" I mean, I'm ok with flashing the rom, but I just want to be able to use the Fuze like how it is and access the Xperia at will. If you could have both without having to pick one or the other.
Surely this is possible since the fuze has a little bit better hardware and the Xperia software is made by HTC. Please let me know if this is at all possible, because I believe that would make the best phone, combining these two.
*Edit: Well, I have recently learned that the X1 had a ram update increasing it to 384mb, so I guess I'm going with it now. Still curious though if it would be possible to put xperia on the fuse?
9 panel application
Yes you can download the apllication 9 panel from the sony experia x1 to htc touch pro. I did it today. The application is downloable on wmpoweruser.com.
The name of the application is Dynamo 3.
While wmpoweruser is a great site =p you don't have to go that far...
Here is the link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420220
thanks to both of you for responding, but I looked up both dynamo's you posted, 2 and 3. They are both not actually what I was looking for. I was more or less talking about extracting the actual xperia from the x1 and seeing if it could be applied to the Fuze. Reason for this is so the Fuze could run the xperia applications and so through the xperia panel window you could download more.
Like i posted earlier I decided to go with the xperia anyways, but it would still be cool for other people.
There's a reason they're giving the Xperia 384 MB of RAM, that panel setup is more of a memory hog than TF3D! Keep that in mind if you want to put it on the touch pro, it will run like hell and lag every time it rotates (even the Xperia lags when it rotates landscape to potrait in panel mode!)
Black93300ZX said:
There's a reason they're giving the Xperia 384 MB of RAM, that panel setup is more of a memory hog than TF3D! Keep that in mind if you want to put it on the touch pro, it will run like hell and lag every time it rotates (even the Xperia lags when it rotates landscape to potrait in panel mode!)
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Yeah I agree with you, but you mentioned that the xperia lags everytime it rotates...are you sure? Every video on the internet (including the one the designer has on the webcast under a month ago) is running off the original build of the xperia. The original build of it had 128mb. The designer even admitted that the one he is running (that lagged a good bit) is the one from march. In march it was definitely still 128mb. Seeing that it's had a 256mb update since then, I doubt it's gonna lag much. It has more ram than any phone I've heard of coming to the US, and 3 times the ram surely won't make it lag as near as much.
Even on youtube video which was uploaded on September 15th, which was when it still had 256mb and not the final rom barely lagged. You can notice a much bigger difference from all the other videos and this isn't even as fast as it is now.
clburns1 said:
Yeah I agree with you, but you mentioned that the xperia lags everytime it rotates...are you sure? Every video on the internet (including the one the designer has on the webcast under a month ago) is running off the original build of the xperia. The original build of it had 128mb. The designer even admitted that the one he is running (that lagged a good bit) is the one from march. In march it was definitely still 128mb. Seeing that it's had a 256mb update since then, I doubt it's gonna lag much. It has more ram than any phone I've heard of coming to the US, and 3 times the ram surely won't make it lag as near as much.
Even on youtube video which was uploaded on September 15th, which was when it still had 256mb and not the final rom barely lagged. You can notice a much bigger difference from all the other videos and this isn't even as fast as it is now.
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How about this video of the Xperia being taken out of retail packaging, 4 days ago, and it lags when it rotates? Check it... Towards the end.
http://miniurl.org/2qL
Black93300ZX said:
How about this video of the Xperia being taken out of retail packaging, 4 days ago, and it lags when it rotates? Check it... Towards the end.
http://miniurl.org/2qL
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Yes I know exactly the one you're talking about. That is the one with sweeden or Russian language in the bottom left corner with red lining? That was actually posted over a month ago, just not on youtube until recently. I saw it when it was first posted i think near the beginning of September. The final phone still hasn't been viewed by the public because it was shipped out of the wear house on September 30th and it takes about a week for any of the stores to get it. Only the people working on the xperia x1 have the final release of the phone. We should start seeing the recent version, with the 128mb increase from that video and with the final/stable rom, in about 4 more days.
-edit: I just saw your link, sorry about that but yeah that was the one i was talking about. It also just got posted on youtube today. And the language is actually in Czech, but yeah that was still posted when it had 256mb.
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Black93300ZX said:
Nice call that "they were shipped out on November 30th" and we're barely into October.
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Yeah well...one mess up in my response that was supposed to say september, and I'm gonna guess unless you have no knowledge of the entire xperia status, than you would assume that i meant September.
clburns1 said:
Yeah well...one mess up in my response that was supposed to say september, and I'm gonna guess unless you have no knowledge of the entire xperia status, than you would assume that i meant September.
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I actually had no idea when they were releasing, my bad... I honestly didn't mean to be nit picking at words, I was just confused. I don't plan on buying the phone, so the release date to me isn't very important. If you find out if/when AT&T is getting a phone with Android, lemme know, but the Xperia can be tomorrow or January and it won't affect me.

[Q] whats the point of updating my Android OS if i'm using a launcher ?

I have a Galaxy S2 phone (running Ice-Cream-Sandwich), but i flashed a larger 'System partition' and 'Data partition' ( 1GB & 6GB respectively ), which is much larger than the Stock version.
Ok, imagine this comparison:
THREE identical GalaxyS2 phones:
* 1st phone: Adroid 4.0.3 (Ice-Cream-Sandwich), running Nova Launcher.
* 2nd phone: Android 4.1.2 (Jelly Bean), running Nova Launcher.
* 3rd phone: Android 5 (Lollipop), running Nova Launcher.
in ALL 3 cases, i will be using Nova Launcher. So my Visual experience will be identical.
so, what is the point of bothering to upgrade the Phone OS ?
- as far as I have heard, upgrading OS on the Galaxy S2 will slow down my phone anyway.
is there something I have missed ?
easybullet3 said:
I have a Galaxy S2 phone (running Ice-Cream-Sandwich), but i flashed a larger 'System partition' and 'Data partition' ( 1GB & 6GB respectively ), which is much larger than the Stock version.
Ok, imagine this comparison:
THREE identical GalaxyS2 phones:
* 1st phone: Adroid 4.0.3 (Ice-Cream-Sandwich), running Nova Launcher.
* 2nd phone: Android 4.1.2 (Jelly Bean), running Nova Launcher.
* 3rd phone: Android 5 (Lollipop), running Nova Launcher.
in ALL 3 cases, i will be using Nova Launcher. So my Visual experience will be identical.
so, what is the point of bothering to upgrade the Phone OS ?
- as far as I have heard, upgrading OS on the Galaxy S2 will slow down my phone anyway.
is there something I have missed ?
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You'll be less vulnerable to security hole that has been patch up in latest OS. There have been numerous report about hacker able to steal your phone data back on 4.0-4.2.
Also new features and possible bug fixes. Your question is like why to buy a new car when your 20 years old is the same color, it has 4 doors as well, etc.
By the way, pretty bad approach judging an os by just the visual appearance. Furthermore i don't believe samsung did not change the UI at least slightly between those versions. Not to mention the UI is not just your launcher.
Just one big change between 4.x and 5.x - in the latter, the apps run in ART, before they ran in dalvik. Art supposed to be faster as - and i don't remember exactly the technical details - but the code is pre-translated when they are installed and not upon run-time.
There can be no comparison of what launcher you have on what phone compared to what OS version it has.
I've used several phones over the last 18 months, the one I bought off eBay running android 4.0.4 ice cream sandwich was c***.
I then had several phones running 4.1 or 4.2 jelly bean, these where better, much more "stable"
I have a galaxy s1 running 5.1.1 lollipop, and a brand new moto e purchased with 4.4.4 kitkat but now upgraded to 5.1.1 lollipop and by co insistence I run nova too, and as far as I'm concerned, lollipop is streets ahead of anything else, with kit kat a close second, but my opinion is not based on what launcher each phone has, its based on a range of variables, calling, texting, ease of use, bugs, music, and internet browsing.
Running the latest software means a device is less vulnerable to security issues, will be running at peak performance and small bugs will be fixed.
For anyone to say I have three phones running nova so I don't need to update to a newer software is quite frankly naive, stupid and irresponsible, but that's your choice and just my opinion, its a bit silly to judge latest OS but how it looks, remember how it looks is just one small thing, Samsung haven't changed touchwiz much since the year dot have they?
I prefer a stock look on any phone I use that's why I went for a moto e, flashed omni ROM on my s1 and run nova to get rid of the awful touchwiz and run the latest OS on my phones.
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Reidwan said:
You'll be less vulnerable to security hole that has been patch up in latest OS. There have been numerous report about hacker able to steal your phone data back on 4.0-4.2.
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ivan39 said:
There can be no comparison of what launcher you have on what phone compared to what OS version it has.
.... the one I bought off eBay running android 4.0.4 ice cream sandwich was c***.
I then had several phones running 4.1 or 4.2 jelly bean, these where better, much more "stable"
I have a galaxy s1 running 5.1.1 lollipop,
.... and as far as I'm concerned, lollipop is streets ahead of anything else, with kit kat a close second,
its based on a range of variables, calling, texting, ease of use, bugs, music, and internet browsing.
Running the latest software means a device is less vulnerable to security issues, will be running at peak performance and small bugs will be fixed.
For anyone to say I have three phones running nova so I don't need to update to a newer software is quite frankly naive, stupid and irresponsible, but that's your choice and just my opinion, its a bit silly to judge latest OS but how it looks, remember how it looks is just one small thing, Samsung haven't changed touchwiz much since the year dot have they?
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Thanks for your replies guys:
i want to share my personal reasons (based on what you said):
i have had ALL THREE of the above OS running on my GalaxyS2. (IceCream Sandwich, JellyBean and Lollipop).
its currently with Lollipop running Nova. (but its way too slow on my phone and killing my battery).
so, my thoughts were to Downgrade to Jellybean (which I know will be much faster) for my phone and use a Nova Launcher.
- (I have a feeling that KitKat will also be slow on my device).
As for the issues you both pointed out:
- Security issues that you both mention. Seriously, I am not concerned by any security vunerabilities or people stealing my data. I have nothing important worth stealing on my phone. i am 0% concerned by security.
- However, if some small Bugs have been fixed, then obviously that is a PLUS. (from my memory, I didnt have many issues with Jellybean, though ICS seemed to crash a lot).
- You mentioned: "Calling, Texting, Browsing" is improved with more recent versions. BUT, arent these just Apps ? Browsing is Chrome. Chrome on jellybean or Lollipo is the same Chrome app. FUnctioning exactly the same, no ?
and SMS and Phone and contacts again are Apps.. part of the Google Apps (Gapps). and i can also download any 3rd party phone or SMS. so I didnt really understand how a latter version of OS can be better browsing, phone and SMS. (again, i am not concerned with security if that was your point).
I am on a Galaxy S2 that has increased System and Data partitions. but its still limited by speed.
with every version of OS i go up, my phone slows down slightly.
is there something (apart from the above) that I am not aware of ?
IYes there is something else you are missing.
You have an s2, I have an s1, its not my daily phone, its my work phone.
I noticed like you that the higher version OS I used, the phone did indeed slow down.
It slowed down due to hardware limitations of the device, not the Newer OS slowing the phone, its was the phone slowing the OS down..........
In my personal experience, my s1 also drained the battery whilst on lollipop, kit kat didn't drain so much , but was very laggy, and jelly bean (4.3.1) was about the best choice between performance and stability, didn't lag but had much less in the way of tweaking options.
I also had a phone from a Korean manufacturer (huawei) that I hated the horrible ui, installing Nova over the usual ui, and after a few days the phone became laggy, froze and crashed a lot.
Now for the bad bit.
1. Are you mad?
You say you are 0% concerned about security?
HELLO!
Do you know what its like to be the victim of identity theft?
Dont you understand saying "I have nothing on my phone" is like saying there is no petrol in my car......
What about your contacts?
What about your own personal data like passwords and emails?
Your phone number?
Android constantly updates any security issues with things like this, it is very important and you should be concerned about it, not display such naivety in this nasty place of a world, someone will always try to take advantage of you or people that show no concern for their or their contacts security, believe me.
2. Again, you show no understanding and much naivety by suggesting browsing, calling and SMS are just the same app.
Let me correct you, its not.
The chrome I use on my moto e is not the same chrome that was on it before it upgraded from kit kat to lollipop, yes its a better, and improved version, but no, not the same, neither is the built in browser, the dialer or the messaging app.
You suggest you can use or replace the stock apps with 3rd party apps, yes you can, and no one or nothing can stop you doing that.......
But have you stopped for a second to consider the small fact that using Nova launcher and other 3rd party apps over the stock ones may been the cause of your problems?
Just because you have increased partition size does not mean throwing 100 apps on it will make it work faster or better than before, you are still limited by physical ram and processing speed, and I'm sure your s2 processor isn't anywhere near as fast as the processor on my moto e?
Yes you may have noticed a difference by increasing partition size but in my own experience, and reading lots other peoples experiences on here, lots of problems can be attributed to having too many apps bogging the system down, and nova is known to be a big ram hogger!
This is what crashed my Huawei
And I agree with the previous post that it may be a bad idea saying what your phone looks like is a reason or no reason to update the OS.
Its entirely up to you if you choose to update or not, no one can make that choice only you, but I fear by the nature of your post and what you have replied that you don't have that much experience and don't really know what you are talking about.
Its not my intention to offend or upset you, but you don't display the knowledge to press you argument, i suspect many here on xda will not even bother replying to you or may just laugh at you, I'm not going to lecture you, ive probably embarrassed you enough so I'll shut up.
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I'm sorry if my reply was harsh, I was not meant to be harsh, but I want make you realise your phones performance is not dictated by the launcher, although the launcher you use can have a dramatic effect on your phones performance.
Have you tried other launchers?
Your post doesn't say if you have, so I suggest you try holo or L launcher, something lightweight, test and report how you get on, goto play store, have a good look around, mini launcher is another one to consider.
Forget nova, let's assume Nova is your problem.
Try other launchers.
Get rid of the 3rd party apps.
All of them.
Just keep essential apps, no bloat and nothing unnecessary.
Again, test for a few days, report back.
Downgrade your android version to 4.3, again, don't install anything unnecessary and test, see how you get on.
Report your findings after a few days.
Stop advertising the fact you have an increased partition, it won't have any effect on performance and just throwing lots of apps on your newly larger partitioned storage will still bog it down.
Forget it, but its still there, its not going to have any effect on your overall performance, so don't tell anyone about it, there's no point.
Please let us know his you get on, but promise to try my suggestions first, OK?
There is a reason I said things the way I did.........
That is when I started messing around last year with my S1 and had problems with lag, crashing and various other issues, I did not research what was causing my problems, it was only the fact I had a shed load of 3rd party apps slowing my S1 down and when I posted here on xda that fact, I was made fun of and people called me stupid, I'm not suggesting you are stupid, but take time to experiment and don't assume anything, this can be sorted but only with some time and effort from you.
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ivan39 said:
It slowed down due to hardware limitations of the device, not the Newer OS slowing the phone, its was the phone slowing the OS down..........
In my personal experience, my s1 also drained the battery whilst on lollipop, kit kat didn't drain so much , but was very laggy, and jelly bean (4.3.1) was about the best choice between performance and stability, didn't lag but had much less in the way of tweaking options.
You say you are 0% concerned about security?
Do you know what its like to be the victim of identity theft?
What about your contacts?
What about your own personal data like passwords and emails?
Your phone number?
You suggest you can use or replace the stock apps with 3rd party apps, yes you can, and no one or nothing can stop you doing that.......
But have you stopped for a second to consider the small fact that using Nova launcher and other 3rd party apps over the stock ones may been the cause of your problems?
Have you tried other launchers?
I suggest you try holo or L launcher or mini launcher, something lightweight
Forget nova, let's assume Nova is your problem.
Get rid of the 3rd party apps.
All of them.
Just keep essential apps, no bloat and nothing unnecessary.
Downgrade your android version to 4.3, again, don't install anything unnecessary and test, see how you get on.
Please let us know his you get on, but promise to try my suggestions first, OK?
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wow!! really, i wasnt expecting such a detailed reply.
honestly, thank you very much for the time and effort you put into your reply. (really, no offence taken at your harshness).
and hopefully others that stumble on this subject (in my position) will learn from the input on this thread.
OK.
the only thing that you wont like to hear, is about security, i'm still not worried about it as much as yourself...
(but everything else you said, I agree with)
[About the Security topic]
my reason:
i know tonnes of people who are on ICS or Jellybean still (because that is what came with their phone). they maybe upgraded once (from Gingerbread to ICS, or from ICS to Jellybean).
all these people i know are way less technical than I am !! and they wouldnt have a clue how to update their phones that they have been carrying around for 4+ years.
there must be litterally millions of people around each country (grandparents, non-tech people, kids of around 8 to 12 years old with a smart phone). and all on the same stock version of android that originally came with their phones.
(Android Version 'Market Share', currently shows 50% of the market using kit-kat and beyond... and the remaining 50% using jellybean and before).
[source: wikipedia Android Version Page]
so, not wanting to have the latest android version (coz of improved security) means I am in the same boat as half of all the worlds android users.
anyway... no point wasting time about security. that is the only part I am of a different opinion with you. (and even if you feel I am being silly,,, I am not a worrier,,, even if they get my contacts and start annoying my friends or emailing whoever or deleting my facebook or reading my emails. or even pleasuring themselves to my family photos,, honestly i am not gonna lose any sleep over it).
i'm sure most people dont want that. and of course i dont either. but also i'm not sacrifice the speed of my phone (which I use so many times per day), just coz I feel safer about security with a more recent OS that my phone is trying to keep-up with (resulting in a slowly user experience).
Everything else that you said really ressonated with me.
i only know the TouchWiz and Nova. so Yes, I will try holo or L launcher or mini launcher.
Currently I have Lolipop and Nova and a basic Gapps package and about 50 apps downloaded.. (though many are not being used).
i have this hunch, that (for me) my best option will end up being a simple return to a Jelly Bean Custom (unbloated) Rom, with a launcher that doesnt hog the RAM too much.
My 50 Apps on the phone will probably end up being more like 30 in the end after I have weeded out the bad ones.
if I can find a good KitKat Rom that is stable, unbloated and highly recommended, then I might be happy with that too
PS: Ok, i wont bragg about my amazing supersonic 1GB system partition and 6GB of data.. Lol .. (ok,, sorry,, couldnt resist)..
PPS: seriously,, this lollipop is crazy battery drain on my phone! it ran out in under an hour!! just one photo was eating up 1% each time!
i had way more apps (with ICS and Jellybean last month) and never had this kind of battery drain !
sorry for the long winded reply.
(kind of a thanks for your original replies)
I will report my findings here.. but it may be slow,, coz I dont have much time for app data saving, and backups this next week.
Well at least we agree!
I can't really compare my S1 to your S2 (mine has a super extended 9gb partition that some people say having is total madness) since I updated it to lollipop the battery drain was mad, totally crazy.
But for a 5year old phone that was officially only supposed to run android 2.3 gingerbread, I had an amazing time boasting to my work colleges I had the latest version of android, but was humiliated and embarrassed by the 5hr battery time (on stand by with data and WiFi on)
I too used nova with a lollipop theme, uninstalling nova smoothed out general running, it was a tad more stable, but i like you assumed the launcher was the be all and end all, I had no idea that some launchers absolutely killed the battery or consumed so much ram.
I also wrongly assumed having such a large internal partition was fine to put loads of apps, themes, ringtones ect.
I had around 40 apps on my S1 when general stability was lost, it was laggy, crashed, rebooted and force closed all the time.
So after being made fun of in the omni ROM forum here on xda, I took the plunge and downgraded to kitkat, again, I lost general stability but going through my own investigations and testing and retesting, i found my gapps package was the culprit.
I flashed a smaller gapps package and general stability was restored, but I still had laggy start ups and force closes.
I downgraded again to cm10.2 (android 4.3.1) and that cured my problem once and for all.
I had similar issue a fortnight ago when I got my brand new moto e on contract, I got a bootloader unlock code from Motorola and didn't waste anytime rooting and flashing cm12.1 (android 5.1.1) but after a few days it became unstable, so I'm now testing other custom roms, the best for moto e I've found being paranoid android lp 5.1.1 and cr droid lollipop that I'm running now, but I'm not running nova on my moto e, as the trebuchet or launcher 3 whatever it is called is just as configurable as nova, I'm running a cm12.1 theme and I'm very happy with my set up, but I only have about a dozen apps like Facebook, YouTube and gmail installed, and it is the most stable configuration I've ever found in a custom ROM.
I do wish you well, im very glad you agreed with my reply, and I do wish you well, I just think its a shame I don't have an S2 to hand so I could help you out, there's nothing worse than having problems with our phones!
Good luck
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Poor SoT and little bit laggy

As in title. Running atm stock 5.1.1 with elementalx kernel ( tried going back to stock one ). At best get 5 h SoT but mostly 4 ( from what I can see people get on average 7-8 hours. Tried clean flashing it once again, tried lollipaloza ( meh ). In addition to that I think the performance of my N9 is pretty weak ( gets laggy on home screen, switching between apps, some games ). Any suggestion about fix ( maybe matter of ROM or kernel? )In worst case scenario will probably just send it back to HTC service.
Cheers
SOT is very dependant on what else is going on with your device. I seriously doubt there is anything wrong with your device and I wouldn't waste your time or HTC's returning it. Those who are getting longer time are doing the following:
Location off
Touch sounds off
Screen dimming on manual and low
To name a few
Google battery life xda. There are many threads on how to get better battery life on XDA. Kernels and roms are not magic bullets.
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SOT is very dependant on what else is going on with your device. I seriously doubt there is anything wrong with your device and I wouldn't waste your time or HTC's returning it. Those who are getting longer time are doing the following:
Location off
Touch sounds off
Screen dimming on manual and low
To name a few
Google battery life xda. There are many threads on how to get better battery life on XDA. Kernels and roms are not magic bullets.
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Those are screenshots taken 1 min ago of my battery.
http://imgur.com/a/9sH1B
The battery isnt the biggest problem thou ( as long as it keeps 1 day on 1 charge its k for me, ofc would love it to be around 7-8 hours instead of 4.5h ) the biggest problem is my experience about performance of my N9, even thou it is supposed to be much more powerfull device than N5 it just does not feel at least as smooth as N5. It feels way more laggy than N5. Maybe this is how N9 rolls. Does yours N9 like have 2-3 sec delay after pressing home button to return to main screen? boot up 2 mins + ( everytime )? 2-3 sec delay after oppenning apps? You bassiclly feel like it is choking with simple tasks such as returning back to home screen. Cause on my N5 all of those things are instant thats why I am wondering whats a problem here.
1. Gonna try disabling location ( most of time it was on GPS only )
2. I've got touch sound off straight after took it out of box ( it annoyed me )
3. Well my screen is most of a day on like 15% of brightness and when I am in a bed it is min
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I have to ask about custom ROMs at this point. I have a Nexus 6 running stock T-Mobile firmware and it runs amazing. Very responsive...I rarely if ever touch the screen and then feel like it locked up. The N9? Not so much. I've run stock 5.x.x and I'm running the 3rd M Preview right now, and I can't say I am seeing any improvement. M seems no better or worse, except with sleep battery drain on M, which is awesomely small.
I find that the WORST app on the device is Chrome, no matter what version (stable/beta/dev). It is just touch, then wait for SOMETHING to happen. Even the loading circles and often the bottom nav bar stuff goes unresponsive. Multitasking can take several seconds to switch or start an app. It's just a stuttery, freezing mess. I don't know at this point if it's that stock Android just sucks on the N9, or the nVidia 'denver' experiment is just a total fail. To answer a common rejoinder: I have wiped the device several times and see the same crappy stuttering/lagging/freezing on a newly reset tablet.
I'm wondering if people who were in my circumstances found salvation with a custom ROM and/or Kernel. If so, is there a 'favorite' out there for compatibliity, speed and stability? Do these ROMs for the N9 truly solve the atrocious unresponsiveness of the device? I honestly don't even give a crap about battery drain at this point. I'd rather have a tablet I have to recharge all the time than one I don't even want to pick up because I can tap the screen and then go do something on my Nexus 6 while waiting for the Nexus 9 to unfreeze itself and consider doing the thing I just asked.
Any advice would be useful. I'm okay with going back to a 5.x custom ROM at this point. I am looking forward to Marshmallow, but it hasn't really solved my complaints against this tablet.
Randy
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Just found it while flicking through Q&A posts in N9 section . This is exactly what I experince.
wojwem19 said:
Those are screenshots taken 1 min ago of my battery.
http://imgur.com/a/9sH1B
the biggest problem is my experience about performance of my N9, even thou it is supposed to be much more powerfull device than N5 it just does not feel at least as smooth as N5. It feels way more laggy than N5. Maybe this is how N9 rolls. Does yours N9 like have 2-3 sec delay after pressing home button to return to main screen? boot up 2 mins + ( everytime )? 2-3 sec delay after oppenning apps? You bassiclly feel like it is choking with simple tasks such as returning back to home screen. Cause on my N5 all of those things are instant thats why I am wondering whats a problem here.
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Yes, everyone experiences this unless they only have the stock GApps installed and nothing else. Eventually the device will become laggy like that after a week or two of a fresh flash of the Nexus images.
It is in my humble opinion that it is not software, but a hardware issue. The device has a 64bit CPU and 64bit OS. That in it self is a good thing, but coupled with the fact it only has 2GB of RAM is where the issue lies. If the N9 had 3GB of RAM we would not be experiencing these issues.
metaphz said:
Yes, everyone experiences this unless they only have the stock GApps installed and nothing else. Eventually the device will become laggy like that after a week or two of a fresh flash of the Nexus images.
It is in my humble opinion that it is not software, but a hardware issue. The device has a 64bit CPU and 64bit OS. That in it self is a good thing, but coupled with the fact it only has 2GB of RAM is where the issue lies. If the N9 had 3GB of RAM we would not be experiencing these issues.
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Yea, you are probably right. Just wanting to add my 2 cents. I've followed some of the advice found here on XDA. A lot of people recommended switching to Dirty Unicorns. So did I. Must admit that it rotated my experience by 180°. My N9 finely feels smooth.
wojwem19 said:
Yea, you are probably right. Just wanting to add my 2 cents. I've followed some of the advice found here on XDA. A lot of people recommended switching to Dirty Unicorns. So did I. Must admit that it rotated my experience by 180°. My N9 finely feels smooth.
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There are customs ROMs on many devices that can give you some visual *tweaks* to give the illusion of faster performance. When it comes down to the bottom line no ROM can add a GB of much needed RAM.
I'm not picking on the N9, I love the device and there isn't another tablet I would rather purchase. Google said they were not making a 2015 Nexus tablet which is fine by me, but it would have been nice to come out with a 2015 of the N9 with 3-4GB of RAM...

Huawei T1 8 Pro - A way to confuse people and put my 2 cents

US..ONLY..So after an extensive research ...I bought the biggest Smartphone I can get...An 8 inch screen phone with a good battery life. For starters, here is what I found out...
Huawei has several models that are very confusing and even their customer service were not that much informative. models I have encountered are the following:
Huawei T1 8 Pro Honor - 823 L - 2 GB RAM and 16 GB Storage (Limited Bands for LTE but 4G speeds were fast enough for my use, got it from ebay)
Huawei T1 8 Pro Honor - 821 L - 1 GB RAM and 8 GB or 16 GB Storage options (More bands for LTE but 1 GB of RAM only)
Huawei T1 8 Pro Honor - 821 W - 1 GB RAM and 16 GB storage option (I think the W stands for WIFI...this I cannot confirm)
Huawei T1 8 Pro Mediapad - 2 GB RAM and 16 GB Storage from gethuawei website...out of stock as of this writing)
Huawei T1 8 Mediapad - 1 GB RAM and 16 GB Storage
This one has 4.4 for Android OS...I do not know if http://forum.xda-developers.com/hua...ot-huawei-mediapad-t1-8-0-pro-lte-t1-t3262608
has found a way to upgrade to Lollipop and remove bloatwares.
personally, the hardware is decent and battery life is great. I used it for 1 day and end fo the day still had 50% of battery life. I do need to have big pants though. Is there anyone trying to develop an updated OS for this system?
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US..ONLY..So after an extensive research ...
This one has 4.4 for Android OS...I do not know if http://forum.xda-developers.com/hua...ot-huawei-mediapad-t1-8-0-pro-lte-t1-t3262608
has found a way to upgrade to Lollipop and remove bloatwares.
personally, the hardware is decent and battery life is great. I used it for 1 day and end fo the day still had 50% of battery life. I do need to have big pants though. Is there anyone trying to develop an updated OS for this system?
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Nope nobody is developing anything to this device... Not even Huawei I guess... BTW after root bloatware can be easily removed...
Too bad...
Con_Sole said:
Nope nobody is developing anything to this device... Not even Huawei I guess... BTW after root bloatware can be easily removed...
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Too Bad, this is a good device and the battery life is good for a phone with an 8 inch screen. It is also good for those who have problems with vision and not wanting to be bringing 2 devices for travels.
I may have to learn programming to see if I can update this...
I have the MediaPad T1 8.0 Pro and it has the best radio/modem for T-Mobile coverage. It even covers their HSPDA+ 750 MhZ band which only a few phones cover; this is the band that T-Mobile calls the "building buster" for its ability to penetrate most buildings. So yeah for all that.. I'm now waiting for an 8-inch phablet that's octo-core and features Lollipop or Marshmallow. So far I have been unable to find one..
So which one of the above did you get? 823L, 821L, or the one from Gethuawei website?...i m like you impressed with the build but needs a pure Android OS to maximize it's potential.
A have the pro8 t1-821L its rootable and bloatware can be removed this way I have also unlocked the bootloader but there is no custom recovery or ROM which is a damn shame because it's nice bit of kit a can watch movies all night long on it and still not need to charge it also am not locked to EE either so if any devs r reading this post please help this phablet out? cheers
Agree
skooter32 said:
A have the pro8 t1-821L its rootable and bloatware can be removed this way I have also unlocked the bootloader but there is no custom recovery or ROM which is a damn shame because it's nice bit of kit a can watch movies all night long on it and still not need to charge it also am not locked to EE either so if any devs r reading this post please help this phablet out cheers
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I would have wanted the 821L also but there were no 2GB available anywhere. Only 1 GB. But even with my 823L and connecting at 4G, the speed is negligible in our area which is Central Florida. I get to watch Netflix, and Youtube also with not much lag. And I do not have to squint from a small screen. Agree, also that if anyone can build a custom ROM that's plain Android Lolllipop would be nice.
Would a T1 8 Cutom ROM work for the T1 8 Pro?
http://unlock-bootloader.net/how-to/unlock-bootloader-huawei-mediapad-t1-8-0/
str8pah23 said:
I would have wanted the 821L also but there were no 2GB available anywhere. Only 1 GB. But even with my 823L and connecting at 4G, the speed is negligible in our area which is Central Florida. I get to watch Netflix, and Youtube also with not much lag. And I do not have to squint from a small screen. Agree, also that if anyone can build a custom ROM that's plain Android Lolllipop would be nice.
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Yes it would be and highly appreciated too?
str8pah23 said:
Would a T1 8 Cutom ROM work for the T1 8 Pro?
http://unlock-bootloader.net/how-to/unlock-bootloader-huawei-mediapad-t1-8-0/
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The page you linked is not good. The download links are there just to make you send money. Currently there are no custom recovery for huawei t1 8.0 neither to t1 8.0 pro without that installing custom roms are not really convenient. And also I wasn't able to find any custom rom especially on XDA, so I'm pretty sure thereare no "hints" on xda as the page says....
Huawei MediaPad T1 8.0 Pro GSM Unlocked 4G LTE US
Yes I do agree with everyone here. It is a very great device and a lot of bang for your buck plus more. The great thing about it is that you can basically make it however you want it. I manually updated mine to Android 6.0.1 Marshmallow. Which took some time because Huawei is a very new brand and I had to get used to there EmotionUI. Which didn't take long because its Android too. Just without the app drawer. So its kind of ahead because Android N is going that direction from what I hear. Also after rooting and installing BusyBox I tried to install xPosed. But the Huawei device wouldn't take it because they already have there own framework. So I started to tinker more with it and found out that yes indeed they have framework already. That's why it reads a message error when trying to install xPosed and it says something about xPosed not being compatible. I believe it has something to do with their EmotionUI. Not sure though because that's my first Huawei experience. The device is really solid though. Resolution can be tweaked and the display looks so gorgeous then. Values for everything can be tweaked to make the OS run liquid smooth and fast with very little noticeable lag or hiccups. Also the volume values can change as well giving it a more premium sound. Camera resolution was turned up along with high quality pictures. So the pics stayed sharp looking. Also when some values are entered it gives the gaming experience so much more life through the CPU and the GPU. Rendering gets way better too. Also changing the data values gives it more LTE speed too. Along with other values that make the browser loading times instantly. Even when being on the mobile data network seems like you would be connected to WiFi. It saves a lot of data too. And the battery is amazing. I'm trying to remember what other tweaks worked perfect for it and it ran with no problems. Oh yes it can multi task with up to four things going on. I got the app where you can, watch YouTube and Google something. And watch something on eBay all in different windows at the same time. It got warm but handles it very well. You should overclock it and have the battery set on smart mode. Oh yes and change the font. I had Disney font on it and went to a more modern font look. I'll let y'all know what else I did if I can think of anymore things. Just reply I will come back to this forum. It is my most favorite device of all at the moment. And Huawei is so new too.
mduong1981 said:
Yes I do agree with everyone here. It is a very great device and a lot of bang for your buck plus more. The great thing about it is that you can basically make it however you want it. I manually updated mine to Android 6.0.1 Marshmallow. Which took some time because Huawei is a very new brand and I had to get used to there EmotionUI. Which didn't take long because its Android too. Just without the app drawer. So its kind of ahead because Android N is going that direction from what I hear. Also after rooting and installing BusyBox I tried to install xPosed. But the Huawei device wouldn't take it because they already have there own framework. So I started to tinker more with it and found out that yes indeed they have framework already. That's why it reads a message error when trying to install xPosed and it says something about xPosed not being compatible. I believe it has something to do with their EmotionUI. Not sure though because that's my first Huawei experience. The device is really solid though. Resolution can be tweaked and the display looks so gorgeous then. Values for everything can be tweaked to make the OS run liquid smooth and fast with very little noticeable lag or hiccups. Also the volume values can change as well giving it a more premium sound. Camera resolution was turned up along with high quality pictures. So the pics stayed sharp looking. Also when some values are entered it gives the gaming experience so much more life through the CPU and the GPU. Rendering gets way better too. Also changing the data values gives it more LTE speed too. Along with other values that make the browser loading times instantly. Even when being on the mobile data network seems like you would be connected to WiFi. It saves a lot of data too. And the battery is amazing. I'm trying to remember what other tweaks worked perfect for it and it ran with no problems. Oh yes it can multi task with up to four things going on. I got the app where you can, watch YouTube and Google something. And watch something on eBay all in different windows at the same time. It got warm but handles it very well. You should overclock it and have the battery set on smart mode. Oh yes and change the font. I had Disney font on it and went to a more modern font look. I'll let y'all know what else I did if I can think of anymore things. Just reply I will come back to this forum. It is my most favorite device of all at the moment. And Huawei is so new too.
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How did you updated your device to Android 6.0?
Yes, how did you update to 6 Marshmallow, your experience is very promising for us...
Sorry....
Con_Sole said:
The page you linked is not good. The download links are there just to make you send money. Currently there are no custom recovery for huawei t1 8.0 neither to t1 8.0 pro without that installing custom roms are not really convenient. And also I wasn't able to find any custom rom especially on XDA, so I'm pretty sure thereare no "hints" on xda as the page says....
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So sorry the link is not working...I guess it's up to this thread if we can have enough people to put our thought and reviews together about this device. As of today, I started looking at battery life, Pulled out the charger at 7 AM, Now its 7 Pm and I still at 70%.
str8pah23 said:
So sorry the link is not working...I guess it's up to this thread if we can have enough people to put our thought and reviews together about this device. As of today, I started looking at battery life, Pulled out the charger at 7 AM, Now its 7 Pm and I still at 70%.
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Can we use a T1 10 Pro Rom for this device? Any of our XDA programmers chime in...?
So I just bought a Huawei ascend mate 7... finished using the tablet phone as I am almost done with my school... It was a nice piece of hardware and convenient in not having to bring two devices... But now I need mobility so I will be selling this one soon on eBay. If only it had a good following to install a updated os ....
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Is it worth buying Aqua m4 nowadays?

Just have been proposed in carrier offer several modest budget phones, among them I like Aqua m4 and Huawei p9 lite.
When compared p9 lite seems to prevail in almost any aspect, except one: water resistance
Indeed, imagine, what gain from better hardware if when it accidentally drops into e.g. sink then it becomes just a brick?
However when in forums here I keep reading about Aqua's cumbersome issues, Sony's user-unfriendly and unkind bullying like attitude (in stock MarshMallow blocked SD internal storage expansion despite built in storage is remarkably small),
in practice water resistance appears very dubious,
problems with famous overheating which often bricks phones,
WiFi battery drain etc,
then the above points makes me think twice.
In fact carrier consultant defended Aqua's quality saying the main hardware issues, like overheating, were present just in initial distribution line,
after numerous consumers feedback the manufacturer improved Aqua's deficiencies and now the model is mature enough and rock solid stable.
Would you share this view our rather you would prefer p9 lite?
Warmly thanks for any of your advice, in advance!
i will prefer P9 Lite, new device and maybe new OS (Nougat) :laugh:
I prefer Xperia M4 Aqua
ioy said:
Just have been proposed in carrier offer several modest budget phones, among them I like Aqua m4 and Huawei p9 lite.
When compared p9 lite seems to prevail in almost any aspect, except one: water resistance
Indeed, imagine, what gain from better hardware if when it accidentally drops into e.g. sink then it becomes just a brick?
However when in forums here I'm keep reading about Aqua's cumbersome issues, Sony's user-unfriendly and unkind bullying like attitude (in stock MarshMallow blocked SD internal storage expansion despite built in storage is remarkably small),
in practice water resistance appears very dubious,
problems with famous overheating which often bricks phones,
WiFi battery drain etc,
then the above points makes me think twice.
In fact carrier consultant defended Aqua's quality saying the main hardware issues, like overheating, were present just in initial distribution line,
after numerous consumers feedback the manufacturer improved Aqua's deficiencies and now the model is mature enough and rock solid stable.
Would you share this view our rather you would prefer p9 lite?
Warmly thanks for any of your advice, in advance!
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It's worth considering that most of the issues are gone. I rarely get phone to heat (Never actually heated on marshmallow) nor battery drain on wifi since I did clean update not like some users who say otherwise. It's awesome phone just lack of storage kills it try to buy 16gb one
tomcis147 said:
It's awesome phone just lack of storage kills it try to buy 16gb one
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What if the carrier proposition doesn't include such Aqua version?
And also greater SD: does it accept,
and what about Android MM's internal memory expanding into SD, does it work at last in Aqua?
Why in Android MarshMallow specifically it doesn't heat up at all?
I hate the M4 Aqua because there are no custom ROMs for it.
But there are no ROMs for the P9 Lite (yet) either.
If installing a custom ROM is your thing, then i would choose neither.
If on the other hand you do not care about custom ROMs then i would choose the Huawei for it's better specs (for me screen resolution is most important difference) , unless you live in a place where you get wet often and you need the water proofing the M4 Aqua offers.
maXDAmn said:
i will prefer P9 Lite, new device and maybe new OS (Nougat) :laugh:
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Yes the new device, much better hardware, dual SIM, however NOT WATERPROOF
Is Nougat the new system version so important?
In fact the newest software usually is very buggy, it needs time to mature through painstaking consumer feedback
ioy said:
Yes the new device, much better hardware, dual SIM, however NOT WATERPROOF
Is Nougat the new system version so important?
In fact the newest software usually is very buggy, it needs time to mature through painstaking consumer feedback
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The newest software is not always very buggy. Sometimes it is. Sometimes it is not. The Marshmallow for my M4 Aqua runs without any problem for me.
The newest software is not always very buggy. Sometimes it is. Sometimes it is not.
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And sometimes it offers worse functionality, is Nougat really better and why?
Waancho said:
The Marshmallow for my M4 Aqua runs without any problem for me.
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Have you rooted, modded, the phone, have you it with unlocked bootloader and custom recovery?
papak.p said:
I prefer Xperia M4 Aqua
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Please, write more
ioy said:
Have you rooted, modded, the phone, have you it with unlocked bootloader and custom recovery?
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I have unlocked bootloader, custom recovery, that's it.
Don't you need root?
KittyKat FreeTab1001
Waancho said:
I hate the M4 Aqua because there are no custom ROMs for it.
If on the other hand you do not care about custom ROMs then i would choose the Huawei for it's better specs (for me screen resolution is most important difference)
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Android stock system modding should suffice, making ROOT, trimming the bloatware, installing some system controlling suites (e.g. 3C tools, LBE) not to mention Xposed with some very innovative modules
And are there custom kernels for Aqua here?
Why is screen resolution so important for you?
It seems the "HD-ready" 720x1280px on 5inch display is
hardly discernable from FullHD 1080x1920px,
can you see the difference, honestly, can you indeed
perceive it by your own eyes and isn't it just a placebo?
Maybe someone needs it for reading through magnifying glass
And probably higher screen resolution drains battery faster.

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