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I have been a long time android user (windows mobile before that, palm before that). I love the flexibility of the platform. I love using my phone to do things that historically you need a pc to do. (usenet,movies,bittorent, now chromecast)
That being said while I enjoy the Note 3 and Android as a whole I find the flexibility I loved about android (roms,kernels,etc) is slowly going away with locked boot loaders. The note 3 has had the least developer support of any android phone I have had to date (HTC incredible, galaxy nexus, gs3)
In addition because of the number and variety of android devices the accessories for Android devices are generally less quality and slower to market then the Iphone. My galaxy nexus never got a proper car dock.
So now I am faced with a hard question. If I am forced to buy a phone with a locked bootloader I might aswell get a I phone (and jail break it). Because there are only 2 models of Iphone the dev support is much more focused. The accessory market is better etc, car integration.
Is any one else in the situation. Right now I am debating the nexus 6 (dual speakers unlocked bootloader) and the Iphone 6 plus. With the next HTC one max on the list if that is ever announced.
Is anyone else in the same boat.
*obviously everyone experience with android will be different*
It kinda sounds like you've answered your own question already.
In my experience, every Nexus has been terrible for accessory support. Remember that dock that was supposed to release very soon after the 1st gen Nexus 7? And didn't show up until right before or right after the 2nd gen Nexus 7 came out? Yeah. The Galaxy Nexus had some pretty mediocre accessory support, too. It got a Commuter and Defender, and in like two colors.
The one Android phone I had that had awesome accessory support was my Razr M. I had a car dock, the phone itself had an awesome car mode and all. The next Android phone that I've experienced with half decent support was the S5, but the Galaxy Note line doesn't get the same love. With my Note 3, I use my Spigen Bounce case (love the hell outta this thing) and a universal car mount if I need to use it as a GPS. That's all I really need, I guess.
My one knock against the 6 Plus is how awkward that thing looks. Of course, that's personal opinion, but I have a feeling a lot of Note 3 owners may share in my sentiment on that. I could be wrong.
I'm in the same boat except I definitely won't get the Note 4. My wife has a 6+ and I love messing around with the thing. On the other hand I love Android and have a ton of money with apps/music etc on it. I'm seriously torn myself I love the 6 inch screen, speakers, unlocked bootloader etc. On the Nexus, But the 6+ feels great imo in hand and is ridiculously smooth. And with jailbreaking it there is actually quite a bit you can do with them after reading up on it. I think I'm probably going with the 6+ personally. As you also stated the accessories for it for outweigh other phones, the 128gb option is nice, and just to get a new OS to play around with.
We have a thread to discuss other devices here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2466108
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Hi folks just wanted to know your opinion. I'm torn between this two and can't decide, so decided to open this thread for other people too that are torn between this two smart watches. So which one dou you think I should buy and why?
Note: I have a Moto X Pure edition (2015)
I would say the Moto 360, but I'm biased because that's what I've decided on
Check out the 'Why the Moto 360?' thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-360-2015/general/360-t3220206
I suppose the answer is: what do you want to do with it? The Gear S2 will not have as many apps as an Android Wear device - so while it might be great for notifications and tracking fitness etc, anything else you want to use it for might be more difficult (at least in the short term until more apps are developed for Tizen). On the other hand, the screen on the S2 is probably better (although smaller?) than both 360s, and the rotating bezel is a nice trick. The straps on the S2 are not standard watch straps as far as I know, so that might be another deciding factor.
There are some helpful YouTube videos that might give you some more information to help decide between the two:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV1X-9lFxhs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnswpfFDZ-w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqkhUyJ06DQ
Check out Jeremy Judkins (who decided over the period of a week to return his Gear S2 and get something else):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVCmhiottGg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTiUNvVhQ5Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj3ffsOEoyw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nqwiwZMwtE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKwkU0nW9Ag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ombNZ_m5Nfc
As you already have a Moto X Pure, I would say get the 360 - but maybe others with actual experience of the S2 can chime in.
EDIT: Also check out the Gear S2 forums here http://forum.xda-developers.com/gear-s2 - and here is a review written by an owner http://forum.xda-developers.com/gear-s2/general/gear-s2-review-t3227584
Much thanks for your response! Based on all your information and links, I think the moto 360 is the better buy, and also found that some peoole are having trouble to reconnect their watch and phone if they have the marshmallow update. Also the lack of apps could be a bum on the gear s2 . I really like the rotating bezel of the s2 and I think is a really clever way to operate a smart watch, but overall the moto 360 and android wear are the superior watch and operating system.
Moto. Because the ecosystem around Tizen is stagnant or dead depending on what you're looking to do with it.
Hey everyone,
I got finally got the urge to buy a smartwatch and couldn't refuse the 30 dollar deal AT&T had with the contract. (Yeah, I know it's weird to get a 2 year contract for a watch, but even if I cancel it, it's still very cheap lol)
What I exactly want still doesn't exist (Gear S like watch with added features of S2 like NFC for tap to pay, IPX68 water resistance, some type of a smart bezel/dial, better app support like android wear for tizen) so I got what I think would work for me and went with it.
While doing all this, wife got jealous so we ended up getting her a rose gold moto 360 Gen 2. She's loving it so far.
I'm not the kinda guy to get last gen stuff, but I feel like this phone has some features I would want out of a smart watch, so I went with this instead of the S2 from AT&T. I would have really liked the LG Urbania (sp?) if it was still available and could make phone calls standalone.
ANYWAYS...
I just want to know if anyone decided to get a Gear S instead of a Gear S2 for whatever reasons... I'm curious what they were.
For me it was:
Proximity, and brightness sensor
bigger screen
doesn't look so much like another watch, so if I decide to wear my higher end watches, it doesn't look like I have 2 watches, but more so one smart device and one watch.
clasp and bit more premium feel
to go charger pack (maybe S2 has this too)
The reasons I considered S2 (and still do)
numbersync from at&t (is this coming to gear S?)
rotating bezel
slightly less obvious form factor (which contradicts my smart device thought)
NFC for tap to pay
I guess I'm just creating a discussion here. Feel free to chime in!
Personal preference
Still loving my Gear S. Haven't seen many S2 or even apple watches in Vancouver as yet, though I'm sick of people asking "Is that the Apple thingy?". I'm using this as a primary Phone these last few months only missing the camera function and initiating messages. That NFC Tap-to-Pay function you mentioned would be nice as well. As for customizing; I have several bands from E-bay to suit my mood and can even make it look high-end. (see http://forum.xda-developers.com/gear-s/accessories/stainless-steel-metal-band-gear-s-sale-t3091831). It IS water-resistant; I'm in the movie industry and this thing gets a beating/soaking from stunt and background work. Can't do without it anymore for exercise, riding , dog-walks or emergency - no more losing/forgetting/misplacing big old cellphone. Truth? I just really love showing off the convenience and features. Could've sold at least 2 dozen on set last season. The S2 and apple watch are simply extensions of their respective phones IMO.
I ordered mine from Ebay a few days ago. For me, it came down to the fact that they took away some great features in the S2. I like having the ability to use it as a standalone device. I also hate smartphones with rounded screens. Just doesn't make sense to me.
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I ordered mine from Ebay a few days ago. For me, it came down to the fact that they took away some great features in the S2. I like having the ability to use it as a standalone device. I also hate smartphones with rounded screens. Just doesn't make sense to me.
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You mean smartwatch? lol
I figured if I have 2 rounded watches, and I feel like wearing my rolex, it would be awkward to have 2 watch looking devices. at least with the phone like styling of Gear S, it looks like I have some smart device on my wrist lol.
and FYI, S2 does have a stand alone version.
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Hey everyone,
I got finally got the urge to buy a smartwatch and couldn't refuse the 30 dollar deal AT&T had with the contract. (Yeah, I know it's weird to get a 2 year contract for a watch, but even if I cancel it, it's still very cheap lol)
What I exactly want still doesn't exist (Gear S like watch with added features of S2 like NFC for tap to pay, IPX68 water resistance, some type of a smart bezel/dial, better app support like android wear for tizen) so I got what I think would work for me and went with it.
While doing all this, wife got jealous so we ended up getting her a rose gold moto 360 Gen 2. She's loving it so far.
I'm not the kinda guy to get last gen stuff, but I feel like this phone has some features I would want out of a smart watch, so I went with this instead of the S2 from AT&T. I would have really liked the LG Urbania (sp?) if it was still available and could make phone calls standalone.
ANYWAYS...
I just want to know if anyone decided to get a Gear S instead of a Gear S2 for whatever reasons... I'm curious what they were.
For me it was:
Proximity, and brightness sensor
bigger screen
doesn't look so much like another watch, so if I decide to wear my higher end watches, it doesn't look like I have 2 watches, but more so one smart device and one watch.
clasp and bit more premium feel
to go charger pack (maybe S2 has this too)
The reasons I considered S2 (and still do)
numbersync from at&t (is this coming to gear S?)
rotating bezel
slightly less obvious form factor (which contradicts my smart device thought)
NFC for tap to pay
I guess I'm just creating a discussion here. Feel free to chime in!
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You mention it being last year's tech, but if you compare the gear s to the brand new standalone gear s2 you'll find that it has the exact same processing power. But the nfc would be a nice feature. What it really came down to for me was the gear s has the screen size that allows it to have a fully functional keyboard. The rotating bezel is great in the gear s2 for scrolling through notifications and other functions, but trying to type with that is annoying. I am still surprised at how often I use the on screen keyboard of the gear s
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I figured if I have 2 rounded watches, and I feel like wearing my rolex...
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I see what you did there, big baller.
Of course, I forgot the S2 has a standalone version. I saw it every time I went to the T-Mobile website to figure out how to get a data plan. But I'm sure it would be significantly more expensive than what I paid for the Gear S. But correct me if I'm wrong, they took away the speaker and the microphone from the Gear S2, right? I read that somewhere.
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I see what you did there, big baller.
Of course, I forgot the S2 has a standalone version. I saw it every time I went to the T-Mobile website to figure out how to get a data plan. But I'm sure it would be significantly more expensive than what I paid for the Gear S. But correct me if I'm wrong, they took away the speaker and the microphone from the Gear S2, right? I read that somewhere.
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They took away the speaker and microphone on the gear s2 and gear s2 classic, but they brought both back in the new standalone version
I will add that using the phone capability few days ago, (wife called, phone was downstairs, I was upstairs) it's a feature I will most certainly expect in a smart watch.
and that being said, even though the keyboard is tiny, it's rather usable with the 'swype' style typing. Easy to text if you have to. Used it several times already. I'll be missing that on the S2.. (of course I can T9 old school which I was pretty good at back in the day lol)
They both have positives and negatives that cancel each other out, but I'm getting used to my S that I don't know if I want to give it up lol.
Gear S Forward, Gear S2 Lost features.
Techngro said:
I ordered mine from Ebay a few days ago. For me, it came down to the fact that they took away some great features in the S2. I like having the ability to use it as a standalone device. I also hate smartphones with rounded screens. Just doesn't make sense to me.
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THIS!!
Exactly the same for me. I waited for the S2 and the speaker (used to Gear S). Once I realized that all notifications just disappear (can't get them back). I was not happy. The sole and main reason I left android wear.
God forbid, we DO want to go back and read a text again, or email, etc.
just my two cents.
Zeek
Got the Gear S2 the day it came out. Felt it did a lot of things right like the rotating bezel, the wireless charger etc. All things considered it felt like a watch that was more catered towards new buyers then early adopters. I've owned every iteration of the gear watch, kept my live for android wear and my nexus 6p.
I ended up returning my gear s2 because it didn't feel like an upgrade but more of I side-grade for all the things I gained i list another and it's so damn small. Not manly at all. If they made a bigger one I could be swayed. The size was really a deal breaker for me. After all the times I walked up to people at the office and pointed at their apple watch saying "Cute watch. Do they make them for men too?" Now the joke was on me. LOL.
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Got the Gear S2 the day it came out. Felt it did a lot of things right like the rotating bezel, the wireless charger etc. All things considered it felt like a watch that was more catered towards new buyers then early adopters. I've owned every iteration of the gear watch, kept my live for android wear and my nexus 6p.
I ended up returning my gear s2 because it didn't feel like an upgrade but more of I side-grade for all the things I gained i list another and it's so damn small. Not manly at all. If they made a bigger one I could be swayed. The size was really a deal breaker for me. After all the times I walked up to people at the office and pointed at their apple watch saying "Cute watch. Do they make them for men too?" Now the joke was on me. LOL.
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I feel you on the size issue also. On the new standalone s2 they did make it a little larger, but it still isn't enough of an upgrade to make me switch out my gear s
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I feel you on the size issue also. On the new standalone s2 they did make it a little larger, but it still isn't enough of an upgrade to make me switch out my gear s
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I agree. You know what bugs me though? Why the hell did they not update the software on the strip to match the s2? The new keyboard? The new features that can easily be replicated? The skin? I don't get it. I hate how Samsung just abandons their product after 18 months. It really irks me... Just saying.
I think u did forget that the standalone version of s2 dose have a E sim card. Wich is so new that few countrys do have it.
I love my GS and would never downgrade it for S2.. S2 is not a bad watch..but i have tested the moto 360 and a round little screen is no fun for scrolling or using or reading. The only thing i miss in my S is the camera.
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Compared the S2 and the S couple days ago at the AT&T store. Some features are neat (mainly the alternative way to scroll and I like the S health app more) but that's about it. I didn't like the flimsier rubber band, and side by side, that is a very small screen.
AT&T rep and I compared on screen typing (on a pinch if you must) it was a serious PITA even with T9. As we all know, S voice doesn't always work so...
I don't see myself letting go of this watch for an S2. LIike someone said, it's more of a sidestep then an upgrade.
I'll be sticking with the Gear S.
We'll see what S3 brings to the table end of this year. I'm pretty sure it will be another circular watch though.
And I do wish Samsung wouldn't abandon their products so fast. I wouldn't mind if they continued to update the software on this thing and bring few things update like S health.
I've also been messing with the wife's moto 360 2015. it's ok... I'm not really sold on the android wear experience either.
To be fair, s voice is a million times better than what it used to be. It was unusable back in the days of the s3/s4. It's nowhere near as good as Google, but at least it's acceptable on the tizen watches
so I'm looking to get a smartwatch and am trying to decide between the zenwatch 2 and moto 360 gen1. I've read a lot of threads on the moto 360 about firmware issues after the latest update. so if you had to decide, would you go with the zenwatch 2 or moto 360 knowing that you may have issues with the moto 360?
Zw2. The first gen moto has an older TI processor, much slower overall. There is another forum were this has been asked and that was one if the big things. A lot comes to personal preference as well, do prefer round or square?
this kinda says it all as well:
"would you go with the zenwatch 2 or moto 360 knowing that you may have issues with the moto 360?"
I own both a Moto 360 (1st gen) and a Gear 2 (running AW), just to compare them what I like best.
Both watches have their positive and negative points, so you need to look for them and check your personal likings.
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hamagc said:
Zw2. The first gen moto has an older TI processor, much slower overall. There is another forum were this has been asked and that was one if the big things. A lot comes to personal preference as well, do prefer round or square?
this kinda says it all as well:
"would you go with the zenwatch 2 or moto 360 knowing that you may have issues with the moto 360?"
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I prefer a round face, but that can be overcome with a custom round watchface. What draws me to the zenwatch 2 is more the price point and it is a bit faster than the moto 360. I was just curious if ZW2 users have experienced more issues with it than it's worth.
I've had mine for about 2 weeks. Average 2 days battery with screen always on. No issues to speak of yet!
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I've had mine for about 2 weeks. Average 2 days battery with screen always on. No issues to speak of yet!
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are you making your own watch faces or getting them from the market? does the zw2 drain your phone battery any faster having to have bluetooth on all the time?
i'm currently using Pujie Black and Instaweather. haven't gotten into making my own aside from customizing Pujie. i never used BT prior to this but have notice no real effect on my Note 4.
Bought the original Moto 360 as soon as it was released. It was such a piece of junk I returned it within the week. The ZW2 is so much faster and better made... amazing they can offer this for under $150.
I bought my ZW2 over my Moto 360 Gen1, which I had for about 8 or 9 months. No regrets.
Hi everyone,
Question for you on this, which one would you suggest, by experience? I do understand both devices have minor differences, like the "correct" camera position at S7, 120Hz, but as well the poorly LCD screen on Tab S7.
As someone who owns a S4 Tab (which is very unpopular on XDA community overall), what would you suggest personally? I want to upgrade mostly due low RAM, bad placement for S-Pen, keyboard constant disconnect, but mostly due 0% of someone starting a LineageOS development (LineageOS GSI has several issues, and I'm not expert enough on Android development to start my own).
Seems like S5E and S6L has already lot of development around LineageOS, and is likely S6 and S7 tab could receive something as well.
As far I read most of QA comments, seems like most people owns a S7+ due better screen mostly, but personally is out my budget and too big from my perspective.
Many thanks!
If you want to know which tablet is the right for you:
You've give yourself the answer in the last sentence
The s7 has one of the best displays available, although it is not an OLED. I would not care about the OLED /LCD displayfight.
It's like the ultra highres and 120Hz discussion: most people love the crispness and fluety, not realizing both is deactivated due to performance or battery savings. Go in a shop and try it, you can deactivate it and see yourself. There even are people praising it in forums, not knowing the program they are using not even support it.
When it comes to professionalism you have to avoid OLED due to the lack of color calibration and color acurracy. That's the reason its a pure consumer thing. And for the latter, marketing always try to make things essentiall you actually do not need.
But as soon it comes to proffesionalis (this) android tablet is not for you at all. From an artist perspective major apps are missing (although getting better) and the s-pen technique is a big draw back, beside the form factor. Same for office work: Dex still is a pain, the office packages are working not like on a Desktop and yes: you'll hate the keyboard at the end of a working day (so use a standard BT one instead). Or even better: spend much more money and buy a surface PC.
From a consumer perspective OLED are great, love it on my mobile especially in pitch dark. But honestly: 99% of the time you're not realizing it and the battery saving bla bla is not worth the discussion. If I would have welcomed it on the s7: sure. But I would not have spend 100 € more for it.
Consider your use case. For a simple multimedia device: wait for the s7 light. If you need a device primary for note taking and some more sofisticated multimedia stuff, the s7/s7+ is for you. The RAM and CPU are great for painting (as long it's on concept /sketching level) and a good alround device on the go.
The s6 was out of focus for me due to: the pen form factor, the camara position, and especially not having an update option in 3 years. If you can deal with all: go for it.
To make it short: consider what you want. If the s7: wait for a good deal. In case you need 8GB of Ram and a bigger screen spend the extra money for the s7+.
Oh well broke my Pixel C Tablet today changing the battery . I been living with the Pixel C Tab and my Nexus 6 phone running LineageOS for years just looking for some feedback on what might be a fun and logical upgrade that should have good LineageOS Rom support going forward ?
Have s4 s6 and now s7+ only the people who compromised for the lcd s7 over the oled s7+ will tell you oled doesn't matter, just like tvs. Either get s6 or s7+ the oled is amazing.
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Have s4 s6 and now s7+ only the people who compromised for the lcd s7 over the oled s7+ will tell you oled doesn't matter, just like tvs. Either get s6 or s7+ the oled is amazing.
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Problem is no rom or LineageOS support for the Tab S7+ your on your own once the updates stop
Markeee said:
Problem is no rom or LineageOS support for the Tab S7+ your on your own once the updates stop
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By that time the s8 will be out and I'm sure there will be roms soon, but honestly very little need, these days I find very little need to root and only look for roms if I really need an OS update which hasn't happened since my old tab s 8.4 which is still going strong on lineage.
Don't get me wrong rooting and ROMing are great to have, but I find current Android customizable enough for most things and don't pick my devices based on that. I'd rather root my phone than my tab and I wouldn't sacrifice oled for root or roms
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By that time the s8 will be out and I'm sure there will be roms soon, but honestly very little need, these days I find very little need to root and only look for roms if I really need an OS update which hasn't happened since my old tab s 8.4 which is still going strong on lineage.
Don't get me wrong rooting and ROMing are great to have, but I find current Android customizable enough for most things and don't pick my devices based on that. I'd rather root my phone than my tab and I wouldn't sacrifice oled for root or roms
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Well said I would love to get the S7+ its the best out there now my first choose but at the end of the day its also important for me to have some good rom support and the fact that the the S7+ has absolutely none right now leaves me worried we may never see any materialize ?
So thinking maybe last years Tab S5e is the best possible compromise considering it has official LineageOS support and blessings its just missing the 120Hz display not quite as big and not as nice of a upgrade power wise.
Sucks I'm torn and can't decide ?
TAB S7 PLUS VS TAB S5e | PROS AND CONS
https://youtu.be/5qff9-2Yiw8
gottahavit said:
Have s4 s6 and now s7+ only the people who compromised for the lcd s7 over the oled s7+ will tell you oled doesn't matter, just like tvs. Either get s6 or s7+ the oled is amazing.
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Well, sorry no. Your marketing talk even is obsolete as Micro- and Q-LED is the new hype
To make it short.
For simple consumers: go to a shop and see yourself. If you like perfect blacks, oversatturation and high contrasts: go for OLEDs. You definitely will see the difference next to a s7.
If you would be in (photo-)graphics or arts on a professional level: you would not even ask that question. You would know that's OLEDS will never be an options (color accuracy, calibration, etc.).
Just keep in mind: OLEDs show the strongest burn-in. But: as long you do not work all day long with a single programm (office, photoshop, eclipse, etc.) or use it as a display device with areas showing almost static output (e.g. home automation at a wall, infotainment in cars), this will not be a problem. Typing this on a 3.5 year old galaxy s8, with still no real notable burn in. Only the color shifted over the years. But thats s.th. you can adjust for.
And: I would have taken the s7+, but the OLED is a no go for me.
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Well said I would love to get the S7+ its the best out there now my first choose but at the end of the day its also important for me to have some good rom support and the fact that the the S7+ has absolutely none right now leaves me worried we may never see any materialize ?
So thinking maybe last years Tab S5e is the best possible compromise considering it has official LineageOS support and blessings its just missing the 120Hz display not quite as big and not as nice of a upgrade power wise.
Sucks I'm torn and can't decide ?
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What's the reason you want to have good rom support?
Just wondering. Same for 120Hz: you know that apps have to support it specifically? Most don't, for obvious reasons...
One UI is a great enhancer when it comes to tablet support on Android. My pretty old Note 10.1 sucks without. You'll notice it, when missing.
The best option for me is a rooted s7 stock rom. Just kept it unrooted for guaranty reasons, in half a year... .
Best tablet UI but open for adjustment. Of course, you should not put your bank account on it. But frankly, all other features missing with root I would preferably have on my phone than this device.
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Well, sorry no. Your marketing talk even is obsolete as Micro- and Q-LED is the new hype
To make it short.
For simple consumers: go to a shop and see yourself. If you like perfect blacks, oversatturation and high contrasts: go for OLEDs. You definitely will see the difference next to a s7.
If you would be in (photo-)graphics or arts on a professional level: you would not even ask that question. You would know that's OLEDS will never be an options (color accuracy, calibration, etc.).
Just keep in mind: OLEDs show the strongest burn-in. But: as long you do not work all day long with a single programm (office, photoshop, eclipse, etc.) or use it as a display device with areas showing almost static output (e.g. home automation at a wall, infotainment in cars), this will not be a problem. Typing this on a 3.5 year old galaxy s8, with still no real notable burn in. Only the color shifted over the years. But thats s.th. you can adjust for.
And: I would have taken the s7+, but the OLED is a no go for me.
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What's the reason you want to have good rom support?
Just wondering. Same for 120Hz: you know that apps have to support it specifically? Most don't, for obvious reasons...
One UI is a great enhancer when it comes to tablet support on Android. My pretty old Note 10.1 sucks without. You'll notice it, when missing.
The best option for me is a rooted s7 stock rom. Just kept it unrooted for guaranty reasons, in half a year... .
Best tablet UI but open for adjustment. Of course, you should not put your bank account on it. But frankly, all other features missing with root I would preferably have on my phone than this device.
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Wow I hope you were joking about QLED/nanopixels being the best thing right now! You know that's just fake logos that say "we can't make OLEDs but we want you to think we do"?
As for color accuracy, I actually do a lot of drone footage and photo, but admittedly I'm no PRO and I don't edit on my tablet(I edit on my 28" 4k IPS HDR), but I did read the reviews and comparisons which put the S7+ above the S7 and the Ipad Pro when in Natural color mode. You can also calibrate yourself. I prefer the amoled for reviewing my video since most video is produced to HDR for display on an OLED TV. I find if it looks good on my tablet it will look close to the same on my LG OLED.
I guess it all depends what you want to do with the Tablet and what you are producing and for what target. I was not trying to say there is no place for the LCD(although I don't have one), just that some people on the forum are telling others not to worry the LCD is just as good as good as beautiful as AMOLED and that's just not true.
Also I have every Tab S Amoled made except the s5 and not one of them has Burnin or any significant loss of vibrancy. Personally if I couldn't deal with the 12" I would have stuck with my s6 over the s7 LCD.
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Wow I hope you were joking about QLED/nanopixels being the best thing right now! You know that's just fake logos that say "we can't make OLEDs but we want you to think we do"?
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Well... that's because Samsung does not sell QLED but half backed solutions only calling them QLED - there are even ads with references clarifying, what SAMSUNG means by "QLED".
I was referring to real quantum dot emitters, not having these color-offsets and color depended life time problems the (AM)OLED still has. Still hoping for next year...
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As for color accuracy, I actually do a lot of drone footage and photo, but admittedly I'm no PRO and I don't edit on my tablet(I edit on my 28" 4k IPS HDR), but I did read the reviews and comparisons which put the S7+ above the S7 and the Ipad Pro when in Natural color mode. You can also calibrate yourself. I prefer the amoled for reviewing my video since most video is produced to HDR for display on an OLED TV. I find if it looks good on my tablet it will look close to the same on my LG OLED....
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Well - there you got it. Everybody here replays this marketing bla bla from sellers and samsung or reviewers (most likely from YouTube) putting the AMOLED superior to the LCD.
Please do not feel offended, I do not try to argue with you. All I want to say is that the quality of a display is not defined by simple "blackness" and slangs like "vibrancy". Even the slang "Natural color" is a hoax - OLED just cannot produce them. Samsung (like LG, Sony, etc.) tries to manipulate it towards, and might get quite close, but after a while, colors shift away. A nightmare for people have to relay on color accuracy.
Same for their algorithm to reduce the burn-in effect. I also have an OLED (older than 3 years). No notable burn-in - but the price you pay is pixel shift and out-greying. If you are sensitive to one: OLED is not for you. If you don't care or not even notice it: great!
To make it short: It's hard to say in general, if the LCD of the s7 is worse compared to the s4/s6 and even the s7+ OLEDs. Best is to grep one and see if it fits you needs. For a LCD the s7 is really good and same goes for the s7+ as an AMOLED. Both (techniques) have their strengths but also weaknesses. I was rather happy, when I found the s7, as I do not have to spend my soul for an iPad Pro + I do not have to care about unexpected color reworks as soon as I switch back to my PC.
However, still hating Samsung for their crappy S-Pen technique... But well - you get what you pay for
Thanks for the replies I appreciate the discussion and feedback .
I'm coming from an old Pixel C Tablet I just broke the thing trying to replace the battery. That unit lost android update support years ago but managed to stay alive through roms and LineageOS which was nice I looked forward to kind of lived for those updates like most nerds otherwise I probably would of replaced it long ago. I'm still running with my Nexus 6 on LineageOS updates.
So I wasn't really even thinking about replacing it but now that it gone may as well have some fun get something new and considering I usually keep my **** so long like 5 yrs I may as well try get the latest and the greatest.
At first didn't know what to get but didn't take long to realize there's really no new android tablet options out except Samsung which kind of sucks coz rooting flashing Samsung bit more complicated not as straight up easy for me as dealing with the pixel which is super easy. With Samsung knox I have to re-learn that mess not looking forward to that and seems alot of people having issues dealing with it
Anyways I only really use the tablet for watching videos it will never leave my house leaning towards the S7+ just trying to snag a deal is all
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Well, sorry no. Your marketing talk even is obsolete as Micro- and Q-LED is the new hype
To make it short.
For simple consumers: go to a shop and see yourself. If you like perfect blacks, oversatturation and high contrasts: go for OLEDs. You definitely will see the difference next to a s7.
If you would be in (photo-)graphics or arts on a professional level: you would not even ask that question. You would know that's OLEDS will never be an options (color accuracy, calibration, etc.).
Just keep in mind: OLEDs show the strongest burn-in. But: as long you do not work all day long with a single programm (office, photoshop, eclipse, etc.) or use it as a display device with areas showing almost static output (e.g. home automation at a wall, infotainment in cars), this will not be a problem. Typing this on a 3.5 year old galaxy s8, with still no real notable burn in. Only the color shifted over the years. But thats s.th. you can adjust for.
And: I would have taken the s7+, but the OLED is a no go for me.
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What's the reason you want to have good rom support?
Just wondering. Same for 120Hz: you know that apps have to support it specifically? Most don't, for obvious reasons...
One UI is a great enhancer when it comes to tablet support on Android. My pretty old Note 10.1 sucks without. You'll notice it, when missing.
The best option for me is a rooted s7 stock rom. Just kept it unrooted for guaranty reasons, in half a year... .
Best tablet UI but open for adjustment. Of course, you should not put your bank account on it. But frankly, all other features missing with root I would preferably have on my phone than this device.
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@Markeee
Keep in mind that - unfortunately - the situation for android tablets is a bit different nowadays.
Almost all new tablet specific features come from Samsung (Dex, etc.). Google and the other brands dropped tablet support almost completely. That implies also lineageOS - relaying on google - will most likely not offer new tablet specific features in the future. Hence, putting a custom rom on it will result in a draw back compared to One UI.
The good: with a s7/s7+ you will get all the new tablet specific stuff for 3 years and be up to the notch. As Samsung still tries to catch up to Apple that's the best you can get.
The bad: after 3 years you most likely will been stucked - or forced to make the step back to linageOS if you want Android 14+. Samsung managed to make porting their One UI features quite difficult.
However, time will tell. If google rediscover their tablet love, being again the driving android force for tablets, this situation will be totally different in 3 years.
When it comes to custom roms and video watching only: all I'm talking about will not be such of an issue, as all the mentioned features are more in the direction of writing, drawing, UI-integration, etc.
However, keep in mind that Netflix and other streaming portals suppress usage with rooted devices. Here the Knox counter is a big problem you might come over (e.g. via Magisk), but that needed to be supported by s.o. . Time will tell if the community will do, or not.
Moreover, reconsider the s7/s7+ completely. Both are rather expensive and target people using the Pen heavily (e.g. drawing, painting). Here you still need the fastest processor, as mush Ram as possible and a digitizer - and you have to pay for it. Have you considered going with a tablet w/o S-Pen?
If the question is only the ease to put custom rom on: well I'm rather sure here you will find the first noteworthy solution. And: simplifications of that will come later. But for Custom rom support I am not so optimistic: most owner would probably think like me, that most (unofficial) linageOS ports will lack the tablet features One Ui offers. Hence consider rooting and flashing not worth the hazel...
For better or worse I just pulled the trigger and ordered the Tab S7+, 256GB, sometimes just want to say WTF least I was able to snag a deal $582.61 before tax's free shipping. I'm sure I won't use take advantage of the pen but still nice to have all these premium features for a change.
Spending extra will be negligible considering how long i plan on keeping this thing. Hopefully years down the road when support ends there will me some other options to keep this thing alive .
Here's the slickdeals link below still an active deal if anyone's interested
https://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=143059996&postcount=732
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@Markeee
Keep in mind that - unfortunately - the situation for android tablets is a bit different nowadays.
Almost all new tablet specific features come from Samsung (Dex, etc.). Google and the other brands dropped tablet support almost completely. That implies also lineageOS - relaying on google - will most likely not offer new tablet specific features in the future. Hence, putting a custom rom on it will result in a draw back compared to One UI.
The good: with a s7/s7+ you will get all the new tablet specific stuff for 3 years and be up to the notch. As Samsung still tries to catch up to Apple that's the best you can get.
The bad: after 3 years you most likely will been stucked - or forced to make the step back to linageOS if you want Android 14+. Samsung managed to make porting their One UI features quite difficult.
However, time will tell. If google rediscover their tablet love, being again the driving android force for tablets, this situation will be totally different in 3 years.
When it comes to custom roms and video watching only: all I'm talking about will not be such of an issue, as all the mentioned features are more in the direction of writing, drawing, UI-integration, etc.
However, keep in mind that Netflix and other streaming portals suppress usage with rooted devices. Here the Knox counter is a big problem you might come over (e.g. via Magisk), but that needed to be supported by s.o. . Time will tell if the community will do, or not.
Moreover, reconsider the s7/s7+ completely. Both are rather expensive and target people using the Pen heavily (e.g. drawing, painting). Here you still need the fastest processor, as mush Ram as possible and a digitizer - and you have to pay for it. Have you considered going with a tablet w/o S-Pen?
If the question is only the ease to put custom rom on: well I'm rather sure here you will find the first noteworthy solution. And: simplifications of that will come later. But for Custom rom support I am not so optimistic: most owner would probably think like me, that most (unofficial) linageOS ports will lack the tablet features One Ui offers. Hence consider rooting and flashing not worth the hazel...
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Hello Markeee
I am in a similar situation like you.
Fortunately my pixel C is still working.
Nevertheless I am starting looking for a replacement.
How do you like the Samsung so far?
Did you root it?
I am really sceptical bec of all that Samsung bloatware and this other Samsung stuff, as well as the lack of custom ROMs. The hardware is for sure much better...
My use cases are mostly watching videos, web surfing, emailing. I love the external keyboard for my pixel c, i wonder if there is something similar in the Samsung world...
Greetings from Vienna!
Markeee said:
For better or worse I just pulled the trigger and ordered the Tab S7+, 256GB, sometimes just want to say WTF least I was able to snag a deal $582.61 before tax's free shipping. I'm sure I won't use take advantage of the pen but still nice to have all these premium features for a change.
Spending extra will be negligible considering how long i plan on keeping this thing. Hopefully years down the road when support ends there will me some other options to keep this thing alive .
Here's the slickdeals link below still an active deal if anyone's interested
https://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=143059996&postcount=732
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From personal experience I find the screen on the Tab S7 to be brighter, more vibrant and with truer colors than on the Tab S6. I compared my S6 side by side with my wife's S7 while watching a video and the S7
's screen was much more pleasing to watch. The S6's screen was simply too dark so I lost detail in the shadows and the colors seemed muted even with the display set to Vibrant.
This sort of surprised me based on the comparison reviews I've seen that said the S6 had the better display.