Hey guys
So I finally bit the bullet and paid for a membership for a month at Sammobile - More or less because I'm unbearably impatient, and the idea of 15 kbps downloads makes me nauseous. I noticed, in the course of downloading the latest available firmware which until this point I had thought was going to be OB6, I noticed at the top of the list was the OF1 firmware!
Needless to say I was pretty excited I could now save myself flashing AND restoring through My FAVORITE Kies, or worse, the softare Verizon uses to repair the device. I've been a frequent reader for a good long while, and figured it was time to give back! And what better way to make your first post hookin' people up!? So I uploaded the file to google drive. EXCEPT that since I'm a "New User" I can't post said link.. So shoot me a message, and I'll be glad to shoot the link back to you.
Also, I figure since I do have 29 days of downloading, and not many devices to download for, if anyone has need for anything from that website, but don't have the means or motivation to shell out the dough to obtain it, HMU, and we'll see if I can't help a brotha out.
You can post an "almost link".
paste the URL as plain text, and convert the "http://" in the resulting string to something else e.g. "hxxp##".
The cleverer folks here will know how to cut-n-paste.
(You should probably also compute an MD5 hash of the file and post that too so that folks can verify they have an intact download)
I will take a link please
Mr.5hit5how said:
Hey guys
So I finally bit the bullet and paid for a membership for a month at Sammobile - More or less because I'm unbearably impatient, and the idea of 15 kbps downloads makes me nauseous. I noticed, in the course of downloading the latest available firmware which until this point I had thought was going to be OB6, I noticed at the top of the list was the OF1 firmware!
Needless to say I was pretty excited I could now save myself flashing AND restoring through My FAVORITE Kies, or worse, the softare Verizon uses to repair the device. I've been a frequent reader for a good long while, and figured it was time to give back! And what better way to make your first post hookin' people up!? So I uploaded the file to google drive. EXCEPT that since I'm a "New User" I can't post said link.. So shoot me a message, and I'll be glad to shoot the link back to you.
Also, I figure since I do have 29 days of downloading, and not many devices to download for, if anyone has need for anything from that website, but don't have the means or motivation to shell out the dough to obtain it, HMU, and we'll see if I can't help a brotha out.
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Awesome, would you mind sharing a link with me too?
Thank you!!
would definitely appreciate a link also, thank you.
Would really appreciate link for of1. Thanks!
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I know this is a long shot. But I still use my Note 3 as a music player so I can keep my S23 Ultra battery in better shape. Well I have been running resurrection remix Android 9 for the longest time and I decided to bump up to 10 but there are quite a few bugs in it so I had a backup and when I tried to restore it something failed and now every time I boot up it just takes me to download mode. So if anyone could provide a link to the OF1 firmware that would be great.
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Well, just about as soon as I download it from MyDroidWorld the link was dead. So... here's a torrent that I made that now has enough people that you should be able to download it as quickly as your connection lets you. If you have a torrent app, this will probably be the fastest way you can get the update.
SEE ATTACHED for the torrent which is placed in a ZIP file because XDA doesn't allow uploads with .torrent extensions.
If you can spare a little bandwidth, help seed the file for a little while. You can adjust the upload bandwidth to suit your connection. Even just 20k/up helps a lot.
I got it from the TBH app here is a link to GB prerooted http://www.mediafire.com/?w6m0x20iwx12sne
Edit: P3droid said he updated the file to fix the error so I also updated it. This is the updated verison. I sbf'd back reflashed and did not get the error this time so seems to be working correctly now.
Page not found, error 404. Update please? I think it would be best if someone would just post a torrent, then we'd have enough mirrors to spread around like butter.
are you sure? because it just worked for me. Well, I'm also seeding a torrent for that option.
Just tried it from another network. Check the Apache logs.
That may be my fault! I just linked to your download in my latest tutorial!!! Sorry if I am to blame!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=16156220#post16156220
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That may be my fault! I just linked to your download in my latest tutorial!!! Sorry if I am to blame!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=16156220#post16156220
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HAHA! I think I'm only allowed a limited number of connections. If you like, you can upload the torrent I made in your tutorial as a backup solution.
This really sucks. Downloaded the patch from MDW and it says installation aborted at the very end.
I'm downloading your torrent mirror as we speak, and I hope it works. My question: Do I install your torrent zip the same as any other zip?
the torrent is just in the zip file. just run it with your torrent software and download xda doesnt allow uploading of.torrent files
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This really sucks. Downloaded the patch from MDW and it says installation aborted at the very end.
I'm downloading your torrent mirror as we speak, and I hope it works. My question: Do I install your torrent zip the same as any other zip?
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It will say that at the end of the installation just reboot and it will be on GB. Mine did the same thing somewhere on here it says it will say that and it is ok.
For anyone else having problems downloading, the torrent is moving pretty good, just need more people in to help seed heavy. I'll be seeding for a couple weeks at full throttle if I can.
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HAHA! I think I'm only allowed a limited number of connections. If you like, you can upload the torrent I made in your tutorial as a backup solution.
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Thanks! I will... sorry about that... Should have asked first!!!
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That's right rexboe... I have a how-to in the dev section...
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You have made my day! Thanks x1000!
Just hit another location... Once I'm done, I'll be seeding this from five different connections. Good transfer rates will hit soon.
Awesome because it seems I'm still the only one that's seeding the entire thing still but that should change in a few minutes.
Seeding now!!! Hope it helps!!!
It's definitely helping. With the half a dozen seeds, people are getting the entire download in just a couple of minutes.
For me, torrents are preferred over everything else. Already seeded 5.86 ratio.
Wow, nice. I've only seeded a little over 2. Nice connection you got there. LOL. I just have my local DSL in a very small town.
Hey guys, as you can see I am new to the whole wide world of android. I have had an iPhone since 2007 and recently dropped my iPhone 4 on the pavement which completely wrecked the screen. I seized the opportunity to buy an android. I got this s2 for 350 on eBay.
Anyway... I have absolutely no idea what I am getting into here. I have watched a ton of videos and still am really lost. (Sadly)
I have this s2 at 4.0.3 and am completely lost when it comes to how to flash a rom. I get we have to use ODIN, Kies and your rom. Am I missing anything else?
I want to use this. galaxys2root. com/att-galaxy-s2/aokp-ics-rom-for-att-galaxy-s2-sgh-i777-best-ics-rom/ << I cannot post links so its just a space in between the .com
I have seen videos where I have to root the thing first- or will this do it for me? I have also seen "roms" that are 400 MB in size but this one I like its 134... Am i missing any files or something? I have done searching but I end up more confused than I started. If someone could give me a push in the right direction that would be a great help!
This is the first phone I am actually confused with... I am sure it is easy, just not for a guy who has had an iPhone and developed for them since then... (I am co founder of whited00r )
Start with the links in the sticky. Be sure to read them all.
You said your phone is already on 4.0.3, which is Ice Cream Sandwich (ICS). That means it's not stock (aka factory settings, out of the box, etc). I'd personally suggest after reading all the links, returning to stock and starting over from scratch as it's the best way to ensure you don't have any problems, especially since you don't really know what the previous owner did to your phone. The links for returning to stock and for flashing custom ROMs are also in the sticky. Please don't read just these links, read at least all of the other links posted there. That's just the starting point mind you, you should probably do more reading after that on stuff in the posts that you don't understand. I know this will take a lot of time, but it's for everyone's benefit that you fully understand everything you do to your phone before you do it.
I'll even help you out with a couple other links I think may be useful which aren't in the sticky.
ROM vs. Kernel
Odex vs. Deodex
Please hit my thanks button if I helped you. Good luck and welcome to the forums!
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Hey guys, as you can see I am new to the whole wide world of android. I have had an iPhone since 2007 and recently dropped my iPhone 4 on the pavement which completely wrecked the screen. I seized the opportunity to buy an android. I got this s2 for 350 on eBay.
Anyway... I have absolutely no idea what I am getting into here. I have watched a ton of videos and still am really lost. (Sadly)
I have this s2 at 4.0.3 and am completely lost when it comes to how to flash a rom. I get we have to use ODIN, Kies and your rom. Am I missing anything else?
I want to use this. galaxys2root. com/att-galaxy-s2/aokp-ics-rom-for-att-galaxy-s2-sgh-i777-best-ics-rom/ << I cannot post links so its just a space in between the .com
I have seen videos where I have to root the thing first- or will this do it for me? I have also seen "roms" that are 400 MB in size but this one I like its 134... Am i missing any files or something? I have done searching but I end up more confused than I started. If someone could give me a push in the right direction that would be a great help!
This is the first phone I am actually confused with... I am sure it is easy, just not for a guy who has had an iPhone and developed for them since then... (I am co founder of whited00r )
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From now on, don't watch any videos. They tend to be incomplete and usually outdated. Also, don't use any files or methods you find anywhere else besides XDA.
Like karate104 said, read the stickies at the top of the forums; they will tell you everything you need to know in detail. Read this one in particular. It has links to a lot of useful guides.
you also need to be wary of what you read and watch on gs2root. com
when i first started i used the rooting technique with the kernel from there and ended up with no wifi and ended up having to flash entropy's daily driver to recover
as the guys above said, read the stickies here and go over it a million times until it makes sense
flashing can open up loads of features, but you can very easily make your phone unusable (easily fixable once not hard bricked) but better avoid the trouble than finding a fix
Another victim on galaxys2root!
Sigh!
I'm trying to root my i717 Galaxy Note. I'm still on Gingerbread, so I have been trying to use Odin v.1.85, but it keeps failing. I have downloaded the latest USB drivers from Samsung, but nothing works. Any suggestions?
Go back to post 1 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1863995 and read those suggestions.
Edit: added link because somehow I posted in the wrong thread since the OP posted his issue in 3 different places.
comprehensive Odin trouble shooting guide....written by a very astute guy if ya ask me
Thank you. Yeah, I did post in more than one place. It was 2am and I was really frustrated with my phone and Odin.
I read that first link last night, but it didn't help. I'll read through that second link and see if any of that helps. Thanks again.
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Thank you. Yeah, I did post in more than one place. It was 2am and I was really frustrated with my phone and Odin.
I read that first link last night, but it didn't help. I'll read through that second link and see if any of that helps. Thanks again.
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not to discredit person posting first link or the author of the first link, but STUDACRIS's link sure seems a lot easier to understand and from my experience has always been sound advice.
im sure its just me, cause I always want to play things a little safer, whether its overkill or not. I don't understand why someone would make a seemingly large leap from GB to JB in one swoop, let alone rooting the GB before hand.
again, that's just me. if Samsung or carrier is providing the unrooted upgrade, I let them take care of that leap and they are responsible, then rooting is the only thing I have to worry about not screwing up. better safe than sorry. its a marathon not a sprint.
absolutely no disrespect meant. its your phone not mine.
best of luck to you my friend.
WOOO. After 3 days of playing around, I've got a fully rooted P769 running AntonX's CM10.1 with an unlocked bootloader. I got it 8/5/13 from Amazon for $150, and it's a freaking sweet phone for the price. I wanted a backup phone to play around with, and I couldn't have asked for a better device (well... debateable).
*As of 8/19/13, it's priced at $179 from Amazon versus $240 from T-Mobile.
Obviously, it goes without saying that this thread is completely unnecessary. This thread could be completely ignored by everyone else and I wouldn't mind, because it'll be my own one-stop shop for when I have to redo everything in the future.
I'm going to detail my process and experience, and link all the relevant files and images. I had to do the entire process with about 5 to 7 different XDA threads up and it got extremely annoying trying to maintain a semblance of order. I'll be linking to original threads/posts, but I fully intend on putting all the necessary information here in this post so people don't go thread hopping. Of course, credit will be given where credit is due, which is a lot of people.
Finally, it's nice to finally make an XDA post. This is my first! The community here is fantastic. Maybe someday down the road I'll fork a CM build or something, but for now I'm content.
DISCLAIMERS: I did not read all the XDA posts related to this device. Thus, I may have skipped over some super easy methods to doing things. This is just my own experience and interpretations of the posts I did read.
I am not the most experienced person when it comes to Android development. I'm just extremely organized and like clear and precise instructions. Because this post will be written from memory, I can't guarantee that there aren't any mistakes. I will, however, reinstall a stock ROM, unroot, etc, and do it all over again. I can't relock my bootloader, but I should still be able to test the whole 30 minute wait thing.
NOTE THAT I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO FOLLOW ANY INSTRUCTIONS WITHIN MY POST.
As I mentioned in the disclaimer, I may have missed out on some easier methods of rooting, recovery installing, etc. PLEASE provide different methods or links, simply so I can keep track of it and so other people who may be following my methods can live life easier.
Updates/Timeline:
8/19/13: Outlined the general process, went into specifics about the introduction/requirements and SIM unlock. Began discussing the bootloader.
8/8/13: As I am currently at work (taking a break), I won't be fully completing this post out until later this evening (EST) or weekend. I did, however, want to let it be known that I am available to help assist anyone that needs help via PM's or replies to this thread.
Process
Requirements
SIM Unlock
Bootloader Unlock
Rooting
Recovery Installation
ROM Install
Introductions/Requirements
These instructions are for the T-Mobile P769 variant of the LG Optimus L9. If you are not rocking this device, thanks for browsing my post anyways. I wholeheartedly recommend it if you're looking for an entry-level Android device with greater capabilities than standard prepaid smartphones. My device came stock with V20D.
I did everything with a 4GB microSD card installed. This is necessary for when we move apk's, ROMs, zips, and backups.
Make a backup of your ROM. If you aren't using the device as your backup/play-around like I am, please, please, please make a backup (for those of you with rooted and CWM already). For me, I'm fine re-installing stock ROMs and going through the process of unbricking. If you're on the stock ROM, there might be some apps available to back up settings that you can restore later on (someone please suggest something good if you're familiar, I've always used recovery backups).
I use Windows 7 for everything. This may be an absolute requirement, I'll have to check the application compatibility.
There will be programs and files that you need. I will list and link out in the next update. For now, the bootloader has links to required files.
SIM Unlock
SIM unlocking should be the first thing that you do if you anticipate using non-T-Mobile services. SIM unlocking only works on T-Mobile ROMs, though my eBay code worked via a Wind ROM as well.
Obtaining your unlock code:
If you bought your device directly from a T-Mobile store (may need your receipt), then you are entitled to the SIM unlock code directly from T-Mobile. Call customer service and mention going abroad on a trip, etc. Or just demand it. Be nice.
If you purchased it from a store like Walmart, Amazon, or Radioshack, then you will need to purchase your unlock code elsewhere. Please note, there is no "official" seller of such codes. However, codes are determined using algorithms that depend on your device's IMEI, so plenty of people provide them via eBay, websites, etc.
I can CONFIRM that the seller via this link provides working SIM unlock codes. Please note that it is NOT an eBay listing, despite being on eBay. It uses a frame within the eBay posting that redirects you to purchase directly through PayPal. I received both instructions and the code within 24 hours, as advertised.
Using your unlock code
The easiest way to use the code is to pop a spare micro-SIM from another carrier into your phone. When you attempt to use the phone, it'll prompt for a code. Input the code and it will confirm success.
The alternative method for those without a spare SIM card is to pull up the SIM unlock menu. Dial 2945#*769# from the dialer, then select Network Unlock. Input the code and it will confirm success.
Bootloader Unlock
Please note, that there are some details that I am somewhat fuzzy on (the exact version of the V20B ROM that I used, for example). I will go into as much detail (and confirm/edit them when I/others try it again).
The main source of headaches when playing with this device. I'm going to provide a general background and introduction on the process and provide important links. There's a lot of detail to go into this section that I won't be able to fully finish this for a day or so. But I can start pointing people in the right direction.
To learn about the KDZ flashing process until I fully explain it, visit @cmahendra’s excellent post on it. Please thank him.
The process I originally followed to unlock the bootloader was from this post. Make sure you thank @pinoyto.
My instructions for this will actually combine the both the KDZ and the bootloader posts/instructions into one. In order to provide the simplest and clearest instructions, I will type up the process tomorrow night while performing it on my phone. Again, I don’t want to misdirect people and have them viewing multiple pages in order to perform the process. So if you’d like to get started immediately, by all means follow the original instructions that are excellent.
Appreciations
Some quick thank yous until I can properly finish this thread:
@cmahendra: For filling my eyes and mind with your words the past 3 days. I think I've read all your threads on this phone now.
@pinoyto: For your post from March. I'm pretty sure you helped me unlock my bootloader. I need to redo your guide on my phone to confirm it.
@carloswii5: For your video and files. Obviously, I went at this like a noob first.
@Lelus: For being a HUGE part of the thanking chain. And your touch screen fix.
@AntonX: For your build of CM10.1. For an unofficial experimental/nightly, this build is FAST and STABLE.
I'll probably keep throwing in names as I finish this thread.
This isn't a bad phone to have if one has taken the plunge and root/unlock bootloader, or don't install many apps. Things don't get bad until space runs out lol.
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Sounds great! How's the battery life btw?
AntonX's CM10.1 makes a huge difference all around.
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Sounds great! How's the battery life btw?
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I'm in the process of restoring a stock ROM on it so I can carrier unlock the device and use my AT&T sim to test it. Unfortunately, until I get that wrapped up, I won't be able to comment on the battery life. It's been great so far, but the extent to which I'm using it is simply WiFi and the screen. I can say this though: I leave it on overnight uncharged, wifi on, with all my apps downloaded and syncing if necessary, and it drops about 5%. So idling for about 6-8 hours, those numbers aren't so bad.
Looking forward for your guide!
T-Mobile just tried to sell me this phone. I found your thread and went to Amazon. Thanks guy, you saved me 70 bucks and I'm sure the wife will love her new phone. I'm looking forward to your guide & for her to stop nagging about her old (first generation Samsung galaxy) phone (I'm sure there will be other things for her to move on to now.. lol).
Just so you know AntonX's CM10.1 doesn't have the space issue!! he found the solution so our phones see the sd card seamlessly as storage space on the phone and also with app2sd enabled so give it a try.
Very interested in your guide, hope you post it soon.
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I'm in the process of restoring a stock ROM on it so I can carrier unlock the device and use my AT&T sim to test it. Unfortunately, until I get that wrapped up, I won't be able to comment on the battery life. It's been great so far, but the extent to which I'm using it is simply WiFi and the screen. I can say this though: I leave it on overnight uncharged, wifi on, with all my apps downloaded and syncing if necessary, and it drops about 5%. So idling for about 6-8 hours, those numbers aren't so bad.
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I'm looking forward to your instructions. I am fed up with all the bloody forums and threads and out-dated and contradictory information, not to mention the appalling English, which often makes things very ambiguous and difficult to understand.
My USA T-Mobile LG Optimus L9 P769 is rooted (I used the very simple LGpwn.apk method) and I have also installed the ClockWorkMod (CWM) using the L9RecoveryInstaller APK (v1.5.0). My bootloader is still locked, though, so I am limited with what I can do. I have already SIM-unlocked it (that was the first thing I did, since I travel internationally).
What I really bought the phone for was to use as a portable hotspot. I live in Australia where, like most of the world, wireless tethering is FREE and a simple matter of ticking the ON box. I have used my jailbroken iPhone 5 as a portable hotspot on my USA T-Mobile SIM card before and if worked fine. But this Optimus L9 just won't let me tether successfully. Any of the apps in the play store that successfully set up a mobile hotspot are useless, because I simply get redirected to T-Mobile's info page telling me I need to pay for tethering.
So I am hoping a new ROM might be faster and also help me get around my tethering issues.
Once again, I'm looking forward to your guide
Really sorry about the delay in getting the guide up. My girlfriend just left for a 10 month teaching trip in Macau, so I've been spending time with her and handling some other things.
I'll be working on the guide tomorrow night, I have some free time.
I think I'll be doing a couple different things. From browsing around on the newer posts, there have been a few newer methods with regards to rooting and installing CWM/recoveries. I'll list out the exact steps I took (which honestly consisted of slightly more manual methods). In any case, it seems like unlocking the bootloader is the most difficult part at the moment. I will definitely elaborate on that part.
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Really sorry about the delay in getting the guide up. My girlfriend just left for a 10 month teaching trip in Macau, so I've been spending time with her and handling some other things.
I'll be working on the guide tomorrow night, I have some free time.
I think I'll be doing a couple different things. From browsing around on the newer posts, there have been a few newer methods with regards to rooting and installing CWM/recoveries. I'll list out the exact steps I took (which honestly consisted of slightly more manual methods). In any case, it seems like unlocking the bootloader is the most difficult part at the moment. I will definitely elaborate on that part.
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Thanks for the quick reply! 10 months is a long time - I hope you get the chance to go and visit her in Macau/Hong Kong
Yeah, some of the older methods for gaining root access were pretty time consuming and dangerous. Using the method of installing LGpwn.apk was soooo simple - any novice could do it. Same with getting CWM v6.? installed. Main issue for me is he locked bootloader. I'm looking forward to reading about that Cheers :good:
Finally someone is compiling a complete guide on getting CM on a p769 :good:.
I love my phone from a hardware perspective but don't like the T-Mobile stock rom. I tried getting CM 10.1 (or really any custom rom) onto the phone, but most threads I have read either are incomplete, outdated, and/or simply wrong. I ended up settling with rooting the phone, but I still am dying to get CM 10.1 on the phone.
Can't wait to see your guide . Best of luck!
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Thanks for the quick reply! 10 months is a long time - I hope you get the chance to go and visit her in Macau/Hong Kong
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Thanks! I'm planning on a trip during the Christmas holidays and at the end of her trip. It'll be tough, but there's so many ways to keep in touch today that we can actually have some fun with it.
I managed to get started on the post. My real life tendencies to blab on and on are starting to show. Heh.
Started talking about the bootloader. It'll be easiest to detail/list/number the process when I sit down with my phone some night and do it. For the time being, I've linked the original instructions I followed so people can get an idea of what's to come.
@queboy89 you really have your hands full with this one. Please include all of the things that can go wrong while flashing with R&D Tool and how to correct them.
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I've bricked my Samsung Galaxy Player 3.6 (YP-GS1), and was hoping to at least restore it to working order, but I can't find a copy of the I9000XXJVS.RAR file anywhere on the XDA forums or the internet. I'm hoping that I can use Odin and all of the files from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1259240 to unbrick it and get it back to working condition.
Thanks!
Jerry H.
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I've bricked my Samsung Galaxy Player 3.6 (YP-GS1), and was hoping to at least restore it to working order, but I can't find a copy of the I9000XXJVS.RAR file anywhere on the XDA forums or the internet. I'm hoping that I can use Odin and all of the files from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1259240 to unbrick it and get it back to working condition.
Thanks!
Jerry H.
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Those files are for the Galaxy S I9000. Unless you want to hard brick your phone, I'd suggest you to not flash them.
If you need only the /system files and not other partitions you can look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1864741 If you need other partitions a well there's a thread here, but unfortunately the links are down. So you need to ask someone with a 3.6 (US/INTL depending on your version) to pull it out of their device
So, "It's dead, Jim".
Given up, wrote it off, and now I'm shopping for something a little more recent by asking for an assist on reddit's Android forums. Yeah, it was probably all my fault, but even the "guaranteed" Froyo fix didn't work, so I'm moving on after wasting two weekends fiddling around with this thing. It's off to the landfill for this Samsung, and I'll be giving something else a shot!
Thanks for the xda link, but I'd been there and done that -- which is how I got into trouble in the first place.
Jerry (Always Rocket Surgery!) H.
PS: Last time I'll be posting here, after having to answer the ****in' captcha bull**** FOUR ****ING TIMES and then being forced to remove the ****ING LINK TO REDDIT. Jesus! Go **** yourselves, you paranoid ****in' bastards!
Yeah, and this stupid **** as well:
To prevent spam to the forums, new users must wait five minutes between posts. All new user accounts will be verified by moderators before this restriction is removed.
Wow. **** this crap! Too many ****in' hoops for too little reward.