The Note 7 has a better screen than the Note 5 and the S7 edge (and every other phone) in just about every category, apparently:
http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-note7-best-smartphone-display-708954/
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Thanks - not sure what happened but I reposted with a different article (same story).
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1000 nits? I kinda doubt that.
Galaxy Note 7 screen considered the best by DisplayMate
Seems that this isn't the same screen as the G7. Here is a portion of what DisplayMate said:
"It shouldn’t come as a surprise then that the upcoming Galaxy Note7 has surpassed the Galaxy S7 series to feature the best smartphone display available in the market right now. According to DisplayMate’s President Raymond Soneira, the Galaxy Note7’s display is so impressive that it’s almost futuristic:
Since the Note series generally leads in display technology, the Note 7 should really have been called the Note 8 so that its name will be in better sync with the future Galaxy S8.
The analysis shows that the Note7’s display outperformed the Note5 and the Galaxy S7 in almost every display lab test. With its maximum brightness of 1,000 nits, Note7 has the brightest smartphone display ever, and its reflectance measures at 4.6%, one of the lowest ever tested by DisplayMate."
Here is a link to the whole story: http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-note7-best-smartphone-display-708954/
i cant tell the difference or it is just some marketing bs
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i cant tell the difference or it is just some marketing bs
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I'm guessing your eyes are less reliable than their scientific tests. So the former, most likely. It's an independent study, not marketing from Samsung.
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I'm guessing your eyes are less reliable than their scientific tests. So the former, most likely. It's an independent study, not marketing from Samsung.
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i have both the s7 and the note 7 and there is no way to tell the difference in real world usage..you think they are gonna put the phones side by side and use their eyes to check which display is better? no human eye can spot the difference..im sure they use graphs, charts etc
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i have both the s7 and the note 7 and there is no way to tell the difference in real world usage..you think they are gonna put the phones side by side and use their eyes to check which display is better? no human eye can spot the difference..im sure they use graphs, charts etc
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That's interesting. The HDR thing alone would make a difference, I would think. And the brightness they made seem like a huge difference. Crazy.
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i have both the s7 and the note 7 and there is no way to tell the difference in real world usage..you think they are gonna put the phones side by side and use their eyes to check which display is better? no human eye can spot the difference..im sure they use graphs, charts etc
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Its actually an interesting read... I recommend it..at least skim it. A few take aways from it.
There are dual ambient sensors, front and back, to better approximate the needed screen brightness, and the formula that those 2 sensors goes with creates a more gentle pleasing transition. (personally I don't use auto, because if you move the phone over a little the screen changes brightness, even if the overall room hasn't change brightness, you are just casting a small shadow.
There is a learning auto setting for brightness, that's kinda cool. walk into a dark room and turn you brightness up instead of down... (ok, why?) it will learn over time and adjust up rather than down. It will make other auto adjustments as it learns how you like your screen. Awesome.
Brightness over 1000 nits... whatever, spec wise, but the comment that coupled with the lowest reflectivity, and the highest contrast levels, this is the best sunlight viewing screen ever made.... awesome.
As for the screen quality... if every device's screen is slightly better than the previous version, then over time you get huge increases in screen quality, and efficiency. This is definitely not the same screen as the s7, or the Note 5. Specs on the surface may line up, but they did more engineering on it than just plop an old screen into a new device.
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That's interesting. The HDR thing alone would make a difference, I would think. And the brightness they made seem like a huge difference. Crazy.
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HDR only plays a role when watching HDR video
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Same. I compared them side by side in Best Buy and the screens looked freaking identical in terms of brightness, white balance, color, everything. Maybe there are improvements, but if there are, they are too small to be noticeable without special testing equipment. With every new Samsung phone, DisplayMate says the screen is way better than the previous version, but honestly, Samsung's screens have hardly improved at all since the Note 4. I'm sure if you held a Note 4 and Note 7 side by side you could see some very minor differences, but if you disguised the phones and just looked at each screen seperately I don't think you could tell which is which.
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I wouldn't say it's an independent study. That would imply that Samsung and DisplayMate are not working together. DisplayMate makes money by helping companies calibrate their displays. Many people have suspected that DisplayMate actually has a role in the calibration of Samsung's displays. So if Samsung is one of DisplayMate's clients and Samsung is paying them, AND DisplayMate is actually testing the calibration that they themselves were responsible for, then they aren't exactly going to be unbiased and give themselves and their client a bad review.
Guys, if you actually look at the numbers DisplayMate posted and compare them to the Note 5 and S7, it becomes obvious that the Note 7 does NOT have a better screen. It is most likely the same screen with a slightly tweaked firmware that allows it to ramp up brightness a little bit more when only 1% of the screen is turned on. It's pure marketing trickery. Just look at these numbers I pulled from DisplayMate and then tell me how much better the Note 7 screen actually is (hint: it's not better):
Average Screen Reflectance
Note 5: 4.7%
Galaxy S7: 4.6%
Note 7: 4.6%
All three are basically the same and within the margin of error.
Measured Full Brightness - 100% Full Screen White
Note 5: 412 nits
Galaxy S7: 414 nits
Note 7: 418 nits
All three are basically the same and within the margin of error.
Measured Full Brightness - 50% Full Screen White
Note 5: 456 nits
Galaxy S7: 458 nits
Note 7: 495 nits
The Note 7 is ever so slightly brighter, but it probably isn’t noticeable.
Measured Auto Brightness - 100% Full Screen White, High Ambient Light
Note 5: 556 nits
Galaxy S7: 549 nits
Note 7: 569 nits
All three are basically the same and within the margin of error.
*Note: The 1048 nit brightness that is being quoted by various news outlets is with only 1% of the screen lit up. I didn’t show the 1% full white screen benchmarks because they are useless. How often is only 1% of your screen lit up? If you absolutely must do the comparison, the Note 5 and S7 reach 861 and 855 nits in the same useless scenario.
Color temperature in Basic / sRGB mode (closest to 6500K is best)
Note 5: 6588K
Galaxy S7: 6480K
Note 7: 6400K
All three are basically the same and within the margin of error, but the Note 7 is actually the worst here.
Wide Color gamut - Adaptive Display mode (larger % means it can display more colors)
Note 5: 134% sRGB
Galaxy S7: 131% sRGB
Note 7: 132% sRGB
All three are basically the same and within the margin of error, but the Note 5 is actually the best here.
Color Accuracy in Basic / sRGB mode (lower JNDC is more accurate)
Note 5: 1.4 JNDC
Galaxy S7: 1.5 JNDC
Note 7: 2.9 JNDC
The Note 5 and S7 are basically the same and within the margin of error, but the Note 7 is actually quite a bit LESS accurate, although you would be hard pressed to notice with the naked eye.
Relative Power Efficiency (50% Average Picture Level at 456 nits)
Note 5: 0.95 watts
S7: 0.80 watts
Note 7: 0.97 watts
The Note 5 and Note 7 are basically the same and within the margin of error, but the Note 7 nevertheless uses slightly MORE power and is a little less efficient. The S7 screen uses less power just because it’s smaller, not because it’s more efficient.
Where is the rear light sensor located that DM is talking about?
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Where is the rear light sensor located that DM is talking about?
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Most likely below the flash. Looks different from the Note5's
Here is a scratch test of the note 7 and it's bad.
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Here is a scratch test of the note 7 and it's bad.
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Wow, I hope the new Nexus phones don't have gorilla glass 5.
the note 5 was never released here so I can't compare, but comparing my note 4 with a display model note 7 (SM-N930X) at max "normal" brightness(so no Sun mode) the difference is quite noticeable.
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Here is a scratch test of the note 7 and it's bad.
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I planned to wait for the release of the GS4 active, because the original GS4 proved to be very fragile. I do not want to be forced to use a bulky case and the GS4 failed multiple drop tests when compared to the iPhone 5 and its predecessor, the Galaxy S3. According to the rumor mill, the GS4 active will be a inferior to the original GS4. With rumors floating around that it will only have a dual core processor and an 8 megapixel camera, I am not inclined to buy this phone. What are your thoughts? Do you believe that these rumors hold any truth?
Its not rumor. There has been a video posted of the phone. Those specs are true.
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I think the active is meant to be rugged and banged up a bit.... amazing specs isnt the market they are targeting.
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It's more like a rugged S3/S4 mix, if it were a true rugged S4 it would be without question the phone I'd get, but I prefer high-spec.
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It's more like a rugged S3/S4 mix, if it were a true rugged S4 it would be without question the phone I'd get, but I prefer high-spec.
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This is my way of thinking. The video leaked shows a dual-core, which is sad. I'd gladly buy the phone if it was basically an S4 with better bodywork.
Heck, I'd even buy it if it were waterproof =P
It's a shame, I was looking forward to this. Guess I'll just end up with a standard S4 and an Otterbox.
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Heck, I'd even buy it if it were waterproof =P
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By the way, it is waterproof
Disappointed that the specs for the "Active" phone are reduced from the S4. Not sure what to buy now.
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Water resistant. Not water proof
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Disappointed that the specs for the "Active" phone are reduced from the S4. Not sure what to buy now.
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I can't wait to see the S4 Active, my dad needs this phone lol.
I may be bashed for saying this but i don't understand why one would buy a high tech phone and then wanting it full protection. If if you buy this phone you should take care of it (I understand a drop may happen to anybody) but still...is like buying a ferrari and wanting to put rugged tires and take it to a rally race
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I may be bashed for saying this but i don't understand why one would buy a high tech phone and then wanting it full protection. If if you buy this phone you should take care of it (I understand a drop may happen to anybody) but still...is like buying a ferrari and wanting to put rugged tires and take it to a rally race
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People use their phones every day. Often times people need/want to use their phone in the rain, or perhaps it drops in the puddle, there's a hundred reasons why having a water resistant phone is a good thing for most people.
Saw the official announcement from Samsung on the S4 active. Specs look comparable to the S4 except for the camera. Im hoping the Active will be on Vz by July.
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This is my way of thinking.
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This is my way of thinking too
Wish the active had the same camera as the s4 :/
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Wish the active had the same camera as the s4 :/
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the camera is most likely (don't know for sure but suspecting...) BETTER than the S4.
I've read they increased S4 to 13mp without increasing sensors size.
You've all seen the threads on blurry pics at night, right? One reason why? 13 megapixels, same optics.
More megapixels needs more light. Same light, lower brightness for each pixel. Plus that's a huge file and I doubt the sharpness will really increase with extra megapixels on a phone camera.
I'd rather Samsung use its experience with cameras and optics to provide a REAL increase in image quality via bigger/better sensor, optical image stabilization, etc. Although I just read HDR video came to S4 which is pretty darn cool. And there will be S4 Zoom with an actual zoom lens, also darn cool. That's what I'm talking about. One other thing I wish all phones had was a friggin' lens cover for the camera. Just a little thing that would slide over, maybe not even mechanical, just a little door users could close over it or something. Or at the least I wish case manufacturers would include this, something that slid or buttoned over it. Now I have to use tape.
Anyway, bottom line -- I think the Active camera will be BETTER especially at night..
All specs are actually better. It has an LCD screen which will be much better for a lot of reasons. MUCH brighter, accurate color, no pentile, etc. Work under water, as well as the camera working under water, in the rain, etc. And my fav-- hard buttons.
I'm going to start a thread on Verizon forums on this and try to get in touch with their corporate people to see if I can convince them to bring the S4 Active to Verizon. If they come out with it, i'll buy it off contract in a second!!!!
There is so much misinformation in this post.
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More megapixels needs more light. Same light, lower brightness for each pixel. Plus that's a huge file and I doubt the sharpness will really increase with extra megapixels on a phone camera.
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Megapixel count has nothing to do with how much light they need. It's the sensor that determines how much light is needed. The reason some higher megapixel cameras look worse at night is with the ISO boost you get more grain that is more dispersed across the greater pixel count.
The most important factor in low light performance is sensor size.
And yes, sharpness will absolutely increase with 13mp vs. 8. You have 50% more detail. Keep in mind this really only matters if you are blowing up images on PRINT (it own't make a difference on a 1080p TV since a 2MP image produces a 1920x1080 image, appx.) or if you happen to have a 4k TV
Anyway, bottom line -- I think the Active camera will be BETTER especially at night..
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It won't be. The S4 has a better camera, period. The S4 Active uses the same camera as on the Galaxy S3 which is a very good camera, but not as good as that on the S4. From what I have read, they are having supply issues with the S4 camera and want to keep their supply available to build into regular S4's.
It has an LCD screen which will be much better for a lot of reasons. MUCH brighter, accurate color, no pentile, etc. Work under water, as well as the camera working under water, in the rain, etc.
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Brightness is better but the contrast ratio isn't as good and the blacks aren't as good. This is not a pure win, it's going to be subjective. AMOLED will also have better battery life.
I'm going to start a thread on Verizon forums on this and try to get in touch with their corporate people to see if I can convince them to bring the S4 Active to Verizon. If they come out with it, i'll buy it off contract in a second!!!!
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I think it looks like a great phone. I don't know if it's more rugger in terms of drop capabilities - but the waterproof is very cool. I am an avid skier and would love a waterproof phone. Even to use a phone in the rain without worrying about it is nice.
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There is so much misinformation in this post.
Megapixel count has nothing to do with how much light they need. It's the sensor that determines how much light is needed. The reason some higher megapixel cameras look worse at night is with the ISO boost you get more grain that is more dispersed across the greater pixel count.
The most important factor in low light performance is sensor size.
And yes, sharpness will absolutely increase with 13mp vs. 8. You have 50% more detail. Keep in mind this really only matters if you are blowing up images on PRINT (it own't make a difference on a 1080p TV since a 2MP image produces a 1920x1080 image, appx.) or if you happen to have a 4k TV
It won't be. The S4 has a better camera, period. The S4 Active uses the same camera as on the Galaxy S3 which is a very good camera, but not as good as that on the S4. From what I have read, they are having supply issues with the S4 camera and want to keep their supply available to build into regular S4's.
Brightness is better but the contrast ratio isn't as good and the blacks aren't as good. This is not a pure win, it's going to be subjective. AMOLED will also have better battery life.
I think it looks like a great phone. I don't know if it's more rugger in terms of drop capabilities - but the waterproof is very cool. I am an avid skier and would love a waterproof phone. Even to use a phone in the rain without worrying about it is nice.
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While you're right in most of what you've said, the way you explained it would make the average user think in blanket terms. Higher megapixel count *does*, in fact, require more light to achieve the same results (in terms of stops of light). The larger the sensor, the less light needed to perfectly meter the shot...but with the same size sensor, the higher megapixel sensor will require more light. That part was not incorrect.
In terms of the actual sensor in the Active, nobody knows what it is. You can't say "it's the sensor from the S3", because not even the review sites have any idea at this point. All that we know is that the Active will have an 8MP sensor...assuming that the sensor is the same size as the one in the S4 (there's no reason not to), it potentially could take better shots. Again, that assumes they won't just switch to a smaller 8MP sensor...but if they don't then this thing could be a great camera for low-light shots, since it'll have wonderful sensor pixel density.
I agree with you on the screen. All other factors aside, I'd rather have an LCD than AMOLED. Being able to see the screen during the daytime on an AMOLED is borderline impossible. Yes, the blacks are a little brighter and the contrast is minutely lower...but AMOLED also has its own share of negatives -- the primary being that the saturation is blown through the roof on most of them, completely destroying color balance and realism in pictures.
To the last point...the biggest thing about this phone is that you just don't have to worry about it as much. While most phones today could be used in the rain without issue (seriously...devices today are made to be pretty resilient on their own), this thing could be used in a downpour. It's less important for when you're actually talking on it and more so when it might be in your pocket and it's being covered in water. With a waterproof device, getting caught in a rainstorm isn't as big a deal because the phone won't have a problem with it. That's *HUGE*.
As long as the screen doesn't look like the one on the xperia z from the waterproofing...
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i planned to wait for the release of the gs4 active, because the original gs4 proved to be very fragile. I do not want to be forced to use a bulky case and the gs4 failed multiple drop tests when compared to the iphone 5 and its predecessor, the galaxy s3. According to the rumor mill, the gs4 active will be a inferior to the original gs4. With rumors floating around that it will only have a dual core processor and an 8 megapixel camera, i am not inclined to buy this phone. What are your thoughts? Do you believe that these rumors hold any truth?
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Im thinking of using the new easy pay program to get a note 3 but other than the extra gig of ram i dont see much of a spec bump. Is it worth it??
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Im thinking of using the new easy pay program to get a note 3 but other than the extra gig of ram i dont see much of a spec bump. Is it worth it??
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At first, I didn't think so either. Then I played with one, held it, saw the screen... I read the specs again...
Full disclosure: I upgrade a new device once a year, usually at full price. Because I can, and it's my "hobby" that I allow myself a good expenditure on. (and being a father means that I don't get many of those.)
The cpu/gpu is a fantastic combo, slick as deer snot on a doorknob. This thing never stutters on anything. The extra gig of ram really is a contributing factor here.
I still own my Note2, and just for fun I compare screens. World of difference. No joke.
In all, there are a bunch of small things, changes that make this an overall superior device. Everything from the specs to the design to the pen to sensors...
That being said, the Note2 is an awesome device, will be functional for quite some time, it is/was a powerhouse.
And the dev section over at the note2 forum is Filled with awesome. We're (at this point) a smaller community, but several respected and proven devs.
If the cost is a real life concern, hold off. You don't "need" the Note3. But believe me, you want it.
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I had the n3 and s4 previously. N3 has bigger 1080p screen, more ram, more internal memory(32gb), faster processor...it is worth it IMO.
I upgraded from the note 2 to the note 3, it's everything to note 2 should have been. Plainly put, it's just better. Any of the tiny bit of lag you had a note 2 is non existant on the note 3. If you're in the market for one, don't hold back. Then, by the time the note 4 comes out, you can get one for a subsidized price.
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I upgraded from note 2 to note 3 (put the note 2 on my boost account gave my pop y boost s3)
the reasons I upgraded
More internal memory. faster 1080p panel! larger screen. improved pen
and the big one for me. 4k video record.
besides the 4k video record I consider the camera to be a downgrade and its very annoying. pictures don't "seem" as clear on close inspection (nicely lit pictures are fine) poorer low light performance and the big one for me. lower dynamic range which is a real problem in high contrast lighting situations (such as backlit by the sun etc..)
not enough to make me hate it but enough to miss my Note 2. (I take a LOT of pictures when both)
not enough to make me regret the upgrade. its overall much better in every other way. good upgrade.
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I upgraded from note 2 to note 3 (put the note 2 on my boost account gave my pop y boost s3)
the reasons I upgraded
More internal memory. faster 1080p panel! larger screen. improved pen
and the big one for me. 4k video record.
besides the 4k video record I consider the camera to be a downgrade and its very annoying. pictures don't "seem" as clear on close inspection (nicely lit pictures are fine) poorer low light performance and the big one for me. lower dynamic range which is a real problem in high contrast lighting situations (such as backlit by the sun etc..)
not enough to make me hate it but enough to miss my Note 2. (I take a LOT of pictures when both)
not enough to make me regret the upgrade. its overall much better in every other way. good upgrade.
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Yea the cam sucks at close range while trying to take a clear pic and the lights
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Yea the cam sucks at close range while trying to take a clear pic and the lights
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Have you guys dug around in the settings menu? I know a little about photography (I use my DSLR for anything serious), but if you select some of the picture profiles and turn off digital image stabilization, have a look at the EXIF info. The low light shots can be slightly improved, and the aggressive noise adjustments the jpg engine uses can be tamed to some extent. It's a very good sensor, let down by some ham-fisted software after it comes off the sensor. It's not ideal, but it can be remedied to some extent.
The two scenarios that the software likes to aggressively tackle are low light and strong lighting contrasts. Samsung could fix this, and I'm surprised they haven't, as some of their digital cameras produce very good jpg and raw files.
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Have you guys dug around in the settings menu? I know a little about photography (I use my DSLR for anything serious), but if you select some of the picture profiles and turn off digital image stabilization, have a look at the EXIF info. The low light shots can be slightly improved, and the aggressive noise adjustments the jpg engine uses can be tamed to some extent. It's a very good sensor, let down by some ham-fisted software after it comes off the sensor. It's not ideal, but it can be remedied to some extent.
The two scenarios that the software likes to aggressively tackle are low light and strong lighting contrasts. Samsung could fix this, and I'm surprised they haven't, as some of their digital cameras produce very good jpg and raw files.
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Hopefully the next update will fix this..and the dumb transition animation scale setting going back to x1 on developer mode lol
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The note 3 also has a newer CPU and GPU than the note 2, and the note 3's clock speed is up to 2.23ghz. The note 2 is at 1.7ghz I think. Plus the larger screen, better S Pen, newest hardware, high clock speeds, and I read that the note 3 scored 16,000 points higher in Antuntu (I think that's how it's spelled) than the HTC One Max. It's pure awesomeness, lol...
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The Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge has a crazy crisp display. Just kidding, this is automated text so who knows if this screen is any good. So, you be the judge! A higher rating indicates that it's extremely sharp and clear, and that you cannot see pixels with your naked eye.
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Even at QHD I can see the weird rainbow-sh look in the display. AMOLEDs with pentile pattern look worse than something like IPS at the same resolution.
Im not sure if it's because of the curves or the QHD but the screen looks AMAZING. Great contrast between whites and blacks and so crisp for web browsing.
Definitely one of the best screens available in smartphones. WOW effect is still present for me.
I think the edges ruin the screen for me. If the S7 had been larger I wouldn't have gotten the edge.
I say this as a previous Note 7 owner. The Note 7 edge wasn't so steep and didn't blur out text/pictures that go over the edge anywhere near as bad.
I will gladly buy an S8 edge outright if it holds the design of the Note 7's edge.
Believe that IPS screens have more definition.
Not a bad screen, but if I compare my iPhone 6s Plus between this S7 Edge, iPhone looks more clear.
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Believe that IPS screens have more definition.
Not a bad screen, but if I compare my iPhone 6s Plus between this S7 Edge, iPhone looks more clear.
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I personally don't think the clarity is any better, but the colors are far more realistic which may be what causes that thought. While the S7E is better than previous samsung phones I've had, their colors are insanely over saturated. That just is a samsung thing in general. Their TVs are the same way. Most of the stock adjustments are horrible and I could never own one without it needing calibrated.
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I personally don't think the clarity is any better, but the colors are far more realistic which may be what causes that thought. While the S7E is better than previous samsung phones I've had, their colors are insanely over saturated. That just is a samsung thing in general. Their TVs are the same way. Most of the stock adjustments are horrible and I could never own one without it needing calibrated.
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I personally don't think the clarity is any better, but the colors are far more realistic which may be what causes that thought. While the S7E is better than previous samsung phones I've had, their colors are insanely over saturated. That just is a samsung thing in general. Their TVs are the same way. Most of the stock adjustments are horrible and I could never own one without it needing calibrated.
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I do know about saturation on AmoLed screens. I´m actually comparing both phones right now, and looking closely to them, I can swear iPhone has more like definition, despite of resolution on S7E.
You are right about TVs, their colors are too much strong for me, thats why I prefer LG, curved screens are insane.
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Yeah, it doesn't come close regardless of those settings to the more realistic IPS display. I do blame Samsung, I think the displays are capable of realistic colors, but samsung is at fault for their love of over saturation.
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I do know about saturation on AmoLed screens. I´m actually comparing both phones right now, and looking closely to them, I can swear iPhone has more like definition, despite of resolution on S7E.
You are right about TVs, their colors are too much strong for me, thats why I prefer LG, curved screens are insane.
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Do you have the phone set to WQHD? I was comparing mine to my dads Iphone 6S Plus last night and couldn't tell a difference minus the heavy color saturation. I started using some B&W images to compare to try and remove the color problem. Tried to pick some pictures that were more on the W end than the B end to keep it relatively fair. Used some rather large pictures, larger than either display can show, which also plays a role in which compresses better. WQHD is 2560X1440 and the 6S Plus is 1920X1080. I did not compare two 1080P images and so the Iphone may win here. I can't say for sure.
Now if you were to ask me to compare my old Note 3/4 to the Iphone 6 Plus at the time, I would 100% agree with you.
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Yeah, it doesn't come close regardless of those settings to the more realistic IPS display. I do blame Samsung, I think the displays are capable of realistic colors, but samsung is at fault for their love of over saturation.
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This article seems to say otherwise. http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S7_ShootOut_1.htm
nosympathy said:
Yeah, it doesn't come close regardless of those settings to the more realistic IPS display. I do blame Samsung, I think the displays are capable of realistic colors, but samsung is at fault for their love of over saturation.
Do you have the phone set to WQHD? I was comparing mine to my dads Iphone 6S Plus last night and couldn't tell a difference minus the heavy color saturation. I started using some B&W images to compare to try and remove the color problem. Tried to pick some pictures that were more on the W end than the B end to keep it relatively fair. Used some rather large pictures, larger than either display can show, which also plays a role in which compresses better. WQHD is 2560X1440 and the 6S Plus is 1920X1080. I did not compare two 1080P images and so the Iphone may win here. I can't say for sure.
Now if you were to ask me to compare my old Note 3/4 to the Iphone 6 Plus at the time, I would 100% agree with you.
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Yes, on WQHD, on 1080p doesn't have any chance to fight.
I am not sure what it is, just feeling more satisfied with 6s Plus. I have played with Settings on screen for S7E, but it's not close. It may be that I've used my 6s plus for a year and I'm new with the S7E, got used to ips.
Anyhow, I feel same as you with saturation. Samsung could do it better.
I used to own an Iphone 6s and the difference in screen quality is huge.I love my s7 edge!
I really like my S7e in every way but an Iphone 7 plus display looks better to me.
Doesn't really bother me though.
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This article seems to say otherwise. http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S7_ShootOut_1.htm
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says exactly what I am saying...
Screens fine, but over saturated to hell and back. Yes it has a color management to help, but it can't fix horribly handled saturation by Samsung.
"As expected the Galaxy S7 OLED spectra are relatively narrow with deep notches between the primaries, which results in highly saturated colors that are adjusted with display Color Management to improve image color accuracy"
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says exactly what I am saying...
Screens fine, but over saturated to hell and back. Yes it has a color management to help, but it can't fix horribly handled saturation by Samsung.
"As expected the Galaxy S7 OLED spectra are relatively narrow with deep notches between the primaries, which results in highly saturated colors that are adjusted with display Color Management to improve image color accuracy"
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According to the article from DisplayMate, the the average color error (from sRGB) of the S7 Edge is 1.5 JNCD and broke the previous record for color accuracy. I see no evidence that Samsung was unable to properly calibrate the S7 Edge display in Color Management, as it had the least average color error for smartphone displays at the time of review.
kinda disappointed with whiteness of the screen
my opx and oppo f1 s have much whiter screen.this one is yellowish. any tweaks suggested?
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According to the article from DisplayMate, the the average color error (from sRGB) of the S7 Edge is 1.5 JNCD and broke the previous record for color accuracy. I see no evidence that Samsung was unable to properly calibrate the S7 Edge display in Color Management, as it had the least average color error for smartphone displays at the time of review.
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I once bought a Pioneer Kuro 50" Plasma TV. It was, at the time, heralded as the most accurate set available. Display Mate and others did their tests etc and several AV mags used the TV as a reference. It cost me £2700.
I sold it at a £900 loss 6 months later.
Never got on with it and honestly never understood what all the buzz was about. Whilst blacks were deep whites looked ... not white. Worse, in scenes with a lot of white content the brightness dimmed further. The thing also buzzed in tune with brightness levels.
The test reports didn't or hardly did touch on these well known problems often discussed on owner forums.
Moral ... don't believe everything you read.
I also feel that for me a good LCD still has the upper hand in naturalness picture wise overall compared to Amoled which, in comparison, seems over saturated. (I use basic mode and an app called Screen balance)
Other than that, I think the S7E is a good device and I probably will use it another year.
My next phone will likely have an LCD display though unless Samsung change their Amoleds in some ways (or introduce more versatile screen adjustments)
Saturation levels may well also depend on the resolution
If every pixel is used you likely get more Saturation. In Nougat you can lower resolution to HD. I haven't updated yet as I want more S7e user feedback on A7 (I have exceptional battery life on MM and no issues).
I would be interested to hear if anyone noticed less Saturation with reduced resolution, ideally backed up by measurements.
I can't see the differents between FHD and 2k with my eyes
I will openly admit that as a fan of AMOLED displays, I love the "oversaturated" colors and "better than life" images they facilitate. Of course there are people who prefer LCDs and people who are color-accuracy purists, and I respect their differing preferences. With that said, I want to offer some comments about the Galaxy Note 7's display, and see if other people are having the same thoughts. For reference, mine arrived on Tuesday of this week so I've had it for roughly two days now.
The sAMOLED panel on the phone, or at least the phone I have, is a horrid disappointment. The first thing I do when getting a new Samsung phone (which for various reasons is basically every time a new one releases) is turn the Display Mode to "AMOLED Cinema". Until the Note 7, it had been the most intense, color saturated setting option. With the Note 7, it looks awful. The colors are washed out and "dull" to the point where I almost wondered if there is a calibration issue. Oddly, the Automatic mode seems to be the only way to get colors remotely saturated to the point of which I prefer.
Along with the Note 7, I am currently using a Nexus 6P. The display on the 6P is, for my personal preferences, far better than that on the Note 7. I have the same wallpaper on both, the same icon set up, and yet the 6P's colors look way more intense.
Has anyone else noticed this? In particular, people who have owned the Galaxy S7 Edge, the Galaxy Note 5, and the Galaxy S6 Edge+? Could it be that my device has a problem with the panel?
I used the S7 Edge for about 4 months and at no point did it have the color "problems" that I am experiencing with the Note 7. Mind you the smaller, standard Galaxy S7 looked more vibrant, but this was attributed to the display being that much smaller.
Yes, I get the idea that Samsung is trying to make the displays more color accurate and whatnot, but in all honesty, should the ultimate goal be to make them as close to LCD color calibration as possible? Is that what people would want?
If this is where Samsung is going with future products, I must admit I'm not happy at all. Part of the reason I like the Galaxy series has always been their super saturated situation. The Note 7 is now the first product where I have, from the very first minutes with the phone, been unhappy with the display.
Any thoughts?
TokyoGuy said:
I will openly admit that as a fan of AMOLED displays, I love the "oversaturated" colors and "better than life" images they facilitate. Of course there are people who prefer LCDs and people who are color-accuracy purists, and I respect their differing preferences. With that said, I want to offer some comments about the Galaxy Note 7's display, and see if other people are having the same thoughts. For reference, mine arrived on Tuesday of this week so I've had it for roughly two days now.
The sAMOLED panel on the phone, or at least the phone I have, is a horrid disappointment. The first thing I do when getting a new Samsung phone (which for various reasons is basically every time a new one releases) is turn the Display Mode to "AMOLED Cinema". Until the Note 7, it had been the most intense, color saturated setting option. With the Note 7, it looks awful. The colors are washed out and "dull" to the point where I almost wondered if there is a calibration issue. Oddly, the Automatic mode seems to be the only way to get colors remotely saturated to the point of which I prefer.
Along with the Note 7, I am currently using a Nexus 6P. The display on the 6P is, for my personal preferences, far better than that on the Note 7. I have the same wallpaper on both, the same icon set up, and yet the 6P's colors look way more intense.
Has anyone else noticed this? In particular, people who have owned the Galaxy S7 Edge, the Galaxy Note 5, and the Galaxy S6 Edge+? Could it be that my device has a problem with the panel?
I used the S7 Edge for about 4 months and at no point did it have the color "problems" that I am experiencing with the Note 7. Mind you the smaller, standard Galaxy S7 looked more vibrant, but this was attributed to the display being that much smaller.
Yes, I get the idea that Samsung is trying to make the displays more color accurate and whatnot, but in all honesty, should the ultimate goal be to make them as close to LCD color calibration as possible? Is that what people would want?
If this is where Samsung is going with future products, I must admit I'm not happy at all. Part of the reason I like the Galaxy series has always been their super saturated situation. The Note 7 is now the first product where I have, from the very first minutes with the phone, been unhappy with the display.
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I also heard about this lowered saturation on a YouTube review video recently, so it looks like Samsung has responded to the stupid complaints about the over saturation. I am on your side here as I love the over saturation, it is fundamentally why I go for Samsung phones overall. Those that complain are too dumb or too lazy to go and change the levels in settings. So Samsung has helped quell the moaners.
I am waiting for mine to arrive on Tuesday and I will report back here. I hope it isn't too noticeable as I will be bitterly disappointed.
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I am in the 'other' camp and much prefer a more natural picture, close to SRGB. Even then I use SCREEN BALANCE (app store) to very slightly change screen tint to a more blue'ish hue to get white whites.
My gf has a 3 series samsung and the colours are imho truly awful with their over emphasised vibrancy.
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I am in the 'other' camp and much prefer a more natural picture, close to SRGB. Even then I use SCREEN BALANCE (app store) to very slightly change screen tint to a more blue'ish hue to get white whites.
My gf has a 3 series samsung and the colours are imho truly awful with their over emphasised vibrancy.
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I think the S3 is not the best phone to compare it to. Back then the displays were really off balance. But I respect your preference for a more natural look but surely we need the options for either. Can the SCREEN BALANCE app you mentioned be used to saturate the colours at all? And does it interfere with the screen overlay issue when setting permissions for other apps?
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I also heard about this lowered saturation on a YouTube review video recently, so it looks like Samsung has responded to the stupid complaints about the over saturation. I am on your side here as I love the over saturation, it is fundamentally why I go for Samsung phones overall. Those that complain are too dumb or too lazy to go and change the levels in settings. So Samsung has helped quell the moaners.
I am waiting for mine to arrive on Tuesday and I will report back here. I hope it isn't too noticeable as I will be bitterly disappointed.
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I suspect you will be disappointed. I am literally, at this point, going back to the Nexus 6P constantly for web browsing and YouTube.
You are insane. Yes, Samsung changed the screen modes for the BETTER.
Basic = sRGB = most consumer content.
Photo = Adobe RGB = pro photos
Cinema = DCI-P3 = film making standard
Adaptive = oversaturated, cold white point that some people like yourself prefer.
Cinema used to be the oversaturated setting. Now it is adaptive display. If that isn't saturated enough for you, get your eyes checked dude. Beyond that point, you are absllutely making everything completely unrealistic. I don't like "washed out" aka accurate colors either, but I don't like colors that destroy the image. The 6P out of the box is too saturated. I have to tone that down slightly to match the Cinema mode from Samsung.
And people... STOP SAYING LCDS ARE FOR COLOR ELITISTS AND OLED IS OVERSATURATED. That is a crock of ****. The only reason Samsung made their first OLEDs oversaturated were to get people's attention. When using a calibrated setting, OLED is superior to LCD in EVERY WAY. Infinite contrast is A HUGE factor for image quality. LCDs suck. Period. The only advantage they have is brightness in TVs, which could change as tech matures (but Samsung has brighter OLED phone panels than any LCD competitor), and producing a deeper red color with quantum dot. That's it.
This is absolutely the best phone display ever made. Period.
Seems like people can find something to complain about. Now if someone has a truly faulty display, then that is reasonable to gripe about. But I can say my N7 has BY FAR the best display of any mobile device I have ever owned (Owned note's for 4 years now). This display is light years better than what my N4 has. The whites are far whiter, the colors are far better. It is saturated perfectly (I am using adaptive) and the brightness is awesome. The N7's display has already been shown to be by far the best display on any mobile device to date, and by a fairly wide margin in many of the different testing criteria. IDK what to say to someone who actually doesn't like the N7's display. Except maybe you have a faulty display. Each to their own, but it is pretty clear cut after extensive testing by displaymate (I think that's the site) that the N7 has the worlds best smartphone display. Second best was the S7 edge. I will say that I am not overly fond of the curved edges, but that would be my only gripe and has nothing to do with the actual display/brightness/colors/sharpness etc.
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I also heard about this lowered saturation on a YouTube review video recently, so it looks like Samsung has responded to the stupid complaints about the over saturation. I am on your side here as I love the over saturation, it is fundamentally why I go for Samsung phones overall. Those that complain are too dumb or too lazy to go and change the levels in settings. So Samsung has helped quell the moaners.
I am waiting for mine to arrive on Tuesday and I will report back here. I hope it isn't too noticeable as I will be bitterly disappointed.
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I noticed this the other day when comparing to my note 4 watching 4k videos. Videos were a little washed out and it didn't pop on my note 7. Details and contrast were missing. So I start looking in to the settings and in the Advanced features I find "Video enhancer" all the way on the bottom. I saw that it was ON and it makes the sample image brighter. OFF caused it to get darker. So I decided to turn it off and watched the same 4k video. Now my note 7 is exactly like my note 4. Colors popped, more contrast, more details. I assume because turning it off did not allow darker colors to get brighter and blended less with lighter colors of the same shade? Anyway, try it out yourself when you get your phone. I am leaving this setting off.
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You are insane. Yes, Samsung changed the screen modes for the BETTER.
Basic = sRGB = most consumer content.
Photo = Adobe RGB = pro photos
Cinema = DCI-P3 = film making standard
Adaptive = oversaturated, cold white point that some people like yourself prefer.
Cinema used to be the oversaturated setting. Now it is adaptive display. If that isn't saturated enough for you, get your eyes checked dude. Beyond that point, you are absllutely making everything completely unrealistic. I don't like "washed out" aka accurate colors either, but I don't like colors that destroy the image. The 6P out of the box is too saturated. I have to tone that down slightly to match the Cinema mode from Samsung.
And people... STOP SAYING LCDS ARE FOR COLOR ELITISTS AND OLED IS OVERSATURATED. That is a crock of ****. The only reason Samsung made their first OLEDs oversaturated were to get people's attention. When using a calibrated setting, OLED is superior to LCD in EVERY WAY. Infinite contrast is A HUGE factor for image quality. LCDs suck. Period. The only advantage they have is brightness in TVs, which could change as tech matures (but Samsung has brighter OLED phone panels than any LCD competitor), and producing a deeper red color with quantum dot. That's it.
This is absolutely the best phone display ever made. Period.
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I agree about it being the best display. I absolutely have ZERO complaints about the colors. I recently upgraded from the Galaxy S5, and lets just say... the difference is mind-blowing. However, this boils down to preference, and there's nothing wrong with the OP's wish for more saturation, as that is just what he prefers. However, I find the most saturation comes with Adaptive Display also, while Cinema Mode seems a tad more dull. The difference in modes is hardly even noticeable though. To the OP: Just roll with adaptive, my friend.
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You are insane. Yes, Samsung changed the screen modes for the BETTER.
Basic = sRGB = most consumer content.
Photo = Adobe RGB = pro photos
Cinema = DCI-P3 = film making standard
Adaptive = oversaturated, cold white point that some people like yourself prefer.
Cinema used to be the oversaturated setting. Now it is adaptive display. If that isn't saturated enough for you, get your eyes checked dude. Beyond that point, you are absllutely making everything completely unrealistic. I don't like "washed out" aka accurate colors either, but I don't like colors that destroy the image. The 6P out of the box is too saturated. I have to tone that down slightly to match the Cinema mode from Samsung.
And people... STOP SAYING LCDS ARE FOR COLOR ELITISTS AND OLED IS OVERSATURATED. That is a crock of ****. The only reason Samsung made their first OLEDs oversaturated were to get people's attention. When using a calibrated setting, OLED is superior to LCD in EVERY WAY. Infinite contrast is A HUGE factor for image quality. LCDs suck. Period. The only advantage they have is brightness in TVs, which could change as tech matures (but Samsung has brighter OLED phone panels than any LCD competitor), and producing a deeper red color with quantum dot. That's it.
This is absolutely the best phone display ever made. Period.
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Well, I don't know if "insane" is the proper word though. People have different preferences. I'd be willing to bet that a wide segment of the general population would also agree with me, and probably associate AMOLED with those exact "over the top" colors as some allege. Indeed it comes down to personal preference. Like how for some they simply can't use a point-and-shoot camera because the images are "terrible" but for the masses they would never notice most of the minutia of detail differences between a DSLR and point-and-shoot upon a quick glance.
Indeed I keep going back to the 6P now because the colors are so much more saturated. Which is ironic because when it launched last year IIRC, I felt it was too "subdued".
As for the generalization, I think it's become that way because many of the LCD-enthusiasts use that as their mantra. It's better because of X,Y,Z, basically the points you raised above. Perhaps when AMOLED becomes more common people will start to be more aware of the details and whatnot.
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Seems like people can find something to complain about. Now if someone has a truly faulty display, then that is reasonable to gripe about. But I can say my N7 has BY FAR the best display of any mobile device I have ever owned (Owned note's for 4 years now). This display is light years better than what my N4 has. The whites are far whiter, the colors are far better. It is saturated perfectly (I am using adaptive) and the brightness is awesome. The N7's display has already been shown to be by far the best display on any mobile device to date, and by a fairly wide margin in many of the different testing criteria. IDK what to say to someone who actually doesn't like the N7's display. Except maybe you have a faulty display. Each to their own, but it is pretty clear cut after extensive testing by displaymate (I think that's the site) that the N7 has the worlds best smartphone display. Second best was the S7 edge. I will say that I am not overly fond of the curved edges, but that would be my only gripe and has nothing to do with the actual display/brightness/colors/sharpness etc.
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For me at least, the display saturation has been one of the primary reasons I will come back to Samsung. For example I loved the LG V10 last year but ended up getting rid of it in favor of another Galaxy S6 Edge+ simply because of the color situation.
I don't think the display on mine is faulty, just that I'm not so happy with the changes Samsung has made to its display setting profiles. As for the Display Mate issue, I've heard about it for a relative while now, but at least from my personal preferences it's a strike against the phone. It would be interesting to see what a large segment of Note 7 users feel about the display, though I'm willing to bet that (1) 99% don't even know you can change the display settings, and (2) the phone is already set to Adaptive thus people won't even be aware to begin with.
Just as a side note, I found the Sony Xperia X to have a stunning display in terms of color saturation. They have calibrated it almost to the point of being an "old school" sAMOLED.
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Seems like people can find something to complain about. Now if someone has a truly faulty display, then that is reasonable to gripe about. But I can say my N7 has BY FAR the best display of any mobile device I have ever owned (Owned note's for 4 years now). This display is light years better than what my N4 has. The whites are far whiter, the colors are far better. It is saturated perfectly (I am using adaptive) and the brightness is awesome. The N7's display has already been shown to be by far the best display on any mobile device to date, and by a fairly wide margin in many of the different testing criteria. IDK what to say to someone who actually doesn't like the N7's display. Except maybe you have a faulty display. Each to their own, but it is pretty clear cut after extensive testing by displaymate (I think that's the site) that the N7 has the worlds best smartphone display. Second best was the S7 edge. I will say that I am not overly fond of the curved edges, but that would be my only gripe and has nothing to do with the actual display/brightness/colors/sharpness etc.
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I understand what you are saying. I do not disagree with you that the display has been praised highly by the likes of Display Mate, I don't even dispute that this is the best display ever on any phone. I welcome the better whites and brightness and all that you point out and I also despair at some of the negativity posted on XDA about the Note 7 in general.
But I can't help the fact that I love over saturated colours on a phone (not necessarily for photo's and videos but certainly the UI) and up until now this has been a predominant feature of AMOLED. What I am complaining about is that the option to have a natural look or a vivid look that has always been a built into the settings for the display are no longer adequate. From what I gather, the CINEMA mode which was always the most vivid, makes little difference now. How hard would it be to allow users more control over saturation? The issue therefore is not with the display, but the software settings.
If as you say the ADAPTIVE mode is sufficient then I will be happy with that. Until I get my phone I won't know for sure.
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I think the S3 is not the best phone to compare it to. Back then the displays were really off balance. But I respect your preference for a more natural look but surely we need the options for either. Can the SCREEN BALANCE app you mentioned be used to saturate the colours at all? And does it interfere with the screen overlay issue when setting permissions for other apps?
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I guess you could. Why not try it?
Yes it works by way of screen overlays. Certain application, like my mobile banking app require SB to be switched off. No biggie.
It may be of interest to you that NOUGAT has built in colour sliders and white balance adjustments which work at root level. Well at least the development version had it. Whether this makes it into the final version is another question. I can imagine that some manufacturers which have spent some effort to get their displays calibrated as close as poss to approved standards may object to see their work compromised that way.
We have to see.
I think nougat has been rolled out on Nexus so may be worth looking there too.
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I understand what you are saying. I do not disagree with you that the display has been praised highly by the likes of Display Mate, I don't even dispute that this is the best display ever on any phone. I welcome the better whites and brightness and all that you point out and I also despair at some of the negativity posted on XDA about the Note 7 in general.
But I can't help the fact that I love over saturated colours on a phone (not necessarily for photo's and videos but certainly the UI) and up until now this has been a predominant feature of AMOLED. What I am complaining about is that the option to have a natural look or a vivid look that has always been a built into the settings for the display are no longer adequate. From what I gather, the CINEMA mode which was always the most vivid, makes little difference now. How hard would it be to allow users more control over saturation? The issue therefore is not with the display, but the software settings.
If as you say the ADAPTIVE mode is sufficient then I will be happy with that. Until I get my phone I won't know for sure.
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An excellent point: why doesn't Samsung allow manual tinkering of the color saturation? Why not add a "Custom" mode? It has one for the music equalizer for example.
Rival products such as Asus hardware (though the Zenfone 3 crashed every time I tried) and even the BlackBerry Priv have manual color saturation sliders. If Samsung is so interested in changing the settings to inevitably upset any number of people, why not also have an option to tailor the display to the user's liking?
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Basic = sRGB = most consumer content.
Photo = Adobe RGB = pro photos
Cinema = DCI-P3 = film making standard
Adaptive = oversaturated, cold white point that some people like yourself prefer.
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In theory you are correct about that but if you put maybe 5 note 7's side by side and set them all with the same color mode. probably 4 out of the 5 devices will have different color temperatures and saturation.
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In theory you are correct about that but if you put maybe 5 note 7's side by side and set them all with the same color mode. probably 4 out of the 5 devices will have different color temperatures and saturation.
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Yes, there is a margin of difference in each screen - no calibration setting is likely to produce the same result in a different screen. But unless Display Mate received a cherry picked device, or got extremely lucky, their testing shows these color modes are very accurate.
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An excellent point: why doesn't Samsung allow manual tinkering of the color saturation? Why not add a "Custom" mode? It has one for the music equalizer for example.
Rival products such as Asus hardware (though the Zenfone 3 crashed every time I tried) and even the BlackBerry Priv have manual color saturation sliders. If Samsung is so interested in changing the settings to inevitably upset any number of people, why not also have an option to tailor the display to the user's liking?
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That is a great point and something that really should have been incorporated. OEMs are hesitant to allow users to customize things, which is stupid... Samsung wants locked bootloaders. Apple locks damn near everything down. I think the reasoning behind this is because most people don't have a damn clue what they're doing, and it would lead to devices with really bad configurations either by accident or by ignorance. The owner would think something is wrong with their device, other people would see this and think poorly of that OEM, there'd be improper repair/warranty claims attempted, etc.
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One. You're pitting your subjective preferences against a PhD holding expert that tested the display using a battery of standardized tests using sophisticated equipment.
Absolute Color Accuracy for Each of the Screen Modes
For each of the Screen Modes we carefully measure the Absolute Color Accuracy using an advanced series of spectroradiometer measurements with 41 Reference Colors that provide a detailed map of the Color Accuracy throughout the entire Color Gamut for each Screen Mode.
Absolute Color Accuracy is measured in terms of Just Noticeable Color Differences, JNCD. See this Figure for an explanation and visual definition of JNCD and the detailed Color Accuracy Plots showing the measured Color Errors for the 41 Reference Colors for each Color Gamut. For all of the calibrated Screen Modes, the Galaxy Note7 has uniformly Very Good to Excellent Absolute Color Accuracy. See our detailed Absolute Color Accuracy Plots with 41 Reference Colors for the 3 calibrated screen Modes and also this regarding Bogus Color Accuracy Measurements.
http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note7_ShootOut_1.htmSo you not liking what you're seeing doesn't mean what you're seeing isn't accurate.
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One. You're pitting your subjective preferences against a PhD holding expert that tested the display using a battery of standardized tests using sophisticated equipment.
Absolute Color Accuracy for Each of the Screen Modes
For each of the Screen Modes we carefully measure the Absolute Color Accuracy using an advanced series of spectroradiometer measurements with 41 Reference Colors that provide a detailed map of the Color Accuracy throughout the entire Color Gamut for each Screen Mode.
Absolute Color Accuracy is measured in terms of Just Noticeable Color Differences, JNCD. See this Figure for an explanation and visual definition of JNCD and the detailed Color Accuracy Plots showing the measured Color Errors for the 41 Reference Colors for each Color Gamut. For all of the calibrated Screen Modes, the Galaxy Note7 has uniformly Very Good to Excellent Absolute Color Accuracy. See our detailed Absolute Color Accuracy Plots with 41 Reference Colors for the 3 calibrated screen Modes and also this regarding Bogus Color Accuracy Measurements.
http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note7_ShootOut_1.htmSo you not liking what you're seeing doesn't mean what you're seeing isn't accurate.
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Wait a sec I think you might have misread or misinterpreted my original comments. I never claimed the display was in any way inaccurate, in fact IIRC a point was even raised about my having seen the analysis reports and such. My comment was purely a subjective one, that I don't like the new calibration in light of a personal preference towards truer-than-life color reproduction on a display. My asking for comments was not to challenge the accuracy of reports stating the Note 7 is properly calibrated, rather it was just to reach out and see if anyone also preferred the "old style" color tendencies.
IIRC someone in this topic mentioned about how Samsung might not want users to play with the calibration settings (thus no manual control) as it would potentially lead to creating a bad impression for anyone who saw any given user's device and didn't like the color reproduction. But I would argue that this is the inherent problem of Android, and OEM skins to boot. Just looking at some of the people here in Japan, and the phone(s) they are using with absolutely grotesque levels of carrier bloatware and skins (NTT docomo is by far the worst), I often feel Android is being misrepresented both to the user and to the market itself.
Many times people have said how "my phone is so slow" or "I don't like all these apps on it" and I've tried to explain how that's entirely the result of (1) the Docomo skin, or (2) the fact that it's a carrier model. Now adays more people are starting to at least know OF factory unlocked products though actually buying them is another issue entirely. I'd wager anyone not actively interested in tech around the world really has no interest in spending the better part of 1K on a top-end flagship sold factory unlocked. Thus people take what they can get for as low as they can get it for.
Anyway, going back to the original topic of the display, Samsung really shouldn't worry about how users might "sully" the beauty of AMOLED given that carriers already do enough to cause even the best phone(s) to be "broken" and that shapes someone's impressions just as much.
Now I actually have the Note 7 my anxiety over the colour saturation and screen modes has been eradicated! The display does not disappoint in any way and adaptive mode is surprisingly. . perfect!
I notice the difference between my Note 7 and my Galaxy Tab S, they look different but the Note 7 is equally good.
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tokyoguy, Really, I dont know what device you are talking about, or got yourself a really, really defective one, my screen is the best I have ever had, I hat 4 other samsung models, 2 sony, etc, this one the note7 is the best for me
If you're colorblind, please disregard this thread. Rate this thread to express how you deem the color saturation and accuracy of the Samsung Galaxy Note 9's display. A higher rating indicates that you think that color accuracy is very high and saturation is excellent.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
It would also be helpful if people posting in here would compare the Note 9's color accuracy to the S9/S9+ and/or of course the Note 8 too.
I'm so tired of Samsung inconsistencies with screen colors. Note 9 On top and note 8on bottom. To me the note 8 seems to have the better cleaner whites. The note 9 seems to be pushing a dirty white even compared to my iPhone x. Setting to maximum brightness indoors the iPhone x gets the brightest.
I got my Note 9 yesterday and I immediately noticed that my Note 8 has more vibrant colors. Note 9 seems slightly washed out compared to it. All settings are exactly the same on both phones.
So how are these getting rated as the most amazing, accurate screen ever? It clearly isn't based on the images in this thread... Or are these just isolated cases?
I think the "Basic" setting looks pretty good. The default "Adaptive" mode is terrible. WAY oversaturated.
Lethal_NFS said:
I got my Note 9 yesterday and I immediately noticed that my Note 8 has more vibrant colors. Note 9 seems slightly washed out compared to it. All settings are exactly the same on both phones.
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Lol same here.
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When viewing the screen at anything over a 30 degree angle, I get a very slight blue tint. Is that normal?
JuicyBrah said:
When viewing the screen at anything over a 30 degree angle, I get a very slight blue tint. Is that normal?
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Yep
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Yeah... This is kinda annoying. I don't recall my S8 doing this anywhere near as bad.
I noticed the colors didn't pop and weren't overly vibrant like my S8. The Note 9 I believe are much more true and accurate.
I came from using an LG V20 for just over a year and a half. The screen on that one wasn't bad but the burn in was unreal after about 6 months of using it. I have to say that I love this Note 9 screen, it's sad to hear some users say the Note 8's is better
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I came from using an LG V20 for just over a year and a half. The screen on that one wasn't bad but the burn in was unreal after about 6 months of using it. I have to say that I love this Note 9 screen, it's sad to hear some users say the Note 8's is better
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I don't agree with some of the users here. I got both phones, and believe me the Note 9 screen is better than the Note 8, not enough to blow the Note 8 out of the water but it is better.
Both phones are amazing pieces of technology, and any one can be happy with either of them, but to say that the Note 8 has better display is very inaccurate.
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parusia said:
I don't agree with some of the users here. I got both phones, and believe me the Note 9 screen is better than the Note 8, not enough to blow the Note 8 out of the water but it is better.
Both phones are amazing pieces of technology, and any one can be happy with either of them, but to say that the Note 8 has better display is very inaccurate.
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Fingers crossed it was because my n8 screen was more "aged" that it looked better. Either way, it is what it is. Now I just compared my old note 8 and my wife's note 8 to my note 9 screen again.
When comparing the brightness slider bar on the note 8 compared to the note 9, the note 8 appears to be much brighter with same screen mod and given slider values than the note 9. Even turned fully up to Max brightness the note 8 was brighter.
Someone also who has an n8 should compare.. I just compared two note 8s to my note 9.
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my "basic" setting feel like washed out and the colour seems dull and yellowish.. is that my screen problem? able to change new unit?
with adaptive display screen mode is much better
alexchin91 said:
my "basic" setting feel like washed out and the colour seems dull and yellowish.. is that my screen problem? able to change new unit?
with adaptive display screen mode is much better
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Basic always looks like that lol.
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Custom kernel would allow complete control over color and saturation. Not sure why samsung doesn't offer it in stock setup. EVERY screen varies. Not just phone screens, but all including TV's.
What's this best setting for best display?
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Custom kernel would allow complete control over color and saturation. Not sure why samsung doesn't offer it in stock setup. EVERY screen varies. Not just phone screens, but all including TV's.
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So true.
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vincey2kr1 said:
I'm so tired of Samsung inconsistencies with screen colors. Note 9 On top and note 8on bottom. To me the note 8 seems to have the better cleaner whites. The note 9 seems to be pushing a dirty white even compared to my iPhone x. Setting to maximum brightness indoors the iPhone x gets the brightest.
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Well, in auto brightness mode, the Note9 is brighter than iPhoneX. But of course you have to test it under direct light.