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I was just wondering why is it a good idea to root ?
What do you guys do once you have rooted your phones ?
some people likes their phones as they are.
some people likes to make some changes to their phones, as fonts, battery indicator, delete some idle apps, make device a little bit faster and comfortable for everyday using
I do understand hacking phones, I even used to cook roms back in the day of the omnia 2 but I'm just wondering because I'm new to android, why or should we root the new ones ie, 2.3.3 2.3.4 and what benefits we can gain from it if we don't flash custom roms ?
Oh and I have just re rooted my neo by the way
The biggest benefit is most likely the ability to use Titanium Backup if you're not interested in all the tweaks and custom roms and themes.
SCHUMI_4EVER said:
The biggest benefit is most likely the ability to use Titatanium Backup if you're not interested in all the tweaks and custom roms and themes.
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Ah thanks, is the free titanium on the market any good ?
The Pro version has far more features but yeah the Free version is good enough for a basic backup.
I personally rooted my phone so I can tweak it. I like using the V6 supercharger to alter minfrees and fix OOM-groupings. I also like playing Tegra games with Chainfire3D. My ROM is currently the SE TWEAKEDv0.5 and my Kernel is DooMLorD's (the new one by inteks) i'm on 283 because I don't like updating for no reason... oh and WifiKill (it requires root )
There's also a tool called ROM toolbox. SassiBoB reviewed it. It is quite similar to TB, but the free version offers more features.
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Ah sweet guys thanks I'll look into these.
del1701 said:
I was just wondering why is it a good idea to root ?
What do you guys do once you have rooted your phones ?
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Rooted apps I use:
Titanium Backup: backs up ANY app and app data, even system apps, and more importantly has the power to UNINSTALL ANY APP, even system apps.
EzBoot: reboot your phone quickly (turning it off, waiting and then turning it back on is so dumbphone-like).
Root Explorer: can access hidden system data files in internal memory.
Chainfire 3D: it's supposed to trick hi-end games into thinking your phone has a Tegra chip or simply downscales textures to improve performance, but I admit I'm yet to see a game that needs this.
Script Manager: needed to Supercharge your phone (just did that, I'm not sure if this actually improves performance.
Font Installer: yeah, I changed all fonts on my phone. And yeah, it's pretty useless.
AdFree: promises to block ads on the phone. I was led to believe this is supposed to block ads on all apps, but I notice it doesn't work on some annoying apps with very intrusive ads. It does work on most web pages when browsing the internet though.
FasterFix: it's supposed to get faster locks on GPS satellites. I'm yet to test it properly.
Before I rooted, the only thing I ever wanted with rooting the Xperia neo was definitely Titanium Backup (I can't stand the sight of demos of Let's Golf and Nova HD eating up space from my internal memory). Now I can count 8 rooted apps here. The thing is, phones should all come rooted, period. The user should be able to choose to give away root access on an app-by-app basis.
evilRafael said:
Rooted apps I use:
Titanium Backup: backs up ANY app and app data, even system apps, and more importantly has the power to UNINSTALL ANY APP, even system apps.
EzBoot: reboot your phone quickly (turning it off, waiting and then turning it back on is so dumbphone-like).
Root Explorer: can access hidden system data files in internal memory.
Chainfire 3D: it's supposed to trick hi-end games into thinking your phone has a Tegra chip or simply downscales textures to improve performance, but I admit I'm yet to see a game that needs this.
Script Manager: needed to Supercharge your phone (just did that, I'm not sure if this actually improves performance.
Font Installer: yeah, I changed all fonts on my phone. And yeah, it's pretty useless.
AdFree: promises to block ads on the phone. I was led to believe this is supposed to block ads on all apps, but I notice it doesn't work on some annoying apps with very intrusive ads. It does work on most web pages when browsing the internet though.
FasterFix: it's supposed to get faster locks on GPS satellites. I'm yet to test it properly.
Before I rooted, the only thing I ever wanted with rooting the Xperia neo was definitely Titanium Backup (I can't stand the sight of demos of Let's Golf and Nova HD eating up space from my internal memory). Now I can count 8 rooted apps here. The thing is, phones should all come rooted, period. The user should be able to choose to give away root access on an app-by-app basis.
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Thanks I'll have a look at these ones
I'll mention the most basic and useful thing you can do to a rooted Neo-uninstall all the bloatware that comes with the latest Neo firmware and free RAM. Those useless apps constantly occupy around 30mb of RAM and decrease performance. I for example don't want that intrusive Facebook app spread throughout the entire system running constantly.That,Titanium Backup and Ad Free are the major reasons to root for me.
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I'll mention the most basic and useful thing you can do to a rooted Neo-uninstall all the bloatware that comes with the latest Neo firmware and free RAM. Those useless apps constantly occupy around 30mb of RAM and decrease performance. I for example don't want that intrusive Facebook app spread throughout the entire system running constantly.That,Titanium Backup and Ad Free are the major reasons to root for me.
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Yeah, besides freeing RAM, it also frees my blood pressure. I can't stand the sight of demos of "Let's Golf" and "Nova" stuck in my phone.
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I'll mention the most basic and useful thing you can do to a rooted Neo-uninstall all the bloatware that comes with the latest Neo firmware and free RAM. Those useless apps constantly occupy around 30mb of RAM and decrease performance.
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I guess +100Mb is no problem to after cleaning
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[Q] "Sleep time per frame", possible to set it in other game APKs to fix touch lag?
I have installed loads of random games, and 3/4 of them is mostly causing already known touchscreen lag. I really hate when I find a compatible game, then it lags (while at some point an incompatible game works with no problems, like EVAC HD [as nobody has APK for EVAC, which seems to be now free on market, but not available on mini pro], even that can run properly while some games which are 10x smaller have touchscreen lag). Most of Sunflat games (check on Android Market) seem to have an option called "Sleep time per frame", which seems to fix lag if set properly (can't explain what it really does, similar to FPS limiting). At this point, I don't understand why no such app has this option at all, and it should have IMO.
So, is it possible to add this feature to other games? What should be edited in APK (doesn't have to include option, at least to have fixed value)? Any similar optimization possible? It would be really helpful and much easier to play.
Note: I use stock Eclair 2.1 ROM (2.1.1.A.0.6), unrooted and I'm not going to do any kind of rooting due to USB instability (when mounted, instantly unmounts, asks again what to do, and same thing over and over until somehow it gets mounted properly, don't ask about repairing), phone will be taken to repair when possible, but not yet, so don't tell me that I have to do anything related with root, as this is just currently related with game APKs, not with phone itself.
How can I do this? I noticed yesterday that my scramble with friends app with only 2 games, was taking up 135Mb RAM. I'm sure there's another issue behind there, but this got me noticing other apps that don't need to always be open and running, but for some reason are. How can I stop these apps from auto launching and running in the background?
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How can I do this? I noticed yesterday that my scramble with friends app with only 2 games, was taking up 135Mb RAM. I'm sure there's another issue behind there, but this got me noticing other apps that don't need to always be open and running, but for some reason are. How can I stop these apps from auto launching and running in the background?
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Just because something is loaded doesnt mean its actually running. Android takes programs that are often used and load them into RAM so that they are ready and waiting when you want to run them. They are then dropped out of memory when that memory is needed for something else. Read up on memory management to get a better idea. If you want to kill it anyways, you can probably just use Titanium to freeze it, but this requires root.
Thanks for the response. I'm rooted and also running RAM manager. It seems that certain programs are taking up my RAM that don't need to be. Another example, words with friends, was in my RAM usage after reboot, and I've never even used this game before. Games like scramble with friends I'd imagine always need to be running or in active RAM since that game has notifications and built in messaging. But I don't need to constantly have that app checking for new data. I tried setting the in app settings to check every few hours rather than 5 minutes, but it was still shown as taking 130MB of RAM usage (though the number is normal now after reboot).
So, it sounds like there is no way.. or what you're saying is more of, no need? I just don't want a bunch of little used apps taking up my active memory.
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Thanks for the response. I'm rooted and also running RAM manager. It seems that certain programs are taking up my RAM that don't need to be. Another example, words with friends, was in my RAM usage after reboot, and I've never even used this game before. Games like scramble with friends I'd imagine always need to be running or in active RAM since that game has notifications and built in messaging. But I don't need to constantly have that app checking for new data. I tried setting the in app settings to check every few hours rather than 5 minutes, but it was still shown as taking 130MB of RAM usage (though the number is normal now after reboot).
So, it sounds like there is no way.. or what you're saying is more of, no need? I just don't want a bunch of little used apps taking up my active memory.
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No real need. Android sees that you use this app a good bit so it preloads it, and it's sitting there in unused RAM untill it's either called upon to run or untill another process needs that RAM that its using.The application is not running and that RAM would otherwise be sitting unused, so there's no need to get rid of it unless it happened to be a suspicious application. This process is what gets alot of folks all wound up about never having enough RAM because they think that almost all of their RAM is being used for running processes when in reality this isn't really true, kinda half true.
Download Autostarts from the Market, it will let you prevent apps from starting automatically.
And what Chief Geek said is true, he's missing a big part of the picture, and I see statements like his all the time. Yes Android does a good job of loading things in and out of memory as needed. However, if there is crap you don't care about coming in and out of memory all the time, then that means Android is going to dump stuff out of memory that you DO care about (browser, games, etc.) So if you have a bunch of extra crap running, that means if you pause a game, check and email, and come back, Android may have released it from memory and you have to wait for it to reload. If you cut back on the things that are constantly running, it will keep more of your apps that you care about in memory longer, meaning when you go back to that game they will be there right away.
The more stuff you can prevent from running the better. I use Titanium Backup to freeze stuff I will never use. I use autostarts to prevent certain apps from running at startup that I don't want to - Maps, Facebook, etc. Doing this gives me tons of extra free RAM which translates to more useful multitasking.
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And what Chief Geek said is true, he's missing a big part of the picture, and I see statements like his all the time.
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I understand where your coming from, as this is a very common argument, but what you didn't mention is your method favors empty/available RAM for multitasking while sacrificing fast launches leading to some folks experiencing a laggy system. I completely agree with freezing the junk as the bloat always seems to have pointless priority, but I feel as once these steps are taken that android does a perfectly fine job of managing RAM. Very rarely do I have to wait for applications to reopen as I'm jumping back and forth between them and never have trouble multitasking. I'm not going to be curt and say your theory is wrong, I'll leave it as just another way of running your device as it certainley has it's merits, but I don't agree that it's for the average user who is more likey to be jumping from one app to another and not back and forth between the same ones needing all the data to be exactly where they left it.
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I understand where your coming from, as this is a very common argument, but what you didn't mention is your method favors empty/available RAM for multitasking while sacrificing fast launches leading to some folks experiencing a laggy system. I completely agree with freezing the junk as the bloat always seems to have pointless priority, but I feel as once these steps are taken that android does a perfectly fine job of managing RAM. Very rarely do I have to wait for applications to reopen as I'm jumping back and forth between them and never have trouble multitasking. I'm not going to be curt and say your theory is wrong, I'll leave it as just another way of running your device as it certainley has it's merits, but I don't agree that it's for the average user who is more likey to be jumping from one app to another and not back and forth between the same ones needing all the data to be exactly where they left it.
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You're misunderstanding what I am saying. I am suggesting to prevent apps you don't care about from getting loaded into memory automatically at startup. By doing that, it means more free memory for the system, which means better multitasking.
My method doesn't sacrifice fast launches at all. If anything, by having more free memory, it means more applications will remain in memory, which equals better multitasking and faster relaunches. Initial launches will be the same either way.
I am NOT suggesting to prevent apps you care about from autostarting - just the crap that you never use nor care about. Maybe that's where you misunderstood me.
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You're misunderstanding what I am saying. I am suggesting to prevent apps you don't care about from getting loaded into memory automatically at startup. By doing that, it means more free memory for the system, which means better multitasking.
My method doesn't sacrifice fast launches at all. If anything, by having more free memory, it means more applications will remain in memory, which equals better multitasking and faster relaunches. Initial launches will be the same either way.
I am NOT suggesting to prevent apps you care about from autostarting - just the crap that you never use nor care about. Maybe that's where you misunderstood me.
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I appologize for the misunderstanding, I assumed that since we were discussing an app that he says he does use that you meant to prevent apps such as this all together. Such is an argument that some make in an attempt to maximize the amount of available unused RAM.
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I appologize for the misunderstanding, I assumed that since we were discussing an app that he says he does use that you meant to prevent apps such as this all together. Such is an argument that some make in an attempt to maximize the amount of available unused RAM.
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I was addressing what he said here:
but this got me noticing other apps that don't need to always be open and running, but for some reason are. How can I stop these apps from auto launching and running in the background?
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But in all honesty, if his app is using 135MB of RAM when doing nothing, it is probably better off being prevented from running in the background entirely. 135MB is less than 1/3 of the free RAM on the system after a fresh boot.
I been using system tuner pro. You can freezes apps stop them from start up. It also has a task manager that you can choose which apps run what you want to kill.you can also exclude apps so if you kill all it will keep the apps you need running like widget locker bln or avast and kill the rest. Also gives you in depth everything on yor phone
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+1 for Autostarts
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kimocal said:
+1 for Autostarts
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+2 for Autostarts.
The best by far is Gemini app manager... https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.seasmind.android.gmappmgr
long press on the icon of the app to get a menu with an option to disable start up.
And the nice part it has very granular selection of start up permissions.
Hi eveyone,
Title tells you everything. Why i made this conclusion? Because android nougat system uses all your RAM in vain.(I would like to mention that Linux os is famous for its low ram usage and fast ui so, google, why android is using so much RAM?) . Any installed app data which are stored on your Ram on a boot, so why apps are slowly opening,Why they are reloading everytime when switching back to that app? All apps which are running in multitasking mode(recents apps) when switching between apps , app is reloading but not switching to the last opened moment. Also there are some other bad behaviour like when youre updating your apps through google play store. If you switch to another app , google play app stops doing update process. These problems gets pixel and nexus devices and all devices which uses ROMs based on aosp or lineage.
I'm on a purenexus(aosp) rom and My device (kenzo)uses 1.8/1.8 GB of ram. It's a real problem. Comparing samsung galaxy s8 vs pixel device you can see what i'm talking about. (Youtube link is below) Why OEMs gets better results with their own UI and kernel customizations? Atleast, Can we get better Ram management on android o with stock kernel? I'm not talking about apple's iOS which is better in multitasking in any way..
https://youtu.be/UK8K-lhDFVw
I would like to get your opinion and suggestions how to improve RAM management on nougat. Atleast prove me that you don't have these my mentioned problems (please tell me your using ROM name, kernel and other mods you use).
Tried a lot ROMS but after some days of usage they end with poor ui performance with bad ram management behaviour..
Some saintly person with infinite knowledge is coming here to tell you that "free ram is wasted ram".
He won't care if your phone lags, apps reload and ui is unresponsive. He'll just repeat his favorite phrase.
"Free ram is wasted ram."
Let's see the first Saint's comment.
Oh and btw..
I'm facing the exact same problem. And I'm very pissed off with these saintly people repeating their favorite phrase. No solution found so far. Use greenify on as many apps as you can. It'll cause the problem to be a little more bearable.
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Use custom kernel.
Also lately play services started hogging ram so I disabled some of the services :
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ibsk0e1yens5suc/AACU4nhZGu0UuBcwHV1VT2pLa?dl=0
Third if you have social media apps running they are the culprit, my gfs s7e lagged with Facebook, Instagram, viber, whatsapp etc.
Greenify solved the issue.
1emrys1 said:
Some saintly person with infinite knowledge is coming here to tell you that "free ram is wasted ram".
He won't care if your phone lags, apps reload and ui is unresponsive. He'll just repeat his favorite phrase.
"Free ram is wasted ram."
Let's see the first Saint's comment.
Oh and btw..
I'm facing the exact same problem. And I'm very pissed off with these saintly people repeating their favorite phrase. No solution found so far. Use greenify on as many apps as you can. It'll cause the problem to be a little more bearable.
Sent from my Redmi Note 3 using Tapatalk
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LOL so true, I was just thinking the same ? They'll say free ram is wasted but that's not true for a multitasker, like me, because I like to use 4 apps and be able to switch amongst them without reloading(I have 2GB variant)
Anyway, checkout my screenshot, I use greenify + 512mb zram(ElementalX kernel default settings)
P.s I'm on XenonHD
Never had such issue on any nougat rom. I use Resurrection remix 5.8.2 and Agni Kernel. Use Zram in kernel Auditor to boost performance little bit. I always have 700 to 800 free ram on 2g variant.
I set my LMK to 9-32-64-100-156-214 and I swear i can switch around with browser, facebook, message and gallery without reload anything . I'm on 2gb Kenzo with franco kernel
guys, use privacy guard / appops , and disable background working of unnecessary apps like
Solution: Root; tweak
A little bit of my story: Galaxy Tab S. What laptop (tablet - in the old days, laptops were great with that much ram, weren't they?) with 3 gb ram won't let you multitask?! When it was Kitkat, it was, well, alright. I upgraded to Marshmallow, and I was not able to multitask. Marshmallow on Galaxy J5 Prime leaves 800 MB without cache and over 1.2 GB without cache, out of 3 GB. Similar with Marshmallow/Tab S (+ overheating processor!). I mean what the ****? Is that planned obsolescence?
And now I am here, typing from Tab S, with: 5 tabs open in Chrome, 2 tabs in Xodo, Settings, Play Store, ES File Explorer, Task Bar (Braden Farmer) [at the least] - having changed to Lineage OS 14.1 (no good. by default), rooted and learnt about Low Memory Killer (in Deathly Adiutor); tweaked it and I have less than 300 MB free ram with cache and less than 875 MB free without cache. Yay! (Btw, the overheating problem is solved too by underclocking - to save battery and avoid overheating!) [I have spent at least two days testing out different OS and possibility-of-root and features.] So, this paragraph is my 2 cents.
Would like to hear from you if your problem is solved.
[PS: J5 Prime is still under warranty, and is used for basic functionalities - no problem there as of yet.]
I'm currently running RR nougat with randon kernel
The ram management is great i can swith fb ,youtube, chorme, mess without loading, but in long term the phone start slow, hang and battery drop super fast ( 5H SOT)
So i have to force 3 app running background to keep battery longer and stay away from lag.
Any ideas to keep great ram and free - lag ?!?
Tks in advance
Any idea
vkass said:
Use custom kernel.
Also lately play services started hogging ram so I disabled some of the services :
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ibsk0e1yens5suc/AACU4nhZGu0UuBcwHV1VT2pLa?dl=0
Third if you have social media apps running they are the culprit, my gfs s7e lagged with Facebook, Instagram, viber, whatsapp etc.
Greenify solved the issue.
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How do you disable the services?
mehrshad.shafaghi said:
How do you disable the services?
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cn.wq.disableservice
More and more games lately have become a grind, involving hours on top of hours of gameplay. I have no issue with playing a few reps on a game, except I don't want to be on my phone for that many hours every day because I fear for its longevity. So I try and play these games on a few Windows emulators (Pokemon Go, Toreba) but find they won't start. I know both of these apps check for root because I had to set up Magisk hide for both on my phone but the emulators are not rooted, so I can assume the apps are checking for emulation and stop running.
In short, what I'm trying to say is, is there a way to hide the fact that I'm using an emulator from these apps?
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More and more games lately have become a grind, involving hours on top of hours of gameplay. I have no issue with playing a few reps on a game, except I don't want to be on my phone for that many hours every day because I fear for its longevity. So I try and play these games on a few Windows emulators (Pokemon Go, Toreba) but find they won't start. I know both of these apps check for root because I had to set up Magisk hide for both on my phone but the emulators are not rooted, so I can assume the apps are checking for emulation and stop running.
In short, what I'm trying to say is, is there a way to hide the fact that I'm using an emulator from these apps?
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Don't use an emulator. Boot up remix OS in persitant mode on a USB with some extra space on the USB and see how you go. Technically it's a fully fledged Android. Emulators are a severely stripped down version and mainly use a secondary kernel which utilizes the VT functions of a CPU which arnt Ideal in your case