AWESOME tablet but a fundamental question: does it still have the EFFIN' STUPID screen protector its predecessor had??
Battery life is a concern as well (the Z Tablet Ultra battery life was pretty poor) but the screen protector is an instant deal breaker!!
I got the Xperia Z Tablet Ultra as soon as it came out especially because of its fantastic light weight but had to return it after a couple of days because it had a screen protector which was an *integral part* of the display (if you removed it, and BTW the glue was very strong, the glass beneath wasn't scratch proof and didn't have an oleophobic coating). The screen protector, of course, assured the display was very much scratch prone AND it also wasn't very slick so not easy to swipe upon (and pretty reflective to boot). B-A-T-S-H-I-T C-R-A-Z-Y.
If they went with a normal "bare" screen, this time, I would be very tempted to get this instead of the Samsung Tab Pro 10.1 (a "feather" itself) I was planning to get. Its even lighter weight is just unbelievable... (I just hope it doesn't come at the battery life's expense too much).
I am now using a G Pad 8.3 not because I like the mini tablets but only because after trying several 10" ones I realized that none of them was very ergonomic for prolonged hand held use because of their weight (and BTW speaking of ergonomy, this stupid new-fangled bezel-less design for tablets is another gripe of mine. Using the G Pad in portrait is bothersome, especially because of its slippery, STUPID metal back, another thing I hate in mobile devices...).
Anyway, I feel like the weight of the new Tab Pro 10.1 was beginning to approach my comfort territory and decided to try it out. Had I found it in black available locally, I would have already picked it out.. But then Sony comes out with this potentially awesome tablet. I just hope they haven't f***ed it up like they did the Z Ultra.
Sorry to sound so negative but I was so pissed when I discovered, after the purchase, the unbelievable stupidity of it all...
P.S. oh and of course NONE of the so called "tech" media "reviews" I read/watched before buying the Z Tablet Ultra pointed that out...
There is Xperia Z Ultra and Xperia Tablet Z. You had one or another. Anyway, there is no screen protector. I have the Tablet Z (the 10 inch one) and the battery is awesome, comparable to my mom's iPad 3, which has a battery with almost the double size. I already managed 8h of screen time, with a total of 1d14h of screen (1/3 of the time with WiFi on).
About the screen protector, I've never been bothered by it. It protects the screen, just like it is meant to do, and the screen is perfect, just like any other high end tablet/smartphone I used.
If you like the weight of the G Pad, you probably will feel bothered even with the Z2 Tablet. It's feather light, for a 10 inch tablet. It's somewhat heavy, obviously, compared to them.
And, I can't see a single thing Sony could have screwed with the Z2 Tablet. Maybe you could feel bothered about the somewhat sharp edges. It isn't something that bothers ME on Tablet Z...
From what I've heard it's no longer on the device. I could be wrong but I don't think I am.
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There is Xperia Z Ultra and Xperia Tablet Z. You had one or another.
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My bad, it was almost a year ago, had it only for a few days and forgot the actual name of ther model.. It was the Xperia Tablet Z (SGP311E).
Anyway, there is no screen protector.
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You are absolutely sure about this..? Have you checked it out in person?
I have the Tablet Z (the 10 inch one) and the battery is awesome, comparable to my mom's iPad 3, which has a battery with almost the double size. I already managed 8h of screen time, with a total of 1d14h of screen (1/3 of the time with WiFi on).
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I am a heavy poweruser and never use "power saving" settings (i.e. feature crippling settings) and I remember the battery life to be sensibly inferior to the other 10" tablets I have had before it (and after...).
I plan on getting the desktop stand/charger for quick and easy charging when not in use anyway (wireless charging should be *mandatory* for devices with non-removable batteries!!!!).
About the screen protector, I've never been bothered by it. It protects the screen, just like it is meant to do, and the screen is perfect, just like any other high end tablet/smartphone I used.
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For all of the reasons I listed, the screen protector was simply insane.
In fact, AFAIK no other tablet from major brands was/is using it. Probably not even cheap no-name ones...
If you like the weight of the G Pad, you probably will feel bothered even with the Z2 Tablet. It's feather light, for a 10 inch tablet. It's somewhat heavy, obviously, compared to them.
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The Tab Pro 10.1 Wi-Fi model weighs exactly like the iPad Air (the LTE one actually weighs less than the corresponding iPad Air) and handling my brother's iPad Air I felt that the weight was comfortable enough or at least worth giving it a try (especially since I NEVER use cases so the device's weight is all I am going to deal with).
The Z2, which weighs considerably less than those two, really is a no brainer. If it works well is THE 10" tablet to get, at least for me.
I like almost everything about it... weight apart, obviously, I particularly like the 3GB RAM, the 32GB storage option with SD card slot, the powerful SOC, the bezels (OK maybe a bit too big but better too big than too small!!) and I hope that the back is the same very pleasant rubberized one like the Tablet Z which I feel is the ideal solution for hand held devices!!
And, I can't see a single thing Sony could have screwed with the Z2 Tablet. Maybe you could feel bothered about the somewhat sharp edges. It isn't something that bothers ME on Tablet Z...
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Oh there is always plenty for device makers to screw up... LOL
Anyway the edges didn't really bother me (although I would have much preferred rounded edges) and it seems that on the Z2 they softened the edges a little too.
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My bad, it was almost a year ago, had it only for a few days and forgot the actual name of ther model.. It was the Xperia Tablet Z (SGP311E).
You are absolutely sure about this..? Have you checked it out in person?
I am a heavy poweruser and never use "power saving" settings (i.e. feature crippling settings) and I remember the battery life to be sensibly inferior to the other 10" tablets I have had before it (and after...).
I plan on getting the desktop stand/charger for quick and easy charging when not in use anyway (wireless charging should be *mandatory* for devices with non-removable batteries!!!!).
For all of the reasons I listed, the screen protector was simply insane.
In fact, AFAIK no other tablet from major brands was/is using it. Probably not even cheap no-name ones...
The Tab Pro 10.1 Wi-Fi model weighs exactly like the iPad Air (the LTE one actually weighs less than the corresponding iPad Air) and handling my brother's iPad Air I felt that the weight was comfortable enough or at least worth giving it a try (especially since I NEVER use cases so the device's weight is all I am going to deal with).
The Z2, which weighs considerably less than those two, really is a no brainer. If it works well is THE 10" tablet to get, at least for me.
I like almost everything about it... weight apart, obviously, I particularly like the 3GB RAM, the 32GB storage option with SD card slot, the powerful SOC, the bezels (OK maybe a bit too big but better too big than too small!!) and I hope that the back is the same very pleasant rubberized one like the Tablet Z which I feel is the ideal solution for hand held devices!!
Oh there is always plenty for device makers to screw up... LOL
Anyway the edges didn't really bother me (although I would have much preferred rounded edges) and it seems that on the Z2 they softened the edges a little too.
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No, I haven't checked it myself, but many people reported that here, hereand here.
About it on the Tablet Z, well, I agree with you. It was more a opinion statment than a discussion over who's right. As I said, I don't mind it at all. You do mind. That's what matters.
Well, indeed there are ways to screw up, but as I said, for now, I haven't seen anything for now. About battery, indeed it's a matter of use. If it changes anything to you, another time (this with 4.2.2) I managed to get 8h20 of screen on, with a total of 14h of battery. The whole time WiFi was on, I watch some videos on Youtube, used the IR plenty of times and was constantly typing. The brightness was at minimum. There wasn't need for anything above it as the minimum settings is already quite bright, and I was indoors all the time. For my usage, it's a pretty good time.
I haven't managed better battery lately, but my device is rooted, full of apps (a lot of them useless. Don't even know why there are still installed lol) and really tweaked, with Xposed or other stuff.
There is no screen protector on this device.
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Thanks, that was what I wanted to hear! :victory:
I'm very tempted to pick up the tablet as I'm blown away by the phone. Im just wondering if there's much point as the phone has a large screen.
So do any of you guys have both? How are they together? How's the build quality in relation to the Z2 phone? Is it worth it?
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I have the tablet and it's awesome, really thin and light and complements the Z2 extremely well.
I have no doubt that the tablet is awesome, as is the phone...... but as far as i can tell the tablet version doesnt do anything the phone doesnt, sure it has a bigger screen and landscape on homescreen but i do believe there the same other than that, please correct me if i am wrong
I have phone and tablet.
Both devices are of great build quality and a pleasure to use (only I'm unhappy with the phone's camera, but that's my only niggle).
Of course the one device can't be a replacement for the other!
I use the tablet for media consumption, ebooks, The Times etc, and the phone, well, as a phone!
I've just been round the shops playing with tablets. I did stumble upon a tablet z, had a play. Obviously the Z2 tablet is better, but something didn't sit right with me. The Samsung note tablet just seemed more polished. (I categorically do Not want a Samsung tab btw)
It was really nice playing with play newsstand, and viewing photos was just better because of the size.
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I bought the tablet Z last year and I just got my Z2 phone. The tablet is awesome, I use it mainly when I'm traveling for work, FB, reading magazines, some gaming, movies, filling and signing of work reports, etc. It doesn't lag and it is very well constructed, light, high quality, I bet the tablet Z2 will be superior.
I pair my tablet with the QC15 from Bose and watching movies is a delight with the beautiful screen, especially on air travel.
The only complain I have is the anti shatter film, it can be scratched very easily, I could remove the film but it will void the warranty. However the Z2 and tablet Z2 doesn't come with this film.
I use my Z2 for everyday use (FB, email, web browsing, etc) when I'm not in front of my PC.
I was thinking in getting the new xperia tablet but I'm very happy with the tablet Z right now, so maybe I'll just pass it and wait for the next model now that the next generation of Snapdragons were announced last month.
Hope this helps you a little bit in your decision. Cheers.
Cracked my screen on my ultra yesterday. Dont know how it happened. Pulled it out of the pocket and found hairline cracks.
Had the Sony Z1 and same thing happened.
These Sony screens must be the worst quality in the high end business. What is extremely annoying is that the cracked screen makes the phone unreceptive to touch actions from your fingers. I was left stranded for a whole day with no communication.
Ive cracked my iphone screen previously but even with heavy cracks and iphone still works. A small hairline crack on a Sony however renders it useless. It is for this reason I am not going to buy another Sony phone.
I don't mind the fact it can crack but to crack randomly and not work at all after a crack is unacceptable. Looks like back to the Iphone or Note 4 for me.
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Dont know how it happened. Pulled it out of the pocket and found hairline cracks.
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Post a picture of it if you can, it's pretty easy to tell how the screen broke if you examine the cracks.
It really seems like this may be a production fault of a sizeable set of devices, while the rest are built better. I remember one person posting that Sony had acknowledged this to be a problem when a cracked phone was turned in for warranty repair and offered a free replacement. There's a bunch of articles about this. Seems to affect the Z2 as well, so I understand your decision. :/
I think it's such a shame - and I couldn't agree more.
I had the same thing happen to my Z2 while it was sitting on the bed, switched back to my Z Ultra now and I'm constantly worried about the same happening with that. It seems to be a common problem across all the z series phones which leads me to believe it's down to the crappy dragontrail glass they use, I wish they'd use gorilla glass. My one x screen went through hell, even had a coke can(340 grams!) fall square on the screen from an overhead shelf a meter and a half above and was fine (to my amazement).
I know people are going to say it's glass it can crack (well yes - no **** sherlock) but the Sony glass just cracks to easily, either that or their qc is awful. I have to admit I was a sceptic and assumed people were just being heavy handed until I experienced it first hand, and I baby all my devices.
It's a shame because I love the Sony devices but I don't want something I have to carry around in bubblewrap, hopefully the next gen Samsung/Htc phones are waterproof then I'll jump ship.
Thing is Sony know about the issue, watchdog UK covered it a year ago but whether they actually replace it under warranty is a complete lottery. I have insurance but it's still unnecessary hassle
Use an ultra thin case, solves potential cracks. It's all about the amount of pressure in the pocket. A device this thin and large is more prone to cracking, obviously. The Achilles heel is located at the power button... Babying this device is a must, requires attention and dedication
Thanks Buddy. I was about to buy a Sony Z Ultra, bcoz of its larger display. I am a rough user of phones. Even on some second hand sales sites, I found some ads selling cracked screen phones ( nobody buys such cracked screen phone but ie different issue). I shall settle for smaller screen phones. Bye.
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It really seems like this may be a production fault of a sizeable set of devices, while the rest are built better. I remember one person posting that Sony had acknowledged this to be a problem when a cracked phone was turned in for warranty repair and offered a free replacement. There's a bunch of articles about this. Seems to affect the Z2 as well, so I understand your decision. :/
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Have not had a single issue on screen cracking or anything of my Z1 and I had it for almost a year now.
I also cracked mine
I cracked mine by wearing swim trunks that were just too small for this phone and I sat down with it in the pocket and that was that. But i love it so I bought another. And I have just now finished turning my broken Z Ultra into a media center via XBMC, and an MHL adapter. Im thinking of making a short guide soon because while the phone is useless without functioning touch input, the guts are stil powerful, and its a shame to let that processing power go to waste. This a very low power consuming device when compared to htpcs.
Yeah, I will be moving on to the Nexus 6 because of this. I love my ultra, but I am already on my second phone because my 1st cracked in my pocket. Two of my buddies also had their's crack in their pockets too. We are big guys that wear baggy pants, so it wasn't like too much added stress. I will keep my ultra, but will turn to the nexus 6 as my daily driver. Honestly I don't think it is a matter of if the screen on this ultra will crack, but a matter of when.
I suggest iron brick and abuse it silly
I looked but couldn't find, is there a recommended beginner's guide to the Z Ultra? If not, given the nearly 1.5 year lifetime of the device/community, what top tip would you give somebody receiving a new device in a few days?
I have just ordered my ZU. I am IT involved (work and hobby) but have virtually no Android or Xperia experience. This will be my first real/recent Android experience, I have had very limited experience up to now- a few hours on a 2.3 phone 2 years ago and on a tablet with Cyanogenmod last year. I have been using various Blackberry and Windows devices the last few years and before that the iphone.
I plan to just play safe the first week or two, trying out some Google Play store apps only, etc. Is there anything important I should do on first use? I'm not sure exactly what version the device will have loaded, anything to do before the OTA software update kicks in?
I plan to eventually root the device which seems necessary for certain things I want to do, I will read up on details , I'm aware of some key backup requirements.
Hi Jess91,
Welcome to the club!
Having IT experience, you should be comfortable navigating android and all the information around it. Read through all the stickies, particularly in the general section and Q/A. Familiarize with the lingo (root, rom, (custom) recovery, bootloader etc) -- you may already know what these mean.
In terms of "first things" -- I think you should be okay with the OTAs (see Blueether's Everything Root sticky - I believe the starting firmware ROM is the up-to-date version). Follow the right instructions (i.e Google Play Edition phone vs. Sony Xperia phone). As soon as you root, backup your ROM and your TA (I gather you're already familiar).
As for first things - my tip is to protect the device (physically):
-The long thin frame makes the phone prone to bend and there are plenty of reports in this forum of people cracking their screens from nothing more than having their phone in their pockets. Personally, I got a sturdy case and put tempered glass screen protectors on it to give it more rigidity. Others avoid pocketing the device all together.
-It's IP certified, but not covered under warranty if it gets water damaged. Also, the IP rating is for fresh water (i.e. not salt water or necessarily chlorinated water ).
-The screen is covered by an ASF which is prone to finger prints and scratching (especially if you plan to use a pen). Get a screen protector of some kind. Removing the film could void warranty (YMMV) but many people do remove it.
-take care with the flaps... kinda flimsy
-take care with magnetic cables-- can brick your device if you put them on the wrong way. Not officially supported by Sony.
Aside from the solvable physical weaknesses (and the camera) it's a very solid device - attractive design and runs like fire.
If you have questions (after a search of course) ask in this forum. It's a small community, but like a small town you begin to recognize everyone and people generally want to help. Response time can vary though.
Come back and let us know how it goes (and add any new tips you have for future users).
Thanks unidentifier.
Some real nuggets in your post. I appreciate it.
I am familiar with rooting, roms, bootloaders concepts, just not Android specifics. I will read Blueether's Everything Root thread when I have some spare time. My phone will come with Sony ROM, not GPe. From the quick reading I've done up to now, the 2 things that have stuck on rooting are:
- earlier versions are easier to root than latest (may be moot point if root on earlier doesn't stick when OS updated)
- need to back up a few things, especially not to lose some Sony keys to restore certain functionality (DRM related?)
I would like a stable, reliable device so can't really see myself moving away from the Sony ROM (which looked quiet good, unlike some other manufacturers' bloatware), so root to use as and when needed, not to install different ROMs. Depending on whether rooting sticks or has to be redone with OS updates, I'll do it after careful reading of the instructions. I haven't decided but I get the impression I should apply any OTA updates to have a patched device and worry about rooting later. Is that right, or is there advantage rooting sooner before these updates?
Your point on protection is well noted. Most of my posts so far have been in the Accessory sub-forum trying find a good case. I will be using the ZU more like a tablet, mostly at home on the couch or at work on my desk, it won't replace my phone being carried around everywhere, certainly not in pocket. I have purchased what seems to be the sturdiest case (ebay 121248924363) which has a magnetic charging access- this looks like a cheap version of the Incipio Dual Pro, which doesn't have magnetic charger access- a deal breaker for me.
My initial plan on case was to use a less protective option (ebay 181400289992) which I have also bought but not yet received. Even if the first case is strong enough, neither provide any screen protection (I will be carrying in a large bag with things like keys that may scratch) so I am looking for an additional container to use when carrying. Slightly overkill would be a Pelican type hard plastic shell with foam, more likely I will use a tupperware container.
Yes, in deciding on the ZU, I saw the many debates on ASF. The main question for me was whether it is best to install a glass protector over it (in which case, ideally on day 1) or to replace it (removing ASF). My conclusion (maybe wrong) was it is better not to have a/another protector on top of the ASF and given my light finger (no pen) careful (indoor) usage the ASF alone should be OK. Unfortunately, all this seems a bit subjective- clearly ASF is not scratch resistant to the extent of Gorilla glass but the complaints about it aren't scratches from fingers/nails, they seem to be due to keys in bag/pocket, stylus/other pointer, etc. I also saw various comments on how the ASF felt better, maybe not as smooth as glass, it was closer to the desired experience. ASF seems to be the biggest discussion topic on ZU, and many opinions.
Regarding the IP rating, I see it as a bonus not a challenge. My watch is 150M waterproof but I still take it off when showering. No other phone of mine has ever had flaps and I was even considering cutting/taking them off (gasp...the horror..am I expelled from ZU community?) as they get in the way, especially the USB. After looking at the options, I've decided to use the magnetic port (will use real Sony Dock's cable and/or Magnector X) for charging and Miracast technology to display on TV not USB. While I don't care too much about the flap, the integrity of the USB connector is still important. Daily USB charging and USB/MHL adapter use after a year or two takes it toll.
I have no use at all for the rear camera. I'll only occasionally use the front camera for video calling.
So a few questions/doubts, but nothing major. Going over the points like this makes me more reassured. Would be interested in your thoughts.
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Thanks unidentifier.
Some real nuggets in your post. I appreciate it.
I am familiar with rooting, roms, bootloaders concepts, just not Android specifics. I will read Blueether's Everything Root thread when I have some spare time. My phone will come with Sony ROM, not GPe. From the quick reading I've done up to now, the 2 things that have stuck on rooting are:
- earlier versions are easier to root than latest (may be moot point if root on earlier doesn't stick when OS updated)
- need to back up a few things, especially not to lose some Sony keys to restore certain functionality (DRM related?)
I would like a stable, reliable device so can't really see myself moving away from the Sony ROM (which looked quiet good, unlike some other manufacturers' bloatware), so root to use as and when needed, not to install different ROMs. Depending on whether rooting sticks or has to be redone with OS updates, I'll do it after careful reading of the instructions. I haven't decided but I get the impression I should apply any OTA updates to have a patched device and worry about rooting later. Is that right, or is there advantage rooting sooner before these updates?
Your point on protection is well noted. Most of my posts so far have been in the Accessory sub-forum trying find a good case. I will be using the ZU more like a tablet, mostly at home on the couch or at work on my desk, it won't replace my phone being carried around everywhere, certainly not in pocket. I have purchased what seems to be the sturdiest case (ebay 121248924363) which has a magnetic charging access- this looks like a cheap version of the Incipio Dual Pro, which doesn't have magnetic charger access- a deal breaker for me.
My initial plan on case was to use a less protective option (ebay 181400289992) which I have also bought but not yet received. Even if the first case is strong enough, neither provide any screen protection (I will be carrying in a large bag with things like keys that may scratch) so I am looking for an additional container to use when carrying. Slightly overkill would be a Pelican type hard plastic shell with foam, more likely I will use a tupperware container.
Yes, in deciding on the ZU, I saw the many debates on ASF. The main question for me was whether it is best to install a glass protector over it (in which case, ideally on day 1) or to replace it (removing ASF). My conclusion (maybe wrong) was it is better not to have a/another protector on top of the ASF and given my light finger (no pen) careful (indoor) usage the ASF alone should be OK. Unfortunately, all this seems a bit subjective- clearly ASF is not scratch resistant to the extent of Gorilla glass but the complaints about it aren't scratches from fingers/nails, they seem to be due to keys in bag/pocket, stylus/other pointer, etc. I also saw various comments on how the ASF felt better, maybe not as smooth as glass, it was closer to the desired experience. ASF seems to be the biggest discussion topic on ZU, and many opinions.
Regarding the IP rating, I see it as a bonus not a challenge. My watch is 150M waterproof but I still take it off when showering. No other phone of mine has ever had flaps and I was even considering cutting/taking them off (gasp...the horror..am I expelled from ZU community?) as they get in the way, especially the USB. After looking at the options, I've decided to use the magnetic port (will use real Sony Dock's cable and/or Magnector X) for charging and Miracast technology to display on TV not USB. While I don't care too much about the flap, the integrity of the USB connector is still important. Daily USB charging and USB/MHL adapter use after a year or two takes it toll.
I have no use at all for the rear camera. I'll only occasionally use the front camera for video calling.
So a few questions/doubts, but nothing major. Going over the points like this makes me more reassured. Would be interested in your thoughts.
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You can update to 4.4.4 if it doesn't come installed on your device, then root using the easyroot tool. I installed a plastic wet install screen protector directly over the asf and it seems to reduce the ghost touches. Currently I run the stock Sony rom rooted with xsposed modules to tweak statusbar and give four buttons for softkeys with custom icons. Also sdcard fix for write access to sd.
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You can update to 4.4.4 if it doesn't come installed on your device, then root using the easyroot tool. I installed a plastic wet install screen protector directly over the asf and it seems to reduce the ghost touches. Currently I run the stock Sony rom rooted with xsposed modules to tweak statusbar and give four buttons for softkeys with custom icons. Also sdcard fix for write access to sd.
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As @adfurgerson said, if the ZU is not on 4.4.4 the update to that either by OTA for by manually flashing a FTF (see stickies again). once on 4.4.4 the root with easyroot, install superSU, back up TA, install xposed and all should be good in the world.
The OTA to 5.0 (.1?) will either wipe root of will fail with root (I think only 1 OTA managed to work well with root) so you will have to flash a FTF to get the latest Lollipop when it arrives. Root is easy if you unlock the bootloader, if you want to keep the bootloader locked then it is wait for an exploit time.
I got mine on eBay, as an early present ? for me. ? headphone jack was defective, so Sony replaced the one I sent in with a new device. One week , from when FedEx picked up defective phone ? , to the delivery ? of the model I am writing from.
I am running stock Sony, as I am far from being tech savvy with my gadgets.
Actually synced all my contacts ,and apps from Google ,so setup was very easy. Strongly suggest to back up to your Google account ,as well as using PCC for backup as well.
Got a genuine Sony DK30 at a good priceline eBay as well , which I highly recommend, since there seems to be problems with the USB port flap staying closed.
Hooked on the big screen, plus LTE, which I have at&t as my provider here in the US. Speeds here in my rural area are disappointing, will see how they are when I travel to NYC later this week.
Otherwise, very satisfied with this mobile phone .
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I also splurged on ilLumishield screen protectors front and back, to prevent major scratches, and a liquid screen cleaner for smudges on this, and my Xperia L and Vaio notebook. Rubber plastic case for protection, cheap from eBay, but looking at the Sony cover w/stylus and built in battery, that seems to be very expensive, whether on Amazon or eBay.
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Great, quality replies! Love it.
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You can update to 4.4.4 if it doesn't come installed on your device, then root using the easyroot tool. Currently I run the stock Sony rom rooted with xsposed modules to tweak statusbar and give four buttons for softkeys with custom icons. Also sdcard fix for write access to sd.
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As @adfurgerson said, if the ZU is not on 4.4.4 the update to that either by OTA for by manually flashing a FTF (see stickies again). once on 4.4.4 the root with easyroot, install superSU, back up TA, install xposed and all should be good in the world.
The OTA to 5.0 (.1?) will either wipe root of will fail with root (I think only 1 OTA managed to work well with root) so you will have to flash a FTF to get the latest Lollipop when it arrives. Root is easy if you unlock the bootloader, if you want to keep the bootloader locked then it is wait for an exploit time.
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Yes, I thought the jump to Lollipop would wipe any root. Presuming incremental updates are possible (even if/when Lollipop is available to me, I have the choice to only update to 4.4.4 and not to latest) I will follow the advice. I am new to Android to would actually like to play around with the old 4.x first, just out of curiosity.
I have no immediate interest in unlocking the bootloader (ie to load custom ROMs) but would do so if it makes rooting practical. But, I don't need root immediate- at least, I don't think I do. I like Titanium backup, but even that shouldn't be critical for the first few weeks. I need to read up a little more, starting with blueether's sticky.
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Got a genuine Sony DK30 at a good priceline eBay as well , which I highly recommend, since there seems to be problems with the USB port flap staying closed. Hooked on the big screen, plus LTE, which I have at&t as my provider here in the US. Speeds here in my rural area are disappointing, will see how they are when I travel to NYC later this week. Otherwise, very satisfied with this mobile phone .
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The DK30 is on my list, as is a Magnector X as I need 2 and can't decide from opinions which is better. What are you using to connect to your big screen? USB/MHL or Miracast? I don't want to use the USB flap on a daily basis so thinking of getting a Netgar PTV3000.
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I also splurged on ilLumishield screen protectors front and back, to prevent major scratches, and a liquid screen cleaner for smudges on this, and my Xperia L and Vaio notebook. Rubber plastic case for protection, cheap from eBay, but looking at the Sony cover w/stylus and built in battery, that seems to be very expensive, whether on Amazon or eBay.
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I spent more time reading up on the topic of ASF and screen protectors, and I'm getting a little worried. It seems a feather can crack ASF! Altough I will use the device very carefully (indoors, just fingers) it seems best I get some screen protection. I don't want to remove the ASF, at least not until I settle in with the device, consensus seems to suggest adding a protector on top of the ASF may cause some pointing issues and reduce clarity somewhat but it is not terrible. I would prefer the really dry (static) types, that come off with ease- don't want residue/chemicals involved. I don't need impact protection so leaning away from tempered glass, which also tend to be quiet expensive. Some glass protectors I've had have been very grippy (I have moist figures/humid climate), in a way I prefer the grittier lower quality plastics for feel. I will look into dry plastic variants.
I saw the only good video on the iLumishield (SamTheeGeek on youtube), but installation wasn't shown. Any idea how/what taking it off would be like? Also, looks very shiny. I took a quick look on their site and I see a few options including matte option. Which do you have frothe3? I like the prices, $10-15 for 2-3 packs. I wonder how these compare with ones like Clarivue which seem to come up a lot in searches.
I just purchased the illumishield Blue Light screen protectors front and back, because it is supposed to be easier on the ? eyes, causing less eyestrain .
I'm a novice myself, I never root, and only flashed a branded device to generic once, with my Xperia X10a several years ago . Brings advantages and disadvantages ,the advantages won out in the end.
For throwing video ? ,I believe Mirracast or DLNA is the way to go.
I really like having an unlocked mobile Phone .
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The illumishield got lots of positive feedback on Amazon, that is why I chose them over any other screen protector. They have three different types. I would go to their website to check out illumishield. Would also check out the one you mentioned on Amazon, to check reviews, before you go and buy.
This novice wishes you luck ? .
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I just purchased the illumishield Blue Light screen protectors front and back, because it is supposed to be easier on the ? eyes, causing less eyestrain .
The illumishield got lots of positive feedback on Amazon, that is why I chose them over any other screen protector. They have three different types. I would go to their website to check out illumishield. Would also check out the one you mentioned on Amazon, to check reviews, before you go and buy.
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Thanks. illumishield definitely passes the Amazon test. Reviews look good. I wanted to see some detailed videos/pictures, but will trust the reviews.
It looks like the application (and removal) is easy, without much mess. I will stick on top of ASF, want to put on and take off without using chemicals. This is very important, and illumishield seems similar to the Clarivue I was looking at (not as popular a brand/product).
Going by their site, I see the 3 types: regular, matte, with blue light filter, in sets of 2 or 3, just front screen or both front and back. I've seen general recommendations (not specific to illumishield) to "stay away from matte" due to distortion in both sharpness and color (rainbow effect). I will be using indoors (home/office) with lights from ceiling (sometimes strong flurescent/spot lights) so am concerned shininess will be a major issue. In videos the screen looks really shiny.
This is the first time I'm seeing the blue filter you have- does it actually work in reducing eye strain and does it look different (worse colors or sharpness)?
I will be using a case so the back protection isn't too important, I presume the back is always the same. I might buy one set with back and another just fronts to test. I have to try to find some comparisons between blue filter and regular, if blue looks the same (color/clarity quality) I'll go for the blue and maybe a matte.
The matte option apparently reduces pixel clarity, even the good brand ones like illumishield. I will first try the regular before the more expensive blue filter or matte if too shiny. Unfortunately, illumishield is not available in Europe (I'm in studying the UK for the next year), and they charge crazy amount for shipping and will take 3 weeks to arrive. For now, I'll have to make do with a cheaper type and pick up illumishield when back stateside.
Hey,
I just bought a Z Ultra myself and after searching and reading a lot on the forums I'm still left with a few questions.
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-take care with magnetic cables-- can brick your device if you put them on the wrong way. Not officially supported by Sony.
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How can you tell if you put them on the right way? I ordered a magnetic adapter from Amazon (it hasn't arrived yet) and now I'm worried that I will use it wrong.
Also I'm a bit confused about Lollipop for this device. Apparently there is an officially version for the GP Edition which will be ported over to the normal edition. Right now I'm on stock Android (4.4.4) but I want to install a custom ROM as soon as possible. Should I wait for Lollipop or will this take another few weeks/months?
And is there any ROM/kernel combination you can recommend? Right now I'm thinking about using SlimKat.
Thanks for your help.
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Hey,
How can you tell if you put them on the right way? I ordered a magnetic adapter from Amazon (it hasn't arrived yet) and now I'm worried that I will use it wrong.
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So, to start off with you use these cables at your own risk. Since they're not made by Sony, there aren't necessarily controls for quality or standards. Sony wouldn't have to service your phone for a non-recommended third party cable (again, YMMV as it has for users here). Go with a reputable source, with established positive reviews for the product itself to be safe. This said, I personally use one regularly and I'm hoping it's not doing any damage (but I also know my regional Sony Service Centre will likely service it).
CORRECT USAGE:
As you'll notice from the magnetic port on your phone, there are two small prongs. One is larger and more oval shaped while the other is more circular. See the picture below where the left port is the larger one:
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Correspondingly the adapter will have two female spaces that are differently sized for the prongs. That's how you know which way they go. In this image the bottom port larger to accommodate the larger prong:
Image 2: http://goo.gl/9vsSBN
That's how you know for sure. As a rule of thumb, it seems most manufacturers align the cables so the cord is going down the phone is held in portrait.
The port is intended to be used with a dock, which eliminates the problem of putting it in the wrong way. With a cable, it's too easy for the magnets to connect the opposite ways and bring your device, which is probably why Sony has never made magnetic cables.
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Also I'm a bit confused about Lollipop for this device. Apparently there is an officially version for the GP Edition which will be ported over to the normal edition. Right now I'm on stock Android (4.4.4) but I want to install a custom ROM as soon as possible. Should I wait for Lollipop or will this take another few weeks/months?
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The first port of the Lollipop GPE is here (unlocked bootloader (UB) only at time of this post):
http://goo.gl/7RtQ7o
The Kitkat GPE port is available for both locked and unlocked bootloaders:
http://goo.gl/HjAnzC
They are excellent.
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And is there any ROM/kernel combination you can recommend? Right now I'm thinking about using SlimKat.
Thanks for your help.
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The recommended practice is to use the kernel that comes zipped with the ROM so you have one that works as intended for installation. I would look through the ROM's threads for other kernel recommendations.
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Wow, thank you so much for this detailed answer. I really appreciate it.
The Lollipop port looks pretty good but I'll probably wait a little longer before I flash anything. The magnetic adapter should arrive in a few days and I'll just mark both connectors to avoid any mistakes.
Thanks again and have a good day!
This is a good thread been an android fan for a few years upgrading slowly and bought this lovely monster. Little niggles is its sometimes unresponsive pressing the power button and sometimes slows down for no reason. Stamina not really helpful so will try battery guru. Rooted now and xposed on it running greenify and bootmanager running better. Installed dual recovery and now pondering on the next steps to go.
My phone arrived a few days ago, let me provide an update and ask a few more question in bold:
- great device, very happy.
- it came with 4.4.4 (14.4.A.0.108), I'm not sure if the vendor (Expansys UK) applied updates (the unit is new but the box not sealed) or came like this from Sony. I won't root until Lollipop issues resolved, my biggest reason to root is for host file editing (Adaway)
- after peeling off the heavy duty screen protection (not ASF, the thing that comes with most you are supposed to remove) I applied a screen protector. I was going to order an Illumishield but they were too expensive (about $20 including shipping for 2 pairs of front and backs) and would take at least 10 days (probably more given time of year) to be shipped from US to UK. Instead I bought ebay 360780294389, 5 pack (fronts only) for about $4. I applied the first one, no problems, screen looks good, not too shiny. I have not removed the plastic layer (with instructions) on the back, I thought about applying one of my screen protectors on the back but these are somewhat firm plastic, I presume the ones intended for back are more flexible/different?
- I've placed the phone in a case (and so the back protection should be OK). I do not recommend 121248924363, it may work if you straighten out the back and use glue to stick the rubber and plastic pieces together but overall it felt like something from a dollar store. I recommend ebay 181400289992. This won't protect against heavy bashing but provides good feel in hand and scratch/slip protection to the back without being too thick. I had to widen the magnetic charging port, it would not accommodate the plug. I am using the cable removed from genuine Sony DK30. After much thought, I went with this over Magnector for peace of mind. No brand cheap stuff off ebay for some accessories are fine, I would never risk it with batteries, chargers, etc. The cable would fairly easily come loose without the case, with the case it's really good and only comes off when I want it to. With the case it won't fit the dock (even with the wider case option) so you would have to sandpaper it to make it wider. I will order another DK30 and take the cable out to have a second cable.
If I use the phone more like a tablet at home/office, is it better to keep it plugged in (fully charged) or unplug/run down and charge back up again? Also, is it possible to switch off the green LED signalling charge above 90%?
Somewhat related, must the power button really be used to wake device? I was expecting tapping on screen would do it. Power button is a bit difficult to hit with the case.
I installed a few apps from Google Play, mostly from the big players. Is it safe to assume all apps have been vetted properly? (like Apple store) Some apps require access to things that don't make any sense, so I avoid them. Also, when an app has access to certain things e.g. SD media card read/write, am I correct this is always restricted to the sandbox of the app and not full system/card wide?
I will be migrating my web surfing from PC to ZU. On PC, I've used Firefox with various add-ons and, most importantly, an edited hosts file for over 5 years now. For hosts file, it seems Adaway simplifies the manual editing but all this requires root. For now, I'll put up with ads, need to read up still on rooting. Having been a long time FF user, I tried the Android app but was disappointed it is noticeable slower to load pages and does not scroll smootly like Chrome. I tried Puffin which seemed OK, quiet fast. I have not tried Dolphin or Opera which seem to be the other big ones but I have a feeling I'll keep using Chrome. It seems most optimized, in a way it feels like part of the OS and not "an app" on top.
Chrome doesn't support add-ons, which I thought would be a deal breaker but thinking about it almost all of my FF add-ons on PC are to undo the functionality lost over the years with FF updates- mostly looks, so not relevant to Chrome on Android. At this stage, the biggest miss is my Youtube experience for which I used GreaseMonkey scripts on FF PC. The Youtube app plays videos fine but the interaction is so minimalist- no comments, can't easily jump from a video to user page, etc. Playing video via Chrome results in very choppy quality.
After about 10 hours of web browsing with Chrome, my biggest annoyances (besides the adds I will address with root later) is not being able to make the "request dekstop site" option stick. With a display size this big in widescreen mode, I find almost always prefer the original site over mobile versions or apps. I like the notification function from apps, but wish it could be represented in widgets like tiles on Windows. But, in general both apps and mobile look a bit childish on the ZU.
Is Chrome generally the best overall experience on the ZU? I'm particularly interested in non-Chrome fans, like FF users on PC. I have heard hit & miss things about Dolphin and Opera, I will probably try them in a few days but interested in the community view.
I have to find a way to get my bookmarks and passwords from PC to ZU. I see a few opions, I don't want to do this via sync so I would probably go via SD card.
2 misc questions:
The Google search widget: I thought when I tried this in the store, clicking on the search box (not the microphone) brought up the keyboard on top of the home screen (not a full new screen). Am I misremembering?
The charger (EP880) whines already. I'm used to chargers eventually whining after some months but not from day 1. Is it just mine or are they all like this?
I put on ilLumishield screen protectors front and back on my Z Ultra today, screen looks really good.
Unfortunately, detritus and bubbles are underneath, a little disappointed and distracting. But I really like the illumishield, and the feel and feedback from the screen is very good.
Also highly recommend Bryson Screen Cleaner, got it for my bare screen on Xperia J. Phenomenal! Cleans without streaks, although smells disgusting. Screen on Sony Vaio notebook computer ? is the cleanest since it was new.
Rubber plastic case, which is basic, but no longer care for. So, have to look for another GOOD phone case.
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I put on ilLumishield screen protectors front and back on my Z Ultra today, screen looks really good.
Unfortunately, detritus and bubbles are underneath, a little disappointed and distracting. But I really like the illumishield, and the feel and feedback from the screen is very good.
Also highly recommend Bryson Screen Cleaner, got it for my bare screen on Xperia J. Phenomenal! Cleans without streaks, although smells disgusting. Screen on Sony Vaio notebook computer ? is the cleanest since it was new.
Rubber plastic case, which is basic, but no longer care for. So, have to look for another GOOD phone case.
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Thanks, unfortunately this does not answer any of my questions.
Can you tell me if the back protector with your illumishield is different/thinner material or just like the front?
Hey guys, I was planning on switching from a Zenfone 2 4/64gb to a Z5 or even Z3 compact, mainly due to the size. I love my Zenfone, but I loathe it's hugeness, and I'm a "Compact" lover. Now, with the improvements made over the Z3 compact, I'm leaning towards the Z5C. But since the device is relatively new, I'm having troubles finding any defects or stuff that I should know/expect about (like z3's self-cracking screen). What other issues should I expect or be aware?
Here's what I expect:
1) Probable overheating due to SD810 -- 50/50 though since I think they put in the newer SD810, v2.1 I think?
2) Possible faulty flap(s) that compromises water/dust proof
3) Usual button wear and tear, or button defect -- how long before a button wears out?
4) A couple of software issues
What I'm thinking about:
1) Does this device have the self-cracking screen/glass like Z3C?
2) Does this device have a faulty headphone port like Z3C?
3) How large of a gap is there between Z5C and Z3C with regards to specs and features?
4) With respect to #3, is Z5C worth it over the Z3C in the performance and camera aspects?
5) Coming from a Zenfone 2 4/64gb, would it be a downgrade or an upgrade?
Thanks a lot for those who answer!
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Hey guys, I was planning on switching from a Zenfone 2 4/64gb to a Z5 or even Z3 compact, mainly due to the size. I love my Zenfone, but I loathe it's hugeness, and I'm a "Compact" lover. Now, with the improvements made over the Z3 compact, I'm leaning towards the Z5C. But since the device is relatively new, I'm having troubles finding any defects or stuff that I should know/expect about (like z3's self-cracking screen). What other issues should I expect or be aware?
Here's what I expect:
1) Probable overheating due to SD810 -- 50/50 though since I think they put in the newer SD810, v2.1 I think?
2) Possible faulty flap(s) that compromises water/dust proof
3) Usual button wear and tear, or button defect -- how long before a button wears out?
4) A couple of software issues
What I'm thinking about:
1) Does this device have the self-cracking screen/glass like Z3C?
2) Does this device have a faulty headphone port like Z3C?
3) How large of a gap is there between Z5C and Z3C with regards to specs and features?
4) With respect to #3, is Z5C worth it over the Z3C in the performance and camera aspects?
5) Coming from a Zenfone 2 4/64gb, would it be a downgrade or an upgrade?
Thanks a lot for those who answer!
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1)heat is most definitely an issue, mine gets so hot I have to stop using it..
2) only one flap and it seems pretty sturdy. This is my first phone witg a flap since old flip phones though.
3) I use double tap to wake, but I have on my eBay watch list new button ribbons and they're surprisingly cheap for a fingerprint scanner!
4) my phone is only days old so I haven't gotten much use on it yet. I need to root and whatnot to get the functionality I want. It's no cm12 but it's not anywhere near as bad as touch wiz.
1) yes, white phones are more prone to it I believe. I found a few threads while looking up what type of screen these have.
2) I came from Samsung s4 mini so I couldn't answer that.
3) the z3 compacts flaps and USB location was enough for me to settle with the s4 mini, i really hate side charging. Z5 fingerprint scanner was the selling point for me on the upgrade!
4) the Z3C is rated for better battery, but the Z5C has a better front camera. Other than that it comes down to ergonomics and processors, which Z5C wins hands down.
5) http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Asus-ZenFone-2,Sony-Xperia-Z5-Compact/phones/9050,9611 I'd say a downgrade in specs, but upgrade in ergonomics just witg size and screen.
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1)heat is most definitely an issue, mine gets so hot I have to stop using it..
2) only one flap and it seems pretty sturdy. This is my first phone witg a flap since old flip phones though.
3) I use double tap to wake, but I have on my eBay watch list new button ribbons and they're surprisingly cheap for a fingerprint scanner!
4) my phone is only days old so I haven't gotten much use on it yet. I need to root and whatnot to get the functionality I want. It's no cm12 but it's not anywhere near as bad as touch wiz.
1) yes, white phones are more prone to it I believe. I found a few threads while looking up what type of screen these have.
2) I came from Samsung s4 mini so I couldn't answer that.
3) the z3 compacts flaps and USB location was enough for me to settle with the s4 mini, i really hate side charging. Z5 fingerprint scanner was the selling point for me on the upgrade!
4) the Z3C is rated for better battery, but the Z5C has a better front camera. Other than that it comes down to ergonomics and processors, which Z5C wins hands down.
5) http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Asus-ZenFone-2,Sony-Xperia-Z5-Compact/phones/9050,9611 I'd say a downgrade in specs, but upgrade in ergonomics just witg size and screen.
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Thanks a lot for the answers! Oh, so the dreaded self-cracking screen is also seen in the z5c. Anyway, as much as I want to get one, it looks like it's too expensive here, so I may have to think about it again. Thanks again! I'll close this thread down.