http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/1...-pixel-exclusive-non-pixel-exclusive-changes/
Huge slap in the face to loyal Nexus customers. It feels like they are abandoning all things Nexus. For the first time ever I am not buying the new Nexus (Pixel) device on launch day. No innovation and overpriced. $650 for a 1080p screen? Google is turning into Apple.
Seriously Google? I payed 500 dollars for a phone that was promised to have often updates and new features but instead i am left with this? Screw you Google, my next phone will be an iPhone, at least they know how to implement SOFTWARE RELATED features to their older flagships
Google can lock the door on us. But we have devs that can pick locks!!!!!
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Google can lock the door on us. But we have devs that can pick locks!!!!!
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What are the chances this happens? I ordered a pixel, but would be totally fine cancelling it if the 6p (through a rom) was able to run the exact pixel experience. I also want to switch to fi, so would rooting/flashing a rom limit this?
Bye bye Google...
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Pixel Launcher was supposed to be exclusive as well... The same to night light... I'm already using both on my 6p.
I really don't think the assistant won't be available to us.
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This whole Google Assistant is a mess. I thought Google Now was the assistant? Why not just integrate it in current Google Now and call it a day? Instead now we have OS with Google Assistant exclusive to Pixel and Nexus line needs a ****ty Allo Messenger in order to use the assistant? Makes no sense whatsoever
Pretty sure the assistant is a 7.1 feature we will get. Launcher you can sideload or use Nova to get same features. Not really sure what else is exclusive? Navigation keys? Already have them.
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My indignation is simmering. Ubergizmo also stated that Assistant will be a Pixel exclusive, for now. What the heck is the Nexus lineup worth, then?
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This whole Google Assistant is a mess. I thought Google Now was the assistant? Why not just integrate it in current Google Now and call it a day? Instead now we have OS with Google Assistant exclusive to Pixel and Nexus line needs a ****ty Allo Messenger in order to use the assistant? Makes no sense whatsoever
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Google assistant is the evolution of Google now/ now on tap.....
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Seriously Google? I payed 500 dollars for a phone that was promised to have often updates and new features but instead i am left with this? Screw you Google, my next phone will be an iPhone, at least they know how to implement SOFTWARE RELATED features to their older flagships
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I get updates often..... Actually within the hour of release.
I saw 3 exclusives for Pixel Phone in this Section thread.
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I get updates often..... Actually within the hour of release.
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Then why do Nexus phone have both Google Now and Google Assistant ? Shouldnt it be just one service ?
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Then why do Nexus phone have both Google Now and Google Assistant ? Shouldnt it be just one service ?
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Nexus phones don't have Google assistant.....Allo does. And it's limited to the app
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Nexus phones don't have Google assistant.....Allo does. And it's limited to the app
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But why ? it makes no sense. Pixel has Google Assistant in OS, Nexus has same assistant in Allo, and Google Now is for what ? Google Assistant is supposed to replace Google Now thats it
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But why ? it makes no sense. Pixel has Google Assistant in OS, Nexus has same assistant in Allo, and Google Now is for what ? Google Assistant is supposed to replace Google Now thats it
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Assistant is integrated into the whole OS, it's not just an app, it goes much deeper right through the whole OS. Assistant will replace Google Now in the future on all Android devices but it's being held back to give the Pixel a major selling advantage.
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Assistant is integrated into the whole OS, it's not just an app, it goes much deeper right through the whole OS. Assistant will replace Google Now in the future on all Android devices but it's being held back to give the Pixel a major selling advantage.
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I feel that this is the more reasonable reason as to why google assistant is not on the nexus. And I hope this is true. I like to think that people who came to android, especially the nexus lines, love to play with new shiny stuff early! and we're pissed because we're getting shafted by a few months for a few new features.
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Seriously Google? I payed 500 dollars for a phone that was promised to have often updates and new features but instead i am left with this? Screw you Google, my next phone will be an iPhone, at least they know how to implement SOFTWARE RELATED features to their older flagships
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You're getting frequent security updates and major version releases with new features, you just did with 7.0 and in 2017 will be getting 7.1 you're talking like google just switched off your phone permanently, assistant, the camera and a couple of other things are using brand new hardware specific features, they can't bring everything to all the old devices and even if they could why would they? They need to sell devices to make money and stay in business.
Apple are notorious for updating phones and making them redundant and slow, you don't see force touch on the older devices, you won't see bokeh on the older devices and Siri didn't make the cut at one point. Regardless IOS has barely changed in years whereas android has come on in leaps and bounds. Whatsmore if you really want value out of your phone the community here will port features forward, the N5 was dropped and the community picked up the slack, the HTC HD2 can run nougat for Pete's sake... Good luck getting that sort of community with Apple.
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You're getting frequent security updates and major version releases with new features, you just did with 7.0 and in 2017 will be getting 7.1 you're talking like google just switched off your phone permanently, assistant, the camera and a couple of other things are using brand new hardware specific features, they can't bring everything to all the old devices and even if they could why would they? They need to sell devices to make money and stay in business.
Apple are notorious for updating phones and making them redundant and slow, you don't see force touch on the older devices, you won't see bokeh on the older devices and Siri didn't make the cut at one point. Regardless IOS has barely changed in years whereas android has come on in leaps and bounds. Whatsmore if you really want value out of your phone the community here will port features forward, the N5 was dropped and the community picked up the slack, the HTC HD2 can run nougat for Pete's sake... Good luck getting that sort of community with Apple.
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Lol, because there is no force touch displays on older generations of an iPhone. The same thing goes to bokeh, iPhone 7+ has it because of dual camera system. At least apple shares new features with last year's phones, while Google just does not care about us anymore. I don't care how many custom roms my 6P can run, I prefer stock and i bought it for sake of having pure android from google with fast and featured updates. If the only thing i cared about was custom roms I would go for 1+1 or Xiaomi or Motorola that also have plenty of custom roms
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Lol, because there is no force touch displays on older generations of an iPhone. The same thing goes to bokeh, iPhone 7+ has it because of dual camera system. At least apple shares new features with last year's phones, while Google just does not care about us anymore. I don't care how many custom roms my 6P can run, I prefer stock and i bought it for sake of having pure android from google with fast and featured updates. If the only thing i cared about was custom roms I would go for 1+1 or Xiaomi or Motorola that also have plenty of custom roms
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You've missed my point completely, the new features in the pixel are using new hardware, hence my examples with the iPhone. The new pixel has UFS storage and Qualcomm's and their own brand new silicone that make assistant a smooth experience they're willing to put their stamp of approval on, if they brought the features to the older devices they could very well be sluggish and you'd just moan about that instead. And you've just got new features with 7.0 and once more will be getting 7.1 with more features.
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So, I've owned only Android devices since I began buying smartphones and tablets, but I really feel like very little has changed with regards to Android's performance ever since the Snapdragon 800 in 2013. Even the addition of more RAM and higher-spec processors hasn't really changed much about the AOSP experience, and my old (GPE-converted) Galaxy S4 still feels like I could throw most anything at it.
With the Nexus 6P finally bringing the last few things I really wanted in a mobile phone (the fingerprint sensor, metal, 1440p AMOLED, pure Android without compromising the camera, USB-C), I'm really thinking that this may be my last Android phone for a long while. I feel like, while equally unnecessary, the N6P will offer the pinnacle of stock Android, while rounding out the feature set of all I look for. I was debating whether to cheap out and buy a N5X for dev and general mucking about, but I think I will instead commit to getting the 6P for the above reasons.
My last upgrade to the G3 was almost unnecessary, even though I love the phone. I only upgraded, since my S4's power button broke and headphone jack got a bit wonky. Had that not happened, I think I'd be still using it today as my DD. I didn't even feel the itch to upgrade to any of this year's devices (except the Nexus phones and the buzz around the fp sensor and camera), and I've already had the device for more than a year.
While it may be an unpopular opinion around these parts, I think I may switch to an iPhone (probably the 7+) when my contract is up just to see how that platform improves over the next couple of years. A second GB of RAM totally changed that phone, which shows just how behind they are in some aspects, and where potential lies. I just don't see Android making any earth-shattering changes, mostly because it doesn't need to anymore. OEMs drive their own crap update cycle by bogging down their updates and the like, a problem which never existed on my GPE-converted S4, and won't exist on the Nexus.
Don't really know why I felt like making this post, but I did. :silly:
I agree with you on certain points.
But remember,
my old (GPE-converted) Galaxy S4 still feels like I could throw most anything at it.
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You did something to your phone in order to be fast / smooth / etc. While we as a community continue to do this and find ways to improve everything.. Android (stock) has come a long way.
I'm really thinking that this may be my last Android phone for a long while.
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You reasoning for this is there is nothing really new on Android and Android phones haven't really evolved much but the same goes for iOS. This coming from someone who keeps going back and forth from Android to iOS. iOS is much more polished and needs less specs to run smooth, but you also have to remember they only have to worry about support their own hardware. And while yes, there has been phone upgrades from Apple (bigger screen, etc.), this is stuff Android has been doing for a long time.
It's kind of hard honestly.. after a certain point.. development / upgrades happen slower.. when jumping from phone to phone now, things don't seem like much of an upgrade. I think that's because we upgrade phones so often now, we don't notice the differences as much. But say you had to keep your S4 for another year without the ability to root / install a custom ROM, I'm sure you'd be all over the N6P.
While XDA has made Android development much bigger and contributed in a positive way, it has also kind of spoiled us and made us think the way you are.
For me the big things that keep me on android are customization and the ability to do what I want with the phone (not what Apple or anyone else wants me to do). I would love to say this would be my last phone for a while but 2 things will prevent that....
1. I'm a tech junkie
2. Android support is 2 years
Well, the LG G3 isnt the best phone... you'll probably like the Nexus 6P a LOT!
I said that with the Nexus 6. I might still keep the Nexus 6 but I'm at least going to give the 6P a shot.
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I'm not far behind but not because Android vs Apple but because my life centers around MS products. I work in IT, exclusively with MS products. Why is my mobile device on a different ecosystem?
I'm excited for what MS has in store for their APIs that allow ios and Android apps to behave as if they're in their natural environment. I think this approach is going to flatten the playing field and OS will no longer matter.
Now if they could just make tech without built in obsolescion the market will start filling with devices that have purpose instead of purely consumerism. There WILL be a threshold of device waste that will force our hand.
Excel made some good points. And I too felt the same about not seeing much improvement from my phone but the continuous development thru ROMs makes it seems like the progress is small but it not....if you tally up the progress over the 1 year iPhone life cycle it is a lot of progress.
Google has too many things going on and unfortunately doesn't take the time to perfect their products except their search engine. They rather create a new product versus refining an existing one.
Imagine if google only had drive, no gmail, no G+, a tablet, one PC, and Android that ran on a single phone from one manufacturer....say LG. And Kept that same phone and just improved the hardware each year and the software as well....and diverted all other efforts towards perfecting that single device. That phone would be light years ahead of apple. Instead google has close to 200 products and services they wear themselves thin with. And tackling the immense task of attempting to make android run seemless and smooth on
Almost 19,000 devices instead of on just a handful of devices plus one phone is the difference between google and apple.
With that said and even with google continuing to expand like they do....I still think Google's android os running on top tier android devices will surpass IPhones in all aspects in couple years.
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Exel said:
You did something to your phone in order to be fast / smooth / etc. While we as a community continue to do this and find ways to improve everything.. Android (stock) has come a long way.
You reasoning for this is there is nothing really new on Android and Android phones haven't really evolved much but the same goes for iOS. This coming from someone who keeps going back and forth from Android to iOS. iOS is much more polished and needs less specs to run smooth, but you also have to remember they only have to worry about support their own hardware. And while yes, there has been phone upgrades from Apple (bigger screen, etc.), this is stuff Android has been doing for a long time
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Partially correct on the first point. It is fundamentally still "stock" (no kernel mods/custom features) on GPE firmware, but yes, I haven't tried stock since the original shipping firmware. I haven't rooted my phones since putting GPE on the S4. My Nexus 9, the G3, and the S4 all run unrooted, the former two of which are on stock firmware. The biggest pain about Android is debloating carrier crapware, a problem nonexistent on Nexus devices.
I feel like Android has matured to the point that there is little left to give. As far as supporting their own stuff, that's why I feel like the N6P would be the ultimate.
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For me the big things that keep me on android are customization and the ability to do what I want with the phone (not what Apple or anyone else wants me to do). I would love to say this would be my last phone for a while but 2 things will prevent that....
1. I'm a tech junkie
2. Android support is 2 years
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I agree, but customisation is so easy to do on Android without mods or root. The only other phone I was considering was the S6 edge +, which is also comparably restrictive. I just haven't felt the need to root since the S4.
An iPhone, on the other hand, I would be keen to jailbreak instantly. Quite a lot of interesting tweaks come out of Apple's "crack R&D team" (like swipeselection....), and jailbreaking is the only way to stay on that edge and get appropriate customisation.
I would also be using pretty much solely Google apps there anyway, since the default apps are kinda terrible.
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Google has too many things going on and unfortunately doesn't take the time to perfect their products except their search engine. They rather create a new product versus refining an existing one.
Imagine if google only had drive, no gmail, no G+, a tablet, one PC, and Android that ran on a single phone from one manufacturer....That phone would be light years ahead of apple. Instead google has close to 200 products and services they wear themselves thin with.
With that said and even with google continuing to expand like they do....I still think Google's android os running on top tier android devices will surpass IPhones in all aspects in couple years.
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But the diversity is the beauty of Google. The fact that they move the ecosystem forward and have a constant stream of novelty across their business is what helps them succeed. Android itself doesn't really need more improvement, is my argument. It's already there, and their job is to create new services to drive the platform.
Android as an OS already far exceeds that of iOS IMO, especially with Google Now. What I want to see is how Apple catches , since their platform seems to still be in flux (as far as performance and service delivery goes).
You'll change your mind when they release the Nexus 14z, which will project it's 16k display directly to your brain, and be able to read your thoughts instead of having to speak "OK Google".
I'm serious, because Google will have perfected mind control by then and we'll all be drones.
All hail Masters Page and Brin, our merciful overlords!
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Seriously though, I admire your pragmatic upgrade preferences on smartphones.
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But the diversity is the beauty of Google. The fact that they move the ecosystem forward and have a constant stream of novelty across their business is what helps them succeed. Android itself doesn't really need more improvement, is my argument. It's already there, and their job is to create new services to drive the platform.
Android as an OS already far exceeds that of iOS IMO, especially with Google Now. What I want to see is how Apple catches , since their platform seems to still be in flux (as far as performance and service delivery goes).
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I agree with you the software is better but implementing all the services via the OS on a multitude of devices is a difficult task. However starting with this 6P nexus devices I think are on par with iPhone (hardware and software) and I bet will surpass the iPhone 7 next year.
I just wish they worked with one manufacturer to help perfect the hardware and built on a good hardware design instead of going back and forth with with hardware features and designs .....kinda like the 5x with 6P features.
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If the 6P lives up to the hype, the improvements left are physics stuff: battery life, moar camera, lighter/thinner/stronger, waterproof, sapphire display.
That said, iPhones have been such a bitter disappointment since the Gingerbread days. I'm on Apple for the most part (MBr, iMac 5k) and would consider switching to iOS but the differentiators that custom Androids offer simply aren't there, or even possible. The current crop of crippled hardware is missing too much. When Apple makes a real retina display (eg AMOLED 2k) and loses the oversized HTC-ish bezels it'll be worth another look. Assuming Apple gives out widgets, call recording & MinMinGuard too.
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For a Nexus device the support window is 3 years. N5 is 2 years old and just recieved Android 6.0. It will continue to get updates for atleast another full year. Unfortunately that is likely to end when android N comes next fall.
Interesting that this phone has everything you ever wanted. Did you know you wanted a 1440p phone with a fingerprint scanner 2 years ago? Probably not. I'm sure innovation will continue, though maybe slowly. I'd like to see better battery tech.
This is how the technology cycle is. You cant have the same level of developments every year throughout the products/os cycle.
I believe many of the features we see added are already developed. They just hold back so they can have a balance of Big n small changes each year & also market couple of features as exclusives for the latest version.
It is the same with iOs as well. You will not see a lot of big changes. Many of them will be hardware based. As os's get more refined hardware dependency will reduce. Today you can get excellent performance from a mid range android device. Tomorrow it will spread to lower end devices aswell. In principal its a good thing.
Right now the top most focus for any R&D of software or hardware company is battery life. The company that cracks it will play a major role.
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If the 6P lives up to the hype, the improvements left are physics stuff: battery life, moar camera, lighter/thinner/stronger, waterproof, sapphire display.
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Really? People are still hung up on sapphire? Sapphire is brittle. I want foldable screens. I still believe Nokia's concept of a phone that trifolds and then bends to fit as a watch is the future. No more carrying a giant brick in my pocket.
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For a Nexus device the support window is 3 years. N5 is 2 years old and just recieved Android 6.0. It will continue to get updates for atleast another full year. Unfortunately that is likely to end when android N comes next fall.
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True... I guess for me I mean 2 years of getting a new android version but yeah technically 3 years support I suppose.
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Well, the LG G3 isnt the best phone... you'll probably like the Nexus 6P a LOT!
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A G3 running BlissPop ROM is truly a thing of beauty! It's incredibly compact and lightweight for a 5.5" phone, and it flies without the LG software on it. It has a great camera (a step behind the current best, but I've had very few pictures I wasn't very happy with), and the screen as much better than it's reputation indicates it should be ... mostly, I think, because the default brightness is quite low. And the battery life is quite good ... I end most days with 50% after about 1.5 hours of SOT.
I'm mostly upgrading to the 6P because I usually buy a new phone every 6-9 months, but it's been 14 months and I need a new shiny object to fondle. I'm honestly not expecting it to be a whole lot better than the G3 for me ... better screen, better speakers (I hope) and a fingerprint reader may or may not be enough to compensate for the substantial increase in bulk. I had a Note 5 for a week, and it just didn't feel like much of an improvement so I sent it back, which I have never done before.
And my G3 has a replaceable battery, and I could probably be happy with it for 5 more years, if I wasn't such a gadget whore.
Of course I certainly don't think an iPhone is the answer .... that's just ridiculous!
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Here's an idea...try to find a friend with an iPhone who would be willing to trade with you for a week or something. Wipe the phones, trade your SIMs and see how the other side lives.
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Though it had it's issues, the Nexus 6 strong enough in all the categories that I stuck with it for a full year. The only thing strong enough to pull me away now is the 6P. I fully expect it to keep me locked in for the next year as well. However, it could be good enough that I don't feel the need to upgrade to next year's nexus. Only time will tell.
Google has informed us that before the end of the calendar quarter (aka before 2017), Nexus devices and the Pixel C will receive a developer preview for Android 7.1 Nougat. It's unclear which Nexus devices will receive it, but the 6P and 5X definitely will, and the 6 and 9 might.
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According to AndroidPolice
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/1...vices-pixel-c-will-land-end-2016-dev-preview/
Nexus line is dead. This is the nail in the coffin.
No surprise they're not going to release their major Pixel selling point to Nexus devices. But yeah, the Nexus is dead. This menu updated have gone now.
I bought a nexus 2 months ago cause the nexus experience was awesome I want to cry....
Google try to make 7.1 special for Pixel Phone.
XDA will save the Day!
Who knows maybe a port can be done. Let's wait it out.
So disappointed with Google today...
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I bought a nexus 2 months ago cause the nexus experience was awesome I want to cry....
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Time to switch to Note 7!
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Time to switch to Note 7!
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That's a bomb! :laugh:
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Time to switch to Note 7!
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The note 7 is cheaper than the 128gb pixel xl. And pixel xl has like 10 less features. Horrible day for Google today...
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I bought a nexus 2 months ago cause the nexus experience was awesome I want to cry....
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Me too but it will stay awesome. We have all the developers on XDA.
Honestly only thing wrong with the Pixel is the price.
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Man.. Nexus 5x is the most expensive phone I've ever bought.
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Me too but it will stay awesome. We have all the developers on XDA.
Honestly only thing wrong with the Pixel is the price.
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The only thing wrong?
REALLY?
I bought a 6P because i like having the latest version of Android and I also develop on it. And because google promised it (which turns out as false advertising, at this point)
What now? Will be only 7.1 delayed or every release? We will see another major upgrade?
By what I saw today, google's intentions are not anymore in the nexus line, so I can't even expect another major version of Android this time around.
Google may haven't lost money, but they surely lost a lot of customers trust. And trust isn't easy to build.
But it seems they couldn't care less.
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The only thing wrong?
REALLY?
I bought a 6P because i like having the latest version of Android and I also develop on it. And because google promised it (which turns out as false advertising, at this point)
What now? Will be only 7.1 delayed or every release? We will see another major upgrade?
By what I saw today, google's intentions are not anymore in the nexus line, so I can't even expect another major version of Android this time around.
Google may haven't lost money, but they surely lost a lot of customers trust. And trust isn't easy to build.
But it seems they couldn't care less.
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Couldn't agree more. At this point I'm just convinced that Google is lost. They are trying so hard to re-invent themselves as some kind of Apple/Samsung/Amazon Wannabe that they have screwed everything up. I mean come on, Pixel EXCLUSIVE features? Seriously? Delayed releases for the Nexus Line?
Google you have just lost a customer today. My wife and kids wanted to move away from iPhone, and I was hoping for the Pixel to do so, but there's no way. I'm not even sure where to go now. I hate TouchWiz, I want a phone I can unlock the boot loader on, root, etc. Maybe the LG V20 will turn out better, but it's been MIA now for weeks.
I didn't realize until today how high of standards I hold my 6P too, and how I'll not be able to move away until something truly amazing comes along (and I'm really hung up on having front facing stereo speakers now)
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The note 7 is cheaper than the 128gb pixel xl. And pixel xl has like 10 less features. Horrible day for Google today...
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"features"
p.s. rip nexus you wont be forgotten.
By features he probably means gimmicks, lol.
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By features he probably means gimmicks, lol.
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Sd card slot, waterproofing, HDR screen, always on display, front firing speaker, wireless charging, OIS. There's a lot of good useful features the Pixel doesn't have and you could get in a phone cheaper.
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Man.. Nexus 5x is the most expensive phone I've ever bought.
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Well this sucks! I thought the nexus 6p would get at least android 8,but that is looking doubtful now
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The only thing wrong?
REALLY?
I bought a 6P because i like having the latest version of Android and I also develop on it. And because google promised it (which turns out as false advertising, at this point)
What now? Will be only 7.1 delayed or every release? We will see another major upgrade?
By what I saw today, google's intentions are not anymore in the nexus line, so I can't even expect another major version of Android this time around.
Google may haven't lost money, but they surely lost a lot of customers trust. And trust isn't easy to build.
But it seems they couldn't care less.
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Yup. I started android with HTC. Was burned with promised OS updates on the Hero, gave them a second chance and was burned again with promised OS updates on the Evo LTE, jumped to Nexus to avoid having that issue ever again and here I am wondering when we are going to get updates and what "features" are they going to withhold for no reason other than greed.
Like many of you, I was extremely disappointed to see what Google had to show us last night!
With the Pixel as the new Google phone and Google's decision to discontinue the Nexus series, Google clearly wants to appeal more to the masses, while it also means that the Nexus owners probably will experience less support from Google, primarily in terms of the lag of software updates...
This leaves a few questions I find it interesting to discuss; What will the future bring for Google, will they finally be a competitor to Apple and what will happen to the existing Nexus phones, will we be left in the dark?
This thread is meant to be a place to discuss and a place ti share your frustrations/excitement!
1,2,3... Go!
Pixel will be dead in few months, lets see what google will cook next.
Personally, after many years, I'm done with google.
Although I also think it's very likely there will be no more Nexus phones (though there are rumors of another Nexus tablet), has Google outright said there won't be any more?
I could imagine/hope that next year they reveal another Nexus device (maybe in the spring), then another Pixel device in the fall. They'd have the best of both worlds at that point. Nexus for the android enthusiasts, and Pixel for... the "former Apple enthusiasts and now Google enthusiasts"?
I don't know... that's just what I hope. All I know now is that I'm not switching from my 6P for a while.
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Pixel will be dead in few months, lets see what google will cook next.
Personally, after many years, I'm done with google.
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I feel the same way but the thing is that I don't know where to go instead... I don't like any other android manufacturers
johanjanning said:
I feel the same way but the thing is that I don't know where to go instead... I don't like any other android manufacturers
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ZTE Axon. Same screen as Pixel XL from Samsung, 820, OIS, same Pixel VR support, front facing speakers, better 32 bit DAC, all metal build, better looking, smaller bezels, overall a much better phone than Pixel starting at $399
zymphad said:
ZTE Axon. Same screen as Pixel XL from Samsung, 820, OIS, same Pixel VR support, front facing speakers, better 32 bit DAC, all metal build, better looking, smaller bezels, overall a much better phone than Pixel starting at $399
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But you don't get the Siri clone, or the 24 hour customer support with screen sharing.
Personally , At the moment, I don't see myself spending that pile of money for the new Pixel. Already been saying that today. Sound outrageous to me to pay at least 650$ for a 5" device with quicker shutter speed and an additional 1G of RAM.
I guess Google is moving towards the masses and the "iPhone look a like" crowed.
As for OS updates, since there aren't any other devices that are likely to get any faster updates, I'll stick with my 6P for as long as it will be alive.
Unfortunately I believe the Pixel line will succeed , eventually.
Nexus Not Dead.
I'll probably buy Pixel only after some price cuts.
Hopefully Google will realize their big mistake and revive the Nexus!ftw!
The only way these will sell well is if they push them out to all the carriers who push the cost to monthly installments. They also are going to have to spend a lot on an advertising campaign so the general public has any idea about the pixel. Maybe that's what they're going for this time. Otherwise, slash the prices by $200 to make it appealing at all to the Nexus crowd.
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I would enjoy the new pixel XL phone cause the bluetooth issues on my 6P drives me nuts. but theres no 64GB option at all. so either 32 or 128. and I will not pay $860 for a phone. I will wait until the price drops considerably before i consider buying the pixel. I suppose google decided that they had to retire the Nexus name if they wanted to start charging a grand for a phone. Nexus is supposed to be the "affordable" phone.
Honestly I'm pretty tilted, not just over what Google cooked up for us during last nights stream, but also their decision to kill Nexus as well. What good will this bring to them? All it's doing is alienate their customers even more. I understand that us enthusiasts are the 1% of the 1% but Google killing off their Nexus line and going for a more closed, more proprietary Android device with their Pixel line is not only going to make things harder for ROM/root devs but also sway away customers on Nexus for two things: price and customisation. At this point I might as well just get an iPhone and jailbreak, considering the fact that not only is the Pixel literally the same price as the iPhone, but also the fact that jailbreak does just as much these days, actually more, I can still use Apple Pay with a jailbreak.
What are you doing Google.
Hope things go better with the Pixel 2 or whatever the next phone in line is called.
I don't care about the nexus termination tbh. Though I did buy the 6p partly because its a nexus, it was never a deciding factor. Brand loyalty shouldn't be a thing now in 2016 since no company gives a crap about old customers anymore. If google wants to position itself as a premium phone brand then so be it, it just means that I wont be touching a pixel or any phone >$600. Have always bought products that make my money go the furthest taking quality, features and my needs into account. Its gonna be a tough day when the above-mentioned lead me away from Google products but it won't ultimately change my decision. For now the 6p still looks to have a good year or 2 for me until the tech evolves more
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....I understand that us enthusiasts are the 1% of the 1%
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then you should know our preferences and opinions matter naught. If us tinkerers are that important to the final sales figures I'm sure we would have seen prerooted samsung phones and jailbroken iphones being officially available products for purchase
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then you should know our preferences and opinions matter naught. If us tinkerers are that important to the final sales figures I'm sure we would have seen prerooted samsung phones and jailbroken iphones being officially available products for purchase
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You're spot on, to me XDA is about taking the mainstream and hacking and modding it for the enthusiasts, it's no fun if the devices are pre modded
I will buy 2nd hand 128GB XL next year.
I really hope the nexus is not dead. One the other hand if they market right and sell a lot of pixel devices uses will have proper android devices. A lot of I phone uses can't stand Samsung. They form their opinion a of android as Samsung. And honestly Samsung android ( touchwiz) is a bad example of the great system we here at XDA love
Well the nexus line might be dead but to me it doesn't mean "long live the new PIXEL king".
I don't see the PIXEL especially the XL device becoming a huge sales item.
It will at most be a niche device, losing the developers community.
Change this thread title to "The Pixel is dead DOA, and long live the Nexus spirit!"
I Love the Nexus Line and personally Nexus isn't Dead for me!
I hope Google will Launch the Google Assistant on Nexus, too. If Not, I hope the Great XDA Community will bring the Google Assistant or the whole Pixel System to our Nexus devices.
Yes the tittle should be the pixel already dead, long live the nexus
Hi I'm absolutely new to these forums but have owned nexus phones since the nexus 5. And the sole reason I left other OEMs is the software availability with fast updates. And that's how it's been these past few years. ... And now I just bought the Nexus 6P from moving in from Nexus 6. And I've read that Google is abandoning it's nexus lines on certain EOL dates and unfortunately nexus 6P isn't so far away.
But it isn't what has me mad. It's the fact that nexus devices are not going to receive fast updates anymore or receive the same treatment the Pixel phones are going to get ( updates )... I can care less about Google exclusive features for the Pixel but don't delay our updates. Especially when we bought our phones cause of this reason ... Not a lot of people can afford to buy a new phone every year. So I don't want Google to do us dirty.
So if you agree with me and don't agree with Google's decision then let's rebel and refuse to buy Google's Flagship and comment showing your ideas and support... let's start putting some control in consumers hands.
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My plan is,
I will buy 2nd hand 128GB XL next year.
I'm sitting on my Nexus 6P for one more year, then I think I'm going for the 10th anniversary iPhone.
Getting a bit sick and tired of Google's shenanigans after six years with Android.
Im Back to 6P a week ago before this bad news because this phone is great. I would like stay with him for next year and abandon android.
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My plan is,
I will buy 2nd hand 128GB XL next year.
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I can see that, but with the price it's keeping me away
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Im Back to 6P a week ago before this bad news because this phone is great. I would like stay with him for next year and abandon android.
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I'm not leaving for awhile , eventually ill experiment and try porting Pixel rom over to our device..
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Just got my 6P a month ago. I will keep it for as long as it will work. Later on probably either get a 2nd hand Pixel XL or as I did with this 6P , I will get a new PIXEL XL when the next phone on that line will be released.
As of now, Google has become Apple #2 for me.
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Just got my 6P a month ago. I will keep it for as long as it will work. Later on probably either get a 2nd hand Pixel XL or as I did with this 6P , I will get a new PIXEL XL when the next phone on that line will be released.
As of now, Google has become Apple #2 for me.
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I'll only get it when I can get a 128gb cheaply
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Same here. I mean I see no reason to switch my device of practically the same one i've already got. So I guess I'll either get me a used one for a cheap price OR, get a bran new one as I did with the 6P , like a Month or two before the new PIXEL XL will be launched.
I would love to own a new pixel xl but i cant justify the price. Ill stick with my 6p as it is the best phone ive ever owned. Maybe next years gPhone, if they learn their lesson.
Google is getting worse than Apple. It'd be nice to know if you could buy one device and it get timely stock Android updates for years. Old iPhones still getting updates, albeit they might be missing some features.
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That is completely unfair to Apple. Their hardware is gorgeous and robust, and the software just works (as long as you only use it as "uncle Steve" intended) and is, usually, far far more polished than anything available on Android. Case in point - the gyro and compass. Why do I need to manually recalibrate the compass on all Android phones I have ever owned to have the arrow pointing in the direction I am facing? And why do I never need to do this on my wife's iPhone, going back to at least one day he iPhone 3? Why do so many of us install the ios emojis over the grossly ugly ones from Google? These may seem like small things but they are part of the overall user experience.
Google is far more like Microsoft from the late 90s than Apple. Me too approaches, rough around the edges, and best suited for the pocket protector crowd that is willing to deal with the occasional BSOD for the sake of the ability to dink around.
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That is completely unfair to Apple. Their hardware is gorgeous and robust, and the software just works (as long as you only use it as "uncle Steve" intended) and is, usually, far far more polished than anything available on Android. Case in point - the gyro and compass. Why do I need to manually recalibrate the compass on all Android phones I have ever owned to have the arrow pointing in the direction I am facing? And why do I never need to do this on my wife's iPhone, going back to at least one day he iPhone 3? Why do so many of us install the ios emojis over the grossly ugly ones from Google? These may seem like small things but they are part of the overall user experience.
Google is far more like Microsoft from the late 90s than Apple. Me too approaches, rough around the edges, and best suited for the pocket protector crowd that is willing to deal with the occasional BSOD for the sake of the ability to dink around.
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Google are like a "beta" company. Scrapping hangouts for Allo and Duo is crazy as well it all feels very rough around the edges and scattergunned. I mean having Allo and Duo locked to one device.... WTF?!
I'm passing on pixel and if Google continues to dink around I'll either move to another Android maker or go back to Apple.
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I'm passing on pixel and if Google continues to dink around I'll either move to another Android maker or go back to Apple.
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See I won't. Longs my Nexus stays running fast and gets updates I rather stay with the phone I have. I'll wait till they come out with better looking pixel phones.
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See I won't. Longs my Nexus stays running fast and gets updates I rather stay with the phone I have. I'll wait till they come out with better looking pixel phones.
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The Nexus will get (official) updates until September 2017 and that's it. Not long away, sadly. I'm not even sure it'll get official "O".
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The Nexus will get (official) updates until September 2017 and that's it. Not long away, sadly. I'm not even sure it'll get official "O".
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We should get 1 more major Android update. ("O") when released
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We should get 1 more major Android update. ("O") when released
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Hopefully, yeah. Depends also if we get the whole 8 then 8.1 on the Pixel 2.
I cannot believe how pissed everyone is over this. You all act like Google has 7.1 complete for this phone and they're just not sending because of pixel. I highly doubt it's complete....it's not done and it might not be done because of pixel but who cares. Didn't we just get 7.0? We need major updates monthly now? Everyone is talking about going to Apple, go for it, if you don't end up back on Android I'd be surprised. I recently bought my wife and iPad pro for her birthday, it froze twice during setup....it doesn't "just work" any better than Android and it's boring as hell. The screen on my phone seems 100x better than it is on the iPad. If you want Apple to keep updating your four year old device making it unusable that's up to you.
Hey Guys,
So I have a question is anyone in the community porting stock lg android 10 software to the V30 at all, it would actually be quite cool to see and use as I think their android 10 rom actually looks cool.
Thanks all
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Hey Guys,
So I have a question is anyone in the community porting stock lg android 10 software to the V30 at all, it would actually be quite cool to see and use as I think their android 10 rom actually looks cool.
Thanks all
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New g android 10 is very cool now. Their new UX 9.1 is very similar to the Samsung's one ui. I wish someone could do it. But i think if someone have to work hard on LG stock android, i might say make a port of oxygen os 10. I really like that software. It's very fast. I've used it.
exactly
I wish stock android 10 for v30
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exactly
I wish stock android 10 for v30
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Wish all you want. I don't know anyone who could do it or will do it.
LG will decide late next year if they're going to do it. Probably not.
Not even all LG V30 have Pie yet.
You should be wanting better versions of Pie before asking for a completely new OS that would be crappy. Look how bad the first EU H930 Pie was. LG wouldn't even release it. First EU H930 Pie was 30b. 30a failed testing. Even H930 30b was HORRIBLE. Only with the third one -- which for unknown reasons they call 30q -- did it get stable.
Also, first US998 Pie KDZ is not great.
So, Android 10 would be a nightmare...
Agreed, I don't understand this obsession with having the latest OS. Unlike crapple-phones, we don't need a specific OS to get features added - those are being done through apps. I don't see any feature in Pie that I need today, so I'm still running Oreo.
Updated OS made a difference back in the ICS days, because things were still new, and certain apps needed OS-level features to work. But I'm not seeing that today, nor am I seeing any new features to be clamoring for?
In fact, my work phone has Pie and it's annoying because they changed the visuals to be "more like Apple". I don't need that crap... I wish they'd stop wasting their time making it look like a crappy iPhone. I bought an Android exactly because it's not an iPhone - why would I want it to look like one!? /rant
Of course, these are my opinions... so if you want to wish, keep on wishing...
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Agreed, I don't understand this obsession with having the latest OS. Unlike crapple-phones, ...
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Or Pixel/Nexus/ Oxygen OS.
Can't just AndroidFanboi and call out Apple while some Android OEM's are just as guilty.
Also I would rather own an Apple device over a Pixel any day. Also own an iPhone and the OS is much Superior to any Android OEM right now. I'm a huge Android fanboi but I go for facts over feelings.
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Or Pixel/Nexus/ Oxygen OS.
Can't just AndroidFanboi and call out Apple while some Android OEM's are just as guilty.
Also I would rather own an Apple device over a Pixel any day. Also own an iPhone and the OS is much Superior to any Android OEM right now. I'm a huge Android fanboi but I go for facts over feelings.
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I'm not out to start a flame war, to each his/her own. I find iOS to bey VERY limiting and inferior. Some of my colleagues use them at work, and they just don't work well for them. Unfortunately, they're handcuffed to the iOS platform, so they don't want to change - although some are working on doing that anyway. I've had many iPhone fans complain about the many issues with using those devices for work, so it's not just me.
Fact is, both platforms are pretty comparable but Android is far more flexible and allows for much more choice, even when just doing simple tasks. I find this to be true for MacOS as well - I had a computer company where I did service for all PCs, and so many customers had to run Parallels to do basic things, because there is no way to do it in Apple-land. One example - a customer wanted to print contacts so they could include it in their binder. Long story short, Apple just couldn't do it - their own pages said so. This is the kind of stuff that annoys me... there's no logical reason for this.
Again, not trying to sway you or anyone else. I am just speaking of my facts and use-cases, as well as the stories of countless people around me, so it's not just me.
I also agree that some platforms do a terrible job with updates... no argument there. Unfortunately, in today's world of software, everyone "expects" to require updates even on day 1 of a release. It's crazy and dumb, but just what we deal with today. Hell, a Vizio TV I just purchased for work needed multiple updates upon powerup... really?! Silly, but that's the world we live in.
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I'm not out to start a flame war, to each his/her own. I find iOS to bey VERY limiting and inferior.
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Agreed.
I rescued one sister from iPhone. The other is too far gone.
What I hate is the apparent Apple lovers working for the Android team. After pioneering Qi wireless charging in 2012, they dropped it a couple of years later -- apparently since iPhone didn't have it, so Google iPhone acolytes thought it wasn't important. (But LG and Samsung kept it.) Then Google added back Qi wireless because Apple FINALLY added it to iPhone (5 YEARS after Google first had it on Nexus phones). Google should never have dropped it in the first place. They just look like an abject follower instead of the Leader they used to be.
Apple dropped headset jack. Google made fun of them, then did the same the next year.
Apple iPhone has clock on left side -- where Android NOTIFICATIONS go. Starting in Apple Pie, now the Android clock is on the left side where ONLY NOTIFICATIONS should go. (Luckily, LG resisted for V30 Pie.)
I'm surprised Google hasn't lowered Pixel XL 1440p resolution to match Apple's crappy iPhone's.
Argghhh. I hate Apple with such a passion. They are so full of bull. They CLAIMED they dropped the headset jack to have higher dust/water resistance. Their next iPhone had IP67. BUT both LG and Samsung KEPT headset jack and produced flagship phones with IP68! So, apparently Apple's engineers are either incompetent or Apple LIES through their teeth... Actually both statements are probably true.
I still vividly remember the iPhone 4 "antenna-gate" fiasco where they didn't even insulate the external metal antennas... Then Steve Jobs lied about it. Total incompetence. U.S. FTC (or some governing body) made them give everyone a free bumper case for the insulation the metal antennas should have had. Apple wouldn't apologize or admit fault whatsoever. Just tried to deflect and lie. Steve Jobs: "You're holding it wrong!"
During the investigation, Apple also had to admit they were falsely showing more bars in their status bar. Apple first tried to say it was inadvertent mistake, but also said they did it to make people "feel better", that people never want to see just one bar. (No, it's called LYING, so people think iPhone is better than Android.) So they had to push an iOS update to show the REAL, lower signal strength.
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I remember years ago with my sister, she needed critical pictures off her phone and you couldn't just plug it into a PC with USB cable and use it as flash drive, and drag and drop the pictures from something like the DCIM folder with Android. You couldn't simply get them off the iPhone with their USB cable whatsoever. You had to go through their iTunes at the time or whatever. Install that on the PC, upload and download the pictures (or something like that). So aggravating. I finally managed to get her pictures, but would have only taken 5 minutes on Android with direct USB connection vs couple of hours on iPhone.
I remember mentally cursing Apple over and over and over. I rescued an older woman friend of a friend from iPhone about 5 years ago and went through much of the same at that time too. It was just the MOST difficult OS to wrestle with.
Even without root, Android still gives you so much more control over your phone than iOS. That's why I don't understand people who say, "Well, if I can't root this (fill in the blank), I'll just go get an iPhone".
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OnePlus is the other company I hate, because they openly admit they're trying to emulate Apple. They're arrogant and lie also (just like Apple) -- with their weak excuses for no IP rating or Qi wireless charging. At least OnePlus finally went to 1440p FIVE YEARS after all the top tier OEMs did (2014). Apple still hasn't gone to 1440p -- but they're not claiming to be premium Android OEM with "Never Settle" motto.
I still remember when OnePlus shipped their phone one year without NFC and thought no one would notice. When asked about it (and they didn't mention the omission until then) their excuse was the type of people who bought OnePlus didn't even know what NFC is, so they wouldn't miss it. (I'm paraphrasing, but that's basically what they said.) Very patronizing "We know better than you" -- just like Apple.
@schwinn8 @ChazzMatt
Not looking to flamewar anything. Just a discussion. I'm a lover of ALL tech honestly. Both IOS and Android has flaws.
IOS and "vanilla" Android needs updates due to lack of features. Reason I say iOS is better is due to the fact it's optimized much better. Battery life is noticeably better. At least in my use case scenarios. Seems more "fluid".
I've never thought updates are mandatory. You pay for the OS you get at purchase. Bug fixes are mandatory. Any update other then bug fixes are a bonus.
Edit, I noticed updates on my Nvidia shield console killed performance.
I was a user of PC since W95. If you wanted to upgrade you had to pay. To me that seems more than fair. Every OEM has to pay a dev team to do updates on a device that's no longer generating any money for them. So when you need a device, they add so many features to it that updates are pointless.
If Microsoft was in the picture, Microsoft would be beating apple and the Android.
Also when Steve Jobs died, Apple did drop off in quality. That's just a sad reality. Steve Jobs was really anal about his products. He was a terrible person and this is true, on the other hand he was really intelligent and made Apple the company that it is. Have to give him credit for that.
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Agreed.
I rescued one sister from iPhone. The other is too far gone.
What I hate is the apparent Apple lovers working for the Android team. After pioneering Qi wireless charging in 2012, they dropped it a couple of years later -- apparently since iPhone didn't have it, so Google iPhone acolytes thought it wasn't important. (But LG and Samsung kept it.) Then Google added back Qi wireless because Apple FINALLY added it to iPhone (5 YEARS after Google first had it on Nexus phones). Google should never have dropped it in the first place. They just look like an abject follower instead of the Leader they used to be.
Apple dropped headset jack. Google made fun of them, then did the same the next year.
Apple iPhone has clock on left side -- where Android NOTIFICATIONS go. Starting in Apple Pie, now the Android clock is on the left side where ONLY NOTIFICATIONS should go. (Luckily, LG resisted for V30 Pie.)
I'm surprised Google hasn't lowered Pixel XL 1440p resolution to match Apple's crappy iPhone's.
Argghhh. I hate Apple with such a passion. They are so full of bull. They CLAIMED they dropped the headset jack to have higher dust/water resistance. Their next iPhone had IP67. BUT both LG and Samsung KEPT headset jack and produced flagship phones with IP68! So, apparently Apple's engineers are either incompetent or Apple LIES through their teeth... Actually both statements are probably true.
I still vividly remember the iPhone 4 "antenna-gate" fiasco where they didn't even insulate the external metal antennas... Then Steve Jobs lied about it. Total incompetence. U.S. FTC (or some governing body) made them give everyone a free bumper case for the insulation the metal antennas should have had. Apple wouldn't apologize or admit fault whatsoever. Just tried to deflect and lie. Steve Jobs: "You're holding it wrong!"
During the investigation, Apple also had to admit they were falsely showing more bars in their status bar. Apple first tried to say it was inadvertent mistake, but also said they did it to make people "feel better", that people never want to see just one bar. (No, it's called LYING, so people think iPhone is better than Android.) So they had to push an iOS update to show the REAL, lower signal strength.
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I remember years ago with my sister, she needed critical pictures off her phone and you couldn't just plug it into a PC with USB cable and use it as flash drive, and drag and drop the pictures from something like the DCIM folder with Android. You couldn't simply get them off the iPhone with their USB cable whatsoever. You had to go through their iTunes at the time or whatever. Install that on the PC, upload and download the pictures (or something like that). So aggravating. I finally managed to get her pictures, but would have only taken 5 minutes on Android with direct USB connection vs couple of hours on iPhone.
I remember mentally cursing Apple over and over and over. I rescued an older woman friend of a friend from iPhone about 5 years ago and went through much of the same at that time too. It was just the MOST difficult OS to wrestle with.
Even without root, Android still gives you so much more control over your phone than iOS. That's why I don't understand people who say, "Well, if I can't root this (fill in the blank), I'll just go get an iPhone".
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OnePlus is the other company I hate, because they openly admit they're trying to emulate Apple. They're arrogant and lie also (just like Apple) -- with their weak excuses for no IP rating or Qi wireless charging. At least OnePlus finally went to 1440p FIVE YEARS after all the top tier OEMs did (2014). Apple still hasn't gone to 1440p -- but they're not claiming to be premium Android OEM with "Never Settle" motto.
I still remember when OnePlus shipped their phone one year without NFC and thought no one would notice. When asked about it (and they didn't mention the omission until then) their excuse was the type of people who bought OnePlus didn't even know what NFC is, so they wouldn't miss it. (I'm paraphrasing, but that's basically what they said.) Very patronizing "We know better than you" -- just like Apple.
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Agree with much of what you said about Apple but you forgot to mention the holier-than-thou feeling iPhone users get using iMessage talking down to us Android users in our green rather than blue bubbles.
Speaking of OnePlus, you know TotallyAnxious moved on from the V30 to OnePlus 7 Pro (which actually looks like a very worthy upgrade and *is* rootable on Verizon)? So we're on our own to tweak Pie to make it as good as Oreo with her mod...
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Agree with much of what you said about Apple but you forgot to mention the holier-than-thou feeling iPhone users get using iMessage talking down to us Android users in our green rather than blue bubbles.
Speaking of OnePlus, you know TotallyAnxious moved on from the V30 to OnePlus 7 Pro (which actually looks like a very worthy upgrade and *is* rootable on Verizon)? So we're on our own to tweak Pie to make it as good as Oreo with her mod...
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Agreed.
By the way, dev @runningnak3d who rooted the T-Mobile H932 went to OnePlus 7 Pro and almost immediately came back. Said it was crap compared to V30. That a lot of the claims OnePlus makes is bluster:
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So, the OP7 pro sucks a**. I am done with crap hardware just to have an open phone.
With that said, if @ChazzMatt wants to catch me up on the latest... That would be great.
If anyone wants to know how bad the OP7 pro sucks .. just ask. Luckily they are going for around 800 on eBay for the 12/256 model that I bought.
Just typing this on my US998 V30+ is soooo much nicer. Having the "all screen" on the OP7 pro is just an illusion.
-- Brian
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It's probably better than mid-tier Androids, and that's why their market originally was. Give users a mid-tier Andolroid on steroids and make them think it's as good as top tier Android?
That's why no 1440p for years, still no Qi wireless charging, no IP68, no NFC one entire model year -- because if you're upgrading from some Vivo or something you don't know what top tier really means. It's not just chipset. It's also other premium specs and features.
I'm not saying they haven't improved somewhat from their early model which were laughable -- but I still won't buy their phones. The OnePlus fanbois are almost as bad as iPhone.
@BROKEN1981
It's easy to provide battery life when you run what's basically a single-threaded OS. iOS was (originally) designed this way, and it does have it's advantages, as you noted some of them. However, as you may have noticed, battery life took a serious hit when they finally activated some background-tasking capability (iOS still doesn't do full multitasking, as Apple prevents this from happening). This is also what makes the screen "feel" smoother... iOS prioritized screen updates over everything else. One example I had seen showed an Android scrolling on a webpage versus iOS... the latter showed updates as you scrolled, while Android didn't update the screen until it was released (this was an older version of both, so things may have changed since then).
In the end, these are decisions made by Apple. To each their own, but I prefer to have true multitasking. So many things happen automatically (like background uploads on GPhotos) which can't happen on iOS (well, at least Apple doesn't let it today). I shouldn't have to be on the app in order to have it do things... that's the power of Android (and every other OS, honestly).
As for battery live, my V30 runs for 2 days without a charge and with frequent usage... I don't know of any iPhone that does that (maybe the new large-bodied ones do this, since they have bigger batteries)... but comparing apples-to-apples (haha), iPhone battery life has been terrible recently, as many of my friends and coworkers have shown me on their iPhones.
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To be fair, 1+ had only 1 good device. 1+1 LoL
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Yeah, getting photos to save to the cloud is obnoxious. Always wondered why I had to do it manually. Now I know....that's lame.
And it's only single-threaded tasks? Then why a powerful CPU if it's not being fully utilized? That honestly makes no sense. With that chip they should have added great multitasking.
I guess due to gimping out on stuff, no reason the battery life is good.
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Is there any possibility to make ux 9.1 port in the future