I thought it would be interesting to have a collection of all the theories as to why the Note 7 with new batteries also smoked in some cases, but fewer cases.
My theory is about heat dissipation. I noticed my Note 7 v1, which did die, became very hot a couple of times when in my inside breast pocket of my jacket but once left in a table it cooled down. I wonder if Samsung have not tested it enough in normal use ?
What do you think?
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I think they've been failing because Donald Trump groped them.
After all, everything now days is his fault. Might as well blame this on him too
Just for the record there are several ongoing threads in the Questions & Answers subforum about this very topic:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-7/help
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Just for the record there are several ongoing threads in the Questions & Answers subforum about this very topic:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-7/help
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Good example here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3481894
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Following attributes came into play at once -
1. always on display heating battery that is pasted too close to it
2. wireless charging (heat) and fast charging (more heat)
3. use of dense chemicals for beefier capacity
4. summer season (and more heat)
5. glass through and through which is bad conductor of heat and doesn't expand
6. lithium is highly reactive to water and devices were assembled in China during rainy humid season. Air particles trapped inside air tight sealed phone (water resistant) coming in contact with dense lithium
7. impurities present in plastic covering battery
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Following attributes came into play at once -
1. always on display heating battery that is pasted too close to it
2. wireless charging (heat) and fast charging (more heat)
3. use of dense chemicals for beefier capacity
4. summer season (and more heat)
5. glass through and through which is bad conductor of heat and doesn't expand
6. lithium is highly reactive to water and devices were assembled in China during rainy humid season. Air particles trapped inside air tight sealed phone (water resistant) coming in contact with dense lithium
7. impurities present in plastic covering battery
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I think about 200,000 Note 7s were manufactured in China for local sale. I think the others (majority) were made in Vietnam and Korea. So your point 6 may not be a contributor.
I think use of glass may be important. I don't think Samsung will have done enough out off the lab testing in normal use.
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Samsung could have spent weeks testing "v2" before release and still wouldn't find an issue because of how rare it's, in this case the best you could do is to engineer it so to have less heat, pad the battery inside with fire resistant material, monitor the battery heat through a special chip that cut the power if needed.
What I think Samsung should do now is to take the S7 battery (they know it's safe) and fit in a new model of the Note 7, revert back to micro USB port (just in case the issue from the new port) , label the new Note as "Note 7S" and re-release it in the market, delay the US release (the biggest market for the Note) for 2 months, so you can re-lunch it there with confidence.
But... what if it's not actually the battery in a direct sense - they've tried two different batteries made in two entirely different fab plants and both original Note 7 devices with the SDI battery failed and continue to do so and now the replacement devices with the ATL battery have and are continuing to fail as well.
In that situation it's somewhat safe to say that perhaps it's not actually the battery but an issue with the charging circuitry in some respect, maybe the thermal protection circuit, or something else entirely?
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Samsung could have spent weeks testing "v2" before release and still wouldn't find an issue because of how rare it's, in this case the best you could do is to engineer it so to have less heat, pad the battery inside with fire resistant material, monitor the battery heat through a special chip that cut the power if needed.
What I think Samsung should do now is to take the S7 battery (they know it's safe) and fit in a new model of the Note 7, revert back to micro USB port (just in case the issue from the new port) , label the new Note as "Note 7S" and re-release it in the market, delay the US release (the biggest market for the Note) for 2 months, so you can re-lunch it there with confidence.
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They should make Touch Wiz more battery efficient and then use the Note 5 smaller battery.
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My V1 never got hot or had any much heat in fact my 6P gets hotter than my V1. Interesting news today about Samsung doing battery testing inhouse rather than the industry standard using a third party. Looks like they could've been cutting corners or trying to save time?
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My V1 never got hot or had any much heat in fact my 6P gets hotter than my V1. Interesting news today about Samsung doing battery testing inhouse rather than the industry standard using a third party. Looks like they could've been cutting corners or trying to save time?
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Motorola also do battery test in house. I wonder if Apple tested the faulty new home button in-house
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jah said:
I thought it would be interesting to have a collection of all the theories as to why the Note 7 with new batteries also smoked in some cases, but fewer cases.
My theory is about heat dissipation. I noticed my Note 7 v1, which did die, became very hot a couple of times when in my inside breast pocket of my jacket but once left in a table it cooled down. I wonder if Samsung have not tested it enough in normal use ?
What do you think?
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How did your first gen Note 7 die? Was it while charging?
I sortakinda has an epiphany a few minutes ago and realized something that I haven't seen anyone else mention or discuss so I'm going to mention it here. I know I'll probably get flamed for this but I can't control the actions of other people and their motivations for being who they are so whatever.
Consider the concept of Cause & Effect, if you will:
- Samsung released the Note 7 with the original battery made by SDI on August 19th
- starting on August 24th Samsung started getting reports about incidents with the Note 7 burning up/catching on fire/exploding/etc
- Samsung gets some of those damaged units returned to them (the very first incident happened in South Korea but there were others in the country within days of that first one), does some testing, comes to a conclusion that perhaps the construction of those batteries is at fault (if you've seen the X-ray pics of the SDI battery you can readily see the anode-cathode plates get bent in some devices and almost touch which could be just enough to cause a battery to fail) and that battery itself is the probable cause of the Note 7 failures
- Samsung gets another battery manufacturer, ATL, to make batteries based on the Note 7 spec requirements and they provide Samsung with them and then Samsung does some internal testing which shows that after being installed in a Note 7 they do not suffer from the same plate bending the SDI batteries exhibited and are considered to "a safe fix" to the best of their knowledge. Samsung begins manufacturing the Note 7 v2 with the ATL battery and stops use of the SDI batteries
- Samsung announces on September 13th that a firmware update will be rolled out worldwide for the original production models of the Note 7 on September 20th that will do two things:
--- The update will alter the color of the battery icon from white to green - they actually had to go and ask Google for permission to do that because it violates Android guidelines and Google granted the permission. The reason for the green icon was to make it immediately apparent when looking at the lock screen or the home screen that a given Note 7 had the update applied
--- The update altered the battery charging cap to 60% meaning that regardless of whether or not you used a typical "slow" charger or you used the factory fast charging capable charger the battery in the Note 7 would never exceed a 60% charge. The reason for this was they concluded that charging the battery over the 60% point could be causing some type of overheating issue that they were unclear about which caused the battery to fail and result in an incident where the device destroys itself. Understand that the firmware is altering the charging circuit controller inside the Note 7 - it is not altering the battery cell in any respect - the change takes place inside the Note 7 entirely
- Samsung announces a worldwide recall - the 1st one, on September 15 2016 - and asks for people to return their Note 7 devices for exchange with a replacement Note 7 aka the v2 model that would have 2 things different from the original release model:
--- it would have the new battery manufactured by ATL and would not have the potential "crushing" issue the SDI batteries were shown to be susceptible to by the X-ray examinations
--- it would also have that firmware update in place from the factory which changed the battery icon to green and limit the battery charge to 60% capacity
- after September 20th Samsung gets reports of incidents involving original devices that hadn't been returned as part of the 1st recall but were running the firmware update released on September 20th to change the battery icon and limit the battery to 60%
- at some point after September 20th and before October 13th - the date when they initiated the 2nd recall worldwide for regardless of the date of manufacture - Samsung received more reports of incidents that involved replacement Note 7 devices that had not only the new battery but also the firmware update as they were shipped from the factory
See where I'm going with this?
Even with the 2nd devices aka Note 7 v2 that was using the ATL battery and had the firmware update in place to change the icon and limit the charge capacity they still failed.
Folks, I'm pretty confident in saying "It ain't the battery causing this..." - it absolutely appears to be the effect of the defect and failure that's happening, but not the cause itself. The batteries changed, the firmware changed, and yet the failures continue(d) to happen and will do so as long as they're still in use.
Now it remains to be seen what Samsung discovers in their investigation.
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How did your first gen Note 7 die? Was it while charging?
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No, I was using S Memo (Note 5 app). But when I couldn't get the usual soft and hard reset to work and the battery did not seems to charge (after technique to force battery drain) then I knew the battery must have failed. My second Note 7 from China (N9300) as superb. But have stopped using it
br0adband said:
I sortakinda has an epiphany a few minutes ago and realized something that I haven't seen anyone else mention or discuss so I'm going to mention it here. I know I'll probably get flamed for this but I can't control the actions of other people and their motivations for being who they are so whatever.
Consider the concept of Cause & Effect, if you will:
- Samsung released the Note 7 with the original battery made by SDI on August 19th
- starting on August 24th Samsung started getting reports about incidents with the Note 7 burning up/catching on fire/exploding/etc
- Samsung gets some of those damaged units returned to them (the very first incident happened in South Korea but there were others in the country within days of that first one), does some testing, comes to a conclusion that perhaps the construction of those batteries is at fault (if you've seen the X-ray pics of the SDI battery you can readily see the anode-cathode plates get bent in some devices and almost touch which could be just enough to cause a battery to fail) and that battery itself is the probable cause of the Note 7 failures
- Samsung gets another battery manufacturer, ATL, to make batteries based on the Note 7 spec requirements and they provide Samsung with them and then Samsung does some internal testing which shows that after being installed in a Note 7 they do not suffer from the same plate bending the SDI batteries exhibited and are considered to "a safe fix" to the best of their knowledge. Samsung begins manufacturing the Note 7 v2 with the ATL battery and stops use of the SDI batteries
- Samsung announces on September 13th that a firmware update will be rolled out worldwide for the original production models of the Note 7 on September 20th that will do two things:
--- The update will alter the color of the battery icon from white to green - they actually had to go and ask Google for permission to do that because it violates Android guidelines and Google granted the permission. The reason for the green icon was to make it immediately apparent when looking at the lock screen or the home screen that a given Note 7 had the update applied
--- The update altered the battery charging cap to 60% meaning that regardless of whether or not you used a typical "slow" charger or you used the factory fast charging capable charger the battery in the Note 7 would never exceed a 60% charge. The reason for this was they concluded that charging the battery over the 60% point could be causing some type of overheating issue that they were unclear about which caused the battery to fail and result in an incident where the device destroys itself. Understand that the firmware is altering the charging circuit controller inside the Note 7 - it is not altering the battery cell in any respect - the change takes place inside the Note 7 entirely
- Samsung announces a worldwide recall - the 1st one, on September 15 2016 - and asks for people to return their Note 7 devices for exchange with a replacement Note 7 aka the v2 model that would have 2 things different from the original release model:
--- it would have the new battery manufactured by ATL and would not have the potential "crushing" issue the SDI batteries were shown to be susceptible to by the X-ray examinations
--- it would also have that firmware update in place from the factory which changed the battery icon to green and limit the battery charge to 60% capacity
- after September 20th Samsung gets reports of incidents involving original devices that hadn't been returned as part of the 1st recall but were running the firmware update released on September 20th to change the battery icon and limit the battery to 60%
- at some point after September 20th and before October 13th - the date when they initiated the 2nd recall worldwide for regardless of the date of manufacture - Samsung received more reports of incidents that involved replacement Note 7 devices that had not only the new battery but also the firmware update as they were shipped from the factory
See where I'm going with this?
Even with the 2nd devices aka Note 7 v2 that was using the ATL battery and had the firmware update in place to change the icon and limit the charge capacity they still failed.
Folks, I'm pretty confident in saying "It ain't the battery causing this..." - it absolutely appears to be the effect of the defect and failure that's happening, but not the cause itself. The batteries changed, the firmware changed, and yet the failures continue(d) to happen and will do so as long as they're still in use.
Now it remains to be seen what Samsung discovers in their investigation.
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Sort of agree, except the Chinese Note 7s (like my N9300) all used the ATL battery from the initial launch. There were very few validated (2?) cases in China during this whole period. So the ATL battery is better, but I agree this is not a battery only issue.
I am surprised the Note 7 does not have (as far as I know) a temperature detector to switch off the phone if it gets too hot.
The Note 7 does have a thermal protection circuit as part of the charging circuitry - I'm personally suspecting that the cause of the failures could be narrowed down to that particular aspect of the hardware somewhere in either one or the other or both of those circuits working together.
br0adband said:
I sortakinda has an epiphany a few minutes ago and realized something that I haven't seen anyone else mention or discuss so I'm going to mention it here. I know I'll probably get flamed for this but I can't control the actions of other people and their motivations for being who they are so whatever.
Consider the concept of Cause & Effect, if you will:
- Samsung released the Note 7 with the original battery made by SDI on August 19th
- starting on August 24th Samsung started getting reports about incidents with the Note 7 burning up/catching on fire/exploding/etc
- Samsung gets some of those damaged units returned to them (the very first incident happened in South Korea but there were others in the country within days of that first one), does some testing, comes to a conclusion that perhaps the construction of those batteries is at fault (if you've seen the X-ray pics of the SDI battery you can readily see the anode-cathode plates get bent in some devices and almost touch which could be just enough to cause a battery to fail) and that battery itself is the probable cause of the Note 7 failures
- Samsung gets another battery manufacturer, ATL, to make batteries based on the Note 7 spec requirements and they provide Samsung with them and then Samsung does some internal testing which shows that after being installed in a Note 7 they do not suffer from the same plate bending the SDI batteries exhibited and are considered to "a safe fix" to the best of their knowledge. Samsung begins manufacturing the Note 7 v2 with the ATL battery and stops use of the SDI batteries
- Samsung announces on September 13th that a firmware update will be rolled out worldwide for the original production models of the Note 7 on September 20th that will do two things:
--- The update will alter the color of the battery icon from white to green - they actually had to go and ask Google for permission to do that because it violates Android guidelines and Google granted the permission. The reason for the green icon was to make it immediately apparent when looking at the lock screen or the home screen that a given Note 7 had the update applied
--- The update altered the battery charging cap to 60% meaning that regardless of whether or not you used a typical "slow" charger or you used the factory fast charging capable charger the battery in the Note 7 would never exceed a 60% charge. The reason for this was they concluded that charging the battery over the 60% point could be causing some type of overheating issue that they were unclear about which caused the battery to fail and result in an incident where the device destroys itself. Understand that the firmware is altering the charging circuit controller inside the Note 7 - it is not altering the battery cell in any respect - the change takes place inside the Note 7 entirely
- Samsung announces a worldwide recall - the 1st one, on September 15 2016 - and asks for people to return their Note 7 devices for exchange with a replacement Note 7 aka the v2 model that would have 2 things different from the original release model:
--- it would have the new battery manufactured by ATL and would not have the potential "crushing" issue the SDI batteries were shown to be susceptible to by the X-ray examinations
--- it would also have that firmware update in place from the factory which changed the battery icon to green and limit the battery charge to 60% capacity
- after September 20th Samsung gets reports of incidents involving original devices that hadn't been returned as part of the 1st recall but were running the firmware update released on September 20th to change the battery icon and limit the battery to 60%
- at some point after September 20th and before October 13th - the date when they initiated the 2nd recall worldwide for regardless of the date of manufacture - Samsung received more reports of incidents that involved replacement Note 7 devices that had not only the new battery but also the firmware update as they were shipped from the factory
See where I'm going with this?
Even with the 2nd devices aka Note 7 v2 that was using the ATL battery and had the firmware update in place to change the icon and limit the charge capacity they still failed.
Folks, I'm pretty confident in saying "It ain't the battery causing this..." - it absolutely appears to be the effect of the defect and failure that's happening, but not the cause itself. The batteries changed, the firmware changed, and yet the failures continue(d) to happen and will do so as long as they're still in use.
Now it remains to be seen what Samsung discovers in their investigation.
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One problem with that... the update doesn't limit the battery in V2 phones.
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I've had my Tab 2 10.1 since last November and it has seen some pretty heavy use. These are the problems I am facing and don't know if there are any decent solutions.
Battery does not last as long. It seemed to go from running for hours on end, to maybe 3 hours almost overnight.
When charging from Samsung charger, with Samsung cable and powered off, takes 12 hours to reach full charge.
(bonus) back is scratched to buggery. Would like to replace it.
Item 1 and 2 may require a new battery. What is a reliable place to buy from? I am based in the UK, so that will narrow the field considerably. I have seen various batteries on eBay for £20-30 but typically marked as seller-refurbished, can't refurbish an EOL battery.
Item 3 is merely cosmetic and I suspect getting a (tasteful) skin will be my best option, only place I have found offering a back cover has it in silver for £45.
Any other options other than buying a replacement from a potentially dubious source?
galorin said:
I've had my Tab 2 10.1 since last November and it has seen some pretty heavy use. These are the problems I am facing and don't know if there are any decent solutions.
Battery does not last as long. It seemed to go from running for hours on end, to maybe 3 hours almost overnight.
When charging from Samsung charger, with Samsung cable and powered off, takes 12 hours to reach full charge.
(bonus) back is scratched to buggery. Would like to replace it.
Item 1 and 2 may require a new battery. What is a reliable place to buy from? I am based in the UK, so that will narrow the field considerably. I have seen various batteries on eBay for £20-30 but typically marked as seller-refurbished, can't refurbish an EOL battery.
Item 3 is merely cosmetic and I suspect getting a (tasteful) skin will be my best option, only place I have found offering a back cover has it in silver for £45.
Any other options other than buying a replacement from a potentially dubious source?
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Hey there,
First off, just want to point out that you're in the wrong forum - this is for the original Tab 10.1, the previous generation
But to answer your questions, because its always good to help each other out:
Items 1 and 2, batteries aren't too easy to replace in tablets as they're meant to be non-removable. The best place for this would probably be a Samsung service centre, see if they can do anything about replacing a battery.
Item 3, again, same thing. Although a nice and functional case should fix this as well.
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Well, bugger. I guess that just wasn't my day. Thanks though.
Hi there,
I recently bought the new moto 360 sport.
It's the 2nd one that I have in my hands due to a ded pixel on the 1st one and sent back as D.O.A.
I was wondering why the reported battery capacity is 280mA instead of 300mA as Motorola lists in the watch specifications.
Just to mention that both of them reported around 280mA. To be even more specific the first one reported 280mA and the one I currently use 282mA.
On top of that both of them would shut down at around 9% which is quite irritating.
What is going on? Any similar issues anyone ?
Motorola reports typical battery capacity, usually some batteries will be slightly below that, so 280 of 300 is normal, minimum is probably 280. Mine reads 282mAh. Also AIDA 64 is reading what the system reads from the batteries software, it may not be accurate.
Battery should shut down before 0, otherwise it might not charge correctly of left for an extended period of time
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Thanks for clarifying Dennis. Appreciate it. Although it is frustrating if the battery is not 0% or at least 2-5% and the watch turns off. I am a hiker and got this watch for hiking. When the battery gets around 10% I am forced to close and save the tracking in fear that my progress will be lost.
From all my other electronics I neder experienced these issues. I want to trust my device and not feel like I am not in control.
I'll give it some days to see how the indication goes and personally I'll go with the law in Europe and request a subsidy since I bought a device wih 300mA and got one with less.
(Really not any mobile device has this issue, all report the manufactures capacity)
Just also to clarify I am a senior full stack developer and been in software more than 25 years.
Many of the threads discussing battery replacements in this section are dispersed and old.
However,
I'm asking for help with updated opinions/recommendations/insights please.
I have a Note 3 (5.0) N9005 - original Samsung battery, and it needs replacement.
Problem: As I have a spigen neo hybrid case, I want a battery that fits into the original note 3 cover.
I am looking for safe bets - companies whose batteries are not risky nor untested by members.
Obviously there is the option of another stock Samsung original - but are there established/safe alternatives that will give me better 'juice' than stock, but still fit in the original cover?
My thanks to any that are willing to share their advice/opinions & contribute.
Capt. M
I just recently bought a anker for my note 3 they are trusted and a very respected company. Look for a anker on amazon for your note 3. Yes it will fit same exact size. I use to have neo hybrid. They give you a warranty as well.
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matsuyamakaze said:
I just recently bought a anker for my note 3 they are trusted and a very respected company. Look for a anker on amazon for your note 3. Yes it will fit same exact size. I use to have neo hybrid. They give you a warranty as well.
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Why did you choose the anker over stock?
On the anker website - there also have customer reviews of each product. Some of the note 3 battery reviews are quite poor?
I chose anker because my brother bought one for his note 4 I already knew of anker and needed a battery, he said it was great. Reviews are hit and miss take them with a grain of salt, I've bought a power add Apollo charger and love it works flawless yet on amazon where I bought it many reviews are negative. Also companies can and do hire people for good and bad reviews. The original battery is hard to find unless you directly contact Samsung they can be rather annoying with customer service with my run ins I've had with them over chargers. Most if not all Samsung OEM for note 3 on amazon are knock offs there fake. If I'm unhappy with the battery I can still return it, they gave me and everyone a warranty, they have good packaging and they only use grade A cells, from what I've experienced and my brother I believe they are great. I hope this helps if you need more info message me anytime.
Hi,
take one of these,they are great,greater then the ones from samsung!
http://www.jubatec.net/akkus/handyakkus/
Anker for me long time user.
I'm interested in finding a solution that genuinely gives me an advantage over a samsung oem battery.
Is it true that no oem batteries were produced after 2014?
The manufacture date is printed on the battery. One of the things pushingme away from oem is that they will be 2-3 years old, and kept in storage for a long time.
JJEgan said:
Anker for me long time user.
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Why did you choose the anker over others?
Has it given you any issues?
Long time user on other models.
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Got 5 hour SOT and 1 day standby with stock 4.4.2 (greenify + donation package to hibernate system) will post pic soon
What battery are you referring too?
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Thanks mod. Was worried that viewers would loose interest in my thread!
I havr a question for those with a sammy oem battery. The date of manufacture is printed on the battery. Does anybody have one dated later than 2014???
matsuyamakaze said:
I chose anker because my brother bought one for his note 4 I already knew of anker and needed a battery, he said it was great. Reviews are hit and miss take them with a grain of salt, I've bought a power add Apollo charger and love it works flawless yet on amazon where I bought it many reviews are negative. Also companies can and do hire people for good and bad reviews. The original battery is hard to find unless you directly contact Samsung they can be rather annoying with customer service with my run ins I've had with them over chargers. Most if not all Samsung OEM for note 3 on amazon are knock offs there fake. If I'm unhappy with the battery I can still return it, they gave me and everyone a warranty, they have good packaging and they only use grade A cells, from what I've experienced and my brother I believe they are great. I hope this helps if you need more info message me anytime.
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Thank you for the info, I always thought that any non-samsung battery may run the risk of setting fire to your phone. I'll have to give that one a try
manne48 said:
Hi,
take one of these,they are great,greater then the ones from samsung!
http://www.jubatec.net/akkus/handyakkus/
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Do these fit in the original case? Any overheating issues?
Capt Morpheous said:
Many of the threads discussing battery replacements in this section are dispersed and old.
However,
I'm asking for help with updated opinions/recommendations/insights please.
I have a Note 3 (5.0) N9005 - original Samsung battery, and it needs replacement.
Problem: As I have a spigen neo hybrid case, I want a battery that fits into the original note 3 cover.
I am looking for safe bets - companies whose batteries are not risky nor untested by members.
Obviously there is the option of another stock Samsung original - but are there established/safe alternatives that will give me better 'juice' than stock, but still fit in the original cover?
My thanks to any that are willing to share their advice/opinions & contribute.
Capt. M
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Now, I see that you want a battery that fits the original cover, but many folks here can recommend the ZeroLemon 10 000 mAh battery. I'm using one.
Advantages:
+ comes with a dual layer TPU case with hard plastic shell;
+ you can get 2 to 3 days of extremely heavy usage, 5, if you are moderate, and a whole week with light usage (once did 6 days with 38% battery left, got tired of trying to drain it all the way and charged it, screenshots attached).
Disadvantages:
- the thing becomes really ugly, thick and heavy, you better have big pockets and strong belts. Yes, that's the only disadvantage. Well, if you change SD or SIM cards frequently, that would be a disadvantage too.
After the first calibration charges and discharges of the battery, it takes some 6 hours to charge from 0 to 100%, but 6 hours of charging for 3 days of extreme usage - that's more than a fair deal for me.
I'm in two minds. Oem vs third party.
Problem with oems are, it seems that the last production run was 2014???
Is it really the case that I'd have to purchase a two year old battery that has been in storage for that time?
First of all I checked my original battery and there is no manufacturing date that I can see, the closest I can come to date is serial number, but no idea how to decode it. Did they put manufacturing date later on?
2. if you want/need original size don't expect big capacity improvements: same size will have similar capacity give or take tolerances and chemistry need to be similar due to charging/ voltage.
3. Especially in the phone which is charged almost daily, number of cycles is more important than age. I have Li ion batteries probably almost 10 yrs old that still work, more or less.
4. There was suspicion that some OEM batt sold around were used and therefore already partially worn out.
5. If you use NFC, make sure the new battery has NFC antenna, some don't and NFC won't work there.
I bought battery called Stalion for about $10, it has NFC antenna, it holds charge as well as new OEM and if it wears out faster than OEM ( so far all's good, 6 months and counting) I'll buy new one for $10, not worth worrying about.
But if Note 6 will be as good as the rumors suggest this is all non issue in 3 months anyway.
pete4k said:
First of all I checked my original battery and there is no manufacturing date that I can see, the closest I can come to date is serial number, but no idea how to decode it. Did they put manufacturing date later on?
2. if you want/need original size don't expect big capacity improvements: same size will have similar capacity give or take tolerances and chemistry need to be similar due to charging/ voltage.
3. Especially in the phone which is charged almost daily, number of cycles is more important than age. I have Li ion batteries probably almost 10 yrs old that still work, more or less.
4. There was suspicion that some OEM batt sold around were used and therefore already partially worn out.
5. If you use NFC, make sure the new battery has NFC antenna, some don't and NFC won't work there.
I bought battery called Stalion for about $10, it has NFC antenna, it holds charge as well as new OEM and if it wears out faster than OEM ( so far all's good, 6 months and counting) I'll buy new one for $10, not worth worrying about.
But if Note 6 will be as good as the rumors suggest this is all non issue in 3 months anyway.
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Can you give me some more info on no. 4. his is new to me.
When I was looking for OEM batteries on Amazon (some stuff is sold by Amazon partners, not Amazon directly BTW ) some people left comments that batt. they got lasted less than old one they just replaced, some commented that they see scratches, like they were used, some said they didn't get original packaging, another commented that advertising never said those were brand new etc. etc. while others had no problem . Actually if what you said is true about OEM ending production in 2014, all those negative comments begin to make sense. At the end all those negative comments turned me off, to the point I bought off brand (Stalion) and I'm pretty happy with it.
for example here http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-Standard-Battery/dp/B00F3583S8 22% gave 1 star, that's one in five.
I like Anker but little luck with this phone for some reason . One works and other doesn't. The Anker do have NFC. Problem with OEM is that most are fake. Have several of those and 2/3 didn't last a month.
After looking at several posts in XDA and Reddit, it seems that the BLOD or BootLoop of Death is happening to devices everyday as we approach the 2 year mark of the N6P release. Seems like a hardware issue or maybe a combination of both. My question is that do you guys think that this issue is actually a large number of lemons or that there is really a design flaw. Will all 6Ps eventually BLOD? Is it a matter of If or When?
Also it seems that the batteries were indeed pretty bad, with 4 users that I know personally all experiencing the degradation.
Well, it's not all 6P's. I bought my 6P last January 18 months + and I still get 6.5 to 7 hours of screen on time. Using Accubattery my estimated capacity is still 88% 3,028mah. I can run my phone to 10% no reboots or shut downs. It's really in how you take care of your battery.
And before you ask, no I haven't changed my battery out. I've never opened my phone due to the fact I want to sell it soon and afraid they heat gun would warp things on the phone.
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I haven't changed my battery out. I've never opened my phone due to the fact I want to sell it soon and afraid they heat gun would warp things on the phone.
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Curious if you've seen or heard anything that'd validate your fear... it's certainly reasonable to be cautious, and it does NOT look like an easy process by any means but why the heat gun? It's a very common tool to use for jobs like this.
But to be clear, I too worry the phone won't look/feel the same after a successful battery replacement.
Of course skill levels vary greatly.
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Curious if you've seen or heard anything that'd validate your fear... it's certainly reasonable to be cautious, and it does NOT look like an easy process by any means but why the heat gun? It's a very common tool to use for jobs like this.
But to be clear, I too worry the phone won't look/feel the same after a successful battery replacement.
Of course skill levels vary greatly.
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I've seen or heard nothing, but since I'm upgrading to OP5 I was going to sell my 6P to help cover some costs. Looks like they are still selling for about 300-350. That's a nice chunk off the 540 of the OP5. My phone shows zero signs of wear and have never once dropped a phone. It looks like it came out of the box last night and plan to keep it that way for sale.
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I've seen or heard nothing, but since I'm upgrading to OP5 I was going to sell my 6P to help cover some costs. Looks like they are still selling for about 300-350. That's a nice chunk off the 540 of the OP5. My phone shows zero signs of wear and have never once dropped a phone. It looks like it came out of the box last night and plan to keep it that way for sale.
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Gotcha. And thats a hell of a deal! I've been thinking of upgrading, OP5 is really tempting. If I got $350 for my 6p itd be like a 45% discount. Much better than the trade-ins carriers give you.
Edit-No it's like a 70% discount! $539 for 128 gb 8gb ram. For some reason I thought the base model came in at around $700
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Well, it's not all 6P's. I bought my 6P last January 18 months + and I still get 6.5 to 7 hours of screen on time. Using Accubattery my estimated capacity is still 88% 3,028mah. I can run my phone to 10% no reboots or shut downs. It's really in how you take care of your battery.
And before you ask, no I haven't changed my battery out. I've never opened my phone due to the fact I want to sell it soon and afraid they heat gun would warp things on the phone.
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Really glad to see that you've preserved your battery well. I had to repair/replace my mobo and battery under warranty but I'm worried that the issues will happen again eventually due to poor manufacturing.
I just saw this over at the google tracker and wanted to share it.
https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/37130791#comment598
[email protected] <[email protected]> #597 Jun 24, 2017 07:53AM
For those of you hit with this problem and who have been denied warranty or are having no joy with either Google or Huawei, I have found a solution, albeit not the best of solutions but one that will have at least have a 60% chance of bringing back to life your Nexus 6P.
So after running some solid tests over the last week and abit on a few Nexus devices hit with the BLOD, I have found the following:
* BLOD Issue is not a software related Issue, Well not in full only in part, 6.0.1 handles and reacts to the sudden voltage drop that happens with the shockingly bad battery in our phones, it reacts to the loss differently so something changed in the newer versions 7.X.X that must trigger the battery to do something different and then causes the phone to BLOD, though the 6.X.X train was not entirely immune from it, the phone would hold up longer.
* Through various tests both with electronic hardware and software on the phone, you can physically watch the battery health drop sharply on a daily basis, these batteries are really that bad.
* The OEM Battery is a POS, when it gets put under load the Voltage tanks and tanks sharply, when it is not under heavy load and running at <31deg/cel the phone will work but only if the following conditions are meet... (1) The motherboard has not been fried by the battery shorting it out, a small IC chip appears to get damanged by it from what we can tell when we did testing on about 4 phones, but not on every phone or (2) the battery health is well enough to keep powering the phone.
* Here is where the problem gets interesting, the more the battery gets put under load, the more it degrades and rapidly, my current Nexus 6P 128GB Frost White version which is getting replaced on Monday by Google is down to 36% battery health, meaning if it drops below 60% battery life the phone just shuts down, so to prevent it from going into bootloop I have to keep it above 60% and each day the battery health is dropping even more roughly a 1% very two to three days at the moment.
* So we decided to put in a Generic battery into one of the 64GB versions that is stuck on BLOD, and it was nothing more than a battery from HK some cheap no-name of eBay, and BOOM! The phone boots up and comes to life again...
* However I have noticed a pattern on three devices I tested this on over the last week, I think the original battery at some point ends up damaging the PCB (Motherboard) and from what we could observer this would be the norm, if your battery is spiking and doing all sorts of things it shouldn't be, it has the potential to fry other components. There isthree of us doing these tests with one being an electronics engineer and the other two of us just being tech heads who repairs phones as a hobby.
* Now if we put back in the OEM battery, guess what? The phone would not boot up, it would just BLOD and on the meters the battery would just spray out wild voltage and all over the joint, these are really crap and awefully bad batteries that Huawei have put in the Nexus 6P, In fact we are not sure why they dont blow up like the Note 7 phones did, given how erradic the voltage spikes are.
* I can safely say that the Huawei made Nexus 6P has a huge problem with the installed battery, which by extension is also causing electronics to fail if it gets caught in the BLOD for too long and overheats the phone. My advise, if your phone goes into BLOD then don't strain, stop using it stright away, dont stree the phone too much, get the battery replaced ASAP, find someone who knows how to open it and replae the battery inside of it with a $7-$16 battery that you can get of eBay, this will at least bring your phone back to life.
I have spent about $400 on testing this to get to the bottom of it, having to buy batteries, run multiple tests, and also buy broken Nexus 6P Phones, at least I can get some of it back by selling the phones that have been brought back to life I guess.
Good Luck peeps, and my advice is to stay away from any Huawei Phones, because if has happened to this phone which was supposed to be a flagship, then it can happen to other Huawei phones if they are using the same or similar batteries, unless they knew all along and have changed them.... Which now makes me wnt to buy other broken Huawei phones and see if they have changed them.
Cheers,
David.
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Really glad to see that you've preserved your battery well. I had to repair/replace my mobo and battery under warranty but I'm worried that the issues will happen again eventually due to poor manufacturing.
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Yeah, fortunately I haven't had any issues with hardware on my phone. I'm curious if we'd ever see numbers hardware failure rate.
I've loved my 6P. I'm gonna miss the front facing speakers and QHD display. I may not notice the difference in 1440p to 1080p done I don't need with VR.
I share the same experience as Eric214, I have the phone since November 2015, my Accubattery show 93% 3191, I have all update installed thru OTA. Never rooted or installed custom ROM, here is my stat from Accubattery
Sent from my Nexus 6P using XDA-Developers Legacy app
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Well, it's not all 6P's. I bought my 6P last January 18 months + and I still get 6.5 to 7 hours of screen on time. Using Accubattery my estimated capacity is still 88% 3,028mah. I can run my phone to 10% no reboots or shut downs. It's really in how you take care of your battery.
And before you ask, no I haven't changed my battery out. I've never opened my phone due to the fact I want to sell it soon and afraid they heat gun would warp things on the phone.
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I have literally never gotten that much sot on this phone, I feel like even if I didn't install any apps and left it in airplane mode I still wouldn't.
My new s7 edge gets me crazy battery life, but the 6p has been disappointing as far as battery life goes.
I think the bootloops and battery dissipation are caused by overheating of the 810, though that's just my professional opinion. Components don't like heat, especially when packed so closely together.
I had this battery issue after 14 months, replaced it 10 days ago - AccuBattery said my battery had something about 40%, now it says 101%. Everything back to normal.
Funny thing is: a month ago, AccuBattery showed 88% as well, everything working fine. Suddenly, 52% and the shutdowns began (no BLOD). I lived with this scenario for 15 days (battery health going down fast), almost bought an iPhone to replace it. Digging around I found a post from a Brazilian dude that brought its N6P back to life buying a battery from a given seller in a known online platform here and I decided to give it a try - battery and replacement costed 12% of what I paid on my phone. I expect to have it working until Pixel 2 pops up.
I'm in the group that after just 14 months my battery is at 67% of it original capacity and my SOT is around 2 hours. The worse battery performance of any phone I've ever owned. And I take care of my battery rarely will I let it drop below 60%, as I try to avoid deep discharges that harm battery longevity.
But no boot looping thus far.
as for the long post mentioning updates from MM to Nougat, i believe that the only thing i defintely did notice was with the battery behavior, the first weeks it took much longer to fully charge the battery , and it freaked me out.
now it is kind of normal again, i rooted my 6p the day i have got it haha.
i love flashing custom roms/kernels.
had the 6p for about 10 months now, i love it and really hope that it won't let me down quick.
at least another year would be nice, or 2.
So according to what @cyberedward mentioned from Google tracker replacing EOL battery with new Huawei made battery is like setting timer in a time bomb to another value ...
I don't know if they'll all bootloop but the battery is crap. After my experience that I documented in another thread, Id doubt anyone who's used the phone for a year has a battery thats holding anywhere close to full capacity.
Mine also shuts down at 20%. Now 4 days out of warranty. I'm gonna fight with the people at Huawei to get it replaced but best case scenario, I have to find a temporary phone for however long it takes to get it fixed.
3 year old phone?-I guess cut your loses.
But within a year?... complete BS! It's defective and they should recall them all.
***And to the OPs original question--what sucks is theres no known cause for the bootloop so you could get the battery fixed and within days, weeks, months you might also deal with that.
Since Anker is no longer producing Note3 batteries, what batteries is everyone using and are they any good?
PowerBear Note 3 Battery. Perfect to me
zerolemon.com/products/10000mah-extended-battery-case-for-samsung-galaxy-note-3
https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B01B80ZZ82/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Has about doubled my battery life. Really great. bought one for my wife and equally happy. The production date is said to be 2017 and the battery seems real fresh to me .
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https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B01B80ZZ82/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Has about doubled my battery life. Really great. bought one for my wife and equally happy. The production date is said to be 2017 and the battery seems real fresh to me .
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yea those gadfull batteries look good - although the link you posted wasn't for their note3 battery - but doesn't look like they ship outside the eu
i sold my note 3 because i couldn't get a new decent high quality battery. now i use j7 2016 and battery life is like x5 times better.
http://www.wannsee-electronic.de/ha..._ersetzt_originalakku_eb-b800bu_i8_2514_0.htm
I have ordered a second one from them a month ago. First one lasted me 3,5 years (original one from Samsung died after six months) and is still holding charge pretty well. I got 4 hours of sot easily with 3,5 years old one. With new one 7-8 h. Very satisfied with them.
I bought battery made by Duracell over 6 months ago from Amazon. So far so good.
I have learned to avoid the "OEM" claimed batteries and still think Anker batteries were the most consistent I have had very good luck with
Sunzos
https://www.amazon.com/Battery-SUNZ...s&keywords=sunzos+galaxy+note+3+battery&psc=1
OhmniPax
https://www.ebay.com/itm/OhmniPax-R...xy-NOTE-3-3200mAh-Li-ion-Batter-/173184809222
I ended up getting a "4500mAh" MPJ branded battery off eBay for twenty bucks, as the better options up above don't ship to where I am at.
Appears to work about as good as 2 year old 3200mAh Ankers.
Identifies as 3200mAh as well.
1/3 refund commensurate with discrepancy no questions asked.
I guess they have to lie to stand out enough to even move a single unit.
Still using the original one, it still holding charge pretty well after 3.5 years of work (last 3 day, normal use)
Here's my anecdotal response.
I've used Anker batteries twice in my Note 3.
The first one started to fail, and was clearly bulging after about a year, so I disposed of it at a location allowed for battery disposal because I could literally see the OEM samsung case bulging from it expanding. It was never dropped, or exposed to extreme temperatures, and always in the samsung window case, or the otterbox defender (which may have increased the heat level without me knowing, but that's just speculative so take that with many grains of salt).
Having used Anker batteries many times before, I assumed the first replacement could have been a knockoff, or just from a bad batch, so I replaced it with another Anker of the type. Both were purchased on Amazon. I have had absolutely no issues with the second one, though I do feel the phone get warm when updating my ROM, etc, but that's to be expected. Aside from that the battery life has been very good, with a year and a half of use on it, and I never get concerned about daily use, out side of plugging it into a charger when doing gps/music for a long distance. Even without being plugged in, it stays pretty solid.
Full disclosure for my usage: I'm a light user during the day, aside from calendar, weather, 2 email addresses set to push, and 2 email addresses set to 15 minutes, a few texts, dropbox, drive, onenote, and google all on manual sync, and few phone calls. I'm also on lineage 7.1, rooted, xposed, and bloatware removed or blocked.
TLDR, my current Anker replacement works very well for my needs, but the first one did begin to fail to the point of it looking like it might go into a full failure at a dangerous level, so I can't be sure if it was a knockoff, a bad batch, or just bad luck.
I am using 6400mahs battery from ali express..gives two days easily
Trying Powerbear
Ordered a Powerbear last night directly from their site last night as that ended up being cheaper than Amazon. Hopefully this will allow my 2013 Note 3 to function a day with medium use.
Update: The Powerbear battery is working well. It came with instructions to fully charge and drain the battery a number of times to allow the system to calibrate things correctly. After following that process, I'm now easily seeing a day of battery life with medium use.
im still using my note 3 rooted on kitkat with the original battery 3200mah last all day at least
I'm using a new original battery that i got around 6 months ago. I get 5-6 hours screen on time.
OEM Samsung (if you need NFC)
I have always had the best performance with Samsung-branded OEM batteries. Some after-market batteries do NOT have the NFC antenna, so no NFC services . . .
One caveat though, watch out for used Samsung-branded batteries that are re-labeled to look like new. I had an instance that the battery I received was used and the case dented. The silver-black Samsung label had the corner near the bottom of the battery slightly folded back and crinkled. Also the electrical contacts showed signs of heavy use (wear and scratch marks). Luckily, the Amazon merchant replaced it with a genuine new Samsung battery in the original plastic case.
The prices seem to be getting better but eventually Samsung (or their OEM partner) will stop production (or maybe already has stopped), then the prices will be stratospheric . . . YMMV as always.
Trusted brand..sun global 3650mah capacity
But with no nfc
Im looking N9005 Battery +6400Mah with all resistance and good rated by users what do suggest;