sup guys
in the first place id like to say a big thankyou to all the people who spend so much time in developing for this amazing phone !
with the help of rudi666 i was able to set up my h960a until it is almost perfect for my needs.
it took me 4 weeks and 3 complete wipes to finally setup a killer custom phone. though its sad that this phone doesnt get more attention. its the best phone ive ever had, very fast, reliable, great screen and cam, killer sound, no bugs at all. with root and 200gb micro SD almost infinite possibillities !
since getting a bigger battery is obligatory for everyday work with this phone, i imported 2 ZL 9000ah from usa, cost me a lot of money (customs robbery) but now i have finally an amazing phone. rootet, flashed twrp, learned a lot about flashing, related commands and all this programming stuff i had no clue about in the first place.
but there is just one issue, the community seems unable to solve:
the insane hardcoded battery-capacity of 3000mah. even after 2 weeks of only getting into just this one problem, i found no way to solve this. no matter what i do, i cant bring the phone to read the 9000mah correctly.
instead, it behaves like many unsers mentioned:
round 1
100% goes down to 0%,
shuts off.
turning the phone on manually again, starts again with 65%.
getting down to 0 again.
turning on manually again, starting with about 8% again.
turning to 0% and now its finished. start to recharge using the LG charger with 2amps.
charging for the first time, phone shows 100% after ~1,5h.
in the first place i thought: oh, that was quick. plug off charger, started to use the phone,
and the battery-information went from 100 to 0 in no time. i was confused until i got deeper into it and finally learned that, unlike my samsung S3 i used with Cyanogen, the V10 is hardcoded with the stock-battery capacity of 3000mah.
with my samsung S3 i had Anker 7000? mah and NO probs at all, everything worked fine.
what i didnt know was, that even when the phone is charging and shows 100% after about 1,5h, it needs another 5-7 hours to charge completely to a "real" 100%.
so i tried EVERYTHING my humble capabilities allowed me to. no success.
i thought that many users have the same problem, and are tired of restarting the phone after just 1/3rd of battery power drained, all the information there is should be collected in one dedicated thread. i only could find spare spreaded information about this issue on XDA.
if anyone knows of a way to set the kernel-capacity manually oder any other solution, i would be really gratefull !
thanks/greetings from berlin germany
hello ? anybody dere ?
echooooOOOOOOOooooooo hello.
after a while of using and about 5x recharging from 10/20% to 100%
AccuBattery Pro shows the estimated capacity at 89XX mah, whats really close to the ZL 9000mah.
and ive noticed that the phone now endures up to 5 days normal usage in ONE session, so no restarting is necessary !
it seems, the phone learned the new bat capacity after a while and the hardcoded 3000mah dont seem to matter anymore.
so, problem solved.
cpuZ and other apps reading the kernel-info still show 3000mah but who cares. i got 5 days in one session.
so i guess this could help some people who also be confused about this issue.
i think ZL should put this information onto their site to inform people who got the same problem as i had.
ECHHOOOOOOOOO....
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Hi all. I really don't know what causes my problem, so I'll just describe it:
Epilogue:
My Legend came with some Vodafone ROM so as soon as I got it I flashed 2-3 ROMs found on XDA (all in the same day, all were 2.2) before I settled for BlaY0's. Everything was working properly. After 3-4 months I decided to try a new ROM so I flashed a 2.3.3 with HTC Sense (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=987251) - didn't like it much; then I tried a Cyanogen, also 2.3 - didn't like it either. So I flashed back the BlaY0 2.2. (also, in one day)
This is when my problem started.
Usually my battery would last for a day and a half. But every evening I connect it to the charger (at about 50%). In the morning the little light turned from orange to green and the battery indicator showed 100%. This was before! Now, I connect the charger in the evening but in the morning the light is still orange and the battery indicator shows something between 70% and 85% (I don't know if this is important, but most of the times is 85%). Usually it took 2-3 to fully charge the battery.
After a while, I noticed that if I reboot the phone in the morning, after the reboot the indicator shows 95-98%.
First thing I did was to wipe the battery stats (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=765656) but either I did it wrong or that was not the problem because it did'n solve anything.
Then I noticed something else. When I go to SETTINGS>ABOUT PHONE>BATTERY I can see the UP TIME and the AWAKE TIME. I'm guessing that the up time is the total time since last reboot but the awake time I'm not sure; is it the time the display was on or it is more about CPU activity? Anyways, it seems that after I connect the charger, it thinks that it is awake because in the morning I can read about 8-9 h of awake time (during the day it reaches at about 1-2 h). So it appears that something consumes the power at a higher rate messing with the charging process. If so, why does the battery indicator heals after reboot?
Thinking that an app was causing the problem I eliminated some of them: Advanced Task Killer, Llama, Watchdog. The problem persisted...
Now I'm out of ideas...so if someone has some I'd be grateful. It's not that I need to reboot in the morning, it's the not knowing that's killing me!
Absolutly same issue here.
I remember seeing a solution somewhere in the forum. Try using search. I think there're many threads revolving around this issue.
Sent from my Legend using XDA App
elk2210 said:
Absolutly same issue here.
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I know that it's selfish but I'm glad I'm not alone
@Asovse1: I did a search before posting but I'll keep digging if you say there is a solution somewhere. Tks!
marginean.m said:
I know that it's selfish but I'm glad I'm not alone
@Asovse1: I did a search before posting but I'll keep digging if you say there is a solution somewhere. Tks!
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There was a huge thread on this in General.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1151450&highlight=charge
Unfortunate, until an alternate solution is found, it seems that replacing a piece of the hardware is the only way. Which sucks. I'm sorry.
When flashing a new ROM or switching between primary and secondary batteries in my wallet, I always make sure I calibrate it so the system doesn't misinterpret predefined untrue values regarding the highs and lows of the battery.
Actually, with my second battery, it takes an hour to charge from 2-60, then another one for 61-76, then the whole night til 100. It's quite horrible. The stock HTC battery excels at charging, but I digress.
It seems like a counter-solution to me, but maybe a temporary fix for you: Have you tried investing in a really cheap, secondary battery, perhaps on eBay? I bought two for around 2 dollars each, on separate occasions. My first I'm still using now, in my wallet, switches each month. My other one I bought recently, and the first time it dipped to 30%, it completely shut off. Needless to say, I threw it away, it was horrible.
@Asovse1
I read the thread...to be honest I never thought it would be a hardware issue. Anyways, replacing the motherboard isn't really a fix.
I guess your solution (having spare batteries) is the only one feasible. This kinda sucks!
Solution (see last sentence)
I have two HTC Legend phones here that both have this same problem.
I have read elsewhere that some people got the HTC Legend fully charged by charging it normally, like overnight, then powering it down and charging once more until the light turns green. Some repeated this procedure twice, i.e. pulled the charging cable, then plugged it in again.
I just tried charging with the phone powered down and got it to 100%.
But I'm still not sure whether this is just snake oil, because the indicated figure may not actually show the true charge.
Addendum: As I now know, it is snake oil. As far as I can tell, the phone charges normally. Only the indicator underreads. It does not reach 100%, it goes down rapidly, the phone keeps operating for hours with the indicator showing 3% or less.
And here is the solution.
I've had my Flyer a few months now and in the last few days the battery seems to be draining very quickly. I charged it full again last night and this morning it was at 88%.
I've turned everything off so just the bare bones of the device are alive and i'm using Juice Defender, and still no joy. It's only started doing this in the last few days so i presume the battery is on the way out very quickly.
I've let it drain to 10% and charged it, and it's made no difference.
I'm not going to mess about with settings and more waiting to see what it does etc...., I really just want to get a new battery and be done with.
Where can i buy a new battery? I've had a look on fleabay and no joy.
Any suggestions where to get one, part no. etc...?
Many thanks in advance
Recruiter1 said:
I've had my Flyer a few months now and in the last few days the battery seems to be draining very quickly. I charged it full again last night and this morning it was at 88%.
I've turned everything off so just the bare bones of the device are alive and i'm using Juice Defender, and still no joy. It's only started doing this in the last few days so i presume the battery is on the way out very quickly.
I've let it drain to 10% and charged it, and it's made no difference.
I'm not going to mess about with settings and more waiting to see what it does etc...., I really just want to get a new battery and be done with.
Where can i buy a new battery? I've had a look on fleabay and no joy.
Any suggestions where to get one, part no. etc...?
Many thanks in advance
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happened with me also....10% battery drained overnight...
what app is using most of ur battery?
sometimes push service in some free market apps drains a lot of battery and it keeps running even when app is closed... check running processes... well i uninstalled that app with push service and all became normal
Thanks for that but i've had a look through and it would seem that there isn't anything happening over night that i'm not expecting or that is being very hard on the battery.
I'm pretty confident the battery is the culprit here. Sourcing a new battery however is proving to be a problem. Somebody somewhere must be selling them.
I've just been on to HTC in the UK, they have a service centre not very far away from me and they won't sell me a battery or even give me a part no. for the battery.
Come on, somebody must know where to get one.
I think i might have found somewhere in China...
Battery - BG41200
3.7v - 4000mAh
If the prices were cheap enough how many of you would be interested in buying a battery for your Flyer.
Perhaps do a group buy?
i thought flyers battery is not user replaceable?
It's very replaceable and easy to do.
Here......
http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/cracking-open-the-htc-flyer/6256123
I'm going to have to look at getting a new battery sooner or later. It's getting to the point hat the battery is always running low by the time I get home in the evening or even running out. With pretty much the same use it used to be good for a day and a half easily. Flyer was purchase may or june 2011 so it really needs to last another 16 months or so.
Well......I ask again. If anyone knows of where to buy an internal Flyer battery please post a linky.
I posted this thread earlier today
"I just wanted to know what people are getting out of their batteries. I unplug mine around 7:30 am when i leave for work. When I get to work i turn on my wifi (rooted thunderbolt) and leave that on all day. I have the setting to turn wifi off (flyer) when screen is off. When I get home around 5:30 i switch to my home network and by 8-10 my battery is pretty much gone. Is this normal battery life or are there any tricks I'm not aware of that will help with battery. My wife has an Ipad 1 and she seems to get days of use out of it before she needs to charge it.
Also, I don't watch movies or video at work... most of my use is surfing, twitter and email."
I'm trying to figure out if what is normal battery life and If mine came with a bad battery. If so Yes I would be interested in getting a new one.
The Ipad battery has much longer life and is a much bigger capacity battery. The new HTC Jetstream also has a much bigger capacity battery as well. I think HTC have learned lessons on how much battery power these flyers use, but unfortunately have used Flyer owners as guinea pigs, rather like the first Apple iPhone but that had terrible battery issues as well although they've gotten better over time.
When my Flyer was brand new the battery lasted for ages and i couldn't understand what people were on about the battery not lasting for very long. So up until a few weeks ago my battery was doing fine and then almost within a day or two the battery started to run down quickly and has been doing so ever since. I've since loaded/unloaded new ROMS and done all the usual procedures for deleting the battery stats etc..., and still no joy.
I think the problem is with the battery not being man enough for the job at 4000mAh, and the drain is such that the battery is being worked hard since September last year (in my case) to a point where it is now progressively failing. I'm not so sure either that it's all that good in terms of quality.
Most of that time it has been charging from one source or another. If my Flyer isn't in the car or in the house it's not often being used battery only unlike most other people probably use the battery only a lot, so i can't understand why the battery is failing when it's not even that old.
This is a big issue with the Flyer and for what the device cost i would have expected a lot better. I think the Flyer in itself is a fantastic piece of kit that i will no doubt keep for a very long time as i did my XDA IIi but i never had problems buying another battery for my IIi. HTC will not sell me a battery, they insist i send the device to them and they will swap it but will cost about £50-£60 for the pleasure. I flatly refuse to pay that!!
What is required is a bigger capacity battery (6000-8000mAh) in the same packaging as the current battery however, i think for now i would happily settle for another of the same battery if i could just get hold of one.
So far it's proving an impossible task!!
Just to add: Once you've made sure there aren't apps being opened at startup that don't need to be opened until you're ready to use them, also make sure wifi/bluetooth, mobile data is all off when not required, and all the usual tweakes to make sure animations are off, screen is on the lowest brightness etc..., then there is not a lot more you can do. I don't know how much use something like Juice Defender will be as that only makes sure your data connections are off at night and other times you specify. I've tried it and it didn't help at all so i don't know what else to suggest apart from turning the radio part of the phone off completely at night if it isn't on charge.
If i leave my phone off charge all night, having fully charged first, i wake up in the morning and it's down to around 86-88% battery.
I've got a bit of a problem with my Xperia Ray and despite hours of googling I still can't find a solution so I thought I'd see if you guys could help
Had it for about 6 months now and it worked great up until a couple of weeks ago when suddenly the battery life got way shorter, like I used to be able to get close to 3 days if I didn't do anything but sending messages and using some basic apps and even with pretty heavy use it still lasted well over a day.
Recently though it lasts under 20 hours with absolutely no usage, when I leave the phone overnight it loses about 40% charge when previously the use was under 10 for the same time period and even if its turned off it loses charge at a similar rate.
The other problem that started around the same time was that whenever the phone turns off from lack of charge or I take out the battery the date resets to 6 January 1980 and the phone seems unable to automatically correct it. Previously my phone was able to retain the date even after the battery had run down completly.
The only thing I can think of that changed before the problems started was that I used a solar powered usb charger for a few days because I was tramping but I have no idea what that could have gone wrong or how I could fix it.
I've tried a full factory reset, upgraded the android software to 4.0.4 and used various battery apps to try to find anything that might be using all my battery with no success.
Its driving me crazy so any help would be great.
Also here's a picture of a recent day of usage (not enough posts to embed it properly sorry), except for a short run I didn't use the phone for anything
i.imgur.com/jZpybCN.png
AW: [Q] Ray battery recently shortened and it has also started time travelling
have you tried to use an other battery? maybe someone of your friends has a ray and can give you his battery for a few hours to test..
Logical_Leopard said:
I've got a bit of a problem with my Xperia Ray and despite hours of googling I still can't find a solution so I thought I'd see if you guys could help
Had it for about 6 months now and it worked great up until a couple of weeks ago when suddenly the battery life got way shorter, like I used to be able to get close to 3 days if I didn't do anything but sending messages and using some basic apps and even with pretty heavy use it still lasted well over a day.
Recently though it lasts under 20 hours with absolutely no usage, when I leave the phone overnight it loses about 40% charge when previously the use was under 10 for the same time period and even if its turned off it loses charge at a similar rate.
The other problem that started around the same time was that whenever the phone turns off from lack of charge or I take out the battery the date resets to 6 January 1980 and the phone seems unable to automatically correct it. Previously my phone was able to retain the date even after the battery had run down completly.
The only thing I can think of that changed before the problems started was that I used a solar powered usb charger for a few days because I was tramping but I have no idea what that could have gone wrong or how I could fix it.
I've tried a full factory reset, upgraded the android software to 4.0.4 and used various battery apps to try to find anything that might be using all my battery with no success.
Its driving me crazy so any help would be great.
Also here's a picture of a recent day of usage (not enough posts to embed it properly sorry), except for a short run I didn't use the phone for anything
i.imgur.com/jZpybCN.png
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Could be a lot of things. If the solar powered charger made your phone really hot while charging then the battery might be permanently damaged and you should try a different battery. It could also be that your power meter has gone wonky and this can be reset by charging the phone to 100% and then removing the battery and the usb cable from the phone for 10 minutes. Return the battery to the phone and charge it back up to 100%. Usually, when I experience something like this, it is some app that is draining the battery. Since you have just been trekking, maybe it is google maps. If it is tracking/updating you location, it will drain your battery really fast. You should be able to see this, just by going to system settings->battery. Stand by or Display are usually the big battery hogs.
AW: [Q] Ray battery recently shortened and it has also started time travelling
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...even if its turned off it loses charge at a similar rate
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you should really try another battery
justmpm you're always there to help i see
Thanks for the replys everyone!
I don't know anyone with a ray battery but I can buy a new one relatively cheap so I'll do that and see how it goes
I'll post results in a few days
Well I got a new battery yesterday as suggested and tried it out from full charge but unfortunately there was no change in the battery life, it still ran all the way down in less than 20 hours with minimal use
Begining to wonder if its a hardware fault within the phone itself
Hello Group,
At what battery drainage amount to you connect your LGV30 to a charger?? I got mine last weekend and to me the charge is decent but not great for being new at least to what I have been used to.
I use the charge cable that came in the LGV30 box and I also use my daughters wireless charger that she got for her Samsung Galaxy 8 since she doesn't use it and they both work great.
I generally charge it when it gets around 50-60% I dont know why but I cant stand my phone to ever get low even though certainly it will at times
Thanks, Jake
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I got mine last weekend and to me the charge is decent but not great for being new at least to what I have been used to.
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Are you talking about the speed of charge? For me the battery is so good I don't even look at it. At the end of the day, I put it on my slow wireless charger, and take it off in the morning when I go to work. Can't remember the last time I used the wired charger that came with the phone, but I thought it was super fast.
I normally plug in around 3%. Even though I know that's a bit low.
Here's todays battery usage.
I've been leaving high accuracy GPS on which is why my battery drains so quickly...
But I used my phone to stream music all night at work with GPM.
Sent from my LG-H932 using XDA Labs
Hey Group,
Good news, well I took my phone back to AT&T (they suck) and trying to explain that there is something wrong with the battery on a 1 week old new phone with one of the mindless helpers there is like trying to pick the correct 6 numbers on a lottery ticket.
I could tell pretty much as soon I I had brought it home (the bad one) but I decide to wait a week and give it time to see it get better even did the Oreo update. So anyway the young lady tells me that its me and I must have to many apps working in the background, I tell her, thanks but I dont have anymore then I always run and I basically use it for social media and some web surfing and I rarely do any games on it as I am a hard core computer gamer.
She again tells me that OH! you must have to many apps running in the background, I'm like (sigh) so I explained what I had just typed and so we go back and forth and she did not stop telling me about the apps in the background. I was going to get the Galaxy s9+ because I didnt want to deal with these jokers anymore but I decided to stick with my LGV30.
So now she tells me that the manager says I can just swap it out for another one if it passes their battery diagnostic test first, I said WHAT? so again I tell her from last night until this morning (about 5 hrs) when not being used it dropped almost 30% charge.
and of course it failed their "State of the Art" diagnostic test so I had to fork over another $45.oo to complete the deal but these phone is doing great.....theres more but this is the short version! btw, ATT&T is the DEVIL
Regards, Jake
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ATT&T is the DEVIL
Regards, Jake
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Actually it's Verizon, but postpaid AT&T is close second.
I try to never fully charge or discharge. High of 80-90% ... low of 20% or so ....
Best battery life I've had so far on a phone.
Hello everyone,
I'm not normally on the Moto Z Forums, but i currently (as the techy guy in my family) am faced with a strange issue. I have 5 people in close relationship (Parents, wife, husband of my sister...) with Moto Z's. Every single one of them is acting really weird. They all randomly shut down between 50% and 15%. After turning back on, they state anywhere between 1% and 5% charge left. On plugging the charger in, they claim 100% charger within under 30 minutes. Battery life between those 5 phones varies between poor and abysmal (sub 1h SOT to 2h SOT).
All those things aren't phone specific. Every single phone has shown any of those combinations. All of them are out of warranty. Since most of them depend on their phone daily without replacements at hand atm, i'm not able to spend days unlocking, flashing, rooting or the likes. I'm trying to convince my wife to let me factory reset the phone, but atm, she'd rather live with it then having to re set up 3 years of phone usage (i get that to a point. Not how i use my phone, but "normal" people are different in that regard).
I already read several thread around degraded Batterys, but this doesn't seem to be the case here. The biggest Problem are the random shutdowns. You never know when, below 50%, the phone will just turn off.
Additionally, two of those phones sporadically Have malfunctioning microphones. In calls and recordings they occasionally only transmit static noise. Usually that fixes itself within an hour or two (without any intervention).
I'm at a loss here. Any tips on what to try to mitigate those Problems? Since we're at a point where most affected are debating buying new phones, i'm willing give anything a try (as far as i can get someone to give up their phone for a day). Thanks for reading all of that.
domsch1988 said:
Hello everyone,
I'm not normally on the Moto Z Forums, but i currently (as the techy guy in my family) am faced with a strange issue. I have 5 people in close relationship (Parents, wife, husband of my sister...) with Moto Z's. Every single one of them is acting really weird. They all randomly shut down between 50% and 15%. After turning back on, they state anywhere between 1% and 5% charge left. On plugging the charger in, they claim 100% charger within under 30 minutes. Battery life between those 5 phones varies between poor and abysmal (sub 1h SOT to 2h SOT).
All those things aren't phone specific. Every single phone has shown any of those combinations. All of them are out of warranty. Since most of them depend on their phone daily without replacements at hand atm, i'm not able to spend days unlocking, flashing, rooting or the likes. I'm trying to convince my wife to let me factory reset the phone, but atm, she'd rather live with it then having to re set up 3 years of phone usage (i get that to a point. Not how i use my phone, but "normal" people are different in that regard).
I already read several thread around degraded Batterys, but this doesn't seem to be the case here. The biggest Problem are the random shutdowns. You never know when, below 50%, the phone will just turn off.
Additionally, two of those phones sporadically Have malfunctioning microphones. In calls and recordings they occasionally only transmit static noise. Usually that fixes itself within an hour or two (without any intervention).
I'm at a loss here. Any tips on what to try to mitigate those Problems? Since we're at a point where most affected are debating buying new phones, i'm willing give anything a try (as far as i can get someone to give up their phone for a day). Thanks for reading all of that.
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Random shutdown is a common battery problem known in all types of lithium cell batteries (very common in used laptops), it's very common in Moto Z due to small battery(degrading is more visible) and overheating(degrading happens quickly)
However, the bigger problem is that some phones show 100% charge without the battery actually charging to 100%. To test if your phone is affected by this bug which appears in degraded batteries, simply turn off the phone when it shows 100% and connect the charger while it's off and it should show different battery percentage (for me it shows 96%), you can further charge the battery for 1hour while it's off even if it shows 100% and you will notice a much better SoT
domsch1988 said:
I already read several thread around degraded Batterys, but this doesn't seem to be the case here.
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what you're describing IS a symptom of degraded batteries. once the batteries start to go bad, the % indicator can't be trusted.
If you're a DIY sort of person, maybe this might be useful to you:
https://ifixit.org/blog/11644/motorola-ifixit-partnership/
https://www.ifixit.com/Store/Parts/Moto-Z-Replacement-Battery/IF368-002-2