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Motorola url: http://mediacenter.motorola.com/Fact-Sheets/Motorola-ATRIX-4G-Fact-Sheet-353b.aspx(Screenshot attached for those who are on device.)
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Processor: 2 processor cores running at 1GHz each
Nvidia url: http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra-2.html
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CPU: Dual-Core ARM Cortex A9
Frequency: 1 GHz, per core
Does this mean we have an effective 2GHz processing power in this device.
On a side note, my laptop is a quad core 2GHz, with each core at ~500MHz adding up to 2GHz in all. So that line got be confused thinking.
I've never heard of a 500Mhz quad core processor, but I have heard of a 2Ghz quad core processor, effectively providing 8GHz of processing power.
Nah, it really doesn't work like that. Each core will only run at 1ghz MAX, the benefit to having a second (or more) cores is that while you are doing something the second core is doing background stuff and you aren't getting bogged down. Or if the app supports it it can use both. Here's where things get fun....if your app uses both cores running at 1 ghz each it can TECHNICALLY process as fast as a 2ghz SINGLE CORE but its more like you get 50%-75% more performance from the second core. So I guess TECHNICALLY it would be the same as a single core 2ghz CPU...but at the same time not really? A 2ghz single would do things faster on single tasks, but multitasking the dual core is way better IMO. Hope that helps some.
harolds said:
I've never heard of a 500Mhz quad core processor, but I have heard of a 2Ghz quad core processor, effectively providing 8GHz of processing power.
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Check in any CPU analyzer. Mine is a quad core, and each processor gets noted as ~500 MHz. I think u can find it even in 'device manager'.
Initially I too thought that I was getting 8GHz of power in my CPU, only to find later that it was infact 500x4.
Strange, my office system (desktop) is a dual core, and shows it at each core at 3GHz. Will check once more on my laptop when I get home. This is crazy!
But good to know. Even the graphics part of it has 8 cores. Was going through the specs. It rocks!
diablo009 said:
Check in any CPU analyzer. Mine is a quad core, and each processor gets noted as ~500 MHz. I think u can find it even in 'device manager'.
Initially I too thought that I was getting 8GHz of power in my CPU, only to find later that it was infact 500x4.
Strange, my office system (desktop) is a dual core, and shows it at each core at 3GHz. Will check once more on my laptop when I get home. This is crazy!
But good to know. Even the graphics part of it has 8 cores. Was going through the specs. It rocks!
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Are you sure your processor hasn't been underclocked as part of some sort of battery saving feature? I don't think most applications can even utilize all 4 cores, which would mean individual applications would perform...pretty slowly. Right?
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Are you sure your processor hasn't been underclocked as part of some sort of battery saving feature? I don't think most applications can even utilize all 4 cores, which would mean individual applications would perform...pretty slowly. Right?
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This has always been baffling me. I'll check today evening n update here. But now I am super happy abt the processor in atrix.
if you are in windows run cpu-z and post a screen shot.
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if you are in windows run cpu-z and post a screen shot.
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Here u go.
its this processor. each core runs at a clock of 2ghz
http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=40480
according that screen shot, you have
2GHZ * 4CORES = 8GHZ
so... you had 8ghz all along!
Techcruncher said:
according that screen shot, you have
2GHZ * 4CORES = 8GHZ
so... you had 8ghz all along!
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Aaah!!! No wonder I paid $1300 for this laptop in July 2009. And no wonder games released even in 2011 are playing so well without any frame rate issue.
Thanks for clearing this up kind sir.
These are super limited. They were released on the 20th on the HP site at $599 then pulled before they sold many. I am not sure why they did this. Maybe they will relist them when the last wave of HP Touchpads go for sale.
Aside from it being 1.5 GHz and having 64 GB of space, what differences are there? Think it is a higher binned CPU? Maybe it will hit 1.9 GHz easily. Perhaps it even has better cooling since it is clocked higher. I also wonder if the PCB is different. Maybe it has a USB powered 4G "slot" somewhere on it. That would be a fun mod to give the tablet a USB port with a little soldering. Hopefully they used the same PCB as the 4G version.
I get mine Tuesday. Anyone else here get one and willing to disassemble?
If you are wondering what the hell I am talking about, you can refer to the post on SD that points to a site where 200 were sold.
slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3236371
wow, white would look amazing! is the digitizer white aswell? your lucky dude! does it have 3g?
No, my understanding is that it's the same SoC as the 16/32gb version. The same thing was going to happen for the HSPA+ AT&T version.
http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/287396-tps-apq8060-cpu-ment-clocked-1-5ghz.html
This is why OC'ing to 1.5ghz is virtually danger free.
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No, my understanding is that it's the same SoC as the 16/32gb version. The same thing was going to happen for the HSPA+ AT&T version.
http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/287396-tps-apq8060-cpu-ment-clocked-1-5ghz.html
This is why OC'ing to 1.5ghz is virtually danger free.
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1.7 should be virtually risk free as well.
Dual core Scorpions have a baseline of 1.2Ghz and a max of 1.5Ghz. Anything above 1.5Ghz is a risk.
wrong the 1.2 on our cpu is under clocked. 1.5 is normal and 1.7 is a super easy 200mhz OC
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Dual core Scorpions have a baseline of 1.2Ghz and a max of 1.5Ghz. Anything above 1.5Ghz is a risk.
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While that may be true for some chips, its obviously not true here. No manufacturer will release a chip and use it to its max potential right off the bat. Not only is that dangerous (overheat/melting/high failure rates), but not good business sense.
All newer smartphones/tablets, especially ones running The snapdragon chip and the tegra 2 chip are ALL underclocked slightly.
In our case, HP UNDERclocked our chip. Normally it sees duty running @ 1.5ghz (as in the white TP), but they chose to run it at 1.2ghz in ours. Thats why its deemed safe to "overclock" our TP to 1.5ghz, and some like me, clock it @ 1.712.
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its possible for HP to be binning the CPUs for the 1.5ghz
(like how AMD bins the quad core CPUs. if it doesn't make the cut, disable that core and sell it as tri-core CPU)
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its possible for HP to be binning the CPUs for the 1.5ghz
(like how AMD bins the quad core CPUs. if it doesn't make the cut, disable that core and sell it as tri-core CPU)
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doubt it, they wouldnt go through all that trouble..
Well, I started using it today. So far I have logging off, dev mode on, preware installed. I am not going to change the kernel because for all I know it bricks the 64GB versions. I think I will hold out until overclocking is as simple as an app like with the hd2.
If anyone has any specific questions or things that I can look up, please ask.
I've got a question - what on earth possesses someone to spend four times as much money to get a device that is a different color and comes with $10 more worth of storage?
;-)
Has anyone tried the kernel from the 64gb to the 16/32gb models?
Official speed up?
Just so I can say I have one of the super rare white ones. TBH, I tried getting the other ones and was out of luck. I was on vacation Friday-Sunday that weekend. I placed orders on Sunday night and this was the only one to go through. I was on them the second they were posted on SD. 260 shipped for a tablet that hardware wise is better than the Ipad 2 64GB is a good deal in my book. Right now it sucks for apps, but I am sure the android port will fix that within the next 6 months.
Supposedly someone has overclocked it. Go to page 41 on that thread I linked on my first post here. Someone claims to have overclocked it to 1.92 causing it to lockup. 1.7 seems stable. I guess that is no different than the 16 and 32.
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Well, I started using it today. So far I have logging off, dev mode on, preware installed. I am not going to change the kernel because for all I know it bricks the 64GB versions. I think I will hold out until overclocking is as simple as an app like with the hd2.
If anyone has any specific questions or things that I can look up, please ask.
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The touchpads are all the same except for the obvious 64 GB of space and the white shell.
Then what allowing the 64gb model to run at the stock clock and the rest running underclocked?
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Then what allowing the 64gb model to run at the stock clock and the rest running underclocked?
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Frequency HP let them run at? 1.5 GHz is stock clocks for our processor. Which is why everyone can "OC" to it so easily. HP underclocked for battery/heat reasons.
1.84Ghz ****ers!
Nburnes said:
Frequency HP let them run at? 1.5 GHz is stock clocks for our processor. Which is why everyone can "OC" to it so easily. HP underclocked for battery/heat reasons.
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So, then its not like in the kernel or anything HP programmed to make the 64gb run at the stock clock? Dang ya'll.
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1.84Ghz ****ers!
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Same, just more politely .
You may want to sell this baby. I saw one on ebay that had a ending bid of $820.... a couple of days ago there was one that sold for $520.
Is there a way to overclock the Adreno 220 GPU that I consider to be laying dormant as of now inside the HTC EVO 3D and Sensation? I read some of post the the Desire HD section that mentioned they were jealous that the sensation already got a GPU overclock but they didn't provide a link and my searches have come up with nothing. If I could, I would post a link, but I didn't find anything. If anyone could provide a hit of clarity or insight into this topic, please do.
there is already a thread requesting that:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1285205
here is the sensation kernel:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1256668
Dear god I wouldn't do that. The adreno 220 is a very good gpu. I think it's the fastest one commercially available.
Plus I've had a bad history with gpu overclocking. I tried overclocking my ATI 4820 and it just ended up not working at all
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FYI, just about every single ROM available right now already has overclocked GPU, check the changelogs/feature lists.
well thank you for redirecting me, and i was hoping somebody would have made some sort of app as was done for the Samsung GSII, but thank you nonetheless
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FYI, just about every single ROM available right now already has overclocked GPU, check the changelogs/feature lists.
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From every ROM I've ever seen they never say the GPU has been overclocked. That requires Kernel modified.
Everything I've seen states "GPU Tweaks" which I believe only means they've tweaked the amount of memory allocated or the MPAA settings. Which is just a simple prop edit.
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FYI, just about every single ROM available right now already has overclocked GPU, check the changelogs/feature lists.
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roms cant overclock the GPU - it is overclocked in the kernel - most roms use stock kernel.
im working on a kernel now to OC the GPU to qualcomm spec. (so its not really being overclocked - but it is abt 40mhz faster than HTC spec)
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roms cant overclock the GPU - it is overclocked in the kernel - most roms use stock kernel.
im working on a kernel now to OC the GPU to qualcomm spec. (so its not really being overclocked - but it is abt 40mhz faster than HTC spec)
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hao pley?
lol serious question.
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mahbad
sometimes I post drivel
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how is this thread going ?
I would really much like to see the possibility to overclock the adreno 220 because I think we can gain a lot of preformance in games etc..
hope someone looks in to it
Actually that isn't over clocking at all. Thats the normal speed. Htc under clocked it on us.
deadlocked007 said:
Umm its been here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1318005
It overclocks the gpu to either 300 mhz or 320
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is this gonna work on Europe version?
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Actually that isn't over clocking at all. Thats the normal speed. Htc under clocked it on us.
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qualcomm spec was 320MHz max (for HW001 and HW002)
i have 2 kernels - 1 @ 300 and 1 @ 320
How the andrino 220 stack up now,compare to the iphone 4S one and the mali 400,any answers will be greatly appreciated.
I am looking to buy a new phone,i don't like iphones,my current one is a Vibrant,so i am thinking about the Galaxys 2 from T mobile.
But since it use a 1.5 qualcoom cpu and andreno 220 GPU i don't know,since i don't know that GPU well,i don't know if it is weak or not,i love the Vibrant GPU it was quite ahead of anything until the Tegra 2 arrived.
Let's summarize for a second here:
The Qualcomm CPU is built for 1.5GHz, but underclocked to 1.2 GHz to save on battery and heat.
The Adreno 220 is underclocked to save on battery and heat.
The Adreno 220 is anywhere from ~5-50% faster than the Tegra 2 dependent on the benchmark/utility/application
The Adreno 220 (even underclocked) will perform so well that any mobile game out today will run without any perceived negative performance that is humanly detectible.
The Adreno 220 performs so well that the above will still be true for any mobile game that comes out between now and the time you get your next device
With the above facts true, there is effectively zero reason to currently want or need to overclock the GPU. What reason did you have to want to? Just to say you did? The way I see it the perceived benefits can't possibly outweigh the risks. I'm not sure (without doing the research) but I believe the Adreno 220 is still the best performing GPU on the market.
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Let's summarize for a second here:
The Qualcomm CPU is built for 1.5GHz, but underclocked to 1.2 GHz to save on battery and heat.
The Adreno 220 is underclocked to save on battery and heat.
The Adreno 220 is anywhere from ~5-50% faster than the Tegra 2 dependent on the benchmark/utility/application
The Adreno 220 (even underclocked) will perform so well that any mobile game out today will run without any perceived negative performance that is humanly detectible.
The Adreno 220 performs so well that the above will still be true for any mobile game that comes out between now and the time you get your next device
With the above facts true, there is effectively zero reason to currently want or need to overclock the GPU. What reason did you have to want to? Just to say you did? The way I see it the perceived benefits can't possibly outweigh the risks. I'm not sure (without doing the research) but I believe the Adreno 220 is still the best performing GPU on the market.
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I have see some performance test and at least vs the Mali 400 which the other galaxy have is actually the slowest,i actually have read some reviews that say the T mobile one is the weakest performance wise thanks to the Adreno 220,but saw some text in which the Adreno was faster than the Tegra 2.
Since i am looking to buy a T mobile galaxy S i am trying to get the most research to see if i get it or not.
Does any have an opinion as so the speed between the 1.2 GHz dual-core Qualcomm Snapdragon APQ8060 va tegra 2.
Seems like all the major players are using tegra 2 but the hp touchpad sports 1.2 GHz dual-core Qualcomm Snapdragon APQ8060.
Is one chip more costly then the other?
My guess is that the tegra 2 is cheaper thats why the mainstream tablets are using it. But I could be wrong.
Any input?
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Does any have an opinion as so the speed between the 1.2 GHz dual-core Qualcomm Snapdragon APQ8060 va tegra 2.
Seems like all the major players are using tegra 2 but the hp touchpad sports 1.2 GHz dual-core Qualcomm Snapdragon APQ8060.
Is one chip more costly then the other?
My guess is that the tegra 2 is cheaper thats why the mainstream tablets are using it. But I could be wrong.
Any input?
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Most of the Honeycomb tablets use Tegra 2 because Honeycomb was primarily built for Tegra 2 much the same way ICS was built primarily for omap 4.
As far as speed goes, with identical clock speed the GPU in the APQ8060 (Adreno 220) is twice as fast as the one in Tegra, while Tegra has a slightly faster CPU. They average out to be even.
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i will tell you something graphic drivers in android are big problem and google cant do anything about it as the number of devices are too many,i mean to say they cant optimize it as it is in the control of oems and there is the problem as most oems dont have great developers you get scrap drivers on the chipset, you can see tegra drivers on 1 and 2 are not so great, i have notion ink and touchpad alpha 3 the flash videos in touchpad alpha are great with no stuttering but in notion ink there is so much stuttering while playing.coz tegra is new where is qualcomm has been around for longtime and they know much better than nvidia in optimizing their drivers.this is where apple is much better than google as they have a single chipset to optimize and no oems to worry about so their products come with optimized drivers and work great.i wish there was a way oems could collaborate on their drivers with google so it would work great for android in terms of the os delivery for all
Why is this in development for :s
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Why is this in development for :s
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A very simple example: Tegra 2 can't play 1080 video, Qualcomm APQ8060 can play flawlessly
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Thank you for this.....
hakkinenvthh said:
A very simple example: Tegra 2 can't play 1080 video, Qualcomm APQ8060 can play flawlessly
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There is a guy who thinks he knows more about tablets than most ppl. He's very annoying with the information that he does have. I came across an HP TouchPad and loaded the CM9 Nightly build and was talking about the difference between a device that had the Tigra 2. He was trying to tell me that the Tigra 2 was better but I couldn't find a difference. So now I can go back and show him what I've never even noticed (except for the fact that I think my video is better) seeing as there is a lack of games that are working on ICS 4.0.4 I'm not able to show him anything that looks good. I cant get any HD games working.
If you can let me know what the most compatible game packages I should be looking for with the HP Touch 32 GB please let me know. I've tried just about everything even the Samsung Galaxy II. I get all the way to the game and it just closes.
adreno 220 GPU its 2x more powerful than tegra 2 GPU,
and if you overclocked the touchpad CPU at 1.8ghz will be 50‰ more faster
I've over clocked to 1.5Ghz and she's smooth as a whistle. I'm noticing that none none of the HD games r working is there an update as to when that maybe fixed ? Or am I just using the wrong install files... I've got some HD games for some of my other devices I would love to pay them on this new system :beer:
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ShadowTech2008 said:
I've over clocked to 1.5Ghz and she's smooth as a whistle. I'm noticing that none none of the HD games r working is there an update as to when that maybe fixed ? Or am I just using the wrong install files... I've got some HD games for some of my other devices I would love to pay them on this new system :beer:
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what custom rom use?
because on my touchpad i can play every new and old hd games
I'm using the nightly build 4.0.4 CM9.
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OK the latest update.... I'm not sure what happened or why the games were not working. However after restarting the system (after installing the game) it worked... not sure why.... thanks to everyone for all your help and hard work... I'm wondering when the expected fix for the camera will be out. It will be nice to use Skype on this :beer:
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CPU wise tegra is better just for the fact that they are using a9 cores and the s3 snapdragon uses scorpion cores which are more closely related to the a8. S3 snapdragon @ 1.5 ghz is less than or equal to an a9 based processor running @ 1 GHz.
GPU goes to the snapdragon as its a lot more powerful GPU than the geforce GPU in the tegra... however there is much much more high end games that are tuned in to work with the tegra GPU so in real world performance its about a wash. Do you prefer performance or compatibility.
The one spot that the snapdragon processor shines is battery life. Going back to the s3 running @ 1.5 GHz and the a9 based SoC running @ 1 GHz you'll actually see better battery life from the s3 as the cores are more power efficient, but in the end your not really going to notice the difference unless you plan on playing 1080p videos which is a little bit pointless seeing as our screen isn't even 720p and 1080p video takes up a lot of space.
Long story short its pretty much a wash barring the 1080p video.
Edited because of damn auto correct!
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is there a way to fake a tegra device¿ with the latest nightlys and chainfire i got mothing to work!
or is chainfire working on cm9/
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Helmut_TuT_GuT said:
is there a way to fake a tegra device¿ with the latest nightlys and chainfire i got mothing to work!
or is chainfire working on cm9/
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I don't use chain fire. I'm just using the adreno drivers. Also to spoof as another device u will have to edit your build props. Make sure u do a full backup and backup your build.props
You can use rom toolbox.
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ShadowTech2008 said:
I don't use chain fire. I'm just using the adreno drivers. Also to spoof as another device u will have to edit your build props. Make sure u do a full backup and backup your build.props
You can use rom toolbox.
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This is a useful step by step guide from Reverend Kyle .
http://www.reverendkyle.com/index.php/articles/107-how-to-edit-the-build-prop-file-in-android .
Build.prop Editor (available in play store) is a great way to edit your build.prop. it automatically stores a backup every time you edit as well.
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Helmut_TuT_GuT said:
is there a way to fake a tegra device¿ with the latest nightlys and chainfire i got mothing to work!
or is chainfire working on cm9/
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You can spoof a tegra 2 GPU but not a tegra 3 GPU with chain fire.
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do ihave just to spoof the build or do i have also to install chainfire.?
Helmut_TuT_GuT said:
do ihave just to spoof the build or do i have also to install chainfire.?
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If your spoofing the GPU then you will need chainfire. If your just doing what I'm doing and simply spoofing the market to games built for the adreno GPU then just edit your build.props
I'm spoofing the market to think I'm a galaxy s2 or Motorola Xoom. They both have the same CPU. Galaxy S2 uses the Tegra 2 signature and the Motorola Xoom uses the Adreno signature. Both of these spoofs do not require me to have the chainfire program. I did install the adreno drivers linked to the original install post.
I'm thinking I going to start to play around with the chainfire GPU spoof options more for game download compatibility. As far as downloading and installing a Tegra 2 game, you will need to spoof the GPU for the download (unless you manually find the correct apk) and the install will also need the GPU spoof. Once the install is done then disable the GPU spoof. Then run the game with your Galaxy spoof or your Xoom spoof.
Please note that I've spoofed my build.props and have not changed it since. I'm currently showing my device as a Motorola Xoom. I'm able to play all the games. Only every now and than do I change it for the game install. Then i put it back and I have no issues. HD games and all.
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Is there any noticeable performance difference between these two versions?
yes 1.5 ghz is much smoother, apps run better, most have 1gb RAM. However, it still has problems. If you are set on an archos, go for the 1.5 turbo, and make sure it has 1gb ram (mine said it on the box)
Shano56 said:
yes 1.5 ghz is much smoother, apps run better, most have 1gb RAM. However, it still has problems. If you are set on an archos, go for the 1.5 turbo, and make sure it has 1gb ram (mine said it on the box)
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What kind of problems? I'v found one with 1GB RAM, 16gb but with 1ghz core. Do you think that would be OK? Should i expect and little bit ocing?
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What kind of problems? I'v found one with 1GB RAM, 16gb but with 1ghz core. Do you think that would be OK? Should i expect and little bit ocing?
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you can oc 1ghz to 1.2, which helps a little. I would highly recommend 1.5 ghz tho if you can get one.
For the problems, just the standard bugs, archos firmware is still buggy, however 4.0.7 works good for most.