Is there any noticeable performance difference between these two versions?
yes 1.5 ghz is much smoother, apps run better, most have 1gb RAM. However, it still has problems. If you are set on an archos, go for the 1.5 turbo, and make sure it has 1gb ram (mine said it on the box)
Shano56 said:
yes 1.5 ghz is much smoother, apps run better, most have 1gb RAM. However, it still has problems. If you are set on an archos, go for the 1.5 turbo, and make sure it has 1gb ram (mine said it on the box)
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What kind of problems? I'v found one with 1GB RAM, 16gb but with 1ghz core. Do you think that would be OK? Should i expect and little bit ocing?
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What kind of problems? I'v found one with 1GB RAM, 16gb but with 1ghz core. Do you think that would be OK? Should i expect and little bit ocing?
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you can oc 1ghz to 1.2, which helps a little. I would highly recommend 1.5 ghz tho if you can get one.
For the problems, just the standard bugs, archos firmware is still buggy, however 4.0.7 works good for most.
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For Archos 101/70 etc
here is the link now lets get to work
http://www.archos.com/support/download/software/sources/gen8-gpl-froyo.tgz
Custom ROMs like HTC Sense builds and Motoblur and Cyanogenmod should be more straightforward now.
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Root access and custom recovery are steps 1 and 2. Then that can happen. Hopefully Root isn't far away.
Fingers crossed because the froyo release archos delivered was a BIG disappointment for many..
Waiting for root and recovery.
Then, we can flash custom rom and kernel to the Archos tablet.
Really disappointed on the speed. At the beginning, I think 1G cpu should be really fast .... but now @ froyo, the speed is really slower than my Nexus one (very very much slower...)
Especially when doing multiple web-page browsing and heavy network loading, my Archos 70 lag lag lag all the time....
Hope Archos will release a fix that optimize the power of the machine very soon.
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Waiting for root and recovery.
Then, we can flash custom rom and kernel to the Archos tablet.
Really disappointed on the speed. At the beginning, I think 1G cpu should be really fast .... but now @ froyo, the speed is really slower than my Nexus one (very very much slower...)
Especially when doing multiple web-page browsing and heavy network loading, my Archos 70 lag lag lag all the time....
Hope Archos will release a fix that optimize the power of the machine very soon.
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Archos downclocked it to 800Mhz with 2.2 release.
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Archos downclocked it to 800Mhz with 2.2 release.
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While you are correct, I think the reason is not only limited to 800Mhz.
I set my Nexus One to 806Mhz and still find out the response and speed are much higher than my Archos 70 running at full speed (setcpu to 1000Mhz)
There must be something wrong in the firmware and the wifi driver that is not optimized such that the machine looks generally much much slower than any other android systems running at the same frequency.
Yes, 2.2.1 on Archos 70 s***s
+1
My Milestone downclocked to 250 mhz is faster than my Archos 70 at 800 or 1000 mhz....
Root access will complete the froyo update
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While you are correct, I think the reason is not only limited to 800Mhz.
I set my Nexus One to 806Mhz and still find out the response and speed are much higher than my Archos 70 running at full speed (setcpu to 1000Mhz)
There must be something wrong in the firmware and the wifi driver that is not optimized such that the machine looks generally much much slower than any other android systems running at the same frequency.
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Yeah but your nexus one also has double the memory, and it seems that the JIT doesnt work the same on the Archos 2.2 build , quadrant and linpack scores are pretty much the same from 2.1 to 2.2, where as on every phone 2.2 double or sometimes triple the linpack scores.
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While you are correct, I think the reason is not only limited to 800Mhz.
I set my Nexus One to 806Mhz and still find out the response and speed are much higher than my Archos 70 running at full speed (setcpu to 1000Mhz)
There must be something wrong in the firmware and the wifi driver that is not optimized such that the machine looks generally much much slower than any other android systems running at the same frequency.
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The problem with Archos 70 is the screen size and less RAM
The nexus one has a much smaller resolution for the CPU to draw while it has double the amount of RAM
End of story.
**Notice there's no GPU acceleration in Android UI even at 2.3. Wait till Honeycomb for that.
The nexus one has a much smaller resolution for the CPU to draw while it has double the amount of RAM
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suprise, resolution is the same
should not be so slow und unstable with 256RAM
czesiu said:
suprise, resolution is the same
should not be so slow und unstable with 256RAM
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oh my, i didn't know the N1 packed that many pixels...
sorry about the bad inform.
Then it's the CPU: Cortex A8 vs Snapdragon
and : 256MB vs 512MB of ram
but since both CPU clocked at 1GHz, most likely it's the ram that's not sufficient.
What would help is the ability to disable Multitask in apps except selective ones by user.
I guess Apple was RIGHT when they choose to not implement MULTITASK in the earlier iPhones. These also have limited RAM, only 128MB... leaving only 40MB after iOS boot up.
I'd be happy with my Archos with minimum Multitasking. Just music apps get multitask.
(I use Auto Memory Manager to auto kill apps when my memory hits certain level)
Guys, is it possible to speed up the tablet? The new rom works good, but sometimes it hangs a lot.. So is it possible too disable memory-eating processes??
Dreetje said:
Guys, is it possible to speed up the tablet? The new rom works good, but sometimes it hangs a lot.. So is it possible too disable memory-eating processes??
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Well You can use a task killer app to keep memory clear if you want. There are also several threads on Archosfans.com's forums about using z4root (only temp root at the moment) and the SetCPU to speed up the CPU to 1Ghz, and raise the min. clock value too.
I have mine on min. 800 and max. 1000 Mhz ... except when screen is off. Feels quite smooth, though when memory is full, it still gets a bit laggy.
I read somewhere that they have JIT disabled too.... dont quote me, but I read it from a thread that referenced another thread that said this other guy knew it was disabled...
I did read it somewhere, but I don't know if its true.
If the build.prop is any indication then it is not enabled. There is no command there to enable JIT like is on my other devices that have 2.2.
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If the build.prop is any indication then it is not enabled. There is no command there to enable JIT like is on my other devices that have 2.2.
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Interesting. If JIT is disable, then we're loosing a lot of performance just because of that. That and the under clocked 800 is a double kill.
Archos is rushing to put our a patch soon from what I've heard. The patch is suppose to include Flash and the JIT enabled. If this is the case, then the patch will do wonders for performance.
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Archos is rushing to put our a patch soon from what I've heard. The patch is suppose to include Flash and the JIT enabled. If this is the case, then the patch will do wonders for performance.
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This will be nice if true. I just hope they don't rush like they did with the first 2.2. I would rather wait a little bit to have more things working correctly.
If JIT was disabled on this build it would explain a lot. I had my A70 with 1.0.84 for day or two and it worked "faster" than with this froyo update. I'm no expert but... Archos was under lot of pressure to deliver 2.2 on Gen8 so they probably rushed it. I was gonna wait for better firmware of 2.2 but I didn't want to install all apps and then reinstall from scratch on 2.2. They are making these firmwares every 2-4 weeks so soon we will probably see another update. cajl, charbax any news on this?
Charbax is probably busy at LeWeb
These are super limited. They were released on the 20th on the HP site at $599 then pulled before they sold many. I am not sure why they did this. Maybe they will relist them when the last wave of HP Touchpads go for sale.
Aside from it being 1.5 GHz and having 64 GB of space, what differences are there? Think it is a higher binned CPU? Maybe it will hit 1.9 GHz easily. Perhaps it even has better cooling since it is clocked higher. I also wonder if the PCB is different. Maybe it has a USB powered 4G "slot" somewhere on it. That would be a fun mod to give the tablet a USB port with a little soldering. Hopefully they used the same PCB as the 4G version.
I get mine Tuesday. Anyone else here get one and willing to disassemble?
If you are wondering what the hell I am talking about, you can refer to the post on SD that points to a site where 200 were sold.
slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3236371
wow, white would look amazing! is the digitizer white aswell? your lucky dude! does it have 3g?
No, my understanding is that it's the same SoC as the 16/32gb version. The same thing was going to happen for the HSPA+ AT&T version.
http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/287396-tps-apq8060-cpu-ment-clocked-1-5ghz.html
This is why OC'ing to 1.5ghz is virtually danger free.
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No, my understanding is that it's the same SoC as the 16/32gb version. The same thing was going to happen for the HSPA+ AT&T version.
http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/287396-tps-apq8060-cpu-ment-clocked-1-5ghz.html
This is why OC'ing to 1.5ghz is virtually danger free.
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1.7 should be virtually risk free as well.
Dual core Scorpions have a baseline of 1.2Ghz and a max of 1.5Ghz. Anything above 1.5Ghz is a risk.
wrong the 1.2 on our cpu is under clocked. 1.5 is normal and 1.7 is a super easy 200mhz OC
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Dual core Scorpions have a baseline of 1.2Ghz and a max of 1.5Ghz. Anything above 1.5Ghz is a risk.
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While that may be true for some chips, its obviously not true here. No manufacturer will release a chip and use it to its max potential right off the bat. Not only is that dangerous (overheat/melting/high failure rates), but not good business sense.
All newer smartphones/tablets, especially ones running The snapdragon chip and the tegra 2 chip are ALL underclocked slightly.
In our case, HP UNDERclocked our chip. Normally it sees duty running @ 1.5ghz (as in the white TP), but they chose to run it at 1.2ghz in ours. Thats why its deemed safe to "overclock" our TP to 1.5ghz, and some like me, clock it @ 1.712.
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1.7 should be virtually risk free as well.
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its possible for HP to be binning the CPUs for the 1.5ghz
(like how AMD bins the quad core CPUs. if it doesn't make the cut, disable that core and sell it as tri-core CPU)
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its possible for HP to be binning the CPUs for the 1.5ghz
(like how AMD bins the quad core CPUs. if it doesn't make the cut, disable that core and sell it as tri-core CPU)
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doubt it, they wouldnt go through all that trouble..
Well, I started using it today. So far I have logging off, dev mode on, preware installed. I am not going to change the kernel because for all I know it bricks the 64GB versions. I think I will hold out until overclocking is as simple as an app like with the hd2.
If anyone has any specific questions or things that I can look up, please ask.
I've got a question - what on earth possesses someone to spend four times as much money to get a device that is a different color and comes with $10 more worth of storage?
;-)
Has anyone tried the kernel from the 64gb to the 16/32gb models?
Official speed up?
Just so I can say I have one of the super rare white ones. TBH, I tried getting the other ones and was out of luck. I was on vacation Friday-Sunday that weekend. I placed orders on Sunday night and this was the only one to go through. I was on them the second they were posted on SD. 260 shipped for a tablet that hardware wise is better than the Ipad 2 64GB is a good deal in my book. Right now it sucks for apps, but I am sure the android port will fix that within the next 6 months.
Supposedly someone has overclocked it. Go to page 41 on that thread I linked on my first post here. Someone claims to have overclocked it to 1.92 causing it to lockup. 1.7 seems stable. I guess that is no different than the 16 and 32.
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Well, I started using it today. So far I have logging off, dev mode on, preware installed. I am not going to change the kernel because for all I know it bricks the 64GB versions. I think I will hold out until overclocking is as simple as an app like with the hd2.
If anyone has any specific questions or things that I can look up, please ask.
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The touchpads are all the same except for the obvious 64 GB of space and the white shell.
Then what allowing the 64gb model to run at the stock clock and the rest running underclocked?
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Then what allowing the 64gb model to run at the stock clock and the rest running underclocked?
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Frequency HP let them run at? 1.5 GHz is stock clocks for our processor. Which is why everyone can "OC" to it so easily. HP underclocked for battery/heat reasons.
1.84Ghz ****ers!
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Frequency HP let them run at? 1.5 GHz is stock clocks for our processor. Which is why everyone can "OC" to it so easily. HP underclocked for battery/heat reasons.
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So, then its not like in the kernel or anything HP programmed to make the 64gb run at the stock clock? Dang ya'll.
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1.84Ghz ****ers!
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Same, just more politely .
You may want to sell this baby. I saw one on ebay that had a ending bid of $820.... a couple of days ago there was one that sold for $520.
Hello;
I recently purchased a 512mb version of the G9 on sale thinking it would be 1gb; turns out after installing ICS that it's still 512mb. Now I'm trying to decide whether I should keep it or return it and spend $60 more on a 1gb version.
Has anyone used both the 512mb and 1gb and noticed a difference? Should I keep the 512mb or spend more money to upgrade?
If you have any recommendations please let me know; thanks!
I had bought the 80 Hdd before with 512 mb. After a fault Archos replaced it and to my surprise it had 1.5 ghz but still with 512 mb. So I got a bump in cpu modele. When the 1gig ram came out I ordered and returned a 101 hdd with 1 gig ram for the same prices I had paid my G9 80 before.... I had to decid which one I keep...I liked the G9 80 better even with the 512 mb.
Personally I did not see anything better on the 1gig of ram. May it's the way I use the tablet. But for me I think 512 Ram is fine. (it's not the 250 from gen8)...
no big difference...
i have the twice
I find that applications persist in the background better, for example, the web browser doesn't have to reload tabs when returning to it so often. The launcher never has to reload when doing something memory intensive.
Other than this there is no real difference (speed etc.)
theguy said:
I find that applications persist in the background better, for example, the web browser doesn't have to reload tabs when returning to it so often. The launcher never has to reload when doing something memory intensive.
Other than this there is no real difference (speed etc.)
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This
I only have a 1.2Ghz model but if as a example were to compare a Galaxy Nexus to a Nexus S the background performance is huge!
Sent from my ice cream powered Nexus S
I have a memory manager (for manually freeing up old apps) on my home page displaying how much free ram is available and on average it shows about 350MB free. That tells me that the quite a large portion of the 1GB ram is indeed being used and also that the 512MB would most definitely need to swap more often. How that translates to performance however is another question as depending on the apps used, swapping might not be noticeable at all. Only having the two side by side with duplicate setups and performing the exact same actions would be definitive, but hazarding a guess I would say the 1GB should outperform the 512MB in most cases where many apps are opened. Again, that might or might not be a negligible difference..
Ok
Starting a new thread here because i have read that all the turbo devices that have the omap 4460 cpu inside should have 1gb ram and that is not the case with my device. for info purposes i have the archos 80 g9 turbo model running ics and the cpu is the omap 4460 running at 1.5ghz but the ram is only listed as 512mb which is all a bit disappointing.
i have checked the hardware config using android system info and it confirmed everything i have written above and that even though i do indeed have the 1.5 omap i still only have 512mb ram. so i am wondering what is going on?
by the way ics is installed and i am running the latest firmware.
so can anyone enlighten me? is it only the 101 models that get the 1gb ram and if it isnt and the 80s should also have it then what am i missing?
I have the Archos 80 G9 Turbo model also running a 1.5 CPU and 1gb ram, and running ICS, how do you find your CPU model number so I can compare?
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I have the Archos 80 G9 Turbo model also running a 1.5 CPU and 1gb ram, and running ICS, how do you find your CPU model number so I can compare?
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how do you know you are running 1gb ram? it doesnt say it in the settings at least not anywhere i could see.
the cpu model is listed in the settings - about tablet and it is listed under OMAP version mine is the OMAP4460 ES1.1
if you install 'android system info' it is a decent app and it will list everything to do with your device set up.
that is how i found out there was only 512mb ram... there isnt even 512mb ram as it goes it is listed as about 488mb and i will say not a lot is free so having 1gb would be welcome here.
oh yes i called archos and they said they would call me back later today or tomorrow but it would be good to get a bit of user feedback here so i can be better informed when and if they do actually get back to me.
OK just checked and have the same CPU as you, I use Android Assistant to see my memory.
Edit: My memory is 892.98mb apparently the missing ram is for the system. Seems its hit and miss what spec's you get with your archos lol
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OK just checked and have the same CPU as you, I use Android Assistant to see my memory.
Edit: My memory is 892.98mb apparently the missing ram is for the system. Seems its hit and miss what spec's you get with your archos lol
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yes very poor show here i have to say. i bought a turbo model and although i wasnt sure which cpu was in there i was hoping it was the 1.5ghz one because everything i have read points to that having the 1gb installed. amazing that i get the cpu i want only to find it doesnt actually have the ram it is supposed to.
bleeding annoying really. archos really should simply concentrate on making one device that is well made and works properly (getting loads of bugs appearing regarding the archos music player that refuses to close once started!!!) instead of releasing the same model but with loads of random pot luck specs.
may need to sell this on pretty sharpish much like i did the 70 it. hopefully one day i will learn my lesson and simply avoid the brand.
will try installing a custom rom later to see if that helps but i aint holding my breath.
well i am gutted. i called archos back today and the guy (who was actually very helpful) said that only the models that were released after march came with the 1gb ram and it has nothing to do with the turbo model or the cpu. basically the only way to be sure is to buy the model with ics on the box.
oh well. i guess i will be selling it on. thankfully i got it cheap so should be able to get my money back. shame really cos despite its very budget nature (and numerous flaws lmao!!!) it dont seem half bad.
I have dilemma between which processor should i choose.
I want buy new archos
50e helium is nice but 50 titanium have 1.5Ghz processor
I mostly play mmorpg online using my phone and recording using mobizen in same time. 1.1Ghz can handle it or do i need 1.5?
resurrected01 said:
I have dilemma between which processor should i choose.
I want buy new archos
50e helium is nice but 50 titanium have 1.5Ghz processor
I mostly play mmorpg online using my phone and recording using mobizen in same time. 1.1Ghz can handle it or do i need 1.5?
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I think 1.5 GHz processor handle it more smoothly.
resurrected01 said:
I have dilemma between which processor should i choose.
I want buy new archos
50e helium is nice but 50 titanium have 1.5Ghz processor
I mostly play mmorpg online using my phone and recording using mobizen in same time. 1.1Ghz can handle it or do i need 1.5?
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1.1Ghz processor nowadays isn't enough to handle some apps that requires more power,and I think you need the 1.5Ghz processor to future-proof your device for it to handle new apps or games.
Decision is yours, we're only giving advice.
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I think 1.5 GHz processor handle it more smoothly.
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Thunderoar said:
1.1Ghz processor nowadays isn't enough to handle some apps that requires more power,and I think you need the 1.5Ghz processor to future-proof your device for it to handle new apps or games.
Decision is yours, we're only giving advice.
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Thank you guys. I'll go for 1.5Ghz then.
I have iball slide. It is rooted. How can I update this device to some android version of 5 and above.