Which of these can be stopped and totally disabled never to work again on an older phone,, and which can be stopped by flashing the rom, and which can be stopped at the software level using a root, . . Bluetooth, wifi, emergency 911, cell tower broadcast, GPS, . . and which ones can not be stopped, crippled, disabled if any. Ths can not have even the slightest transmission possibilities. Just curious which one can be stopped at root level, and which can be stopped by flashing the rom
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Which of these can be stopped and totally disabled never to work again on an older phone,, and which can be stopped by flashing the rom, and which can be stopped at the software level using a root, . . Bluetooth, wifi, emergency 911, cell tower broadcast, GPS, . . and which ones can not be stopped, crippled, disabled if any. Ths can not have even the slightest transmission possibilities. Just curious which one can be stopped at root level, and which can be stopped by flashing the rom
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You ever heard of Airplane mode?
It Disables​ all the phone's radios
Simple toggle it on and then remove the toggle (or just hide it)
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clsA said:
You ever heard of Airplane mode?
It Disables​ all the phone's radios
Simple toggle it on and then remove the toggle (or just hide it)
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Thats not secure enough, this is for a device in which at its core security is its utmost, I once had wifi off, bluetooth off, and in airplane mode, and while it was sitting on the table made a sound, i said "what was that", looked, and a google account had in the background turned on my wifi, The hardware itself must be disabled, preferably through a rom flash, and basic linux kernal set up with no programming for data transmission hardware installed, hence I would like to know what can be disabled through rooting, and which through flashing,
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Thats not secure enough, this is for a device in which at its core security is its utmost, I once had wifi off, bluetooth off, and in airplane mode, and while it was sitting on the table made a sound, i said "what was that", looked, and a google account had in the background turned on my wifi, The hardware itself must be disabled, preferably through a rom flash, and basic linux kernal set up with no programming for data transmission hardware installed, hence I would like to know what can be disabled through rooting, and which through flashing,
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seems your looking for a calculator and a pencil with a pad of paper... good luck with that
The core
clsA said:
You ever heard of Airplane mode?
It Disables​ all the phone's radios
Simple toggle it on and then remove the toggle (or just hide it)
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At the kernals most core, These are the rules. ( 1 ) cannot transmit data, does not know how, Can not be done ( 2 ) Only the user can access the program.
These rules can not be broke. I believe this Linux, open source, kernel can be built
rule (3)
coldcrypto said:
At the kernals most core, These are the rules. ( 1 ) cannot transmit data, does not know how, Can not be done ( 2 ) Only the user can access the program.
These rules can not be broke. I believe this kernel can be built
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rule (3) must be able to be done on an older existing android phone.
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seems your looking for a calculator and a pencil with a pad of paper... good luck with that
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Its a base for other applications, Sounds like no one here has the answer though, i just thought xda would know how, thats all, guess not,
coldcrypto said:
Its a base for other applications, Sounds like no one here has the answer though, i just thought xda would know how, thats all, guess not,
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Their phones they have radios .. it's not that hard to flash a rom with no radio support
you never mention what device it's even for
Pick a phone
go to that section
see if theirs a custom rom and kernel for it
download it and alter the zip to remove the drivers
clsA said:
Their phones they have radios .. it's not that hard to flash a rom with no radio support
you never mention what device it's even for
Pick a phone
go to that section
see if theirs a custom rom and kernel for it
download it and alter the zip to remove the drivers
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its a personal offline wallet, . .thank you for that info, . .so it can be done? Stop all data except through QR screen display, and only the user can open it. . . .with a flash root and install . . (3) was optional, its the program I want. , again, thank you for that info.
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I recently flashed on cm7 on my aria. it is great but my data usage began shooting up. i realized it was due to the fact that everytime i lock my phone, it disables my wifi (i saw this because everytime i unlock im on 3g for a 1-2 seconds then i get on wifi so that means that the whole time my phone is locked it uses 3g data ) is there anyway i can prevent this from occurring??
Thanks,
Okachowwa
Menu -> settings -> wireless & networks -> wi-fi settings -> menu -> advanced -> wi-fi sleep policy -> never
I think that's it.
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okachowwa said:
I recently flashed on cm7 on my aria. it is great but my data usage began shooting up. i realized it was due to the fact that everytime i lock my phone, it disables my wifi (i saw this because everytime i unlock im on 3g for a 1-2 seconds then i get on wifi so that means that the whole time my phone is locked it uses 3g data ) is there anyway i can prevent this from occurring??
Thanks,
Okachowwa
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Have you checked the Wifi Settings to see which sleep option is selected? There is an 'Never' option which tells wifi to stay on even when the phone sleeps.
One thing I noticed its that if I leave my house I have to turn off wifi and turn it back on to find my router.
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klbmth said:
One thing I noticed its that if I leave my house I have to turn off wifi and turn it back on to find my router.
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yup...that's why you just turn your wifi off with the notification widget (very simple and painless might I add) if you know you're leaving the house...what's the point of having wifi enabled if you're not in range of your network? all it's going to do is drain your battery. i left my wifi enabled one day when i sent to work and within half the day i had ~12% battery life...definitely not good practice to leave it enabled that's my 2 cents, do as you wish though. to each his own.
klbmth said:
One thing I noticed its that if I leave my house I have to turn off wifi and turn it back on to find my router.
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Yup, I have the same issue with CM7 nightlies. This worked flawlessly in CM6 and stock2.1. So far there isn't a viable solution.
from the CM6.1.1 thread...
Q. How do I keep my wifi from going to sleep every time the screen shuts off?
A. There is a hidden feature that disables wifi sleep.
menu > Settings > Wireless & networks > wifi settings > menu (again) > advanced > Wi-Fi Sleep policy > Never > menu > Save
However: although you can keep the wifi service from sleeping, the wifi driver will still sleep on it's own after detecting no bus activity for a period of time.
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from the CM6.1.1 thread...
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I've made sure to set Wifi Sleep Policy to "Never" but that did not fix my wifi problems. What I see when I open Wifi Settings is a cycle of:
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Scanning --> Connecting --> Disconnected... Scanning, etc
When I look in logcat it shows it attemping (in vain) to authenticate against the last wifi network I was using -- even though it is no longer in range (and clear across town). In a nutshell it is refusing to recognize the actual nearby network UNTIL I toggle wifi settings.
I've had the same behavior on FR008 and the stock ATT 2.1 load as well. When Wifi is in that on but not really connected state some apps can wake it up...the default browser usually will, but Listen would not. I just gave up and only turn on wifi when I need it.
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I've made sure to set Wifi Sleep Policy to "Never" but that did not fix my wifi problems. What I see when I open Wifi Settings is a cycle of:
Code:
Scanning --> Connecting --> Disconnected... Scanning, etc
When I look in logcat it shows it attemping (in vain) to authenticate against the last wifi network I was using -- even though it is no longer in range (and clear across town). In a nutshell it is refusing to recognize the actual nearby network UNTIL I toggle wifi settings.
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What is the point of having wifi set to ON when you are not in range of a network? Hence why, if you are using CM7 or CM6, you should utilize the notification widget and turn wifi off if you know you're leaving the area of your network. It's simple. Things aren't ALWAYS going to work how YOU want them to work. Thing will not always be automatic. I think I quote attn1 when I say this, just because it doesn't work how you want it to work, does not mean it is broken.
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What is the point of having wifi set to ON when you are not in range of a network? Hence why, if you are using CM7 or CM6, you should utilize the notification widget and turn wifi off if you know you're leaving the area of your network. It's simple. Things aren't ALWAYS going to work how YOU want them to work. Thing will not always be automatic. I think I quote attn1 when I say this, just because it doesn't work how you want it to work, does not mean it is broken.
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Well, just because people don't work exactly like you work, does not mean they are doing it wrong. If something is broken I'm going to call it out. I might be incorrect, but let's be clear: you aren't questioning that wifi in CM7 isn't working the way it did in CM6, you are questioning my behavior -- which is a weak argument.
I guess you don't understand the issue, so I'll spell it out:
Wifi worked flawlessly and automatically for me in stock 2.1 AND CM6. This automatic behavior does not work in CM7. Manually toggling something that simply "just worked" before is a regression, not a feature. Hence the reason I point it out -- the devs can't fix something unless they know it's broken, and I seriously doubt the devs are able to test all/every permutation. I have nothing but respect for the work they do, thus my very respectful tones in my earlier posts. I've had no indication that the devs are unwilling to get feedback about their work.
You asked a question though, and here is the answer:
I leave Wifi on all the time because I'm a consultant -- I work in many different locations throughout the week, travelling the country. I have dozens of wifi networks saved on my phone, and it is useful for me to have my phone automatically jump on the correct, nearest network. I'd rather use free wifi instead of paying AT&T for data charges. It is not always possible for me to remember I'm in a location with a known wifi network, or to remember to manually toggle wifi settings: it is useful for me to have this happen in the background. Sometimes I'm on a call, sometimes I'm heading into a meeting and I'd rather not mess with my phone. I want wifi to be on all time, scanning for the correct network, and jumping on it when it's in range.
Outrageous, right?! Not actually -- this is the existing behavior in CM6 and stock 2.1. From my standpoint, wifi just worked -- I didn't have to think about it, didn't have to manually toggle something to prevent AT&T data charges.
This is desired behavior for me, and I'm happy with rolling back to CM6 to get it. I understand that _you_ don't need this behavior, but that doesn't mean it's wrong. It just means the world is bigger than you realized.
And yes: wifi in CM7 (beta) is currently broken. Read the threads. Many people are having problems with it.
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yup...that's why you just turn your wifi off with the notification widget (very simple and painless might I add) if you know you're leaving the house...what's the point of having wifi enabled if you're not in range of your network? all it's going to do is drain your battery. i left my wifi enabled one day when i sent to work and within half the day i had ~12% battery life...definitely not good practice to leave it enabled that's my 2 cents, do as you wish though. to each his own.
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That's a good tip, I feel kind of dumb for not thinking about it lol and I also agree that it is good practice to do so. I just wanted to point it out in case a dev was going through this thread which is relevant to the topic.
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Well, just because people don't work exactly like you work, does not mean they are doing it wrong. If something is broken I'm going to call it out. I might be incorrect, but let's be clear: you aren't questioning that wifi in CM7 isn't working the way it did in CM6, you are questioning my behavior -- which is a weak argument.
I guess you don't understand the issue, so I'll spell it out:
Wifi worked flawlessly and automatically for me in stock 2.1 AND CM6. This automatic behavior does not work in CM7. Manually toggling something that simply "just worked" before is a regression, not a feature. Hence the reason I point it out -- the devs can't fix something unless they know it's broken, and I seriously doubt the devs are able to test all/every permutation. I have nothing but respect for the work they do, thus my very respectful tones in my earlier posts. I've had no indication that the devs are unwilling to get feedback about their work.
You asked a question though, and here is the answer:
I leave Wifi on all the time because I'm a consultant -- I work in many different locations throughout the week, travelling the country. I have dozens of wifi networks saved on my phone, and it is useful for me to have my phone automatically jump on the correct, nearest network. I'd rather use free wifi instead of paying AT&T for data charges. It is not always possible for me to remember I'm in a location with a known wifi network, or to remember to manually toggle wifi settings: it is useful for me to have this happen in the background. Sometimes I'm on a call, sometimes I'm heading into a meeting and I'd rather not mess with my phone. I want wifi to be on all time, scanning for the correct network, and jumping on it when it's in range.
Outrageous, right?! Not actually -- this is the existing behavior in CM6 and stock 2.1. From my standpoint, wifi just worked -- I didn't have to think about it, didn't have to manually toggle something to prevent AT&T data charges.
This is desired behavior for me, and I'm happy with rolling back to CM6 to get it. I understand that _you_ don't need this behavior, but that doesn't mean it's wrong. It just means the world is bigger than you realized.
And yes: wifi in CM7 (beta) is currently broken. Read the threads. Many people are having problems with it.
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fyi CM6 & 2.1 != CM7. Your argument is null & void.
Also, being a "consultant" and the very important man you are, flashing a rom that's not even in beta stages yet probably isn't the best idea you've ever had.
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Also, being a "consultant" and the very important man you are, flashing a rom that's not even in beta stages yet probably isn't the best idea you've ever had.
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Why do you remind us that the rom is in a beta stage? "Beta" implies it is not fully functional, but your argument all along has been that it works perfectly....
Look, it's clear you haven't actually understood any of my posts. I'm highlighting error messages or erratic behavior I see in logcat running CM7. I've posted what I've seen so the devs can take action, or not, as they choose. Since you aren't in that audience I don't understand what your beef is.
Oh wait! Straw man arguments; personal attacks; logical fallacies: I've been dealing with either a highschool student or a troll - not sure which.
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fyi CM6 & 2.1 != CM7. Your argument is null & void.
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...although I have a strong suspicion.
kinggrowler said:
Why do you remind us that the rom is in a beta stage? "Beta" implies it is not fully functional, but your argument all along has been that it works perfectly....
Look, it's clear you haven't actually understood any of my posts. I'm highlighting error messages or erratic behavior I see in logcat running CM7. I've posted what I've seen so the devs can take action, or not, as they choose. Since you aren't in that audience I don't understand what your beef is.
Oh wait! Straw man arguments; personal attacks; logical fallacies: I've been dealing with either a highschool student or a troll - not sure which.
...although I have a strong suspicion.
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First of all:
attn1 said:
Just because something does not work they way you'd like it to doesn't mean you've discovered a bug.
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That being said. Beta does NOT necessarily imply that thing are not fully functioning, it simply implies that it hasn't been put into RC or stable. You can have a fully functioning beta program. HOWEVER, it may not be working properly. But creating a thread about an issue that's been brought up 20+ times now is pointless. I'm PRETTY sure the devs know about the issue, should it actually be an issue. Now that I just wasted another 15 seconds of my life, i'm going to casually /part from this thread and I'll end my post with this quote again, in case you didn't catch it the first time.
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Just because something does not work they way you'd like it to doesn't mean you've discovered a bug.
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This is for OP and very important man of the day, kinggrowler:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11171075&postcount=1054
and i'll even quote it directly for you:
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There are no broad wifi issues to resolve, and I do not plan to change the wifi driver one iota. I am using the one that works right for most people, and flawlessly for me.
If you are not having such luck, then you need to look at your access point if you have already wiped data.
Really, the constant carping about wifi is absolutely pointless.
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I believe the proper thing for me to say right now would be:
game. set. match.
Me too. I can't roam between networks, either. I have to disable and re-enable the wifi each time.
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...what's the point of having wifi enabled if you're not in range of your network?
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1) Because Google Maps uses known wifi hotspots to help establish your location.
2) So that you don't have to keep toggling wifi on and off when moving between hotspots (or home and work, for example).
3) To use the network notification feature (aka "notify me when an open network is available").
HTH
Edit: seems to be fixed in RC3!
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What is the point of having wifi set to ON when you are not in range of a network? Hence why, if you are using CM7 or CM6, you should utilize the notification widget and turn wifi off if you know you're leaving the area of your network. It's simple. Things aren't ALWAYS going to work how YOU want them to work. Thing will not always be automatic. I think I quote attn1 when I say this, just because it doesn't work how you want it to work, does not mean it is broken.
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i have try everything and still same issues with wifi. and i change the radio ( baseband ). still i am thinking of uninstalling it bc i dont have wifi
Sorry to tell you but that was with the old wifi stuff (every nightly up to build 25), which I had no problem with. The RC/nightlies have new wifi data made by jznomoney, which I have on and off problems with. Its working for most people but there are a handful who are having problems. I flashed ladios' kernel and my wifi is doing a lot better with the new RC/nightlies.
Signatures are fancy.
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I've made sure to set Wifi Sleep Policy to "Never" but that did not fix my wifi problems. What I see when I open Wifi Settings is a cycle of:
Code:
Scanning --> Connecting --> Disconnected... Scanning, etc
When I look in logcat it shows it attemping (in vain) to authenticate against the last wifi network I was using -- even though it is no longer in range (and clear across town). In a nutshell it is refusing to recognize the actual nearby network UNTIL I toggle wifi settings.
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I've noticed something similar with CM7 on my Aria. When I leave the house and come back it doesn't always connect automatically and it will enter into this cycle of scanning, connecting, disconnected.
I had to reboot the phone to get it to stop the cycle and stay connected. I don't use a lot of data anyway but I still prefer to use wifi when available. Interestingly just now it wouldn't even see any of my neighbor's wifi networks at all which is odd.
I have been thinking recently about moving on to a newer Android device for a phone, and converting my Eris into a general purpose, WiFi-only Android device, for things like Media center remote control, Portable MP3 player, etc.
My question, basically, is whether or not its possible to completely disable the cellular radio and any other associated phone/mms/3G/2G drivers and utilities. Stripping out all the miscellaneous apks and apps i dont want is the easy part. Removing drivers, disabling devices, and modifying config files is the part i'm not comfortable with yet. Any tips, pointers or links would be awesome.
Is anybody else interested in having a ROM like this distributed on this forum? I can start posting my progress builds on here if there is interest. Otherwise, if something like this already exists, please let me know!
as far as using it as a wi-fi only device you can simply put the phone into airplane mode and then urn on the wi-fi.
Unwanted programs I have used this program (link below)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=628138
If your phone is rooted you can use the application manager to erase any app you want and hopefully thats good enough for what your looking for. I
It sounds like your looking to do more that I have knowledge in so hopefully this will help till you get the setup your looking for
When you setup your device on first boot after flashing a rom doesn't it have an option for wifi only connection on setup? Granted you may still have to airplane mode afterwards like said above, not really sure but worth a try.... hope this helps.
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I'd be interested, I wouldn't mind letting a youngin use it for mp3 player or something but always worried about an accidental 911 call or something dumb like that
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I think you could take an existing ROM and prune it from them and be happy. Removing drivers or disabling devices ? Not really necessary.... I think if you removed "phone.apk", there'd be no accidental 911 calls made, at least. My first thought was, don't activate it, but you can always make 911 calls as alluded to.
I realize removing the non-used stuff is likely in effort to trim it down to just the necessary stuff, but as I said, it might be overkill.
I've actually been thinking something like this would be awesome for when I retire this thing I say +1
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as far as using it as a wi-fi only device you can simply put the phone into airplane mode and then urn on the wi-fi.
Unwanted programs I have used this program (link below)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=628138
If your phone is rooted you can use the application manager to erase any app you want and hopefully thats good enough for what your looking for. I
It sounds like your looking to do more that I have knowledge in so hopefully this will help till you get the setup your looking for
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Airplane mode turns off the WIFI, too. It turns off any and ALL wireless signals, 2G, 3G, Wifi, any.
roirraW "edor" ehT said:
Airplane mode turns off the WIFI, too. It turns off any and ALL wireless signals, 2G, 3G, Wifi, any.
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You can re-enable WiFi after you enable airplane mode.
You could always go into the test call mode or whatever the field programming thing is and disable the radio from there. I forget exactly what the number is to call but it's the one that brings up all the field test tools and stuff...there's an option to completely disable the cellular radio.
Sounds like your basically looking for a honeycomb rom. Pretty sure if we just wait a bit we could possibly see something like that soon. I have faith in our devs.
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I am looking for something like this too. I just bought a bluetooth odb2 adapter so I can use my old eris to monitor my vehicle and do gps and music. I'll probably even make a sweet case for it so basically only the screen shows and it could be installed in the dash. It could sync music whenever I am home in range of wifi. Plus with the new google maps "offline" feature, I could cache frequently used areas.
I think you should go ahead and start something of a tutorial. Just start from a good lean stable 2.2 rom and document what you remove/add etc. and what apps work best for something like that.
If you remove /system/bin/rild, (the "Radio Interface Layer Daemon") there is no longer a possibility of dialing any calls, getting any voice or data service, SMS, MMS et cetera.
This is not the same thing as turning off power to the radio, however. I think you would want to do that for reasons of power conservation alone.
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If you remove /system/bin/rild, (the "Radio Interface Layer Daemon") there is no longer a possibility of dialing any calls, getting any voice or data service, SMS, MMS et cetera.
This is not the same thing as turning off power to the radio, however. I think you would want to do that for reasons of power conservation alone.
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If you do that doesn't it also disable GPS except if wifi is on? I noticed that some still want to use GPS and I know that if you disable network GPS only works through wifi
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This is an great concept for a ROM. I have also been thinking about this, because shortly I will be retiring this little guy. I was going to give it to my wife because she refuses to get a smartphone and has an mp3 player from like 8 years ago that she refuses to upgrade! The Eris keeps my kids busy when we are out also. This way I wouldn't have to worry about my kids (or my wife) doing something stupid!
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This is an great concept for a ROM. I have also been thinking about this, because shortly I will be retiring this little guy. I was going to give it to my wife because she refuses to get a smartphone and has an mp3 player from like 8 years ago that she refuses to upgrade! The Eris keeps my kids busy when we are out also. This way I wouldn't have to worry about my kids (or my wife) doing something stupid!
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True.
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bftb0 said:
If you remove /system/bin/rild, (the "Radio Interface Layer Daemon") there is no longer a possibility of dialing any calls, getting any voice or data service, SMS, MMS et cetera.
This is not the same thing as turning off power to the radio, however. I think you would want to do that for reasons of power conservation alone.
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Does it work better to remove the line from init.d or whatever? Or do errors finding files not matter?
There is a project underway to do this very thing, keep an eye on these forums and they'll be posting it when its ready for the world.
that sounds awesome can't wait to put it on my eris when i get the Thunderbolt!
and my next phone will have mobile hotspot so whenever I am in my car and away from my home wifi, my "carputer" will have internet access for maps. sweet
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There is a project underway to do this very thing, keep an eye on these forums and they'll be posting it when its ready for the world.
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Do you know who is going to post it?
is there a way to turn this notification off? i have SMS GPS installed to turn gps on via text and "Gps my droid" installed to tell me my phone location (via text) once its on. if i lose my phone and GPS cant be enabled without pushing the button, what good is it? also, if someone steals the phone its not likely that they're going to agree to turn it on once they realize theres been text messages sent to turn it on. help!
theres gotta be a discrete way of turning off the notification so i can track someone down if they steal it!
so i guess theres no way to do it?
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is there a way to turn this notification off? i have SMS GPS installed to turn gps on via text and "Gps my droid" installed to tell me my phone location (via text) once its on. if i lose my phone and GPS cant be enabled without pushing the button, what good is it? also, if someone steals the phone its not likely that they're going to agree to turn it on once they realize theres been text messages sent to turn it on. help!
theres gotta be a discrete way of turning off the notification so i can track someone down if they steal it!
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That notification comes from the system or from the application?
I get no confirmation message when I turn on the GPS on my X10.
If the app itself produces this notification, then you should contact the developer,
because you are right, it renders the application useless.
good question but my phone is rendering the confirmation/notification, not the application. every time i turn on GPS, no matter how i still get the agree/disagree disclaimer. even if i go directly into the phone settings under location and security and try to enable it still says "data transmission charges may apply. anonymous data will be collected when an application uses GPS. Agree or Disagree"
im kinda shocked that yours doesnt say it. what rom are you using? im on 2.1 update 1 global and rooted.
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good question but my phone is rendering the confirmation/notification, not the application. every time i turn on GPS, no matter how i still get the agree/disagree disclaimer. even if i go directly into the phone settings under location and security and try to enable it still says "data transmission charges may apply. anonymous data will be collected when an application uses GPS. Agree or Disagree"
im kinda shocked that yours doesnt say it. what rom are you using? im on 2.1 update 1 global and rooted.
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Maybe you can leave the GPS on...
If no application is using it, it won't affect your battery. And you can always know if it's in use from the flashing icon in the statusbar.
I am on custom ROM, but I don't remember it happening on stock 2.1 either. I could be wrong though.
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This happened to me on stock 2.1... make sure both gps boxes are ticked in settings. And allow usb debugging and unknown sources. Should sort it out...
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kemmo123 said:
This happened to me on stock 2.1... make sure both gps boxes are ticked in settings. And allow usb debugging and unknown sources. Should sort it out...
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usb debugging and unknown sources are checked. but im a little confused by your statement, you said "make sure both boxes are ticked." you mean gps and wireless networks? if so, then thats exactly my point. i need them off during normal use but i want them to turn on via my SMS app. i dont leave them on all the time because of battery draining. the SMS app im using turns on wifi without any notification. but turning on the gps always gives a notification..thats what im trying to alleviate.
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usb debugging and unknown sources are checked. but im a little confused by your statement, you said "make sure both boxes are ticked." you mean gps and wireless networks? if so, then thats exactly my point. i need them off during normal use but i want them to turn on via my SMS app. i dont leave them on all the time because of battery draining. the SMS app im using turns on wifi without any notification. but turning on the gps always gives a notification..thats what im trying to alleviate.
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Turning on the GPS only (not the wireless network location)
will not drain your battery, unless an app is polling location data.
And if it does, you'll see the GPS icon in the statusbar, it can't happen without you knowing.
So leave GPS on is your best solution.
Or contact the developer of the app to implement a different way of turning on the GPS.
iridaki said:
Turning on the GPS only (not the wireless network location)
will not drain your battery, unless an app is polling location data.
And if it does, you'll see the GPS icon in the statusbar, it can't happen without you knowing.
So leave GPS on is your best solution.
Or contact the developer of the app to implement a different way of turning on the GPS.
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I get this message when enabling it too, every time, it's a system message when activating the gps itself, not through the mobile network, very annoying by the way.
And the same thing happens with data, kinda makes it hard to remotely enable anything on stock rom when your phone is stolen, what were sony thinking?
This will solve your problem.
For Root Explorer, go to /system/app, find "LearningClient.apk," click Mount R/W on the upper right corner, and DELETE this app. (May be risky)
The safest way is to use rom toolbox app manager or Titanium Backup, find "Learning Client 2.1 1.0.0," and FREEZE it.
it's working, but could you tell us what that service doing? I mean "learning client", is it safe to disable it?
It seems that Samsung Dive only works on my sgs2 when either the wifi or the network data mode is enabled on the device. What's worse is that if the "Wireless Networks / View Location in Maps" option is disabled, it will ask to be enabled while tracking the device.
Practically making Samsung Dive uesless.
Is there a fix for this? I've flashed a few ROMs but I'm back on stock, I never had this problem before flashing ROMs. Thanks.
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It seems that Samsung Dive only works on my sgs2 when either the wifi or the network data mode is enabled on the device. What's worse is that if the "Wireless Networks / View Location in Maps" option is disabled, it will ask to be enabled while tracking the device.
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I'm curious how you expect it to work without some kind of data connection.
Regarding your point about being asked for permission, if on KK5 at least, if you freeze the Network Location apk (com.google.android.location), the prompt does not appear and it does not seem to inhibit your ability to use GPS correctly.
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I'm curious how you expect it to work without some kind of data connection.
Regarding your point about being asked for permission, if on KK5 at least, if you freeze the Network Location apk (com.google.android.location), the prompt does not appear and it does not seem to inhibit your ability to use GPS correctly.
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Sorry if I made myself unclear, what I mean is that the user has to manually enable wifi or 3g to be able to use SD. So if the phone is lost, there's nobody there to enable 3g/wifi, so SD won't work.
You weren't unclear. How would you like it to communicate with the phone with no data connection?
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You weren't unclear. How would you like it to communicate with the phone with no data connection?
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Before I flashed ROMs SD would activate my 3g (when it was already off), then activate my wireless networks / location option, ten activate my GPS, then find my device. But now all it does is sits there, trying to connect, until i manually enable wifi or 3g, which it will then ask me to enable my wireless netoworks / location, and then it doesn't do anyting.
OP, you make no sense. You didn't answer to oinkylicious's question: how can SD reach your phone if it can't connect to it? It's almost impossible, so yes, someone has to be there to enable data or wifi. It was always like this and it will always be like this with the current technology .
About manually activating the tracking system, I also have my doubts. I only tried this several months ago, but then it showed my location without asking me to enable tracking. I'm on CM7 now, so I can't test it.
Alternatives: theft aware can do the same thing (now quite good, but it works) via SMS. You just send the code to your phone, and it gives you the location.
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OP, you make no sense. You didn't answer to oinkylicious's question: how can SD reach your phone if it can't connect to it? It's almost impossible, so yes, someone has to be there to enable data or wifi. It was always like this and it will always be like this with the current technology .
About manually activating the tracking system, I also have my doubts. I only tried this several months ago, but then it showed my location without asking me to enable tracking. I'm on CM7 now, so I can't test it.
Alternatives: theft aware can do the same thing (now quite good, but it works) via SMS. You just send the code to your phone, and it gives you the location.
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Well it's just that on my sister's sgs2, she doesn't need to manually activate 3g.
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Why would you have your data connection switched off anyway?
GlenH said:
Why would you have your data connection switched off anyway?
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Because 3g wastes a tonne of battery.
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I am curious to this actually. What happens if your phone is stolen and the person who stole it is smart enough to turn off data and gps?
DramatikBeats said:
I am curious to this actually. What happens if your phone is stolen and the person who stole it is smart enough to turn off data and gps?
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Exactly my point, my sister doesn't have this problem (unrooted, never flashed roms), but I do .
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DramatikBeats said:
I am curious to this actually. What happens if your phone is stolen and the person who stole it is smart enough to turn off data and gps?
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What would the person use the phone for then? I actually don't think that a thief would have the slighest idea that he/she should turn data off.
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What would the person use the phone for then? I actually don't think that a thief would have the slighest idea that he/she should turn data off.
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That isn't the point. The point is that it's ****ed up and I need help. /getting pissed off.
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That isn't the point. The point is that it's ****ed up and I need help. /getting pissed off.
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You still haven't answered my question. Also, could you provide some proof that this works on the other phone with all forms of data turned off, as it intuiges me.
If it works on an older ROM, revert until "fixed". If it doesn't, use an app controlled via SMS.
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You still haven't answered my question. Also, could you provide some proof that this works on the other phone with all forms of data turned off, as it intuiges me.
If it works on an older ROM, revert until "fixed". If it doesn't, use an app controlled via SMS.
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Already reverted to stock, problem still exists. Will upload video as soon as my sister gets home.
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What would the person use the phone for then? I actually don't think that a thief would have the slighest idea that he/she should turn data off.
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Knowing people who live on a council estate talking about disabling the internet on a phone or turning it off and flogging it on ebay leads me to believe different. That aware theft thing that works via SMS sounds a lot better
OK my sister's being stupid and won't give me her samsung dive password, burning swear to God you don't need. A connection.
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Hy, did you find a solution, i was thinking to register to samsung dive but found out about this problem. Does somebody really neads to turn on data manually for it to work? Thats just plain useless. If i lost it somewhere who will enable it, or if somebody took it i have to pray for them to enable data, lol.
P.S. Im also on custom rom.
Igor 3 said:
Hy, did you find a solution, i was thinking to register to samsung dive but found out about this problem. Does somebody really neads to turn on data manually for it to work? Thats just plain useless. If i lost it somewhere who will enable it, or if somebody took it i have to pray for them to enable data, lol.
P.S. Im also on custom rom.
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Yeah I use theft aware, but you can get it free with the avast antivirus app. It's controlled by texts, and it has a lot more features than dive, wipe protection, etc.
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Avast anti-theft is really nice. I'm using it also, but it's still beta, and has some serious bugs sometimes.
So back to your original question, I think we can call it BUSTED. There's no way for Samsung to activate data connection on your phone if it's turned off manually
Alright everyone, I'm getting annoyed and I'm hoping someone more talented than me can come here to save the day. I'm attempting to use a conditional init.d script that runs if it finds the file of my choosing (in this case, radio.sh in /system/bin) and then if it finds it, it will disable radio. What I'm having problems with is that it keeps giving me connection refused on boot when disabling radio. So, any idea?
Have you mounted your system as read/write at the beginning of the script?
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I'm using radio options I shouldn't have to but I guess I'll try that
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What command do you use to disable radio?
I tried a setprop command, that didnt work and I also tried "radiooptions 1"
edit: This was using both adb and init.d
Code:
stop ril-daemon
globatron said:
Code:
stop ril-daemon
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Hey globatron,
If you remove phone.apk and telephoneyproviders.apk you no longer get cell stand by in battery usage but it breaks GPS. If I leave the files and issue the stop ril-daemon command. It turns off the radio and GPS still works but cell standby appears in battery usage. Is there a way to disable the radios completely, still have GPS work and not have cell standby in battery usage?
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You have to have cell standby for GPS to work, I think they are in the same chip.
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I don't get what you're trying to accomplish, if youre trying to disable the CDMA radio and use wifi only like me, but want GPS, just turn on airplane mode, turn on wifi and GPS and you're set. If I'm mistaken about what you're trying to do then never mind.
Side note, leaving the CDMA radio on didn't bother me because I don't have service with my view, but it still takes from the battery of course.
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Gordon, this is for a ROM. I'm looking into several options to kill it on boot simply. That's it.
I see, I I think I came across some lads in the Flyer forums either here or AC that had it working.
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Here is something odd.. gps does work if you remove the stuff for cell standby. I thought it was broken (everytime I tried in my house it never locked on a signal) but it's not. I fired up navigation just now and while it did take longer to lock a signal then with the radio stuff in, it did lock and start giving me directions.. I guess the cell radios assist the gps(considerably) but are not fully responsible for it.
This is an important functionality to disable the cell radio!
I've been trying for days now - can't understand why Android doesn't simply provide a checkbox in the settings for this (like for Bluetooth or Wifi).
When people suggest airplane mode, they don't realize that this blocks the stock dialer from placing any calls.
This is really poor design on the part of the Android team: they include a sip stack (thank you!) , then force users to resort to airplane mode to disable the cell, and then block the dialer (when all a user wants is simply to use sip over wifi)...
wutzin said:
This is an important functionality to disable the cell radio!
I've been trying for days now - can't understand why Android doesn't simply provide a checkbox in the settings for this (like for Bluetooth or Wifi).
When people suggest airplane mode, they don't realize that this blocks the stock dialer from placing any calls.
This is really poor design on the part of the Android team: they include a sip stack (thank you!) , then force users to resort to airplane mode to disable the cell, and then block the dialer (when all a user wants is simply to use sip over wifi)...
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Why would you care about the stock dialer for placing call if you turned off your radio? You ain't making any calls without the radio anyway.... I'm confused
immjg said:
Why would you care about the stock dialer for placing call if you turned off your radio? You ain't making any calls without the radio anyway.... I'm confused
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He is using sip over WiFi, but he needs a dialer. That doesn't use the mobile radio.
Indirect said:
What I'm having problems with is that it keeps giving me connection refused on boot when disabling radio. So, any idea?
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sounds like it sends the command before ril is ready.
The only way I got it to work was by having "sleep 60" before the radiooptions command.
Maybe there is some trigger for ril, so the command can run once its ready. I had done a loop to check if ril-daemon is running first, but that doesn't seem to be enough (probably takes more time to load the vender RIL next)
It seems radiooptions just disables the radio, but it still uses power.
Did anybody have success in disabling the radio? I'm also looking for the way how to use View 4G abroad without Sprint.
May be it's possible to modify the firmware to make it "wifi only" - exactly as it made for the HTC Flyer?
mar1boro said:
Did anybody have success in disabling the radio? I'm also looking for the way how to use View 4G abroad without Sprint.
May be it's possible to modify the firmware to make it "wifi only" - exactly as it made for the HTC Flyer?
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Download a WiFi only Rom
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Download a WiFi only Rom
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Is there any for HTC Evo View 4G? The one for the HTC Flyer is not compatible with the View 4G, is it?
I would like a GB, not the HC version.