There are lots of people wondering whether to buy the Axon 7 or go for a competing phone with similar price point and features *cough op3T*. This usually ends up on different QnA threads asking for the same thing: is it worth buying? And the result is a myriad of answers with different, opposing views. So here are the facts. If a fact isn't too factual, feel free to comment about that.
So, let's cover the basics:
CAMERA: 20MP Samsung with OIS. Good at high lighting conditions. Films at [email protected] and supposedly [email protected] (Motorola Camera seems to be able to record at that speed). Rather bad at low light. Has improved quite a bit on Nougat anyways. I suggest you search for comparisons to draw your own conclusions. No idea about the front 8MP shooter, but I'd say it's not too good. Has RAW support. The camera app has its fair share of manual control sliders (I personally love the white balance slider, no "Cloudy" nonsense). Seems to have a high amount of postprocessing on the image though, so again, look at comparisons.
RAM: As of now I'm using less than 2GB, only XDA open, some apps like Whatsapp on the background. It's more than enough to drive anything, probably for the next couple of years or so. And usually people don't need 20 apps at the same time...
BATTERY: Your mileage may vary. There are lots of comments about it on the real life review thread, but it really depends on your usage. It's not spontaneously explosive, so that's a bonus
SCREEN: Samsung AMOLED 1440P panel. enables Daydream, which is good. No always-on support, possible to do through an app but you might have battery drain. One thing that is important to mention is that games work worse than on a 1080P screen. And not by a small margin. With root you can use wm size 1080x1920 to get more FPS on games, but you have to root.
NOTIF LIGHT: Not the end of the world, but ZTE decided to save some cents by using only red and green. so no blue for us...
SPEAKERS & SOUND: The speakers are really well mounted, they fire the sound at you and not the wall beside you. They are pretty good. Especially with Dolby Atmos. Pretty loud, but as someone said, a dollar store Bluetooth speaker will be louder than any phone's ½ cm²'s speakers.
The sound is really good when you use the AKM DAC. The problem with it is that it only works on some apps. For example the only player capable to use it that I know of is the totally BS stock music player. Supposedly the DAC works with every music player, but it's only at 48KHz at the moment (the stock app does [email protected]). Some say that the DAC is truncated to 16 bit of the 32 that it should support. And when you use the Snapdragon DAC the sound is different, but it's not bad anyways. Dolby Atmos helps on YouTube for example, and on movies, since it has the dynamic equalizer thingy you can adjust your headphones' output as you like. Also adds Surround Virtualizer which is awesome
CAPACITIVE BUTTONS: Best description: Too close together, lacking backlight. They're pretty doe They're reversible as well (back on the right, Recents on the left
BUILD: You may or may not like the design, that's your own taste. But the build quality is good. In theory the phone's screen should resist corner hits since the screen is separated from the borders. ZTE offers you one free screen change though, so as long as you can claim the warranty it won't be a problem. No water protection. It's only open on the headphone jack and the USB C. the speakers have small holes and a very thin cloth covering the hole.
FINGERPRINT SCANNER: It's a good placement. No wasted area on the front. Front mounted ones are more comfortable but you get used to it.
PERFORMANCE: Considering 1440P it's flawless. The SD820 chips are likely to be cheap binning processors though. They are still very nice
UI: Maybe too obtrusive on international version. Considering this is a flagship it should have some more updates. That's not necessarily good since they add a pair of things, fix one or two bugs and break another pair of things... (like Whatsapp and Play store). Everything gets fixed eventually. The update to N was fast. Too fast on the US version where they had a ton of bugs...
Consider custom ROMs too.
DEVELOPMENT: there's a fair share of ROMs for every version. Unlocking the device is a little risky and tedious though. TBH doing what we do here on the Axon is very limited by ZTE, they even removed fastboot on Nougat. But our cozy community fixed those things
SERVICEABILITY: Hopefully you won't need to... But be aware, it's really hard to find replacement parts. It's easier to get another broken Axon and "Frankenstein the parts that work" until you get something useable. Disassembling it is not hard and not risky. The only part which is hard to take out is the battery, but it can be extracted with care. ZTE offers a pretty massive warranty for phones other than the chinese one too.
So again: I'm probably not right on everything. Some things may be influenced by using this thing. But it's the best I could do, and it's definitely better than picking between the opinions of those who think that 1440p is useless and those who think that 1080p is uglier.
I have a question regarding the SD820. What do you mean when you say they are likely to be cheap binning processors?
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troy5890 said:
I have a question regarding the SD820. What do you mean when you say they are likely to be cheap binning processors?
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Overclocking the cpu could lead to errors.
But the whole reading process of the binning is not cleared right now. You have to check many things like your kernel and rom and just on a fresh reboot etc.
Finally it doesn't matter, because the overclocking abilities of the SD 820 are limited anyways.
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SPEAKERS & SOUND: The speakers are really well mounted, they fire the sound at you and not the wall beside you. They are pretty good. Especially with Dolby Atmos. Pretty loud, but as someone said, a dollar store Bluetooth speaker will be louder than any phone's ½ cm²'s speakers.
The sound is really good when you use the AKM DAC. The problem with it is that it only works on some apps. For example the only player capable to use it that I know of is the totally BS stock music player. Some say that the DAC is truncated to 16 bit of the 32 that it should support. And when you use the Snapdragon DAC it's not a day and night difference anyways. Dolby Atmos helps on YouTube for example, and on movies, since it has the dynamic equalizer thingy you can adjust your headphones' output as you like.
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I don't think it is true that only the stock player uses the DAC. In fact, I believe all players use the DAC.
I have confirmed this with VLC and PowerAmp. Switching between Standard and Super in Sound settings gives a notable improvement.
This is for the headphones of course.
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I don't think it is true that only the stock player uses the DAC. In fact, I believe all players use the DAC.
I have confirmed this with VLC and PowerAmp. Switching between Standard and Super in Sound settings gives a notable improvement.
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Using Poweramp on Android MM shows it using 192KHz on the Snapdragon DAC and on Android N it shows 48KHz on whatever DAC...
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I have a question regarding the SD820. What do you mean when you say they are likely to be cheap binning processors?
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Low binning quality means that the CPU is not able to achieve stability at lower voltages. This in turn results in bad overclocking capabilities. But these lower quality CPUs are cheaper and some asian OEMs buy those
I'm not sure if they're all bad quality. To be honest I don't even know what quality they are. But it's a 400 dollar phone, let's face it
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Using Poweramp on Android MM shows it using 192KHz on the Snapdragon DAC and on Android N it shows 48KHz on whatever DAC...
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I think that's just an issue with poweramp interpreting the info from the DAC. On the forums for the alpha/beta builds, the dev seems to take requests for this kind of thing.
In any case, the sound is notably different when switching from Standard to Super in settings.
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Overclocking the cpu could lead to errors.
But the whole reading process of the binning is not cleared right now. You have to check many things like your kernel and rom and just on a fresh reboot etc.
Finally it doesn't matter, because the overclocking abilities of the SD 820 are limited anyways.
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I see, so overclocking the kernel makes the processor unstable with these SOC. I always wondered because on the HTC 10, you could overclock the SD820 higher than 2.26 ghz when the axon 7 is overclocked.
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I can see the value of overclocking in a none mobile device, but this is a cell phone which runs on a battery. The ideal situation would be max performance with minimal power consumption. It's a balancing act of sorts. I see no benefit in overclocking a cell phone, other than perhaps benchmark scores or bragging rights.
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I can see the value of overclocking in a none mobile device, but this is a cell phone which runs on a battery. The ideal situation would be max performance with minimal power consumption. It's a balancing act of sorts. I see no benefit in overclocking a cell phone, other than perhaps benchmark scores or bragging rights.
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I can understand that. I typically overclock the kernel if I need some extra juice for emulation, but there's only a small difference when I do so.
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gpz1100 said:
I can see the value of overclocking in a none mobile device, but this is a cell phone which runs on a battery. The ideal situation would be max performance with minimal power consumption. It's a balancing act of sorts. I see no benefit in overclocking a cell phone, other than perhaps benchmark scores or bragging rights.
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Lol no that's not the full picture.
Binning determines the minimum voltage at which the processor will be able to work without errors at a given frequency.
Voltage = Joule's Law = heat. If you're able to get the stock 2.15 GHz clock and lower the voltage you'll be able to run your CPU at less heat and it will throttle less. Also your battery consumption should be marginally less. And you have the option to overclock the cpu some.
So if you get a Slower processor it should come with more voltage than a Faster processor. They will run differently since the Slower processor will need to throttle down on heavy loads. Supposedly the difference is in the 200 mV i think.
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I think that's just an issue with poweramp interpreting the info from the DAC. On the forums for the alpha/beta builds, the dev seems to take requests for this kind of thing.
In any case, the sound is notably different when switching from Standard to Super in settings.
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I never tried switching to Standard, that's a good idea. I'll edit the OP later.
I'll see the forums, I actually have poweramp beta
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I never tried switching to Standard, that's a good idea. I'll edit the OP later.
I'll see the forums, I actually have poweramp beta
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Great. Let me know what you find. I am on the beta too and only briefly looked at the forum when I installed it, but saw a lot of requests concerning specific DACs.
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Great. Let me know what you find. I am on the beta too and only briefly looked at the forum when I installed it, but saw a lot of requests concerning specific DACs.
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I searched some about the Axon 7's support, and it might seem that the DAC worked on Marshmallow but the hi-res support is not even possible on Nougat, just like with a ton of other phones. I'm unsure whether the DAC is being used or not - there's this one guy that practically confirms that it is not used, but i'm unsure.
I think I'm going to cross out that line for now. It is true though, Standard sound has very different sound. Don't know whether it's only the DAC or also some software effects on top of that though. no way to be sure
I have thought of putting a thermometer against the DAC to test if it is working or not. But I hope I won't have to disassemble it again, it's the 3rd time already
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I searched some about the Axon 7's support, and it might seem that the DAC worked on Marshmallow but the hi-res support is not even possible on Nougat, just like with a ton of other phones. I'm unsure whether the DAC is being used or not - there's this one guy that practically confirms that it is not used, but i'm unsure.
I think I'm going to cross out that line for now. It is true though, Standard sound has very different sound. Don't know whether it's only the DAC or also some software effects on top of that though. no way to be sure
I have thought of putting a thermometer against the DAC to test if it is working or not. But I hope I won't have to disassemble it again, it's the 3rd time already
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You are completely right. I was just looking at that earlier and even posted the error on the PowerAmp forum (that hiRes mode doesn't kick-in). I was still on the 703 alpha build. I updated to the 704 where HiRes is in the Ouput settings menu, but it seems not to be supported (any change results in a pop-up message on the bottom of the screen saying tha it failed and fell back to OpenSL ES mode).
However, as you say as well, the sound is different when switching in the settings of the Axon 7. We're probably not getting (with PowerAmp at least) all we could with the combo. I unfortunately don't have the tech knowledge to see any further on this issue. Logs would be needed probably to see if the DAC is being used.
Since this is a thread about 'worth buying the Axon 7', I'm in the market for a new phone. My free Samsung J320A from AT&T lacks some features I want (stereo speakers, better screen) and because the apps I like, won't work properly with it. (No compass, no 802.1ac, etc.)
I really like the enhanced version, 6/128 GB RAM/ROM with Force Touch on the ZTE site (wish it was gray). And was hoping someone would talk me out of buying it and recommend something else with the same (or close to) features and price-point. Spending upwards of $700 - $900 for a 'flagship' phone is not for me.
Thanks.
I am inclined to disagree with assuming the Axon uses a slower binned chip. ZTE put this phone out to get their foot into the US market and the impression I get is they wanted to get away from the Chinese knockoff stereotype.
Since before I got interested in this phone I've been following their business news and they have been doing anything they can to smell like roses here.
Pauli Urethane said:
Since this is a thread about 'worth buying the Axon 7', I'm in the market for a new phone. My free Samsung J320A from AT&T lacks some features I want (stereo speakers, better screen) and because the apps I like, won't work properly with it. (No compass, no 802.1ac, etc.)
I really like the enhanced version, 6/128 GB RAM/ROM with Force Touch on the ZTE site (wish it was gray). And was hoping someone would talk me out of buying it and recommend something else with the same (or close to) features and price-point. Spending upwards of $700 - $900 for a 'flagship' phone is not for me.
Thanks.
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How much does it cost?? 6GB ram is totally unnecessary. 128 GB storage is a lot, but you also have SD card support as long as you don't use dual sim, and that's a plus. And the axon 7 is ~330 USD on Ebay on some places. I think you should go for the vanilla version
At any rate if you buy the enhanced version from china you can put it a skin, there are some good skins available. Can't recall the name though
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I am inclined to disagree with assuming the Axon uses a slower binned chip. ZTE put this phone out to get their foot into the US market and the impression I get is they wanted to get away from the Chinese knockoff stereotype.
Since before I got interested in this phone I've been following their business news and they have been doing anything they can to smell like roses here.
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I've been trying the OPPO way of seeing the binning, but it seems to be only for Krait CPUs
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Hi everyone,
I'm going to be writing a review when the SGSII comes out for the Clove blog, interested to know what questions everyone has for the review, and what they want to see demoed on video.
Let me know and I'll try to get through everyones questions in the review.
Will be a slightly different slant on the review than places like Engadget, in that I'll actually be using the phone as my fulltime handset, so if things like the GPS are amiss I should be far less likely to miss it than those reviews (real user feedback as it were).
Great news! Here are a couple of things I'd like to know:
1) Battery. How much does it last under different circumstances? So, WiFi on/off, NFC on/off, display brightness and so on. I know that making all possible combinations between all these options is impossible, however at least something indicative of how long the battery lasts in day-to-day use would be nice.
2) Heat. Does it really get so hot?
3) Graphics performance. Can you play Tegra 2 games on it? How well do they play and what are the graphics abilities of the device (so far we saw sub-par graphics benchmarks which were most likely due to the drivers so it'd be interesting to see whether anything has been done with that)?
Thank you in advance.
Thanks for your questions, gaming and battery life will definitely be covered (I'm also interested to know whether the Tegra Zone games will run on it, that said for all I know the first ones to ship could be Tegra based anyways), good question about how much the device heats up.
I'm mostly interested in general performance, such as browsing speed, flash speed, installing apps, (especially multiple updates on the market) any lag anywhere etc.
Also talk about the screen, would be nice to see it compared in depth with a SGS.
Also any chance you could install a 3rd party launcher and compare overall speed/lag/features etc with TouchWiz?
first and foremost i'd like to know when you will be getting the device.
do you have anything more specific than mid-late march?
Use it for more than 30 seconds, like the SGS reviewers didn't. Otherwise they might have noticed the lag, gps, etc.
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I'm mostly interested in general performance, such as browsing speed, flash speed, installing apps, (especially multiple updates on the market) any lag anywhere etc.
Also talk about the screen, would be nice to see it compared in depth with a SGS.
Also any chance you could install a 3rd party launcher and compare overall speed/lag/features etc with TouchWiz?
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Will cover that indepth. Will be doing a screen comparison with first and second gen AMOLED screens (HTC Desire, SGS1), and also iPhone 4.
I'm a LauncherPro user, so will also be using that in the review and comparing to TW.
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first and foremost i'd like to know when you will be getting the device.
do you have anything more specific than mid-late march?
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I don't know anything more than you guys yet, will post anything I hear about release date/expected delivery of stock as I become aware of it.
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Use it for more than 30 seconds, like the SGS reviewers didn't. Otherwise they might have noticed the lag, gps, etc.
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This is going to be my new phone, I'm purchasing it from them, rather than being supplied it for review, so this won't be a review written after a days use like you'll see at lots of places. It will be my day to day phone, and I'll release the review in installments as I feel able to get a solid feel for the aspects I'm reporting on. The last part will probably be a couple of weeks down the line from release, and that will be the one that will be able to give much better feedback on things like battery life, performance under higher loads etc. If you guys have particular suggestions for some good stress tests for performance let me know.
Camera performance would be nice. eg. details, contrast, noise levels, features, how long it takes to process a picture, artifacts.
Camcorder also. Say look out for stuttering in videos, reproduction of frames.
As stated above, a thorough test of the phone's performance for lag or any inconveniences in performance.
Sound/Speaker quality and its volume levels.
UI/UX interface. Eg. is it polished like HTC sense, or as functional
I guess check for if all its features are working. Eg. wifi, GPS, NFC, MHL
A review of the battery life would be nice, however i think I already know the answer to that, since it only has 1650mAh/1500mAh
That's all i can think of for now.
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Also I noticed in the blog how clove wants users to discuss the price of the Galaxy S II. Just wondering, and understandable if you do not wish to answer, but, is the reason you wish to discuss is to also discuss with samsung the huge price for the galaxy s II so as to negotiate a price drop? Or is it simply for some healthy discussion?
The review will be my first piece for the blog, so I have no inside information on the discussion of the price that is currently running, and the motivation behind it.
Currently testing out RMAA software on my PC, but looks like I should be able to give good objective feedback about sound quality.
did you volunteer to review it? how come they chosen you? why will you do it?
Which 3G bands does it in fact have? Clove lists only 900/2100. Other sites list quad-band 3G. It's possible there's a Euro and International variant...
How many SGS2 forums do you post to? Is that a valid question?
I want lots of 1080p video test runs. Try flinging it into the air with the red button flashing. Doubles as a drop test.
Link to blog?
I need to know whether it can RECORD CALLS (both incoming and outgoing, real-time without beeps). Thanks!
1080p video performance in various light conditions. open up heaps of programs and see if the general phone performance is still smooth. thanks in advance
EDIT: If you can, find out what the deal is with the exynos/tegra 2 versions of the phone
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How many SGS2 forums do you post to? Is that a valid question?
I want lots of 1080p video test runs. Try flinging it into the air with the red button flashing. Doubles as a drop test.
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I post to quite a few mobile sites
Did I miss any?
Can you give us the link to the blog?
When will the review be availeble?
omg just google ''clove blog''
i thought xda forum members... oh forget it...
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omg just google ''clove blog''
i thought xda forum members... oh forget it...
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Thanks for your nice reply
How is the music quality through headphones, I understood that it was crap with the LG O2X so I really want to know with this device
Just been to the ASUS Benelux launch party and I had the chance to talk with the System Marketing manager at ASUS.
I added some more info (RED):
- I asked him about the GPS. He admitted that it is a hardware "failure" because of the aluminum back and that it will never reach the desired standard. However, he said they will NOT remove the GPS from the device and try to fix it a little with some more software updates. But he really pressed on the fact that they will NOT remove the GPS as rumored here...
- There were two ICS tablets present which he told were shipped from the Taiwan developers only for this launch and are send back later this weekend. The development menus were still present and next to the "eco", "balanced" and "normal" mode in the menu, I could also select a development mode. I wondered what this did to the tablet, but after some investigation in the settings menu it turned out that it clocked the CPU cores to 1.5GHZ or 1.6GHZ (see images below). This explains the tablets in the benchmarks Furthermore, there were alot of other development options, like forcing hardware acceleration to all applications (including 2D content). I ask him if the higher clock function will also be available in the retail ICS version, but sadly I won't But it shows that the tablet can easily be clocked higher than 1.4GHZ I tried to film the menus but the video turned out a bit fuzzy, if you want I can upload it tomorrow to youtube.
- They hooked up the tablet to a 3d tv and beamer and we could play 3d movies and riptide on it Was really nice and smooth!!
- Interesting fact he told too: The early development units of the Transformer Prime had a subwoofer built in the keyboard. However, these are removed from the retail versions
- I said the speakers were much better compared to the TF1. He explained that they made a design error there as the TF1 did have the same sized speakers but on one side it was in a much more cramped space. Therefore, they couldn't create the same size of resonance chambers as on the other side. This explains the difference in the loudness and bass of the sound on one of the sides like many users reported. He also told that they tried to patch that a little with levelling software, but it was a hardware issue. Therefore, to prevent the same problem, they opted for speakers on only one side on the TP.
- An entertainment dock for the TP will be introduced aswell. This is just some sort of a big speaker with a larger subwoofer where you can attach your prime to.
- Next to the origami sleeve, a full body sleeve will be introduced which will cover the tablet and the dock. That one will cost about €50,-
Maybe I forgot something, so questions... please ask!
Images are really large so I just linked to them:
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VIDEO ADDED (A BIT OUT OF FOCUS) but in the last part you can see a bit of the ICS UI on the TP, I will add another one which show the new task manager:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUDAalMwCuw&context=C3d100a6ADOEgsToPDskKACJiRPST2zNh3foSHjofa
Nice heads-up
Have you actually had the chance to play with a HC Prime before?
If so can you tell us if you noticed differences in speed and all those things?
I am pretty sure we can re-activate that dev-mode via custom ROMs
Did you see whether that powersaving - contrast reducing - broken feature when changing to powersave mode is present in ICS?
How about the custom Quicksettingsbar, does it look like the HC one?
Yes I have one myself and they had a few HC versions there too Sadly I did not noticed alot of speed differences between HC and ICS. Neither did other people who were testing them. It was still really smooth however, maybe the transitions were bit smoother than HC and the browser was a big improvement (no lag ). Also the keyboard lag was almost gone completely. But in terms of speed that was it, I think. Keep in mind that this was still a development version It did had alot less FCs than HC.
The quick settings bar was exactly the same as in the HC version (but with the Roboto font). I do not know about the power-saving feature, did not really paid attention to that but I did not see anything bad or funny happen when I switched to it (it did reduced the brightness like normal)...
dev mode
there are other things for dev mode like power saving being disabled, no timeout for screen and wifi always on, that sort of thing.
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there are other things for dev mode like power saving being disabled, no timeout for screen and wifi always on, that sort of thing.
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Yes true, I will upload the video tomorrow (getting late now and it is a large file). It is not very good quality but it shows the UI a bit and if you look carefully you can read the DEV menu settings
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Yes I have one myself and they had a few HC versions there too Sadly I did not noticed alot of speed differences between HC and ICS. Neither did other people who were testing them. It was still really smooth however, maybe the transitions were bit smoother than HC and the browser was a big improvement (no lag ). Also the keyboard lag was almost gone completely. But in terms of speed that was it, I think. Keep in mind that this was still a development version It did had alot less FCs than HC.
The quick settings bar was exactly the same as in the HC version (but with the Roboto font). I do not know about the power-saving feature, did not really paid attention to that but I did not see anything bad or funny happen when I switched to it (it did reduced the brightness like normal)...
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Nice to hear. Dev versions are normally way slower than release builds. So if the dev version runs the same speed we can be pretty sure ICS won't leave much place for complaints
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there are other things for dev mode like power saving being disabled, no timeout for screen and wifi always on, that sort of thing.
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Yea but those things are normal for any Android device. But ICS has way more options, that's pretty cool
Bedankt!
Did they also tell if the OC function was going to be a option in the final version which we get via OTA? Would be pretty cool, less need to root/unlock at least.
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Bedankt!
Did they also tell if the OC function was going to be a option in the final version which we get via OTA? Would be pretty cool, less need to root/unlock at least.
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Nope it won't like I said in the original post, only for ASUS devs At least, that was what he said... But I think our XDA devs have no problem to restore this feature
Did you ask about the bluetooth and wifi issues
Nope, but I tested it with both my HC version, the HC version they have there and the ICS version and they there was almost no impact on WIFI performance when bluetooth was on and vice versa. Wifi was fine during the party but they also placed one of their high end routers in the center of the room
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It was still really smooth however, maybe the transitions were bit smoother than HC and the browser was a big improvement (no lag ).
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I think the Prime on HC is plenty smooth and fast in general and don't really expect much improvement from ICS in this regard. However, if ICS manages to make for a better stock browsing experience, I think it'll pretty much live up to my expectations.
Good to hear. Hopefully my unit will not have any problems.
Did they already fix the hdmi audio issue, multi channel only relaying to left speaker?
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I think the Prime on HC is plenty smooth and fast in general and don't really expect much improvement from ICS in this regard. However, if ICS manages to make for a better stock browsing experience, I think it'll pretty much live up to my expectations.
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Yah I agree. The speed is top notch. The smoothness is just a bit below ipad standards but its fairly marginal and doesn't effect actual usage. I have been pleasantly surprised with the speed and even smoothness of HC after hearing so many complaints about it on tegra 2 and other devices. Heck even text input for me has been very good.
I wonder if they fixed:
1. browser bookmarks sync function, which simply does NOT work
2. battery details on apps in the settings does not work. We need to see app battery usage, not just system processes. ICS has a greatly advanced function they showed at the ICS conference, it better make it into the tablet and Asus better have improved the kernel to collect and display the data with the cool new ICS battery usage display
3. we need more and better widgets as the selection is a joke
YES! I love posts like these from people on the inside. Another reason to love xda so much. I'm really interested in that Dev. overclocking mode. if its said it can easily be clocked over 1.4Ghz then with developers here we might could possibly see 2Ghz or a lil higher. of course stability and heat is a major factor. This is all great news. plus I like how they said they will still release software updates to improve GPS as best as possible. ICS sounds like its nice also. Thanks again for this info OP. Prime seems to get better by the day. Plus I got my NEODROID(NeoGeo emulator) installed. we on a roll
edit: I wonder if those overclocks are across the board, all 4 cores, or on a single core. regardless it'll be faster n more powerful. I WANT IT NOW! lol
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Nope, but I tested it with both my HC version, the HC version they have there and the ICS version and they there was almost no impact on WIFI performance when bluetooth was on and vice versa. Wifi was fine during the party but they also placed one of their high end routers in the center of the room
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you're not going to notice the problem with Bluetooth and Wifi both just enabled. When Bluetooth is turned-on but nothing paired and in-use for then it is just as good as being off.
You have to pair a Bluetooth device and operate it in conjunction with the Wifi,
the best way is to stream something like video (i.e. Netflix, Youtube, Hulu, Amazon) on the Prime and listen to it in stereo with some stereo Bluetooth headphones. You're going to notice the problem in 1-3 minutes.
i really wonder if we can use all5 cores at once lol!
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you're not going to notice the problem with Bluetooth and Wifi both just enabled. When Bluetooth is turned-on but nothing paired and in-use for then it is just as good as being off.
You have to pair a Bluetooth device and operate it in conjunction with the Wifi,
the best way is to stream something like video (i.e. Netflix, Youtube, Hulu, Amazon) on the Prime and listen to it in stereo with some stereo Bluetooth headphones. You're going to notice the problem in 1-3 minutes.
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I was sending some photos which I took with the prime (8mp) to my mobile and in the meanwhile was browsing the web...
So i have heard and saw that the audio through headphones on the lumia 800 has been hideous but the update was said to improve the quality. I was just wondering if anyone had any improvements ?
Someone said that syncing the songs through Zune makes the audio as good as any other device, can anyone confirm ?
If there are still problems, We should try to identify it; Codecs, The Jack (With it supporting TRRS, Could = problems), The Nokia player, Bit rate capping... If you have any other ideas on what it could be post them and i will add and maybe someone with the know how could look into it for us.
My opinion leans towards it being Codec and Player related, Maybe Zune optimizes/translates the music files into a format that the codec reads best, This being said i doubt Nokia would go to the trouble in using a specifically optimized codec versus the range of high quality lossless codecs available at no expense.
Does anyone know if the Lumia 800 plays .FLAC (one of the highest bit rates and quality music formats) ?
I use JVC HA-FX34 in ear headphones, I cant really say much about the earphone qulity side of problems but my Blackberry (Yeah i had one ) and my android tablet played 320Kbps Mp3's well, As far as my experience goes in producing bass these are up there, There is no song i haven't listened to where the bass hasn't been sufficient with these earphones. I Listen to alot of bass dependant songs too, Over 800 Drum and Bass and Dubstep songs between my two devices, That said when i get my Lumia (2 Days ) ill tell you if there really is something wrong with the bass after the update and to see if we can troubleshoot the remaining problems.
Audio quality seems fine to me. Rather average, but certainly not poor. I do hear some barely audible ticks through my headphones when nothing is playing, but haven't noticed them during playback. Some of the complaints about audio quality might be coming from those who dare to use the headphones supplied with the phone, as they are truly awful. The only real complaint I have is that button presses from my Sony headphones, which worked fine with my Titan, aren't recognized. Wonder if the music control / answer button works on any headphones other than the ones supplied.
Ricehead said:
So i have heard and saw that the audio through headphones on the lumia 800 has been hideous but the update was said to improve the quality. I was just wondering if anyone had any improvements ?
Someone said that syncing the songs through Zune makes the audio as good as any other device, can anyone confirm ?
If there are still problems, We should try to identify it; Codecs, The Jack (With it supporting TRRS, Could = problems), The Nokia player, Bit rate capping... If you have any other ideas on what it could be post them and i will add and maybe someone with the know how could look into it for us.
My opinion leans towards it being Codec and Player related, Maybe Zune optimizes/translates the music files into a format that the codec reads best, This being said i doubt Nokia would go to the trouble in using a specifically optimized codec versus the range of high quality lossless codecs available at no expense.
Does anyone know if the Lumia 800 plays .FLAC (one of the highest bit rates and quality music formats) ?
I use JVC HA-FX34 in ear headphones, I cant really say much about the earphone qulity side of problems but my Blackberry (Yeah i had one ) and my android tablet played 320Kbps Mp3's well, As far as my experience goes in producing bass these are up there, There is no song i haven't listened to where the bass hasn't been sufficient with these earphones. I Listen to alot of bass dependant songs too, Over 800 Drum and Bass and Dubstep songs between my two devices, That said when i get my Lumia (2 Days ) ill tell you if there really is something wrong with the bass after the update and to see if we can troubleshoot the remaining problems.
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Personally I would never use my phone for listening to music. The problem with each and (nearly) every one of them is the DAC, which is generally cheaper and less efficient compared to the one that comes with dedicated devices (just with some actually, the Cirrus DAC of the 4S/latest gen Apple devices is quite crap). Also, if you're an audiophile WP7 is probably the worse choice ever since the OS doesn't support FLAC. Honestly that's not a big deal to me because I still have to find a phone sounding as good as any device with a Wolfson DAC. To my knowledge there isn't a way to troubleshoot hardware, which is the main issue here. This coupled with the limits of the OS (limited audio format support) should really make you think about getting serious and grab some good music player, like Cowon ones, or even Sandisk or Creative ones if you wanna go cheaper. The only drawback is that once you've tried some real good audio hardware you'll never be able to go back to the crappy quality of a phone.
Anyway if you really want to use your phone for your music (which I don't recommend) then you should really consider getting an Android, the hardware might be more or less the same **** but at least you can play every format and you have some almost decent EQ solutions. Just my 2 cents...
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Personally I would never use my phone for listening to music. The problem with each and (nearly) every one of them is the DAC, which is generally cheaper and less efficient compared to the one that comes with dedicated devices (just with some actually, the Cirrus DAC of the 4S/latest gen Apple devices is quite crap). Also, if you're an audiophile WP7 is probably the worse choice ever since the OS doesn't support FLAC. Honestly that's not a big deal to me because I still have to find a phone sounding as good as any device with a Wolfson DAC. To my knowledge there isn't a way to troubleshoot hardware, which is the main issue here. This coupled with the limits of the OS (limited audio format support) should really make you think about getting serious and grab some good music player, like Cowon ones, or even Sandisk or Creative ones if you wanna go cheaper. The only drawback is that once you've tried some real good audio hardware you'll never be able to go back to the crappy quality of a phone.
Anyway if you really want to use your phone for your music (which I don't recommend) then you should really consider getting an Android, the hardware might be more or less the same **** but at least you can play every format and you have some almost decent EQ solutions. Just my 2 cents...
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Never knew about DAC's, Did a little research on the Lumia's DAC and found that
It might, but most decent mobile DAC internally don't process above 600kbps or so (at least the zune HD does around there), though a bad studio also might use audio sources not upto the quality.
But I think there is noticeable noise with decent cans, even on a good audio source, at least with my ATH-M50s in a quiet area. Audio set to 5/30. It's noticeable every once in a while. Just a little bit of hissing after a song ends, and a little pop before the hissing stops. I'm using CD lossless rips (Zune converted to 256/320k) of Kelly Clarkson, Taylor Swift, and Eminem CDs, for reference. If it was something like a recent Metallica CD, I'd blame it on the studio for sure .
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I bolded the relevant bits, Even at 600Kbps the audio should be more than decent, As for the Zune thing to the people who are complaining of ****e audio quality with the Nokia Music app, Make sure you have a 320Kbps .mp3 and have a listen i'd like some feedback please.
Back on topic, I'm 15 and you know how it is money is tight, Do you know of any stylish, cheap and good sounding audio players, Small and discreet would be a bonus, Nothing smaller than 4GB or a Micros SD slot would be nice too. £40/$63 Is probably the most i can afford.
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Never knew about DAC's, Did a little research and found that
I bolded the relevant bits, Even at 600Kbps the audio should be more than decent, As for the Zune thing to the people who are complaining of ****e audio quality with the Nokia Music app, Make sure you have a 320Kbps .mp3 and have a listen i'd like some feedback please.
Back on topic, I'm 15 and you know how it is money is tight, Do you know of any stylish, cheap and good sounding audio players, Small and discreet would be a bonus, Nothing smaller than 4GB or a Micros SD slot would be nice too. £40/$63 Is probably the most i can afford.
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A year ago I wanted to purge myself of Apple, so I sold my iPod and picked up an inexpensive Sony Walkman E Series for $65USD. I'm quite impressed with its size and performance.
Also, I would check your Zune settings before syncing music. By default Zune will compress anything above 192kbps down to save space on your device. Most of my collection is 256kbps or 320kbps mp3s so I unchecked that option.
Honestly I have to admit I've never tried CD rips on a WP7 device so I cannot tell if it's good or bad. I'll try that as soon as i get the phone. Anyway some issues with non-dedicated devices are e.g. the fact that generally they have some noise in the output due to the fact that they have a radio unit and a noisy cpu. I had a GS2 a while ago and that was really painful. Looking at the review on gsmarena it seems like the lumia has some problems with stereo crosstalk and tends to cut-off bass frequencies, so that may actually be a concern for someone listening to your kind of music I guess...
If you want a good player, both decent looking and powerful you may have alook at the Creative Zen X-Fi Style. Other options may be the Sandisk Sansa Clip+, with the same sound quality and half the price, but that's definitely not so fancy looking. Cowon devices are very good too, but some of them, especially the lower end ones have a pretty gimmicky interface and they're not exactly "hair-thin" or cool to look at, despite packing the best output quality and EQ (hardware based); anyway they also cost a bit more (around 100€), so they may not be your cup of tea. I have the C2 right now, it's rather plain and the interface is super-gimmicky and unituitive, but the the sound quality is worth it for me. It also has a very long lasting battery (almost 50 hrs) and has a microsd slot which is a pretty cool feature IMHO.
Even Nokia agree with the quality of the sound being poor, that's why they are updating it, anybody who believe that it ain't are just in denial, defending Nokia, god knows why, I hope they're getting paid for it. I hope the update solves it, would love if they added an equalizer.
sHaHiN786 said:
Even Nokia agree with the quality of the sound being poor, that's why they are updating it, anybody who believe that it ain't are just in denial, defending Nokia, god knows why, I hope they're getting paid for it. I hope the update solves it, would love if they added an equalizer.
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People who prefer lossless audio codecs and use $100+ headphones (aka audiophiles) might have that opinion, but not the average person. I'm no audiophile, but I am definitely more picky than the average person about sound quality. I can greatly appreciate the difference between low end headphones (the ones included with most devices or any that can be purchased for less than $40 generally) and even a mid-range pair ($40-$100). I have no problem with the Lumia 800. Sound quality isn't as good as my old Galaxy S that had a Wolfson DAC, but it's still acceptable and allows me to enjoy my music on the go. I definitely have no reason to defend Nokia. I haven't owned one since the days of dumbphones, I own three other high end phones, and I didn't even pay for my Lumia 800 as it was a gift.
Ricehead said:
So i have heard and saw that the audio through headphones on the lumia 800 has been hideous but the update was said to improve the quality. I was just wondering if anyone had any improvements ?
Someone said that syncing the songs through Zune makes the audio as good as any other device, can anyone confirm ?
If there are still problems, We should try to identify it; Codecs, The Jack (With it supporting TRRS, Could = problems), The Nokia player, Bit rate capping... If you have any other ideas on what it could be post them and i will add and maybe someone with the know how could look into it for us.
My opinion leans towards it being Codec and Player related, Maybe Zune optimizes/translates the music files into a format that the codec reads best, This being said i doubt Nokia would go to the trouble in using a specifically optimized codec versus the range of high quality lossless codecs available at no expense.
Does anyone know if the Lumia 800 plays .FLAC (one of the highest bit rates and quality music formats) ?
I use JVC HA-FX34 in ear headphones, I cant really say much about the earphone qulity side of problems but my Blackberry (Yeah i had one ) and my android tablet played 320Kbps Mp3's well, As far as my experience goes in producing bass these are up there, There is no song i haven't listened to where the bass hasn't been sufficient with these earphones. I Listen to alot of bass dependant songs too, Over 800 Drum and Bass and Dubstep songs between my two devices, That said when i get my Lumia (2 Days ) ill tell you if there really is something wrong with the bass after the update and to see if we can troubleshoot the remaining problems.
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The update for the audio and camera is coming soon by the way, no eta's so far.
sHaHiN786 said:
Even Nokia agree with the quality of the sound being poor, that's why they are updating it, anybody who believe that it ain't are just in denial, defending Nokia, god knows why, I hope they're getting paid for it. I hope the update solves it, would love if they added an equalizer.
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From what i can make out Nokia cant do anything to the firm/software to improve it, In my eyes they should make a revised version with as many bugs as possible fixed and offer a straight swap for your current Lumia.
gtg465x said:
Also, I would check your Zune settings before syncing music. By default Zune will compress anything above 192kbps down to save space on your device. Most of my collection is 256kbps or 320kbps mp3s so I unchecked that option.
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Noted, +1, Thank you
vnvman said:
Honestly I have to admit I've never tried CD rips on a WP7 device so I cannot tell if it's good or bad. I'll try that as soon as i get the phone. Anyway some issues with non-dedicated devices are e.g. the fact that generally they have some noise in the output due to the fact that they have a radio unit and a noisy cpu. I had a GS2 a while ago and that was really painful. Looking at the review on gsmarena it seems like the lumia has some problems with stereo crosstalk and tends to cut-off bass frequencies, so that may actually be a concern for someone listening to your kind of music I guess...
If you want a good player, both decent looking and powerful you may have alook at the Creative Zen X-Fi Style. Other options may be the Sandisk Sansa Clip+, with the same sound quality and half the price, but that's definitely not so fancy looking. Cowon devices are very good too, but some of them, especially the lower end ones have a pretty gimmicky interface and they're not exactly "hair-thin" or cool to look at, despite packing the best output quality and EQ (hardware based); anyway they also cost a bit more (around 100€), so they may not be your cup of tea. I have the C2 right now, it's rather plain and the interface is super-gimmicky and unituitive, but the the sound quality is worth it for me. It also has a very long lasting battery (almost 50 hrs) and has a microsd slot which is a pretty cool feature IMHO.
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Might get the Sansa has some good features and is super cheap, +1 for the input.
Lumia is lacking of bass, it's ok with monster purity, but with my Creative EP630 it's almost poor quality
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The update for the audio and camera is coming soon by the way, no eta's so far.
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Looking forward to it
gtg465x said:
People who prefer lossless audio codecs and use $100+ headphones (aka audiophiles) might have that opinion, but not the average person. I'm no audiophile, but I am definitely more picky than the average person about sound quality. I can greatly appreciate the difference between low end headphones (the ones included with most devices or any that can be purchased for less than $40 generally) and even a mid-range pair ($40-$100). I have no problem with the Lumia 800. Sound quality isn't as good as my old Galaxy S that had a Wolfson DAC, but it's still acceptable and allows me to enjoy my music on the go. I definitely have no reason to defend Nokia. I haven't owned one since the days of dumbphones, I own three other high end phones, and I didn't even pay for my Lumia 800 as it was a gift.
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Have you ever experienced such "problems" as described by other users before the update perhaps, or have you enjoyed it from the start.
As a random question to everyone, Do you know if Windows Phone 7.5 users will be able to update to WP8 or will there be a new range of phones.
Ricehead said:
Have you ever experienced such "problems" as described by other users before the update perhaps, or have you enjoyed it from the start.
As a random question to everyone, Do you know if Windows Phone 7.5 users will be able to update to WP8 or will there be a new range of phones.
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It's my understanding (read it a while ago) that major Windows Phone software updates are supposed to be compatible two devices back.
anseio said:
It's my understanding (read it a while ago) that major Windows Phone software updates are supposed to be compatible two devices back.
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Not so the HTC HD2 running 6.5 was not upgrade able to WP7, Attached is a screenshot of a question from the answers.microsoft site, No WP8 for WP7.5 makes me a sad bunny.
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Not so the HTC HD2 running 6.5 was not upgrade able to WP7, Attached is a screenshot of a question from the answers.microsoft site, No WP8 for WP7.5 makes me a sad bunny.
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I know it's semantical, but the HD2 is/was not Windows Phone. It's Windows Mobile... a completely different OS.
And... yes... the HD2 is fully capable of running Mango with ease. It's just cannot be officially updated to it.
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Have you ever experienced such "problems" as described by other users before the update perhaps, or have you enjoyed it from the start.
As a random question to everyone, Do you know if Windows Phone 7.5 users will be able to update to WP8 or will there be a new range of phones.
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I haven't received any firmware update, but I got the 8107 OS update the first time I plugged in my device so I never really used the phone on 7740 or whatever it was on previously.
I did try the headphones that came with the phone and audio quality with those was indeed awful, but that's something I expected and with my own headphones audio quality is fine (average for a modern smartphone).
Ricehead said:
Have you ever experienced such "problems" as described by other users before the update perhaps, or have you enjoyed it from the start.
As a random question to everyone, Do you know if Windows Phone 7.5 users will be able to update to WP8 or will there be a new range of phones.
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Yes, it will, it has been confirmed that our handset will, can't find the link for it.
The link to confirm the audio issue is being dealt with: http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2012...bout-lumia-800-battery-life-audio-and-camera/
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I know it's semantical, but the HD2 is/was not Windows Phone. It's Windows Mobile... a completely different OS.
And... yes... the HD2 is fully capable of running Mango with ease. It's just cannot be officially updated to it.
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So really im just a dumbass because i didnt even realise there was a difference and that the lumia will be more than likely be able to run Apollo
Most of users I mean 99.8% bet without paying for focus research won't use it but my OX+ doesn't play flacs 24/192.
Flacs 24/96 yes.
Maybe someone knows, can be this limited by the DAC or just system.
One song its like 260Mb compare to 320mp3 10Mb.
I can only presume that in Hi Fi world also not many devices do it and they size of few times bigger than phone. At the moment lets say standard is 24/96.
Its not a despair really because sound is still amazing. But going extra step I think we need to wait to get better.
smok15 said:
Most of users I mean 99.8% bet without paying for focus research won't use it but my OX+ doesn't play flacs 24/192.
Flacs 24/96 yes.
Maybe someone knows, can be this limited by the DAC or just system.
One song its like 260Mb compare to 320mp3 10Mb.
I can only presume that in Hi Fi world also not many devices do it and they size of few times bigger than phone. At the moment lets say standard is 24/96.
Its not a despair really because sound is still amazing. But going extra step I think we need to wait to get better.
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Did you try with PowerAmp ?
Yes I tried with Power Amp only 24/96.
It goes in seconds to the end of the album and says too many files failed playback will stop now.
It would be hi end if it plays. Lol
Get an external DAC or stop being an audio snob.
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Get an external DAC or stop being an audio snob.
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And you sir, are a forum snob. Your post contributed nothing. You are a waste of space, time and energy.
To OP: I do not think the HOX+ has an audio chip half way decent enough to play it to it potential anyway. AFAIK, Poweramp should be able to handle it none the less. If I were you, I would save some space and convert it to a slightly lower quality.You will lose nothing our audio chip already takes from the song.
Wrong section BTW
Thank you Sparkplug619.
There is no way to carry extra device, remember to charge it etc. Done that.
Just a act of curiosity what we can.
With Beats Audio products is all the same it not easy to find specs.
Dac in One X before was Texas Instrument?
At least not many album have 24/192.
I'm considering buying a Moto E this Black Friday and I want some advice from owners of this device.
My daily driver is a Moto X 2013 16 GB running stock 4.4.4, rooted with Xposed. I'm absolutely in love with this phone and all Motorola has done in in it, but I can't use it everywhere. It's been stolen once already, and I've been looking for a phone to use when I'm going to places where it can be easily lost or stolen (currently using a very old phone with Froyo that can't even handle SwiftKey and averages 6 hours standby time). The Moto X doesn't have enough storage for all my songs, so I either have to carry a MP3 player with me all the time or only sync part of my library.
From what I've read, the Moto E looks like an inexpensive phone that fits both use cases. Also I'm dying for Android L and I need Xposed on my daily driver.
How is the audio quality with headphones? I don't need it to be excellent, but at least put some use to the 320 kbps MP3s.
How is the battery life for audio playback? I've read the battery drops quickly playing videos. Is that true with audio too? Does the phone become hot?
I don't need Dual SIM, but both models are the same price. Is there any advantage to the Single SIM variant (I'd guess it could have better dev support, quicker OTAs, longer battery life, better reception)?
Would you recommend it, or do you know better alternatives I might have missed?
edit: Comparing the two variants it looks like the Single SIM has more 3G bands that my carrier supports. That means better reception, right?
I say audio quality is not the best I don't think you can notice difference between flac & mp3
Vianna said:
I'm considering buying a Moto E this Black Friday and I want some advice from owners of this device.
My daily driver is a Moto X 2013 16 GB running stock 4.4.4, rooted with Xposed. I'm absolutely in love with this phone and all Motorola has done in in it, but I can't use it everywhere. It's been stolen once already, and I've been looking for a phone to use when I'm going to places where it can be easily lost or stolen (currently using a very old phone with Froyo that can't even handle SwiftKey and averages 6 hours standby time). The Moto X doesn't have enough storage for all my songs, so I either have to carry a MP3 player with me all the time or only sync part of my library.
From what I've read, the Moto E looks like an inexpensive phone that fits both use cases. Also I'm dying for Android L and I need Xposed on my daily driver.
How is the audio quality with headphones? I don't need it to be excellent, to the point where the difference between FLAC and MP3-320 is noticeable, but if it's low quality it kinda ruins it.
How is the battery life for audio playback? I've read the battery drops quickly playing videos. Is that true with audio too? Does the phone become hot?
I don't need Dual SIM, but both models are the same price. Is there any advantage to the Single SIM variant (I'd guess it could have better dev support, quicker OTAs, longer battery life, better reception)?
Would you recommend it, or do you know better alternatives I might have missed?
edit: Comparing the two variants it looks like the Single SIM has more 3G bands that my carrier supports. That means better reception, right?
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1.) Audio quality is OK,its not the audiophile quality though. However, I don't rely on android media lib for music decoding. I use Neutron and it has its own codec libs and yes, with good earphones, the diff is clear in lossless and mp3s esp low freqs. So if you do listen to lossless, that is the player recommended.
2.)Battery life is been great for me. It lasts better than any other I've used. I don't watch videos or play games much but for music its good. It does get hot though after continuous music playback.
3.) Single sim runs on stock Android so it will certainly receive updates before dual sim variant. That's totally depends on your personal choice and requirements.
4.) I can't comment on other devices in the segment as I haven't used any other.
pdpmoto said:
I say audio quality is not the best I don't think you can notice difference between flac & mp3
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Would you happen to know how does it compare to other phones and dedicated music players?
That question on audio was poorly written by me. I clarified it a little.
You can go for a moto g 2..
!!better in everything!!
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You can go for a moto g 2..
!!better in everything!!
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And double the price.
tonibm19 said:
And double the price.
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True