Hi There, Does anyone know if it's possible to use the Galaxy S2 without a battery, or trick it into thinking it does have one and just run off power?
My phone works, but kills a battery in about 30 minutes. There's one resistor in there that gets super hot after being water damaged, but only with a battery in.
Wouldn't know where to buy a new resistor, so wouldn't mind leaving it permanently docked and run my audio for the house through it if I can somehow run it without a battery
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I think it can run without battery but can't boot without battery
Sent from my sgs2 running cm9 using xda app
Makrilli said:
I think it can run without battery but can't boot without battery
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Just tried that on another S2 I have and it didn't work
Sorry to revive a old thread, but I would also like to know if there is a way to trick the phone into booting from a power supply instead of a battery. I am attempting to hardwire an old S2 into an imbedded in car media player blah blah blah.....long story short I have issues using the battery.
If I leave the phone plugged into a constant powered USB when the car is off and the phone is sitting dormant it over charges, the battery gets super hot, I get the overcharge/overheat warning etc. If I disconnect it, then I have two issues, first it loses charge as it is in use and pulling it when I park means having to bring it inside and top it off etc. The second problem is....it kind of defeats the purpose of an "embedded system".
I have the software set up perfectly and I love the way it all works. My only current hitch is the battery issue. If I can bypass it I know I can run a off delay relay, so that when the car is shut off the USB cord stays "hot" for say 1 hour then shuts off thus removing power. This option seems tedious and the parts more expensive then a simple power supply replacement. Unfortunately I do not know the software side.
I have been able to get the phone to boot without a battery, however as soon as it is done booting I get the "battery low, plug in" warning, then a few seconds later the phone shuts off........Is there a way to keep the phone from shutting down at that point, or get it to ignore the fact the "battery" is at 0%?
Edit: When I say I can get it to boot without a battery, I am wiring a power supply directly to the two pins that the battery + and - would be touching.
techoverload said:
Sorry to revive a old thread, but I would also like to know if there is a way to trick the phone into booting from a power supply instead of a battery. I am attempting to hardwire an old S2 into an imbedded in car media player blah blah blah.....long story short I have issues using the battery.
If I leave the phone plugged into a constant powered USB when the car is off and the phone is sitting dormant it over charges, the battery gets super hot, I get the overcharge/overheat warning etc. If I disconnect it, then I have two issues, first it loses charge as it is in use and pulling it when I park means having to bring it inside and top it off etc. The second problem is....it kind of defeats the purpose of an "embedded system".
I have the software set up perfectly and I love the way it all works. My only current hitch is the battery issue. If I can bypass it I know I can run a off delay relay, so that when the car is shut off the USB cord stays "hot" for say 1 hour then shuts off thus removing power. This option seems tedious and the parts more expensive then a simple power supply replacement. Unfortunately I do not know the software side.
I have been able to get the phone to boot without a battery, however as soon as it is done booting I get the "battery low, plug in" warning, then a few seconds later the phone shuts off........Is there a way to keep the phone from shutting down at that point, or get it to ignore the fact the "battery" is at 0%?
Edit: When I say I can get it to boot without a battery, I am wiring a power supply directly to the two pins that the battery + and - would be touching.
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any solutions to this yet?
the phone has a circuit that controls power and charge level by communicating with the battery so it will always know that the battery is removed because the battery feedback circuit will not be present.
Sorry for reviving an old thread, but i have a solution that may help others out.
I have found a way to power the Galaxy S2 GT-I9100T from an external power supply ( i have also tested on S3 GT-I9300 and S5 SM-G900I).
My first step was to create a dummy battery out of perspex, you could use any non conductive material.
Make sure you include the alignment notches and keep it as close to the size of the original battery so it is a snug fit and wont accidentally fall out.
When you know the perspex fits you can start fitting the contact terminals, make sure you have the polarity correct and that they line up with the contact terminals of the original battery and the spring terminals in the phone.
Once you have the terminals fitted you can then look at powering up your phone, i used a LM2596 based DC-DC converter that i had laying around.
If you are using a variable DC-DC converter like i did make sure you adjust the output of the power supply BEFORE connecting to your phone to prevent you destroying your device.
My DC-DC converter is set at 3.88 Volts, this value seems to trick the phone into thinking it has a battery with greater than 40% charge that way you don't get the annoying low battery alerts.
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How about taking your admittedly innovative idea one stage further.......
If you have an old battery laying around, why not (very carefully) remove the top part of it for use with your perspex replacement....this top section contains the overcharge protection circuit which would help to provide added protection to the device....it also has the benefits of the facts that the battery connection points are already in place and correctly aligned (it also has those alignment notches at either end).....imo, an improvement on an already good idea....
I got problem with my SGS 2 - after long on-shelf time battery drained to absoltely zero. My voltometer showed 0 on every connector. I was unable to charge or boot my phone (24h+ on charger, no signs of life). Dead, bricked, gone... Battery was relatively new (some months) so I didn't want to buy another one. Then I read Spud2233's post... and tried it .Well, kind of variation. I connected charger to phone's USB port and additional power (Motorola's dual port charger) to internal batterys connector (simly stripped old USB cable). Then battery was inserted and.... voila! After 2 or 3 retries my phone booted in and started to charge. I disconected additional power cable, phone is loading as usual. Battery revived!
Thanks for inspiration, Spud2233!
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I got problem with my SGS 2 - after long on-shelf time battery drained to absoltely zero. My voltometer showed 0 on every connector. I was unable to charge or boot my phone (24h+ on charger, no signs of life). Dead, bricked, gone... Battery was relatively new (some months) so I didn't want to buy another one. Then I read Spud2233's post... and tried it .Well, kind of variation. I connected charger to phone's USB port and additional power (Motorola's dual port charger) to internal batterys connector (simly stripped old USB cable). Then battery was inserted and.... voila! After 2 or 3 retries my phone booted in and started to charge. I disconected additional power cable, phone is loading as usual. Battery revived!
Thanks for inspiration, Spud2233!
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Just registered to say thanks for this tip!
I too have had SII batteries go dead after too long, and the SII seems to be unable to power up without a voltage across the battery terminals.
I used a small variable power supply set to about 3.5 V. I trimmed some thin hookup wire until only a few strands were left and 'pinched' them between the battery terminals and the phone battery contacts. Then with a charger plugged in to the phone I was able to 'trick' the phone into turning on. Once booted the battery charged fine.
Note I think this should be done quickly as the phone and power supply will fight each other for as long as the voltage is placed on the contact, so I pulled the PS wires out (keeping the battery in) as soon as the phone was booted up.
szydas said:
I got problem with my SGS 2 - after long on-shelf time battery drained to absoltely zero. My voltometer showed 0 on every connector. I was unable to charge or boot my phone (24h+ on charger, no signs of life). Dead, bricked, gone... Battery was relatively new (some months) so I didn't want to buy another one. Then I read Spud2233's post... and tried it .Well, kind of variation. I connected charger to phone's USB port and additional power (Motorola's dual port charger) to internal batterys connector (simly stripped old USB cable). Then battery was inserted and.... voila! After 2 or 3 retries my phone booted in and started to charge. I disconected additional power cable, phone is loading as usual. Battery revived!
Thanks for inspiration, Spud2233!
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Thank you so much for the solution to my problem! I have purchased TWO batteries already and they both stopped working after drained to zero. I was blaming a charger or a quality of the battery. I found other posts suggesting to remove a capacitor but it wasn't broken...
Thanks to you, I have just booted my phone, pulled out extra power after couple minutes and it charging on its own now! (well 5% as I speak).
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Just registered to say thanks for this tip!
I too have had SII batteries go dead after too long, and the SII seems to be unable to power up without a voltage across the battery terminals.
I used a small variable power supply set to about 3.5 V. I trimmed some thin hookup wire until only a few strands were left and 'pinched' them between the battery terminals and the phone battery contacts. Then with a charger plugged in to the phone I was able to 'trick' the phone into turning on. Once booted the battery charged fine.
Note I think this should be done quickly as the phone and power supply will fight each other for as long as the voltage is placed on the contact, so I pulled the PS wires out (keeping the battery in) as soon as the phone was booted up.
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szydas said:
I got problem with my SGS 2 - after long on-shelf time battery drained to absoltely zero. My voltometer showed 0 on every connector. I was unable to charge or boot my phone (24h+ on charger, no signs of life). Dead, bricked, gone... Battery was relatively new (some months) so I didn't want to buy another one. Then I read Spud2233's post... and tried it .Well, kind of variation. I connected charger to phone's USB port and additional power (Motorola's dual port charger) to internal batterys connector (simly stripped old USB cable). Then battery was inserted and.... voila! After 2 or 3 retries my phone booted in and started to charge. I disconected additional power cable, phone is loading as usual. Battery revived!
Thanks for inspiration, Spud2233!
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I am in the same situation with SII batteries go dead after too long.
I do not understand this part
''I connected charger to phone's USB port and additional power (Motorola's dual port charger) to internal batterys connector (simly stripped old USB cable). Then battery was inserted and.... voila!''
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'' I trimmed some thin hookup wire until only a few strands were left and 'pinched' them between the battery terminals and the phone battery contacts. Then with a charger plugged in to the phone I was able to 'trick' the phone into turning on.''
how is this different than inserting the battery in the phone and then connecting the usb power supply?
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how is this different than inserting the battery in the phone and then connecting the usb power supply?
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The phone won't charge the battery if it doesn't detect (sufficient) voltage. You can "jump start" the charging process by tricking it with a fixed voltage across the terminals.
so I take my dead battery, then
-take a usb charger+usb cable
-strip the usb cable to get two strands
-put one strand of the usb cable on the + of the battery
-put one strand of the usb cable on the - of the battery
=>the battery is charging
[or easier, I take battery like this,
put one strand of an electric cable on the +, connect this cable to the + of the phone battery, then put one strand of the electric cable on the - of the battery and the - of the phone battery
then I put the battey in the phone with usb power supply IN and the phone boots ???
I wouldn't use a USB cable, 5 V is probably too high.
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or easier, I take battery like this, put one strand of an electric cable on the +, connect this cable to the + of the phone battery, then put one strand of the electric cable on the - of the battery and the - of the phone battery then I put the battey in the phone with usb power supply IN and the phone boots ???
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Yep, that's exactly what I did (except I used a 3.5 V power supply).
Once the phone has begun booting you should probably disconnect the "jump start" battery as quickly as possible or it'll fight the charging circuit.
fpN3eqU said:
I wouldn't use a USB cable, 5 V is probably too high.
Yep, that's exactly what I did (except I used a 3.5 V power supply).
Once the phone has begun booting you should probably disconnect the "jump start" battery as quickly as possible or it'll fight the charging circuit.
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but you agree that connecting the phone battery the charged green battery is like charging the phone battery [at least a bit]?
then I would just use the phone battery normally, by inserting it into the phone and boot the phone and finish to charge the phone battery.
blue whale said:
but you agree that connecting the phone battery the charged green battery is like charging the phone battery [at least a bit]?
then I would just use the phone battery normally, by inserting it into the phone and boot the phone and finish to charge the phone battery.
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Not really, the SII battery will still be dead after a few seconds "charging". Getting the voltage across the phone battery terminals tricks the phone that there's a charged battery present so it will boot and continue charging it. Otherwise it gets stuck in something like a boot loop looking for the battery (mine did anyway).
If you could charge it separately from the phone then obviously you'd just do that.
Thank you for all your tips. I tried similar stuff, but I guess the voltage was just not right.
So I asked around to get a spare battery, which which I powered on the phone. It worked like charm.
I change the battery while the phone was running and tada! my phone was loading the "out of order" battery just fine.
Pretty much the same trick you guys did, but with less soldering and more quick magic happening ^^
regsnerven said:
Thank you for all your tips. I tried similar stuff, but I guess the voltage was just not right.
So I asked around to get a spare battery, which which I powered on the phone. It worked like charm.
I change the battery while the phone was running and tada! my phone was loading the "out of order" battery just fine.
Pretty much the same trick you guys did, but with less soldering and more quick magic happening ^^
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I did just that to my s2 and his dead battery.
I was scared to go with ONLY a 18650 battery to charge the dead battery (no phone or usb charger involved) : I did not know if I should connect pole+ of the 18650 with pole + of dead battery (and pole - of 18650 with pole - of dead battery) which is the parallel scheme or the opposite, to go with the ''series'' scheme
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I was scared to go with ONLY a 18650 battery to charge the dead battery (no phone or usb charger involved) : I did not know if I should connect pole+ of the 18650 with pole + of dead battery (and pole - of 18650 with pole - of dead battery) which is the parallel scheme or the opposite, to go with the ''series'' scheme
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You were right to be scared. You should not do that. The dead battery might draw too much current. That could be dangerous. Read a bit about how charging of Li-Ion batteries works: first you charge with constant current (CC), which depends on the battery's design, once it reaches the correct voltage (4.2 V for a single cell), it should go into constant voltage mode, and then you have to know at what time or remaining current you shut the charger off. A good rule of thumb is to wait till the current drops to 10% of the charging current. E.g. if you were charging the battery with 1 A***, you should turn off the charger when it's down to 100 mA.
***1 A is just an example that would work for most modern phone batteries. However, this can be different! Ideally it's written on the battery.
Also, it's very well possible that in newer phones the battery will only output voltage if the charging circuit inside the phone allows it to. At least that's the case in notebooks for many years, and I don't see why it should be very different for phones.
I got a Droid Razr from a friend who tried to do a "battery pull" to fix it when it was locked up or something. Her battery pull was exactly that. She ripped it right out tearing the ribbon cable that connects it. She says it worked fine before that, other than the "lock up". So I picked up a new battery from ebay and put it in.
It still didn't start up, initially. The first thing I did was plug the phone into the computer; that gave me the white led. Next, I tried the wall outlet adapter; that got me to the Motorola logo and the battery symbol that showed 5% charged and 100% charged, and nothing else. The phone wouldn't turn on.
After reading as much as I could find today, I found out about the factory programming cable that adds power to pin 4. I made one and then things changed up a little. Now, with the new cable, I can only get the phone to power on when it's connected to a computer and it does nothing when connected to the wall adapter. When connected to the computer, however, the phone boots all the way up but it won't charge. When I disconnect it, it turns off. I've left it connected to the computer or wall outlet in various states of operation (os fully loaded, boot menu, and off) all day.
While the phone is connected to the computer and booted up, when I go to battery stats, it says it's 5% charged and that it's draining.
I also decided to try connecting negative and positive leads directly to the battery terminals from the USB wall adapter. When I do that, the phone boots up and the battery stats says it's at 90% charge and draining.
I've tried 3 different wall adapters. One 500 mah, one 750 mah, and one 1000 mah. Same results on all of them.
Any ideas?
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I also inspected the inside of the phone for damage from the "battery pull" but there does not appear to be any.
Hello,
I have a really weird problem with my phone for several months now. I use Zenfone 5, and my warranty is probably void already, but I could not use it anyhow (it is in a different country). I tried contacting the official support, but they just said to send it in for a check up, which I could not at the time, and cannot now either.
The problem started when I plugged in my phone in my car using third party car charger. It worked with other phones with no problems, and the output should be OK. When I plugged it in, the light on the charger went off, and the phone turned itself off without any notification. I tried to power the phone on with no success. It just vibrated, and remained off. Later I disassembled the charger and found out that the safety fuse has melted.
I went to my house and plugged the phone in, and it turned on. But the problem was, and remained to this day, that the phone thinks it is charging even when it is not plugged in. The phone charges normally, and battery life is ok, the phone normally goes into deep sleep mode.
The phone won't power up without charger, and the USB OTG obviously doesn't work. But there are some curious things about this problem.
When I took my phone apart and disconnected the battery for 30 minutes (it is non-removable), after I connected it back, the phone turned itself on (without the charger), until I tried to charge it, then it went back to only powering on while on charger. The constant charging thing, nevertheless, remained all the time.
Sometimes when I plug in the cheap USB OTG converter, the phone stops charging notification. When I unplug it, it goes back to charging.
I have no clue what could be the problem, and which part (the usb board or the battery) could be faulty.
I also tried hard reset a few times, with no success.
Thank you in advance for your answers.
Bump? Anyone? Any clue?
Is there any way to change kernel so it doesn't register charging if there is no current flowing to the phone?
And which type of battery connector is this?
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Hello. I'm a new member here. So my phone couldn't be turned on, i guess it was caused by the age (it aged 5 years). Before this phone couldn't be turned on, it was in a low battery situation, then i plugged to the wall which made the battery percentage increased to 67%, then i unplugged it and used it until the operating system crash (hang) about an hour, so i decided to pull and plug the battery. When it's booting, it gets bootloop. So i decided to pull and plug the battery again. Now it won't turn on at all. But after I checked using multimeter, it seems to reach the normal volt which is 3,7v. I tried vol up+home+power(screen is blank), vol down+home+power(screen still blank), charging it to pc(no battery notifications), cleaning the yellow battery parts (idk what it's called) also the port, tried a new battery, tried charging it to the wall, and nothing happened. When it was charging, it created a great heat. Note that this phone had never been rooted, exposed to sunlight, splashed water, etc. Maybe i need a new phone?? Lol i don't have enough budget right now.
I recently picked up this galaxy s6 edge from a friend that upgraded to a new phone. It won't turn on, neither to android recovery, nor to download mode nor the android. I charged it via wireless charging overnight and i tried for around an hour with a usb cable. What do i do?
same issue i am facing, i tried original charger, wireless charger and fast chargers from many different brands. but all failed. The device only gets warm/hot while charging and nothing happens. neither download mode nor recovery mode works. I am kind pf stuck without any solution, my device was used very rarely and its like an brand new device. Doesn't know what to do, if you find any solution then please let me know too. thanks in advance
Same problem. If I press power button very long, blue light comes on. Then it's stuck and stays like this until battery is flat. Battery charging is not possible: device heats up (tried USB and Qi), but battery doesn't take any charge.
So I opened the S6 and checked the battery directly. I can charge it directly with a lab power supply and when I plug it in and press power button, the blue notification light comes on again until battery is empty again. I can also see that only ICs get hot, but not the battery when plugging in USB.
So, it's definitely some hardware fault. I suspect power IC that is not able to power up the screen. But I don't know. I will investigate further but it looks difficult. However, I have seen many YouTube videos with same symptoms, but problem was always different than mine :/
Hi guys,
This thread is 2 months old, any of you managed to fix the problem?
I am having very similar problem. My phone was on a shelf for about a year and a half. Before now it was working perfectly. Now I can't charge it via USB or power adapter. When trying to power it up or get into download or recovery mode, nothing happens. Computer does not see it. Tried different cables, USB ports, power adapters..nothing.
The only thing that is happening to the phone is the battery logo appears when trying to charge it, though the green bar does not go over battery, only the empty grey battery with lightning icon in the middle. Also the screen does not go dark after a few seconds as it should and the red/blue LED does not turn on.
Is this the signal from the phone, that the battery is to deeply dischareged and cannot be charged again? I am googling all over the web and can't find anybody talking about what phone does in case of to low voltage on battery.
PS back does not seem to be bloated, USB port was working perfectly last time used
Please try to help, you are my last stop before opening the phone and start probing the poop out of motherboard to see what gave.
EDIT: something interesting happened just about an hour after my post. The battery suddenly started showing % of charge and the green bar started running, computer recognized the phone.. as everything should be.
My FIX: leave the phone pluged in and charging for about 3days and it will start working again.
My semi professional explenation of fix and problem: the phone has a ''backup or reserve'' battery. It is actually main battery but the last I think I read somewhere it is 20% of capacity, is reserved for phone exclusively for the clock and all other electronics that need power when switched off. Now these 20% probably were discharged due to laying around for almost 2 years.
It took me 3 days of charging to fill up these ''20%'' I guess. Probably because Lithium batteries are charged VERY slow at very start and end. This is safty procedure for ALL Li batteries.
If any expert can confirm my conclusion please do so, to help other people.
To answer partialy to my question: The phone tells you battery is ''deep'' discharged when you only see the charge icon without the green bar.
In the mean time I was writing this edit I came up to 4% battery and turned it on!
BR Friend