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Does this device suffer from Over Heating just like Z3+ phones?
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Does this device suffer from Over Heating just like Z3+ phones?
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I've not had any problems with overheating. But I don't play demanding games on my tablet.
I'm using Skype regularly and the tablet is becoming very hot in that case (together with huge battery drain during calls).
But more worse...it seems that when it is becoming too hot, the audio hardware is stopping work. The other one is not hearing anything until the headphone is replugged. Then it works for a while until it stops again. It seems to happen more often when the backside is a bit covered (tablet lying flat on surface for example... Higher temperature? )
My Tablet Z was running longer on Skype call than the Z4.
jaidev.s said:
Does this device suffer from Over Heating just like Z3+ phones?
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The device become hotter in a back area that is never reached with the hands during normal use. I don`t think there`s something to worry about. It`s still not as hot as my z3.
Tested only the WiFi version.
Here is no over heating
And Very Hot?
My Device have with Games 45 Grad Celsius on Back Top Side. Botton Back Side less. This is for me not Hot. It is warm.
You will feel a to Warm Tablet, take a Dell Venue 11 Pro.
No overheating here. Used my tablet continuously for pretty much the entirety of my last trans-Pacific flight (watching movies, playing games, reading), and at the peak of my movie-watching, it got a little warm to the touch on the back.
overheating here and with an hard backcover it causes a reboot!
Linke during titanium backupping and multitasking at the same time...
@all
Overheating / heat issues can be fixed / limited by rooting and flashing an custom kernel with init.d support for some overall kernel tuning & tweaking..
I'm getting ready to pack in my M8, and I want to go the same size or smaller for under $450 (tops). The Z5c seems to be the only Android phone that really fits that bill while keeping respectable performance, but there are two issues that have me thinking twice: overheating and the "self-cracking glass".
I know nothing can be done about the screen (unless a tempered glass protector helps to keep it intact), but the overheating, if fixed, could sway me away from the Honor 8 or LG G5. I've read that the firmware update that came along with Marshmallow has largely fixed the problem, and combined with a patch available here that throttles the phone a little more aggressively, heat is no longer a big problem. That said, I'm concerned about gimping the performance of the phone in order to keep it from char-broiling my hands. How noticeable is the throttling and, if thermals are still an issue with the phone, how big of one are they?
If you wouldn't recommend the Z5c, the thermal issues remain or the throttling hurts performance in a noticeable way, I'd be curious if there are any other phones (with a micro SD slot) that you think are worth looking at.
Thanks!
Hey , i have my phone from March
this year, 3-4 updates still overheating..
battery top 46C, and cpu 60C MAX so far and stays there,
but! when battery reached 40C+ and CPU 60C+, device become 50% slow (i guess to prevent overheating)
on some games\apps you feel it, some not,
even on anutu cold device is about 90K hot device is about 50K score
after 5 -15 minutes of gaming already from 28 to 43, (depend room temp and game\app) sometimes i can shoot 4K videos for 10 minutes sometimes 1 hour
i think self cracked glass happening because two reasons
1 mainly reason: moving fast from cold when the glass is pretty hot by much (heat cause expanded)
2.sitting on device without notice
ps
sorry if my english is bad
Superrman said:
Hey , i have my phone from March
this year, 3-4 updates still overheating..
battery top 46C, and cpu 60C MAX so far and stays there,
but! when battery reached 40C+ and CPU 60C+, device become 50% slow (i guess to prevent overheating)
on some games\apps you feel it, some not,
even on anutu cold device is about 90K hot device is about 50K score
after 5 -15 minutes of gaming already from 28 to 43, (depend room temp and game\app) sometimes i can shoot 4K videos for 10 minutes sometimes 1 hour
i think self cracked glass happening because two reasons
1 mainly reason: moving fast from cold when the glass is pretty hot by much (heat cause expanded)
2.sitting on device without notice
ps
sorry if my english is bad
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Thank you! Do you know if the X Compact will run any cooler? The lower power chipset can only help, but I'm concerned about paying $500 for a phone that might not be as powerful as its older brother, which now retails for $100+ less, especially if the overheating and cracked glass issues aren't solved.
If only the Honor 8 wasn't riddled with iOS disease...
you're welcome
As far as iknow for the X compact does not have 4K, slower GPU,(CPU speed is about the same) not water resistant \proof
but he run abit cooler and got more RAM 3 for multitasking
i own only Z5 Compact
X compact base on youtube reviews and reading online
one of many
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-aB-h4OPlE
first, sorry for my english .. i have my z5c about 2 months and i don`t have any problems with overheat .. i think only some devices are afected .. i`m running 6.0.1 rooted .. before i had an xperia z2 and while i play a game (clash of clans) was a lil bit warmer than z5c ..
adryanodej said:
first, sorry for my english .. i have my z5c about 2 months and i don`t have any problems with overheat .. i think only some devices are afected .. i`m running 6.0.1 rooted .. before i had an xperia z2 and while i play a game (clash of clans) was a lil bit warmer than z5c ..
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maybe hardware defective on some line, i remember every 3 months came new line ver 1 2 and 3 ( i think i have revision 1 or 2) 3 was available but didnt sold here
you can check your temp history somehow? like C3 widget?
or real time small app (shows cpu and batt temp)
maybe you dont play heavy games?
try run antutu 3-4 times see how much score is changing each run ,mine is from 90K to 50K more annoying then overheating himself
I run a few time antutu and i comback with results
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maybe hardware defective on some line, i remember every 3 months came new line ver 1 2 and 3 ( i think i have revision 1 or 2) 3 was available but didnt sold here
you can check your temp history somehow? like C3 widget?
or real time small app (shows cpu and batt temp)
maybe you dont play heavy games?
try run antutu 3-4 times see how much score is changing each run ,mine is from 90K to 50K more annoying then overheating himself
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here are the results:
Played 10 min`s of strategy game: Cpu temp: 41c Battery temp 35c
then : 1st antutu 70.432 Cpu temp 42c Battery temp 38c
2nd antutu 62.831 Cpu temp 41 c Battery temp 38c
3rd antutu 62.148 Cpu temp 41c Battery temp 39c
anyway , your antutu score is much higher than mine in the first time (i think depends what rom, kernel do you use..) , but like u see, mine didn`t drop at 50.000 in 3 attempts .anyway my max cpu temp was 42c when i run for first time antutu,
Hope i helpt you
yup , thanks
i guess its also depend on the ROM
im using last update stock rom and kernel
ill root my device after my warranty expired
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yup , thanks
i guess its also depend on the ROM
im using last update stock rom and kernel
ill root my device after my warranty expired
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you are not on the latest antutu 6.2.1. maybe that`s the problem ...
it about the same results with the newer version ill upload later
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you are not on the latest antutu 6.2.1. maybe that`s the problem ...
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here, i did now one is 36C and other 40C (the 1st one was right after unpluged from the charger) i let it cool off, and rerun
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here, i did now one is 36C and other 40C (the 1st one was right after unpluged from the charger) i let it cool off, and rerun
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What rom and kernel do you use? Do you have xposed?
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What rom and kernel do you use?
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stock :X i did not root yet
Any S810 device will overheat, it's inherently badly designed. Sony's hardware thermal solution is probably the best any OEM have done with the S810. It's also possible that Sony has optimized under-the-hood settings to further reduce load on the SoC and keep the temperature down.
Other software tweaks are mostly just a balance game of performance and throttling threshold.
Stock Sony firmware goes the more conservative route, so usually you won't experience noticeable heat when using it lightly.
It will still get pretty hot if you use it for intensive tasks that utilizes the full capacity of the hardware, such as playing demanding games, record in 4K for a long period of time, or watch videos that need a lot of complex decoding... etc.
If you're looking for performance without "unnecessary" throttling, just avoid all S810 devices.
Personally, most of the time I had no problems with the temp and perf of my Z5C, but there has been a few cases where I did experience slowdowns due to the throttling.
Got mine from December 2015. After few weeks of usage, it really overheats a lot. After several updates through the months, Device still overheats until now, still uncomfortable to the touch when it overheats. Tried reformatting yesterday, performance seems better with less bloatware stuff and on regular usage. But when cpu is under heavy load, device heats up and performance is reduced a lot to the point that it lags. But overall, still love my Z5C~ <3
It overheats uncomfortably. I tried xpower 4.0 ROM, smarttemperaturex mod, etc although it does reduce heat but not enough to be comfortable and im not talking about heavy tasks I'm talking about Firefox browser, WhatsApp and tapatalk.
The phone is almost never room temperature when using its either warm or hot which gets annoying after some time, don't even let me mention how hot it can get with few minutes of phone calls.
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I'd say go for X Compact. Zero overheating issues. This heat actually gets on your nerves at one point. While the gpu of X Compact is inferior, in long periods of gaming there won't be any throttling on XC but Z5c will give half the performance so at the end of the day, the X Compact will feel a lot snappier
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It overheats like crazy. I'm flashing 5.1 in hope that it will help.
When running Antutu i put my phone in refrigerator so that I can get a better score! :silly:
Any new cpu is hotter than quad-core of sd800/801 bcoz it's now much faster, even sd820 gets hot during heavy loading though better than sd810.
I've flashed SmartTemperatureX v1.61(no charging bug) and found temp is acceptable and battery life improved a bit.
Hi people, just wanted to ask if anyone had the same experience of your device getting quite warm on the bottom portion where the pins are (seems warmer on the front though). I know that's where the motherboard and all the computing power is at, but it's strange that it can get warm even when all you do is browsing the web using chrome, taking a look at CPU-Z, it shows some things can get as warm as 50-55 degree Celsius, and if I'm not the only one, then is there anything that can be done about it, I mean, it probably shouldn't be like that, right?
That does seem a bit warm for web browsing, I just did a quick test on mine (4K video recording for a few mins) and CPU Z showed temperature just reaching 50C.
Under normal use it seems to range from 45-50, also warm to touch near the bottom. Mine does have a skin and battery mod on so I'd expect higher if anything, but I am using the Turbo Z kernel rather than stock so maybe unfair to compare. 55 is still safe, it seems fairly normal for this phone to reach these temperatures.
Turning off half the pixels when you don't need them may help: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=screen.dimmer.pixelfilter beyond that I'm not sure besides using a custom kernel to help.
Are you using the international variant, clocked at 1.8GHz? If it's hitting 55C web browsing on that I'd be surprised but it seems similar to mine with the Turbo Z kernel clocked at 2.15GHz.
Edit: Just noticed mine hit 60C on some thermal sensors in CPU Z after prolonged use in chrome, dropping quickly to 45C after opening CPU Z. I really wouldn't worry about the temperature, it does seem normal.
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That does seem a bit warm for web browsing, I just did a quick test on mine (4K video recording for a few mins) and CPU Z showed temperature just reaching 50C.
Under normal use it seems to range from 45-50, also warm to touch near the bottom. Mine does have a skin and battery mod on so I'd expect higher if anything, but I am using the Turbo Z kernel rather than stock so maybe unfair to compare. 55 is still safe, it seems fairly normal for this phone to reach these temperatures.
Turning off half the pixels when you don't need them may help: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=screen.dimmer.pixelfilter beyond that I'm not sure besides using a custom kernel to help.
Are you using the international variant, clocked at 1.8GHz? If it's hitting 55C web browsing on that I'd be surprised but it seems similar to mine with the Turbo Z kernel clocked at 2.15GHz.
Edit: Just noticed mine hit 60C on some thermal sensors in CPU Z after prolonged use in chrome, dropping quickly to 45C after opening CPU Z. I really wouldn't worry about the temperature, it does seem normal.
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Thank you for your reply, I have the international variant (UK), fully stock, I just wasn't sure if going for a custom kernel or a ROM (the one made by janjan seems to be the way to go) would help this or make it worse. It's strange how I would rather go for custom software made by an enthusiast instead of updating to nougat in fear of bugs, but it is what it is, huh.
Edit: is it just me, or some of these phones cameras are not in the middle of the circle that they are mounted it (dont know how to explain it better), for example my front camera sensor is shifted to the right upper part of the circle, doesn't seem to affect its performance though.
No problem I'm running stock with Turbo Z kernel at the moment to up our phone from its underclock of 1.8GHz (UK here too), set up a few profiles in kernel adiutor and I'm very impressed with performance. Agreed, I'm likely going over to N to try Daydream VR soon but so happy with this using Pixel Launcher, animated Nav Bar and G assistant etc. All very stable and smooth at the moment so it's a tough call.
Not sure about the camera thing, perhaps noticeable on my front one but depending on the angle of light hitting it it's hard to tell. Not seen any issues with it either :good: , maybe just a bit of manufacturing inconsistency.
I was just noticing last night how well mine stayed cool after prolonged use actually. I believe that even if this thing gets hot it has a great cooling sync body and dissipates quickly. JerryRigEverything's screen flame test on moto z lasted 3.5x longer without damage than almost any other phone, not this issue, but perhaps promising on heat durability.
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It sure does, mine can get warm but the second I stopped using chrome for example it cooled right down again. Durability of this phone from that video was really impressive.
Hi guys, this is something that keeps me up at night. The recent software update was supposed to make performance of the Moto Z better, and in actual daily usage I find nothing to complain about, but when it comes to benchmarks it's a whole different story, I have the uk version by the way. To be frank, I used to get about 129 000 in antutu, which is pretty low to start with, and now it's down to 126 000, geekbench is lower than you would expect from this phone too, at about 1350 single core and 3810 multicore. So basically I started this thread as a place where we could share our benchmark results and discuss them, because I have a feeling I just got an unlucky unit, because it also gets real hot real fast (up to 60 degrees celcium), and I can't make it last for more that 4 hours of screen on time, and I'm really not a heavy user. I just feel strange about this phone, because I love everything else about it, and it’s good that I do, because resale value on these things is beyond awful, tried to sell it for 500 bucks for months with no success.
Benchmarks mean abso-farking-lutly nothing. If they are keeping you up any night, you have a mental issue. I suggest you see a shrink.
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Benchmarks mean abso-farking-lutly nothing. If they are keeping you up any night, you have a mental issue. I suggest you see a shrink.
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Well, there is no reason to be so toxic my friend, my main concern is that I may be the only one here with such a low score, and since the score got even lower after some time that could mean I may have a defective device, and that would be a real problem to keep me up at night.
I don't think there's a problem with your unit, 4 hours screen on time sounds normal without the battery mod on. That drop in benchmark score isn't very significant unless it continues to drop dramatically. I have the UK model too, and it is underclocked by default to 1.8GHz. You could try the Turbo Z kernel to improve it
Also mine gets really hot fast when using Daydream VR or anything intensive but 60 °C isn't dangerous for the SD820. (You could check battery use in settings incase something is keeping your phone awake.)
Geekbench 4:
Single core 1369
Multi core 3779
Seems benchmarks are pretty similar. I'm on rooted Android N but stock kernel so same as yours.
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Well, there is no reason to be so toxic my friend, my main concern is that I may be the only one here with such a low score, and since the score got even lower after some time that could mean I may have a defective device, and that would be a real problem to keep me up at night.
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The only benchmark that matters is the one between your ears. And according to you, it passed.
in actual daily usage I find nothing to complain about
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All others are a waste of time.
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I don't think there's a problem with your unit, 4 hours screen on time sounds normal without the battery mod on. That drop in benchmark score isn't very significant unless it continues to drop dramatically. I have the UK model too, and it is underclocked by default to 1.8GHz. You could try the Turbo Z kernel to improve it
Also mine gets really hot fast when using Daydream VR or anything intensive but 60 °C isn't dangerous for the SD820. (You could check battery use in settings incase something is keeping your phone awake.)
Geekbench 4:
Single core 1369
Multi core 3779
Seems benchmarks are pretty similar. I'm on rooted Android N but stock kernel so same as yours.
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Thank you for your comforting and friendly reply, in battery settings Android OS, Android system, and phone idle are on top when I'm not using the phone actively, I've had laughable results sometimes, like yesterday I had 30 percent battery left with only about an hour of screen on time, again no gaming involved, but this usually happens when I'm moving around, if I stay at home and nothing happens to the phone it usually won't drain battery like that. I think the reason the phone gets hot easily is obviously because of how thin it is, for example, when I keep it in the pocket it's just as hot as my body tempreture, since it just absorbs heat that easily, but has a hard time getting rid of it.
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Thank you for your comforting and friendly reply, in battery settings Android OS, Android system, and phone idle are on top when I'm not using the phone actively, I've had laughable results sometimes, like yesterday I had 30 percent battery left with only about an hour of screen on time, again no gaming involved, but this usually happens when I'm moving around, if I stay at home and nothing happens to the phone it usually won't drain battery like that. I think the reason the phone gets hot easily is obviously because of how thin it is, for example, when I keep it in the pocket it's just as hot as my body tempreture, since it just absorbs heat that easily, but has a hard time getting rid of it.
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You're welcome. If you click on the graph you can see the awake time too, lately something has been keeping mine awake and draining the battery too. Not sure what it is yet, but if yours is getting really bad screen on time it could be similar. Likely an app running in the background keeping the phone awake which would heat it up more and drain the battery. There are wake lock detection apps that claim to be able to tell you which is causing this.
As you can see it's awake for long periods of time when the screen is off, and it really shouldn't be. Hope this helps :good:
Hey y'all,
Quick question to those who own the Moto Z.
1. What's your battery life and Screen on Time?
2. Do you use the battery mod?
3. Do you use a case with it?
I'm having overheating issues when using the an Incipio Bumper case + TUMI battery mod :
Device randomly freezes (requires a reboot to get out) or it doesn't wake up from sleep.
Bumper only / no Mods: no issues (except the usual terrible battery life)
Battery Mod only: thermal throttling (it lags a fair bit, occasional system shutoff)
(above happens at room temperature or air conditioned room)
There's no overheat warning either and issues persists after hard resets.
Previously there's issues of random freezes every couple few days, but I'm not too sure if it's due to heat or the device itself going bad.
Thanks.
Device: XT1650-03
Build: NPL25.86-30
My Moto Z does sometimes get hot and lag, especially when using the Tumi battery mod. Battery life is pretty bad for me but I work from home so it didn't bother me. I just use the battery mod when I'm going to be out all day.
Interestingly, the new Turbo Power mod doesn't seem to cause the same overheating issues.
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I'd recommend getting a warranty replacement from Motorola. Their service is good and will have a new device to you in a couple of days.
robnhl said:
My Moto Z does sometimes get hot and lag, especially when using the Tumi battery mod. Battery life is pretty bad for me but I work from home so it didn't bother me. I just use the battery mod when I'm going to be out all day.
Interestingly, the new Turbo Power mod doesn't seem to cause the same overheating issues.
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I'd recommend getting a warranty replacement from Motorola. Their service is good and will have a new device to you in a couple of days.
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Can you confirm that ? The TurboPower Mod I mean.
Yeah. I will probably head up to the local service center, reproduce the issue then and there
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Can you confirm that ? The TurboPower Mod I mean.
Yeah. I will probably head up to the local service center, reproduce the issue then and there
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I haven't had any issues since using the Turbo Power Mod. But I've only had it a week so the jury is still out.
I regularly use the Incipio Battery Mod and It barely heats up, no throttling whatsoever. My device rarely gets warm, even when gaming. Z's outside the US have a lower clocked 820, maybe that's why.
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Lunatiic said:
I regularly use the Incipio Battery Mod and It barely heats up, no throttling whatsoever. My device rarely gets warm, even when gaming. Z's outside the US have a lower clocked 820, maybe that's why.
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And it just so happens I got the unlocked US variant. :sweat:
Hi.
My phone heats up a lot when ambient temperature is around 30-35 deg c. While using it in the sun , phone temps go to 41-44deg c, that's the point where the phone throttles hard. It's so annoying to use it when it gets hot which is almost all the time, coz it's so slow.
Don't even need to talk about battery mod. Literally my phone stops working when it's charging with the mod. Btw I'm using mophie battery mod.
I'm planning to throw this trash away. But I invested in this ****. .
So frustrated.
I'm sure Moto says this is common and it's part of the deal.
Please someone give me a fix. If rooting and custom ROM solves it then I'm down for it. But since my phone's still in warranty period someone confirm if there's any ROM which solves this. .
Thanks in advance.
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Hi.
My phone heats up a lot when ambient temperature is around 30-35 deg c. While using it in the sun , phone temps go to 41-44deg c, that's the point where the phone throttles hard. It's so annoying to use it when it gets hot which is almost all the time, coz it's so slow.
Don't even need to talk about battery mod. Literally my phone stops working when it's charging with the mod. Btw I'm using mophie battery mod.
I'm planning to throw this trash away. But I invested in this ****. .
So frustrated.
I'm sure Moto says this is common and it's part of the deal.
Please someone give me a fix. If rooting and custom ROM solves it then I'm down for it. But since my phone's still in warranty period someone confirm if there's any ROM which solves this. .
Thanks in advance.
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Hey Sanjay,
I updated to this firmware: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-z/how-to/how-to-update-to-official-7-1-1-moto-z-t3640298
And it solves like 90% of my issues listed above.
My Z sometimes gets warm when using Chrome, but that seems to be a Chrome-specific issue (already had this with my OnePlus Two, which, however, got HOT, not just warm ...) Apart from that, I can say that I'm very happy with my Z which I find to run consistently stable (not using any mods.) I usually get SOT of 3-4 hrs and have to charge every 1.5 days. I'm not an overly heavy user, though, and rarely play games.
Oh, and I'm using the European version, so if it's true that the US version clocks higher, this might explain why my phone never gets really hot (and also doesn't need to throttle aggressively even under high load.)
I have experienced sudden freezing frequently on my Moto Z Nougat 7.0 and still persisted on 7.1.1 - If i put the device down and returned in 10-15mins, it would be back to normal. Other times when I became more frustrated I would turn off, clear cache & reboot. This problem happens between one and two times a day. The battery life and projections are slaughtered upon rebooting from freezes. Safe mode doesn't exhibit the same problems at all so it is probably an app.
Color me SOL.
My Moto Z has been exhibiting a similar issue. It would heat up very easily on even mundane tasks, thermal throttle HARD and stay there until I leave it to cool off before very easily doing do again, at which the phone is already past the point of being uncomfortable to hold. It gets worse still with the Mophie Motomod.
I had to use a custom kernel and deliberately put the CPU in a state that causes it to be slower than a SD400 in order to even get acceptable temperatures.
I can’t do any OTA updates because my particular device would constantly brick every time it would apply an update. It has done this twice already and requires constant reflashing. As such, that guide isn’t of any help for me.
And since Motorola support wouldn’t help me as I didn’t get the phone from the country where I’m living now, I’m SOL. I might just get the Galaxy Note8 and be done with it, especially after receiving 2 electrical shocks from it (although to be fair, that may be more of a result of a bad USB-C cable, but still scary nonetheless).
Aside from the aforementioned shock (more to blame with the cable but the metal design did not help either), it’s been issue after issue since the beginning of this year, and since Motorola refuses to help due to an internal company policy, I’m forced to consider cutting losses and switching back to the Note. Really unhappy with this.