Had made the same thread in the S8+ forums when I had that phone, however I upgraded to the N8 and have made the same thread here since it helped a lot of people in the S8 forum.
Full list of available Note 8 variants with all supported bands and storage options:
Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Variants List
List of all CSCs included in the OXM CSC:
Samsung Multi-CSC OXM
Suggestions are welcome, and as I've pointed out, if you've spotted any errors, issues or inconsistencies within the document, you can drop me a PM here and I'll fix it.
Cheers,
murtaza02
murtaza02 said:
Had made the same thread in the S8+ forums when I had that phone, however I upgraded to the N8 and have made the same thread here since it helped a lot of people in the S8 forum.
Full list of available Note 8 variants with all supported bands and storage options:
Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Variants List
List of all CSCs included in the OXM CSC:
Samsung Multi-CSC OXM
Suggestions are welcome, and as I've pointed out, if you've spotted any errors, issues or inconsistencies within the document, you can drop me a PM here and I'll fix it.
Cheers,
murtaza02
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Why starting this thread, while the OXM-info is already here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73879369&postcount=3
Your document could also be implemented in that message (you just had to ask!)...
henklbr said:
Why starting this thread, while the OXM-info is already here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73879369&postcount=3
Your document could also be implemented in that message (you just had to ask!)...
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The document I linked shows what each CSC actually stands for.
You can link it in the first post if you want.
murtaza02 said:
Had made the same thread in the S8+ forums when I had that phone, however I upgraded to the N8 and have made the same thread here since it helped a lot of people in the S8 forum.
Full list of available Note 8 variants with all supported bands and storage options:
Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Variants List
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This is brilliant. Thanks! Have been trying to find a complete, intelligible list for a few days now. Should have started at XDA of course ...
Small correction: XEH stands for Hungarian unlocked only, Vodafone, Telenor and T-Mobile all have their own CSC codes (VDH, PAN and TMH, respectively - PAN because Telenor used to be Pannon GSM Hungary).
Am i correct that in the US, the carrier variants and even the unlocked version are all identical hardware with the same bands supported and it's just the software is different?
Almighty1 said:
Am i correct that in the US, the carrier variants and even the unlocked version are all identical hardware with the same bands supported and it's just the software is different?
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Yes you are correct.
There's a carrier switching guide in the forums as well.
Sent from my G8142
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Yes you are correct.
There's a carrier switching guide in the forums as well.
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Yeah, I saw the carrier switching guide. I was just confused as someone mentioned that the hardware was all the same so the band support is the same except the carrier might have their own bloatware but the page below seems to indicate that the unlocked US and US Carriers is different when it came to band support. Can I get the Verizon version and have all the bands enabled or do I have to get the unlocked US version?
https://www.techwalls.com/samsung-galaxy-note-8-sm-n950-model-number-differences/
Almighty1 said:
Yeah, I saw the carrier switching guide. I was just confused as someone mentioned that the hardware was all the same so the band support is the same except the carrier might have their own bloatware but the page below seems to indicate that the unlocked US and US Carriers is different when it came to band support. Can I get the Verizon version and have all the bands enabled or do I have to get the unlocked US version?
https://www.techwalls.com/samsung-galaxy-note-8-sm-n950-model-number-differences/
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That article is a steaming pile of BS.
The US variants all support the same bands.
murtaza02 said:
That article is a steaming pile of BS.
The US variants all support the same bands.
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Thanks, just wanted to make sure that I get the right one so when I travel outside the U.S., it will support everything. Am I correct that the only difference might be some may have bootloaders that won't be unlocked while others might when it came to carrier variants?
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Thanks, just wanted to make sure that I get the right one so when I travel outside the U.S., it will support everything. Am I correct that the only difference might be some may have bootloaders that won't be unlocked while others might when it came to carrier variants?
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Well actually, Samsung locked everyone out so it doesn't really matter which variant you have, both the N950U (carrier variants) and N950U1 (unlocked variants) have locked bootloaders.
All of them should work fine outside the US when roaming, wouldn't really recommend it if you live outside the US though.
Yeah, I meant I thought some bootloaders would become unlocked later, I just know the Verizon one never seems to get unlocked compared to T-Mobile for example even with other brands of phones. If I had a choice, I would get the 128GB model which is available outside the U.S. except I don't know if it supports all the U.S. bands. Just wished Samsung was like Apple when it came to band support like the unlocked SIM free which seems to have support for all bands except for Japan when it came to 4G LTE as without the proper support, it will roam but be in 3G for data instead of 4G. With that said, just looked at the chart you provided and it seems like the SM-N9500 would be ideal for the 128GB or 256GB internal storage except it is missing the following bands which is on the US models:
3G (UMTS/HSPA): 1700
4G (LTE): B13, B17, B18, B29, B30, B66, B252, B255
So it seems it is actually the US model that has more band support while the China model has more internal storage.
Almighty1 said:
Yeah, I meant I thought some bootloaders would become unlocked later, I just know the Verizon one never seems to get unlocked compared to T-Mobile for example even with other brands of phones. If I had a choice, I would get the 128GB model which is available outside the U.S. except I don't know if it supports all the U.S. bands. Just wished Samsung was like Apple when it came to band support like the unlocked SIM free which seems to have support for all bands except for Japan when it came to 4G LTE as without the proper support, it will roam but be in 3G for data instead of 4G. With that said, just looked at the chart you provided and it seems like the SM-N9500 would be ideal for the 128GB or 256GB internal storage except it is missing the following bands which is on the US models:
3G (UMTS/HSPA): 1700
4G (LTE): B13, B17, B18, B29, B30, B66, B252, B255
So it seems it is actually the US model that has more band support while the China model has more internal storage.
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That is correct. Chinese variant and Korean variants have the most storage options while the rest of the world is left with 64GB only.
Sent from my G8142
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Hey,
A friend that's down from the UK wanted to buy a phone here in the US, but I was wondering: will the international version (or the tmobile version) work fine there? His carrier is specifically Orange. I couldn't find specific information on what frequencies they use, so I thought it'd be better to ask. Thanks
If it's International it will work
kennypu said:
Hey,
A friend that's down from the UK wanted to buy a phone here in the US, but I was wondering: will the international version (or the tmobile version) work fine there? His carrier is specifically Orange. I couldn't find specific information on what frequencies they use, so I thought it'd be better to ask. Thanks
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Your title says "can I use the international version in the UK?", but your question seems to ask "can I use the international version in the US?"
The answer to both questions is yes.
I have the international version (i9100), and live in the US and have been using it on AT&T for quite some time.
It can also work on T-Mobile USA's network, but will only get Edge data speeds on that network due to T-Mobile USA using the AWS band for high speed mobile data. (the AWS band requires a band the i9100 doesn't receive)
Edit to add: I just re-read the line that says "A friend that's down from the UK wanted to buy a phone here in the US, but I was wondering: will the international version (or the tmobile version) work fine there?"... Does this mean he wants to buy a T-Mobile USA phone and try to take it back to Europe? I don't think I'd recommend that for the reason I cited above for why the i9100 doesn't work for high speed data on T-Mobile USA's network. T-Mobile USA's Galaxy S II variant is the SGH-T989, which is a totally different phone, that works on different frequencies. So I guess; can you ask your question a bit more clearly?
ctomgee said:
Your title says "can I use the international version in the UK?", but your question seems to ask "can I use the international version in the US?"
The answer to both questions is yes.
I have the international version (i9100), and live in the US and have been using it on AT&T for quite some time.
It can also work on T-Mobile USA's network, but will only get Edge data speeds on that network due to T-Mobile USA using the AWS band for high speed mobile data. (the AWS band requires a band the i9100 doesn't receive)
Edit to add: I just re-read the line that says "A friend that's down from the UK wanted to buy a phone here in the US, but I was wondering: will the international version (or the tmobile version) work fine there?"... Does this mean he wants to buy a T-Mobile USA phone and try to take it back to Europe? I don't think I'd recommend that for the reason I cited above for why the i9100 doesn't work for high speed data on T-Mobile USA's network. T-Mobile USA's Galaxy S II variant is the SGH-T989, which is a totally different phone, that works on different frequencies. So I guess; can you ask your question a bit more clearly?
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sorry for the confusion, but yes your edit is correct: a friend wants to buy a phone here, and take it back to the UK for use.
kennypu said:
sorry for the confusion, but yes your edit is correct: a friend wants to buy a phone here, and take it back to the UK for use.
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Hmm. Again, I wouldn't recommend it. From what I know, GSM carriers in the US tend to favor different frequencies (850/1900 on AT&T, 1700/2100 on T-mobile) than GSM carriers in Europe. (GSM 900/1800)
Some phones have enough band cross-over that they can be bought and used on the network he wants, but without doing extensive research into whatever model phone he is interested in, and also what band frequencies his carrier specifically uses, it would be a guessing game.
For example, I did about 2 weeks worth of heavy research before I bought an unlocked I9100 to use in the US on AT&T's network.
I've seen plenty of people buy the same phone to use on T-mobile USA, only to find out they can only get Edge data speed, and wonder why.
ctomgee said:
Hmm. Again, I wouldn't recommend it. From what I know, GSM carriers in the US tend to favor different frequencies (850/1900 on AT&T, 1700/2100 on T-mobile) than GSM carriers in Europe. (GSM 900/1800)
Some phones have enough band cross-over that they can be bought and used on the network he wants, but without doing extensive research into whatever model phone he is interested in, and also what band frequencies his carrier specifically uses, it would be a guessing game.
For example, I did about 2 weeks worth of heavy research before I bought an unlocked I9100 to use in the US on AT&T's network.
I've seen plenty of people buy the same phone to use on T-mobile USA, only to find out they can only get Edge data speed, and wonder why.
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ironically, I did exactly did what you mentioned (tmo + international version). From what I gathered, It looks like europe does support GT-i9100, just the P varient, which seem to have the same exact hardware + NFC. So I think I can safely assume it will work, but I would rather get an answer from someone with more knowledge.
kennypu said:
ironically, I did exactly did what you mentioned (tmo + international version). From what I gathered, It looks like europe does support GT-i9100, just the P varient, which seem to have the same exact hardware + NFC. So I think I can safely assume it will work, but I would rather get an answer from someone with more knowledge.
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Um... I don't think you get it.
The I9100 is sold pretty much everywhere BUT the US. It's sold in the UK, in fact. Mine came from the UK.
The only difference between the I9100 and the I9100P is the I9100P has NFC hardware built into it, and the I9100 does not. Otherwise, the I9100 and I9100P operate on the same frequencies.
The US variants of the Galaxy S II are completely different hardware.
The AT&T variant is the SGH-I777.
The T-Mobile USA variant is the SGH-T989.
The Sprint variant is the SPH-D710.
The US Cellular variant is the SCH-R760.
(those last two are CDMA variants, and may not even work in Europe)
You can see nearly all the variants on the wikipedia page.
so it's safe to assume it will work, got it. thank you very much.
kennypu said:
so it's safe to assume it will work, got it. thank you very much.
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Well, if he buys an i9100, yes.
If he buys any of the US variants, not so much.
I purchased a SM9650 that I can't seem to figure out if it's config correctly for Verizon. I put my sim card in and it seems to be working correctly but when I put the IMEI in verizon's database it shows as not compatible. what bands does Verizon use. when I load the one menu it's connected on band 4 20mhz. just trying to get some info on this phone. I thought I was getting the SM-965U
stark21 said:
I purchased a SM9650 that I can't seem to figure out if it's config correctly for Verizon. I put my sim card in and it seems to be working correctly but when I put the IMEI in verizon's database it shows as not compatible. what bands does Verizon use. when I load the one menu it's connected on band 4 20mhz. just trying to get some info on this phone. I thought I was getting the SM-965U
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3G : 850 MHz, Band 0 (CDMA). 1900 MHz PCS, Band 1 (CDMA).
4G : 700 MHz Block C, Band 13 (LTE). 1900 MHz PCS, Band 1 (1xRTT/ EV-DO/ eHRPD). 1900 MHz PCS, Band 2 (LTE). 1700/ 2100 MHz AWS, Band 4 (LTE).
Verizon is also testing new LTE equipment in AWS-3 Band 66.
I'm betting you bought the Exynos variant. If possible switch to T-Mobile, they support Exynos equipped devices.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s9/help/exynos-s9-verizon-s-t3798174
is there a hidden menu to find out the processor that's in this version. going by the spec of model number it's the snapdragon but not 100 percent sure. also I can call and use data so far on verizon so I guess it's working. it has been going between band 2 and band 4 when I look at the one service menu.
stark21 said:
is there a hidden menu to find out the processor that's in this version. going by the spec of model number it's the snapdragon but not 100 percent sure. also I can call and use data so far on verizon so I guess it's working. it has been going between band 2 and band 4 when I look at the one service menu.
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Install the PhoneINFO app, run the app and check Hardware- Platform/Chip.
it's showing SDM845 as cpu and Qualcomm Adreno 630 as gpu
stark21 said:
it's showing SDM845 as cpu and Qualcomm Adreno 630 as gpu
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My bad, SM-G965F is the Exynos variant. You're phone works on Verizon as you've shared however if you need VoLTE or Wifi Calling it's not compatible.. Lots of discussion here as to the differences between Exynos and Snapdragon variants. Nice thing about your device is the bootloader is unlocked meaning you have the ability to install custom ROM's, something the US Snapdragon variants don't have.
ok thanks, I will have to read up on this particular phone to see what it's capable of doing.
stark21 said:
ok thanks, I will have to read up on this particular phone to see what it's capable of doing.
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What's the CSC Code on your device?
under phone info it shows active csc TTT
stark21 said:
under phone info it shows active csc TTT
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CSC - Trinidad Tobago
Great phone! If you just got it you may want to see if you have the latest software and security update. Open Settings, search Update then Download updates manually while connected to wifi.
says phone is up to date when I do the update software. out of curiosity what makes this a great phone in your opinion.
stark21 said:
says phone is up to date when I do the update software. out of curiosity what makes this a great phone in your opinion.
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Well, it's a Galaxy S9 Plus, arguably the best smartphone money can buy and the SM-G9650 is the top of the line. I've had mine (SM-G9650 - Snapdragon - Hong Kong) since it debuted in March and the upgrades over the S8+ are more significant than spec comparisons between the two models would indicate. It runs smoother and faster than my previous S8+ by far. IMHO you're fortunate you bought the International variant over the US device since you can flash the software and customize it's functions to your personal liking. Opinions vary between the Exynos and Snapdragon chipsets but based on what's been shared the Exynos equipped devices have more bugs, they're prone to overheating and they're gaming speeds lag behind Snapdragon chips. Also others running Exynos chips have had problems with Verizon connectivity and Samsung Pay. Not sure if this is your first Galaxy Smartphone but I'm guessing you're going to really like your device.
I have had other Galaxy phones but this is first one that is international version so will be learning what I can do with it.
Have a look at the spec shared in this thread
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...-difference-s9-dual-duos-vs-s9-t3774559/page2
varcor said:
My bad, SM-G965F is the Exynos variant. You're phone works on Verizon as you've shared however if you need VoLTE or Wifi Calling it's not compatible.. Lots of discussion here as to the differences between Exynos and Snapdragon variants. Nice thing about your device is the bootloader is unlocked meaning you have the ability to install custom ROM's, something the US Snapdragon variants don't have.
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This is false. I am writing this in my SM-G9650 and it is currently on Verizon with volte working just fine. I don't think vowifi works as it needs special software but volte works just fine. It's not apparent as there is none of the VZW custom software that indicates it but I have full internet access while on the phone and if you dig into the low level network connection status stuff it clearly states that I have a volte connection.
stark21 said:
ok thanks, I will have to read up on this particular phone to see what it's capable of doing.
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You need to use a specific multi csc variant to get everything working correctly. The variant I've been using is the one for CHL or PGU. They both install the OWA CSC which is the one you want.
If you are feeling braver, download a vzw 965U firmware and flash only the CSC with the rest of the 9650 firmware. The 9650 firmware will work with the 965u CSC, and will definitely make sure everything works and is named correctly
ok I will take a look at what you mentioned.
partcyborg said:
This is false. I am writing this in my SM-G9650 and it is currently on Verizon with volte working just fine. I don't think vowifi works as it needs special software but volte works just fine. It's not apparent as there is none of the VZW custom software that indicates it but I have full internet access while on the phone and if you dig into the low level network connection status stuff it clearly states that I have a volte connection.
You need to use a specific multi csc variant to get everything working correctly. The variant I've been using is the one for CHL or PGU. They both install the OWA CSC which is the one you want.
If you are feeling braver, download a vzw 965U firmware and flash only the CSC with the rest of the 9650 firmware. The 9650 firmware will work with the 965u CSC, and will definitely make sure everything works and is named correctly
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Hi,
I would like to buy this device which has become unavailable in Europe. So I should get an unlocked US version (AT&T, Verizon, T-mobile), I just have no idea what LTE bands they have, nor how it works for updates for these variants.
Thanks to anyone who wants to help this noob
4ngl09669 said:
Hi,
I would like to buy this device which has become unavailable in Europe. So I should get an unlocked US version (AT&T, Verizon, T-mobile), I just have no idea what LTE bands they have, nor how it works for updates for these variants.
Thanks to anyone who wants to help this noob
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Check out this link:. https://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=6216
I would imagine your would get updates on the schedule of the service provider that it originally was sold from. Updates from providers are usually behind factory unlocked versions. I would see if I could find one that was an international unlocked version.
scienceguylabs said:
Check out this link:. https://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=6216
I would imagine your would get updates on the schedule of the service provider that it originally was sold from. Updates from providers are usually behind factory unlocked versions. I would see if I could find one that was an international unlocked version.
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THX!
The version most similar to the international version is the Canadian, precisely Lmv600tm2x (from what I understand)
4ngl09669 said:
THX!
The version most similar to the international version is the Canadian, precisely Lmv600tm2x (from what I understand)
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It doesn't look like LG released an international model of the phone. I found a few on eBay that started they were unlocked and would work internationally though.
scienceguylabs said:
It doesn't look like LG released an international model of the phone. I found a few on eBay that started they were unlocked and would work internationally though.
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Yes, in fact he did not release them, unfortunately. They are all connected to some telephone operator ... However, the Canadian model has almost all global bands, which (it seems) the US models do not have.
Hey guys when i go to Sony website and look up bootloader unlock instructions. it says the US variant is locked by verizon.
this is the version i have. Does that mean i cannot unlock bootloader? do i need to return my phone and the global version? The guides posted on here don't seem to mention the model number as if it matters.
Unlock Bootloader - Open Devices - Sony Developer World
developer.sony.com
Unless anything has changed, it is generally known that Verizon phones have a locked bootloader for customer security and in Verizon's interest.
ze7zez said:
Unless anything has changed, it is generally known that Verizon phones have a locked bootloader for customer security and in Verizon's interest.
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Yea I am a first time sony buyer. the phone i have is actually the 5 IV which we don't have a forum for yet.
I usually am buying older phones with established guides and hacks to unlock on here. So i simply missed this since i didn't see it plastered everywhere on the front page of the some other sony forums. my bad.
I am not surprised. just ordered the wrong one thinking it didn't matter for the sony brand.
returning mine now. and ordering the 72.
thud1 said:
Yea I am a first time sony buyer. the phone i have is actually the 5 IV which we don't have a forum for yet.
I usually am buying older phones with established guides and hacks to unlock on here. So i simply missed this since i didn't see it plastered everywhere on the front page of the some other sony forums. my bad.
I am not surprised. just ordered the wrong one thinking it didn't matter for the sony brand.
returning mine now. and ordering the 72.
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It's the same reason I returned US version and bought international version ct72 . So make sure about bands supports for 71 it has 66 which is TMobile and band 41 which i get some good speed depending on the location I'm in.
same here I wanted to root and Use Repainter app and change fonts and I did have the CT62, but I return it back to Sony and bought the CT72, sad that sony doesn`t allow the bootloader to be unlocked on the CT62.
2015Ducatimulti said:
same here I wanted to root and Use Repainter app and change fonts and I did have the CT62, but I return it back to Sony and bought the CT72, sad that sony doesn`t allow the bootloader to be unlocked on the CT62.
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Right i thought they allowed bootloader unlocked on any Xperia really sucks that they didn't allowed it on US specially if I'm paying 1600+ on it lol
raven213 said:
Right i thought they allowed bootloader unlocked on any Xperia really sucks that they didn't allowed it on US specially if I'm paying 1600+ on it lol
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my exact thoughts, 1600.00, no thanks, buy the CT72 and save some money, only thing is you don`t get the USA warranty when you buy the Non-US version, and some missing 5G band`s and the missing MMWave bands
As @2015Ducatimulti mentioned, there is something missing there between the two version.
There is Hardware differences between CT72 and CT62. The US version supports has mmW support and also more bands that are available in the US such as band 2, 66, and 71 used by TMO in addition to mmW 260 and 261.
if your carrier does not have use of these bands and mmW frequencies, then the CT72 should still work as long as you flash the US version ROM. otherwise, you will have coverage issues due and high call drops due to the limited US band support
hnt20 said:
As @2015Ducatimulti mentioned, there is something missing there between the two version.
There is Hardware differences between CT72 and CT62. The US version supports has mmW support and also more bands that are available in the US such as band 2, 66, and 71 used by TMO in addition to mmW 260 and 261.
if your carrier does not have use of these bands and mmW frequencies, then the CT72 should still work as long as you flash the US version ROM. otherwise, you will have coverage issues due and high call drops due to the limited US band support
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Flashing US ROM on ct72 will give you signal issues. So far i haven't found a way to get signal working on it.
That might make sense since the RF hardware is different between them and hence the software might not work as expected
FWIW, I just got the Xperia 1 IV, CT-72, using it on AT&T (primary subscriber, no MVNO). Just using the stock ROM, didn't flash any other ROMS.
So far I appear to have 5G as well as VoLTE. No VoWIFI, but I don't care about that anyway.
I'll use it for another week or so to see if AT&T decides to shutdown service for a non whitelisted device, but so far so good. And it was $840 new, vs $1600 for the USA version, so a HUGE cost difference
I by the way did first have to do the trick where you disable dual-sim and only use the primary SIM slot.
Sakete said:
FWIW, I just got the Xperia 1 IV, CT-72, using it on AT&T (primary subscriber, no MVNO). Just using the stock ROM, didn't flash any other ROMS.
So far I appear to have 5G as well as VoLTE. No VoWIFI, but I don't care about that anyway.
I'll use it for another week or so to see if AT&T decides to shutdown service for a non whitelisted device, but so far so good. And it was $840 new, vs $1600 for the USA version, so a HUGE cost difference
I by the way did first have to do the trick where you disable dual-sim and only use the primary SIM slot.
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Is your CT-72 still working on AT&T?
tonysunshine said:
Is your CT-72 still working on AT&T?
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Mine is still going fine on Att elite
David.k20z1 said:
Mine is still going fine on Att elite
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XQ-CT72 No go on Cricket. Data works fine but no calls.
Does anyone have an authoritative link or source for the different S23 ultra regional model variants and their respective bandwidth frequencies such as for 4g and 5g?
Can't find this information for any including the USA variant eg which specific frequencies of 4g and 5g does the USA model support?
The chipset and x70 modem makes it possible for this phone to truly be a global phone but.....
asking the same as well, cant find these details.
Here's hoping that the band unlock methods for the s22's and s21's also work on the s23's.
jcsww said:
Here's hoping that the band unlock methods for the s22's and s21's also work on the s23's.
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I'm sure it will be the same to unlock the bands, no one will really know until they have one in hand.
Can you elaborate on these band unlock methods?
And could they unlock mmwave for example on the international variants so that 5g could work in US? And unlock international bands on US version so it could work everywhere else?
evangelionpunk said:
Can you elaborate on these band unlock methods?
And could they unlock mmwave for example on the international variants so that 5g could work in US? And unlock international bands on US version so it could work everywhere else?
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This is the thread you probably want to have a look at. This method also worked for the s21's.
How to Enable All Bands Through Service Menu on US/CA S22 series (including Sub-6 and mmWave)
What is this? This is a guide on how to enable all LTE and 5G bands on the US or Canadian S22 series phones by going through the service menu. This guide is mostly based on this S20U guide by mellojosh, but has been adapted for the S22U phone...
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jcsww said:
This is the thread you probably want to have a look at. This method also worked for the s21's.
How to Enable All Bands Through Service Menu on US/CA S22 series (including Sub-6 and mmWave)
What is this? This is a guide on how to enable all LTE and 5G bands on the US or Canadian S22 series phones by going through the service menu. This guide is mostly based on this S20U guide by mellojosh, but has been adapted for the S22U phone...
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Interesting....
So basically you could enter the service menu and turn on all the extra bands?
In that case wouldn't the US version be the best one to have since it would have mmwave hardware baked in too? It should then work everywhere.
Though it sounds like you'll lose the function on os updates and resets?
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Interesting....
So basically you could enter the service menu and turn on all the extra bands?
In that case wouldn't the US version be the best one to have since it would have mmwave hardware baked in too? It should then work everywhere.
Though it sounds like you'll lose the function on os updates and resets?
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OS updates from Samsung are never fast. Doing so once every 2 to 3 months isn't so bad for the extra band support.
Samsung's modem software works well for the US and Canada because the hardware is the same and only the modem software separates the bands based on carrier/region. Due to the wide spread of mess across North America, US and Canadian models are always a good choice for potential band support. In some cases though, mixed ROM's can also bridge the support. In the S9 days, you could.jeep.the base.for.your region but flash the carrier side of the firmware to unlock band 71 on some overseas models. I don't know if this is still possible today but with all devices being very similar. I am hoping the hardware, including dual-SIM pins on the main board, will be there to enable through a firmware change or mod.
Do we know if the international dual sim variant has the same USA hardware based on s22/21/20?
Does it have mmwave baked in but just disabled by software?
I am still not clear what 5G bands are supported on the SM-S918BZKPEUB, nor if unlocking the bands through the service menu works. @UK S23, your deliveries are in place already, has anyone tried?
It seems as though the bands might only be disabled in software? If so, then it should be possible to enable whatever band you need. The only exception would be if a hardware component is needed or missing then it wouldn't be possible which likely wouldn't be the case for your 3g, 4g and 5g standard range. Maybe only 5g mmwave which is essentially only in US anyway.
If that's the case it sounds like US variant might be the best to get for global coverage barring lack of dual sim (though it does have physical+esim).
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It seems as though the bands might only be disabled in software? If so, then it should be possible to enable whatever band you need. The only exception would be if a hardware component is needed or missing then it wouldn't be possible which likely wouldn't be the case for your 3g, 4g and 5g standard range. Maybe only 5g mmwave which is essentially only in US anyway.
If that's the case it sounds like US variant might be the best to get for global coverage barring lack of dual sim (though it does have physical+esim).
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Samsung's band support is mostly software, at least when it comes to 4G and 5G. I have never bothered to change 2G and 3G bands because there is no use for them unless you are in a very rural area or roaming. This is why it is so easy to convert the North American models and why in the days of the S9+, you could get band 71 on international models with dual-SIM.
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Samsung's band support is mostly software, at least when it comes to 4G and 5G. I have never bothered to change 2G and 3G bands because there is no use for them unless you are in a very rural area or roaming. This is why it is so easy to convert the North American models and why in the days of the S9+, you could get band 71 on international models with dual-SIM.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but you can't get mmwave bands on the international dual sim models right?
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Correct me if I'm wrong but you can't get mmwave bands on the international dual sim models right?
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I'm not sure when it comes to mmWave. You can enable it on the W for Canada even though the cell coverage and technologies used up there are probably never going to deploy it. Overseas, I have no idea.
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I'm not sure when it comes to mmWave. You can enable it on the W for Canada even though the cell coverage and technologies used up there are probably never going to deploy it. Overseas, I have no idea.
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I've read that the US and CA models are basically identical so that might explain it. It's also possible I suppose that in s23 since it uses x70 modem, which has native support built in, that all model variants might be able to do it but for software. Though we won't know for sure till someone from different region goes into their service menu and checks.
mmWave requires a specific antenna to function. This antenna used to cost like $50 but I'd be surprised if it's gone down much beyond $30 so manufacturers will still leave it out if it's not necessary.
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mmWave requires a specific antenna to function. This antenna used to cost like $50 but I'd be surprised if it's gone down much beyond $30 so manufacturers will still leave it out if it's not necessary.
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Thanks and that probably means it likely won't be in other region variants.
Personally, I'd just make a single phone that is globally universal and can be used everywhere. The massive scale should drop the component pricing considerably. Carrier exclusives and market restrictions if any needed in software only. But that's just me lol.
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Thanks and that probably means it likely won't be in other region variants.
Personally, I'd just make a single phone that is globally universal and can be used everywhere. The massive scale should drop the component pricing considerably. Carrier exclusives and market restrictions if any needed in software only. But that's just me lol.
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Yes, you would think they would do this, but Samsung has always customized difference models for different regions so it must not be that straightforward. I believe that regulatory bodies would require them to test and submit all the documentation for that extra antenna, for example. It also wouldn't surprise me if the mmWave equipment is outright banned in some regions either for whatever reason.
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Yes, you would think they would do this, but Samsung has always customized difference models for different regions so it must not be that straightforward. I believe that regulatory bodies would require them to test and submit all the documentation for that extra antenna, for example. It also wouldn't surprise me if the mmWave equipment is outright banned in some regions either for whatever reason.
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Yeah.
Are iphones globally all exactly the same now?
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Yeah.
Are iphones globally all exactly the same now?
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No. There are 5 different models of iPhone 14 Pro Max, for example, and each will have different band configurations.
That said, the NA models have the most complete bands of any device released so far this year and it was released last year with an older modem. They even have support for Dish Network's n70, a band exclusive to them worldwide, something Samsung didn't even choose to support on their NA variant this year despite having a contract with Dish for radio equipment supporting that band.
I actually think the NA iPhone 14 Pro models support every commercially available band worldwide but I don't really keep up on bands not used in the US.
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