Hi guys. I am thinking about V30, but want to find out what the storage speed is. I use AndroBench app from Play Store and run "Micro" test only. This shows me MB/s of the storage. As far as I know, the 500+MB is for UFS 2.0, 700+MB is UFS 2.1
Could any of you that have the device, ran the benchmark and tell me if the storage is USF 2.0 or 2.1
Here you go. Not fully getting what you want but here results
Charkatak said:
Hi guys. I am thinking about V30, but want to find out what the storage speed is. I use AndroBench app from Play Store and run "Micro" test only. This shows me MB/s of the storage. As far as I know, the 500+MB is for UFS 2.0, 700+MB is UFS 2.1
Could any of you that have the device, ran the benchmark and tell me if the storage is USF 2.0 or 2.1
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As written Here UFS 2.0 has maximum speed close to 500MB/s, UFS2.1 has it close to 800MB/s.
In that thread there are also some terminal commands to find serial number of internal memory in order to establish if is UFS 2.0 or not (just google the number)
lg3FTW said:
Here you go. Not fully getting what you want but here results
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Interesting... For example I ran LG G5 test and it showed the reading speed as 418MB or so and the other #s I don't remember.
Killua96 said:
As written Here UFS 2.0 has maximum speed close to 500MB/s, UFS2.1 has it close to 800MB/s.
In that thread there are also some terminal commands to find serial number of internal memory in order to establish if is UFS 2.0 or not (just google the number)
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Right. I have seen this or similar thread when I bought my Galaxy S8 in the summer. Now since V30 is out, I just wanted to see if the speeds of storage are fast or not. I also had HTC U11 as well and reading speed was 760MB or more, don't remember exactly. U11 was much faster when installing and updating apps, it was twice as fast than my S8.
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Could you run these? Or some of them?
Both the LG V30 and V30+ have Toshiba UFS 2.1 (THGAF4G9N4LBAIRB) internal storage
LG's press release:
http://www.lgnewsroom.com/2017/08/l...ier-with-premium-cinematography-capabilities/
Memory:
V30: 4GB LPDDR4x RAM / 64GB UFS 2.1 ROM / MicroSD (up to 2TB)
V30+: 4GB LPDDR4x RAM / 128GB UFS 2.1 ROM / MicroSD (up to 2TB)
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Other sites even give the manufacturer and component number:
https://www.androidheadlines.com/2017/10/lg-v30-review-ultimate-creativity-tool.html
Inside is a Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 chipset with Adreno 540 GPU, 4GB of LPDDR4X ram and either 64GB or 128GB of Toshiba UFS 2.1 (THGAF4G9N4LBAIRB) internal storage, all with microSD card support for expandable storage.
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This 6-inch display features a Quad-HD+ (1440 x 2880, 538 PPI) resolution 18:9 panel with nearly zero bezels all around, and is covered in Gorilla Glass 5. It’s also both Dolby Vision and HDR10 compliant. Inside is a Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 chipset with Adreno 540 GPU, 4GB of LPDDR4X ram and either 64GB or 128GB of Toshiba UFS 2.1 (THGAF4G9N4LBAIRB) internal storage, all with microSD card support for expandable storage.
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As it’s pushing the same resolution screen as the G6 with a processor and GPU boost, it’s pretty obvious why the phone feels so blazing fast all the time. Combine this with Toshiba UFS 2.1 (THGAF4G9N4LBAIRB) storage and you’ll quickly understand that LG has outfitted the V30 with the highest end components available right now.
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Even the Toshiba UFS 2.1 storage inside is a perfect match for Samsung’s best UFS 2.1 storage, which is used in most flagships now, and averages out just as fast as those chips. See the results of the benchmark suite we run for each phone, including 3DMark Slingshot, GeekBench 4, AnTuTu V6 and Futuremark’s PCMark internal storage test.
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https://www.anandtech.com/show/11789/hands-on-with-the-lg-v30
Under the hood, the V30 is powered by Qualcomm's Snapdragon 835, with LG using a heatpipe to assist in cooling. This is paired with 4 GB of LPDDR4X, and either 64GB or 128GB of UFS 2.1 storage.
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ChazzMatt said:
Both the LG V30 and V30+ have Toshiba UFS 2.1 (THGAF4G9N4LBAIRB) internal storage
LG's press release:
http://www.lgnewsroom.com/2017/08/l...ier-with-premium-cinematography-capabilities/
Other sites even give the manufacturer and component number:
https://www.androidheadlines.com/2017/10/lg-v30-review-ultimate-creativity-tool.html
This 6-inch display features a Quad-HD+ (1440 x 2880, 538 PPI) resolution 18:9 panel with nearly zero bezels all around, and is covered in Gorilla Glass 5. It’s also both Dolby Vision and HDR10 compliant. Inside is a Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 chipset with Adreno 540 GPU, 4GB of LPDDR4X ram and either 64GB or 128GB of Toshiba UFS 2.1 (THGAF4G9N4LBAIRB) internal storage, all with microSD card support for expandable storage.
As it’s pushing the same resolution screen as the G6 with a processor and GPU boost, it’s pretty obvious why the phone feels so blazing fast all the time. Combine this with Toshiba UFS 2.1 (THGAF4G9N4LBAIRB) storage and you’ll quickly understand that LG has outfitted the V30 with the highest end components available right now.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/11789/hands-on-with-the-lg-v30
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You do go overboard sometimes, but man, you're beyond an over achiever. ?
You help a lot of people. ?
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Mainly processor wise. Is this the fastest phone on the market currently?
I know the Xperia S is using a 1.5ghz dual core snapdragon CPU but is it as fast as the processor used in the Galaxy S2?
Memory and most other specs seem similar to all other new phones.
Although I did see recently that in a benchmark test it was quicker than the Galaxy Nexus for most if not all applications.
Just wondering how this phone will hold up after a year.
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Mainly processor wise. Is this the fastest phone on the market currently?
I know the Xperia S is using a 1.5ghz dual core snapdragon CPU but is it as fast as the processor used in the Galaxy S2?
Memory and most other specs seem similar to all other new phones.
Although I did see recently that in a benchmark test it was quicker than the Galaxy Nexus for most if not all applications.
Just wondering how this phone will hold up after a year.
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First year is OK. Arc came where they were dual cores and other stuff and it will even stay longer because phone's usability differs from person to another.
For what this phone is, it pretty good to me and what I have seen and after ICS hits this phone the true power will come out.
Very few applications are even designed/optimized for multi-core use, let alone quad-core.
While the lack of a quad-core will turn away most measurebators who want to buy the latest, glitziest quad-core model, from a software perspective there isn't much out there that will benefit from the extra 2 cores out yet for the next 2 years or so.
I'm a bit bummed about the 14.4 mbs d/l speed and the pathetic 2.1 bluetooth profile. They could have at least done 21mbs and Bt 3.0
Is it true this phone has 2gb RAM also?
I just checked my phone memory and it has 1.78gb free.
It's different from internal storage which I have 25.5gb free.
ssj_jaypee said:
Is it true this phone has 2gb RAM also?
I just checked my phone memory and it has 1.78gb free.
It's different from internal storage which I have 25.5gb free.
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Hmm!
There is 1 partion for internal system storage, and it is about 2Gb, other partition we known as sdcard, ~ 28 Gb.
So i dont think the phone has 2 Gb ram!
ssj_jaypee said:
Is it true this phone has 2gb RAM also?
I just checked my phone memory and it has 1.78gb free.
It's different from internal storage which I have 25.5gb free.
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Just like with PCs, there's a difference between internal storage and RAM.
AFAIK, the Xperia S has 512 MB RAM, of which about 340MB is available for applications to use while they are running. Right now, with the optimizations I have in place, I get about 370MB free RAM, which is a HUGE boost from the 100-140 I had on the Arc.
Rashkae said:
Just like with PCs, there's a difference between internal storage and RAM.
AFAIK, the Xperia S has 512 MB RAM, of which about 340MB is available for applications to use while they are running. Right now, with the optimizations I have in place, I get about 370MB free RAM, which is a HUGE boost from the 100-140 I had on the Arc.
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This is incorrect Xperia S has 1gb RAM. The 2GB partition is for app installs and the ~28gb is your internal sdcard storage. The 2gb and 28gb internal storage is just partitions off of the 32gb internal flash storage.
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This is incorrect Xperia S has 1gb RAM. The 2GB partition is for app installs and the ~28gb is your internal sdcard storage. The 2gb and 28gb internal storage is just partitions off of the 32gb internal flash storage.
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Yes, you may be right about the 1GB - I currently see 178MB used, 453MB free, so the rest would be used by the OS.
Still a massive boost over the Arc.
ssj_jaypee said:
Mainly processor wise. Is this the fastest phone on the market currently?
I know the Xperia S is using a 1.5ghz dual core snapdragon CPU but is it as fast as the processor used in the Galaxy S2?
Memory and most other specs seem similar to all other new phones.
Although I did see recently that in a benchmark test it was quicker than the Galaxy Nexus for most if not all applications.
Just wondering how this phone will hold up after a year.
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No this phone does not have the fastest CPU this is only downside to Xperia S. They released an excellent phone with last year CPU. The CPU Sony has is snapdragon scorpion or S3 while most phones being released in 2012 will have a snapdragon Krait or S4. The S4 actually performs faster than a Nvidia Tegra 3 quad core CPU which the HTC One X will have. If Sony released this phone with an S4 it would have best the ultimate android device IMO. However the Xperia S is still a good device that will last you a year easily and it beats a galaxy nexus which is the premium android phone right now as far as CPU.
Phones with 1gb of ram will have 256mb for dalvik virtual machine, so only 744 mb ram availble, and ram for system cache is about 200mb, that why you see free ram is about 400 mb.
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I'm seeing folks ordering the SpecialEedition. Unless the info I'm finding on them is inaccurate, the only difference is 821 ca 820.
I'd love to go with the 'latest', but I"m not sure that the 821 is worth $300 more than the Deluxe. That's a 60% premium over the Deluxe for what is advertised as a 10% increase in performance.
They seem to be slow to ramp up delivery. I"m anxious to see some of the reviews. Particularly interested in how good the GPS is.
I know this isn't much of a boost (and it's a benchmark), but I'll give my take on both the Deluxe and Deluxe Special Edition (own both of them).
Deluxe Special Edition Antutu Scores:
Total: 156729
3D: 61350
UX: 49963
CPU: 34635
Ram: 10781
Deluxe Antutu Scores:
Total: 138675
3D: 58261
UX: 41921
CPU: 28281
Ram: 10212
Take these scores conservatively as peoples phones vary (Mostly manufacture processes with some of the CPU's/Ram being of better grade, etc). Both phones were ran before any other software was installed and with all the bloat either removed or disabled. Before I disabled all the bloat on the Special Edition, it ran the same score as what was on the regular Deluxe, so the bloat was definitely causing a slowdown.
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I know this isn't much of a boost (and it's a benchmark), but I'll give my take on both the Deluxe and Deluxe Special Edition (own both of them).
Deluxe Special Edition Antutu Scores:
Total: 156729
3D: 61350
UX: 49963
CPU: 34635
Ram: 10781
Deluxe Antutu Scores:
Total: 138675
3D: 58261
UX: 41921
CPU: 28281
Ram: 10212
Take these scores conservatively as peoples phones vary (Mostly manufacture processes with some of the CPU's/Ram being of better grade, etc). Both phones were ran before any other software was installed and with all the bloat either removed or disabled. Before I disabled all the bloat on the Special Edition, it ran the same score as what was on the regular Deluxe, so the bloat was definitely causing a slowdown.
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I have the special edition version and in performance mode I only score 142K. What did you disable to score 156K?
Pretty much every app that came pre-installed on the phone was uninstalled or disabled. Only a couple of the preinstled apps like mobile manager and audiowizard (and maybe a few others). I'm also using Nova Launcher, but since I don't have ZenUIauncher disabled, that shouldn't give me a performance boost.
Also, in Autostart Manager, I have all the apps that were starting on boot disabled except for the apps I use daily.
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I know this isn't much of a boost (and it's a benchmark), but I'll give my take on both the Deluxe and Deluxe Special Edition (own both of them).
Deluxe Special Edition Antutu Scores:
Total: 156729
3D: 61350
UX: 49963
CPU: 34635
Ram: 10781
Deluxe Antutu Scores:
Total: 138675
3D: 58261
UX: 41921
CPU: 28281
Ram: 10212
Take these scores conservatively as peoples phones vary (Mostly manufacture processes with some of the CPU's/Ram being of better grade, etc). Both phones were ran before any other software was installed and with all the bloat either removed or disabled. Before I disabled all the bloat on the Special Edition, it ran the same score as what was on the regular Deluxe, so the bloat was definitely causing a slowdown.
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Pretty much every app that came pre-installed on the phone was uninstalled or disabled. Only a couple of the preinstled apps like mobile manager and audiowizard (and maybe a few others). I'm also using Nova Launcher, but since I don't have ZenUIauncher disabled, that shouldn't give me a performance boost.
Also, in Autostart Manager, I have all the apps that were starting on boot disabled except for the apps I use daily.
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That's weird because I disabled or uninstalled practically everything Asus and made sure I forced closed everything before I re-ran the test and only got 143K ? Not sure why I can't duplicate your performance.
The difference seems to be my UX score is 42K and my CPU score is 29K. Everything else is similar to what you have.
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That's weird because I disabled or uninstalled practically everything Asus and made sure I forced closed everything before I re-ran the test and only got 143K �� Not sure why I can't duplicate your performance.
The difference seems to be my UX score is 42K and my CPU score is 29K. Everything else is similar to what you have.
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A 5k difference on the CPU is pretty extreme. Even if you got a bottom of the barrel CPU performance wise, it should still perform >150k. Your CPU score as it is is almost comparable to my 820, which is not good imo. Should be better than that, way better.
I did find out that if you run the test while it is charging, the CPU test will call about 20% short of expected due to having to regulate the quick charge feature. Were you charging your phone while the test was ran?
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A 5k difference on the CPU is pretty extreme. Even if you got a bottom of the barrel CPU performance wise, it should still perform >150k. Your CPU score as it is is almost comparable to my 820, which is not good imo. Should be better than that, way better.
I did find out that if you run the test while it is charging, the CPU test will call about 20% short of expected due to having to regulate the quick charge feature. Were you charging your phone while the test was ran?
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I confirmed through cpu z I have the 821. I've tested both charged and not charged. Each test around 142K. Let's both try another test. What's your geekbench scores? Also, can anyone else post their antutu scores if you have the 821. Thanks.
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I'm seeing folks ordering the SpecialEedition. Unless the info I'm finding on them is inaccurate, the only difference is 821 ca 820.
I'd love to go with the 'latest', but I"m not sure that the 821 is worth $300 more than the Deluxe. That's a 60% premium over the Deluxe for what is advertised as a 10% increase in performance.
They seem to be slow to ramp up delivery. I"m anxious to see some of the reviews. Particularly interested in how good the GPS is.
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I believe we also get 256gb internal memory on the Special Edition whereas you only get 64gb on the Deluxe... That also needs to be taken into acount...
Instead of having one sim and an SD card you can use both sim card slots and have 256gb space for what you want, as long as you want to use 2 sims...
The rear camera is 23 megapixel on the S.E. vs. 16 megapixel on the Deluxe as well and we have 6gb Ram vs 4gb Ram.
There are some differences... Here is a site that seems to have a list of all the models, not sure how accurate but click on "Other Configurations" to see other models... - http://www.phonegg.com/compare/7617...70KL-256GB-6GB-RAM-vs-Samsung-Galaxy-A9-(2016)
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I confirmed through cpu z I have the 821. I've tested both charged and not charged. Each test around 142K. Let's both try another test. What's your geekbench scores? Also, can anyone else post their antutu scores if you have the 821. Thanks.
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http://imgur.com/JGowLFN
With the latest Antutu run, it got roughly 500 point increase, sitting at just over 157k. Nothing has changed that much except more apps installed on the phone.
Give me a few minutes and ill download geekbench and run that test as well.
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Geekbench for the 820:
http://imgur.com/8Jg6RfR
http://imgur.com/9As8RnL
http://imgur.com/FuKhTlw
Geekbench 821:
http://imgur.com/bfGLYtZ
http://imgur.com/0DYxtF0
http://imgur.com/ZnfmN2N
firepong said:
http://imgur.com/JGowLFN
With the latest Antutu run, it got roughly 500 point increase, sitting at just over 157k. Nothing has changed that much except more apps installed on the phone.
Give me a few minutes and ill download geekbench and run that test as well.
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Geekbench for the 820:
http://imgur.com/8Jg6RfR
http://imgur.com/9As8RnL
http://imgur.com/FuKhTlw
Geekbench 821:
http://imgur.com/bfGLYtZ
http://imgur.com/0DYxtF0
http://imgur.com/ZnfmN2N
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Thanks. I scored very similar to you. Single core 1832. Muti-core 4371.
I also re-ran AnTuTu and scored 155K. I think my issue was I was playing Asphalt 8 not to long before I ran the test so the CPU might have been throttling a bit to keep down the temperature.
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I believe we also get 256gb internal memory on the Special Edition whereas you only get 64gb on the Deluxe... That also needs to be taken into acount...
Instead of having one sim and an SD card you can use both sim card slots and have 256gb space for what you want, as long as you want to use 2 sims...
The rear camera is 23 megapixel on the S.E. vs. 16 megapixel on the Deluxe as well and we have 6gb Ram vs 4gb Ram.
There are some differences... Here is a site that seems to have a list of all the models, not sure how accurate but click on "Other Configurations" to see other models... - http://www.phonegg.com/compare/7617...70KL-256GB-6GB-RAM-vs-Samsung-Galaxy-A9-(2016)
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I think in the middle of what you were saying you got confused between zenfone 3 and zenfone 3 deluxe specs. You better recheck that.
I got a 154k score today on my brand new special edition while it was installing all my apps. I think once this thing gets optimized is going to be getting over 160k.
By optimized, I don't mean mine in particular. I mean this phone in general.
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Paytocum said:
I think in the middle of what you were saying you got confused between zenfone 3 and zenfone 3 deluxe specs. You better recheck that.
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He is referring to the 5.5" 4GB Deluxe with the SD625. He obviously doesn't realize the question was about the difference between the 5.7" versions, which are also the deluxe. Asus is giving out Deluxe monikers like they are Oprah.
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ewingr said:
I'm seeing folks ordering the SpecialEedition. Unless the info I'm finding on them is inaccurate, the only difference is 821 ca 820.
I'd love to go with the 'latest', but I"m not sure that the 821 is worth $300 more than the Deluxe. That's a 60% premium over the Deluxe for what is advertised as a 10% increase in performance.
They seem to be slow to ramp up delivery. I"m anxious to see some of the reviews. Particularly interested in how good the GPS is.
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The only differences are that one has the SD820 and 64GB of storage and the other has SD821 and 256GB of storage. I know others answered, but the other posts weren't very concise.
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...The only differences are that one has the SD820 and 64GB of storage and the other has SD821 and 256GB of storage. I know others answered, but the other posts weren't very concise.
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I had forgotten that there was also more memory in the Special Edition. That makes the $300 bonus charge a bit less onerous. On a quick check, there's a bit over $100 difference in cost between a 64 and 256 k SD Sandisk cards. So that makes the premium for the processor a bit under $200.
I'm still not sure it is worth the extra $.
If Asus had better manufacturing capability I'm thinking this phone would be quite competitive to some of the main stream brands. It sure seems slow to be getting out to users.
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I had forgotten that there was also more memory in the Special Edition. That makes the $300 bonus charge a bit less onerous. On a quick check, there's a bit over $100 difference in cost between a 64 and 256 k SD Sandisk cards. So that makes the premium for the processor a bit under $200.
I'm still not sure it is worth the extra $.
If Asus had better manufacturing capability I'm thinking this phone would be quite competitive to some of the main stream brands. It sure seems slow to be getting out to users.
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I got the SD820 and feel I won't miss the performance vs. the $300 extra bite. The phones can take up to a 2TB card, so unless you prefer internal storage, or need two working sim cards at all times, the storage difference is of no concern.
After de-bloating, my phone gets a score of 148718 - 8.5% less than the highest SD821 score currently posted here. Will I ever notice the difference? Nope.
That being said, for some reason Asus has decided to separate their firmware for the SD821 and SD820 (firmware for the SD821 version is labeled "pro") so I don't know if there are more hardware differences that come into play.
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I had forgotten that there was also more memory in the Special Edition. That makes the $300 bonus charge a bit less onerous. On a quick check, there's a bit over $100 difference in cost between a 64 and 256 k SD Sandisk cards. So that makes the premium for the processor a bit under $200.
I'm still not sure it is worth the extra $.
If Asus had better manufacturing capability I'm thinking this phone would be quite competitive to some of the main stream brands. It sure seems slow to be getting out to users.
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Well the storage (memory is RAM) is actually UFS2.0, not EMMC, so the price difference between 64 and 256GB micro SD cards is an inaccurate comparison. UFS2.0 gives the storage in phones SSD like transfer speeds, much faster than what micro sd cards can perform.
Read this to hi e you an idea of the enormous difference
http://technotif.com/ufs-2-0-new-generation-mobile-device-storage/
So if you really think about it, this makes the value of this phone extremely high, especially since it uses all the newest standards. And if I recall correctly, only the ze570kl models have UFS2.0, I think all the others have EMMC.
Blues-n-Blazin said:
Well the storage (memory is RAM) is actually UFS2.0, not EMMC, so the price difference between 64 and 256GB micro SD cards is an inaccurate comparison. UFS2.0 gives the storage in phones SSD like transfer speeds, much faster than what micro sd cards can perform.
Read this to hi e you an idea of the enormous difference
http://technotif.com/ufs-2-0-new-generation-mobile-device-storage/
So if you really think about it, this makes the value of this phone extremely high, especially since it uses all the newest standards. And if I recall correctly, only the ze570kl models have UFS2.0, I think all the others have EMMC.
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Yes UFS storage is supposed to be a lot faster. It was rumored that Samsung was going to take things a step further and make their SD card slot UFS compatible. It never happened though. If you all remember, storage speed was one of the reasons Samsung and other manufacturers got rid of the micro SD card slot completely. Only after user backlash did they bring it back.
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.That being said, for some reason Asus has decided to separate their firmware for the SD821 and SD820 (firmware for the SD821 version is labeled "pro") so I don't know if there are more hardware differences that come into play.
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Well the SD820 is the MSM8996 and the SD821 is the MSM8996 Pro, so that is why they name the firmwares like that.
Also the SD820 has gotten a few firmware updates but the SD821 hasn't gotten any yet.
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If you all remember, storage speed was one of the reasons Samsung and other manufacturers got rid of the micro SD card slot completely. Only after user backlash did they bring it back.
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That may be why Samsung claimed they got rid of it, but Apple does it to force us to buy the bigger storage options. One of the many reasons why that half eaten apple can rot in the garbage for all I care. I do like that touch screen strip to replace the function keys on the new MacBooks though. I hope Razer copies that cuz it is sick. My Razer Blade is still more powerful though...
Blues-n-Blazin said:
Well the SD820 is the MSM8996 and the SD821 is the MSM8996 Pro, so that is why they name the firmwares like that.
Also the SD820 has gotten a few firmware updates but the SD821 hasn't gotten any yet.
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I got 2 within the 1st day of turning on...
Version WW_4.10.40.839 - Original firmware,
Version WW-4.11.40.983(8996 Pro) - quick upgrade after turning on,
Version WW-4.11.40.1085(Pro) - one I'm on now...
These are on the ASUS site - https://www.asus.com/Phone/ZenFone-3-Deluxe-ZS570KL/HelpDesk_Download/
This doesn't mean that there is less support, but that they didn't release the older firmware that needed patching as the SD821 was released later. Both versions, 8996 & 8996 pro are currently on 1085
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I got 2 within the 1st day of turning on...
Version WW_4.10.40.839 - Original firmware,
Version WW-4.11.40.983(8996 Pro) - quick upgrade after turning on,
Version WW-4.11.40.1085(Pro) - one I'm on now...
These are on the ASUS site - https://www.asus.com/Phone/ZenFone-3-Deluxe-ZS570KL/HelpDesk_Download/
This doesn't mean that there is less support, but that they didn't release the older firmware that needed patching as the SD821 was released later. Both versions, 8996 & 8996 pro are currently on 1085
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Do u have an international SD821 or US? I have US and it came with 1085
I want to have a new micro SD card ready to go when I pick up my V30+ next week. There are some decent deals for 128GB cards at BestBuy and Amazon. I have tried searching for the info but haven't had any luck finding the maximum read and write speeds the LG V30's micro SD slot is capable of.
Samsung EVO Plus 128GB - BestBuy
Samsung EVO Select 128GB - Amazon
They are essentially the exact same card, just different branding due to when they were manufactured. Same specs and all but the EVO Select seems to be the newer of the two where the EVO Plus has been around since 2015. If the V30's micro SD card slot isn't capable of 100MB's read and 90MB's write, then I may as well go for something cheaper and slightly slower and save $7.
SanDisk Ultra Plus 128GB - BestBuy
Is anyone aware of what the maximum capabilities of the V30's micro SD slot is capable of? Is there a way to test this that someone wouldn't mind testing and posting their results?
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Is anyone aware of what the maximum capabilities of the V30's micro SD slot is capable of? Is there a way to test this that someone wouldn't mind testing and posting their results?
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Somebody did that a few weeks ago, I'll see if I can find the post.
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I was mistaken. It was the internal storage read/write speeds they tested.
V30 Internal storage speed?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/help/v30-internal-storage-speed-t3687990
They were trying to determine whether the LG V30/V30+ had UFS 2.0 or 2.1. It has UFS 2.1. (Earlier this year, Samsung shipped some S8 phones with both standards -- the Snapdragon S8 got 2.0 while the Exynos S8 got 2.1, while all chipset versions of the S8+ got 2.1.)
But several websites have done thorough reviews and have stated what's inside the V30/V30+, including exact components...
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Both the LG V30 and V30+ have Toshiba UFS 2.1 (THGAF4G9N4LBAIRB) internal storage
LG's press release:
http://www.lgnewsroom.com/2017/08/l...ier-with-premium-cinematography-capabilities/
Memory:
V30: 4GB LPDDR4x RAM / 64GB UFS 2.1 ROM / MicroSD (up to 2TB)
V30+: 4GB LPDDR4x RAM / 128GB UFS 2.1 ROM / MicroSD (up to 2TB)
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Other sites even give the manufacturer and component number:
https://www.androidheadlines.com/2017/10/lg-v30-review-ultimate-creativity-tool.html
Inside is a Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 chipset with Adreno 540 GPU, 4GB of LPDDR4X ram and either 64GB or 128GB of Toshiba UFS 2.1 (THGAF4G9N4LBAIRB) internal storage, all with microSD card support for expandable storage.
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This 6-inch display features a Quad-HD+ (1440 x 2880, 538 PPI) resolution 18:9 panel with nearly zero bezels all around, and is covered in Gorilla Glass 5. It’s also both Dolby Vision and HDR10 compliant. Inside is a Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 chipset with Adreno 540 GPU, 4GB of LPDDR4X ram and either 64GB or 128GB of Toshiba UFS 2.1 (THGAF4G9N4LBAIRB) internal storage, all with microSD card support for expandable storage.
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As it’s pushing the same resolution screen as the G6 with a processor and GPU boost, it’s pretty obvious why the phone feels so blazing fast all the time. Combine this with Toshiba UFS 2.1 (THGAF4G9N4LBAIRB) storage and you’ll quickly understand that LG has outfitted the V30 with the highest end components available right now.
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Even the Toshiba UFS 2.1 storage inside is a perfect match for Samsung’s best UFS 2.1 storage, which is used in most flagships now, and averages out just as fast as those chips. See the results of the benchmark suite we run for each phone, including 3DMark Slingshot, GeekBench 4, AnTuTu V6 and Futuremark’s PCMark internal storage test.
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https://www.anandtech.com/show/11789/hands-on-with-the-lg-v30
Under the hood, the V30 is powered by Qualcomm's Snapdragon 835, with LG using a heatpipe to assist in cooling. This is paired with 4 GB of LPDDR4X, and either 64GB or 128GB of UFS 2.1 storage.
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Just used the A1 SD card speed test app. LG V30 - Samsung 128GB Evo Select formatted as a 'removable' storage device - did the standard 4GB size write / read test twice without closing apps etc (so bit of a real life test) and once did reboot (waited 5 minutes before launching), ran the accurate test (does write, then reboot again with another 5 minute wait, then does read):
Test 1
Read - 64.01 MB/s
Write - 35.38 MB/s
Test 2
Read - 65.25 MB/s
Write - 33.13 MB/s
Test 3 (accurate test)
Read - 60.56 MB/s
Write - 37.63 MB/s
Based on other benchmarks I have seen for this SD card (~95 MB.s read and ~70 MB/s write), it does appear the V30 is not able to get full speed out of it.
And just for 'fun' here is what the internal memory was capable of in this app (only ran the 4GB test once):
Read - 524.87 MB/s
Write - 199.30 MB/s
I am wondering if even if it were stuck at the slower speeds, would this have any impact on the camera, video, music, etc? I am planning on using a 128G SD card also if I get this phone.
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Just used the A1 SD card speed test app. LG V30 - Samsung 128GB Evo Select formatted as a 'removable' storage device - did the standard 4GB size write / read test twice without closing apps etc (so bit of a real life test) and once did reboot (waited 5 minutes before launching), ran the accurate test (does write, then reboot again with another 5 minute wait, then does read):
Test 1
Read - 64.01 MB/s
Write - 35.38 MB/s
Test 2
Read - 65.25 MB/s
Write - 33.13 MB/s
Test 3 (accurate test)
Read - 60.56 MB/s
Write - 37.63 MB/s
Based on other benchmarks I have seen for this SD card (~95 MB.s read and ~70 MB/s write), it does appear the V30 is not able to get full speed out of it.
And just for 'fun' here is what the internal memory was capable of in this app (only ran the 4GB test once):
Read - 524.87 MB/s
Write - 199.30 MB/s
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Excellent! Thank you!
banshee28 said:
I am wondering if even if it were stuck at the slower speeds, would this have any impact on the camera, video, music, etc? I am planning on using a 128G SD card also if I get this phone.
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That should be enough to handle 4k and pictures being directly written to the micro SD card. You will want a card that is better than those speeds but there isn't any need to go for anything super expensive that are rated for super fast performance.
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While the measurement numbers are great info - I didn't need to run a test, I noticed as soon as I tried to play some PSone and PSP games. Any game with heavy disc access while trying to play (sports games especially, due to commentary) stuttered like I was running them off of an external USB hard drive. Move the game to internal storage and (obviously, from the benchmarks, above) no trouble at all.
This is disappointing, as I picked up this phone expressly due to its specs for playing games (It was on sale, and replaced my cheapie Blu phone). Not the end of the world; I can move games to internal that are particularly problematic, but rather annoying and ironic, as the games most affected are the ones taking up the most space, requiring the extra MicroSD storage...
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While the measurement numbers are great info - I didn't need to run a test, I noticed as soon as I tried to play some PSone and PSP games. Any game with heavy disc access while trying to play (sports games especially, due to commentary) stuttered like I was running them off of an external USB hard drive. Move the game to internal storage and (obviously, from the benchmarks, above) no trouble at all.
This is disappointing, as I picked up this phone expressly due to its specs for playing games (It was on sale, and replaced my cheapie Blu phone). Not the end of the world; I can move games to internal that are particularly problematic, but rather annoying and ironic, as the games most affected are the ones taking up the most space, requiring the extra MicroSD storage...
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Go AOSP/non-Stock, format microSD to ext4, flash custom kernel and see how it changes things,
write speed will be improved by 100% (so twice as fast), read speed approx. around 10-20% (or more) compared to exfat.
Also custom kernel got general speed improvements so that might make a difference - haven't tried running anything particularly heavy off the microSD though.
That particular thing is probably the reason why Android/Google doesn't recommend using microSDs - it can really degradate and mess with experience/fun at times
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Go AOSP/non-Stock, format microSD to ext4, flash custom kernel and see how it changes things,
write speed will be improved by 100% (so twice as fast), read speed approx. around 10-20% (or more) compared to exfat.
Also custom kernel got general speed improvements so that might make a difference - haven't tried running anything particularly heavy off the microSD though.
That particular thing is probably the reason why Android/Google doesn't recommend using microSDs - it can really degradate and mess with experience/fun at times
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Thank you for this info! I will definitely look into it - Although I just ran a few tests of my OLD phone, (A Blu Vivo 2(?) XL(?) - I forget), and it's read time from the micro Sd is atrocious, like 32 read and 24 write, and yet it plays PSone games just fine from the Micro SD - the SAME Micro SD that the LG V30 is stuttering on (and I've tried a drawer-full, now) - which leads me to believe it's some other type of bottleneck. After all, an actual PSone cd only reads form 150 to 300 KB (not MB) of data per second. Even with a single emulator emulating individual autonomous chips, there should be headroom, I would think, to keep things going.
... Aannnnd this moves me off-topic from this thread - So I'll stop right there.
Hello, theese days i bought 2 samsung galaxy s6 edge for testing purposes, one white(64GB) and one black (32GB). I reflashed them with same stock 7.0 rom via odin, installed just antutu and geekbench, closed all apps, airplane mode with wi-fi, and the results were those below.
Both have the same exyons chipset, hence both being G925F.
So how is that explainable?
So? No idea?
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So? No idea?
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It's not possible that the results deviate so much. The 32GB model is most likely defective in some way or something is still running in the background. My guess is that the UFS is faulty
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Hello, theese days i bought 2 samsung galaxy s6 edge for testing purposes, one white(64GB) and one black (32GB). I reflashed them with same stock 7.0 rom via odin, installed just antutu and geekbench, closed all apps, airplane mode with wi-fi, and the results were those below.
Both have the same exyons chipset, hence both being G925F.
So how is that explainable?
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It could also be because of the storage. Both benchmarking softwares evaluate storage. So, because of the higher storage capacity, the scores could be slightly higher. But this rarely translates to real world performance boost. I'm not a pro, just an enthusiast, and this is what I just got in my mind.
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It could also be because of the storage. Both benchmarking softwares evaluate storage. So, because of the higher storage capacity, the scores could be slightly higher. But this rarely translates to real world performance boost. I'm not a pro, just an enthusiast, and this is what I just got in my mind.
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You have a point there but still the difference shouldn't be that huge. If you have a higher capacity chip based storage solution (e.g. SSD, UFS...) that the R/W speeds will be higher. The speed depends on how many NAND chips are in your storage
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You have a point there but still the difference shouldn't be that huge. If you have a higher capacity chip based storage solution (e.g. SSD, UFS...) that the R/W speeds will be higher. The speed depends on how many NAND chips are in your storage
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Well, if you checked out the comparison between the 32gb iphone 7 and 256gb model, the 256 one will embarass the 32gb one in terms of speed.
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Well, if you checked out the comparison between the 32gb iphone 7 and 256gb model, the 256 one will embarass the 32gb one in terms of speed.
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It looks like you didn't quite get me. The SPEED DEPENDS ON HOW THE STORAGE WAS BUILT. Was it built with a single NAND chip or with multiple NAND chips. Samsung in this case offers a single NAND chip, just modified to take the extra data (so the speed is the same across all models ( 32gb, 64gb and 128gb )) while Apple just adds more NAND chips ( e.g. A single 32gb NAND chip has a write speed of 40 MBytes/s. If you add more 32gb NAND chips the speed will multiply by the number of added NAND chips. So for the iPhone 7 you mentioned, 256gb/32gb=8 (we have 8 NAND chips), 8*40=320MBytes/s)
I just got my s23 ultra. The vram was turned on to 8gb. Is that needed? Should I keep it going? I have the 512gb model with 12gb of ram already.
If you need that much ram you can use it but be aware that trying to use an ssd as ram, even a top spec ssd isn't anywhere near as fast as slow ra
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I just got my s23 ultra. The vram was turned on to 8gb. Is that needed? Should I keep it going? I have the 512gb model with 12gb of ram already.
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I also own an S23 Ultra. Where did you find the VRAM info?
Mind that VRAM stands for Virtual RAM and should be the RAM available for your GPU, not the overall RAM of your device.
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I also own an S23 Ultra. Where did you find the VRAM info?
Mind that VRAM stands for Virtual RAM and should be the RAM available for your GPU, not the overall RAM of your device.
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That's not right. The soc for these devices share RAM between cpu and gpu. There is no dedicated gpu RAM. Vram is simply virtual RAM on your ssd that is super slow compared to your actual ram
He means RAM plus...
Thanks all, I disabled it, I just wasn't sure why it was on by default. 12Gb will be plenty for me.
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That's not right. The soc for these devices share RAM between cpu and gpu. There is no dedicated gpu RAM. Vram is simply virtual RAM on your ssd that is super slow compared to your actual ram
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Never said it was dedicated to the GPU. I said it was "the RAM available for your GPU".
Thanks, @aureum.
In that case, it means that a defined amount the device's storage, which by default comes at 8GB, of "RAM Plus" which by default is 8GB, in support of the actual RAM.
@fil.lujan I suggest you don't disable the RAM Plus option. Leave it on at 8GB. It just takes 8GB from your storage and should be pretty unsignificant on the 512GB variant.
RAM plus is working as swap on windows, when you reach max RAM it should goes to RAM plus... However i read that ram plus is not for actual processing, only hibernate the apps for faster reloading them to RAM when needed, Some users od 22u point that disabling ram plus speed up the device I try it on my 23u and did not see any improvement when disabled so i left it at 8GB.
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Some users od 22u point that disabling ram plus speed up the device I try it on my 23u and did not see any improvement when disabled so i left it at 8GB.
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Considering how the SoC on this smartphone is already a beast, I don't see how it would be that impactful (in term of raw numbers).
But 12GB RAM is already enough for most users, topping to 12+8GB seems a little overkill.
UFS 4.0 is equivlant to Lpddr4 speed but allitle slower
And Ram plus aka V Ram will only be used when you have allot of apps open in back ground to prevent app restarts so it doesn't need to be as fast as the actual ram
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@fil.lujan I suggest you don't disable the RAM Plus option. Leave it on at 8GB. It just takes 8GB from your storage and should be pretty unsignificant on the 512GB variant.
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It's worth shutting it off and seeing if it has any performance impact. Previous phones all suffered noticeable penalties and honestly with 12GB, it's not needed.
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It's worth shutting it off and seeing if it has any performance impact. Previous phones all suffered noticeable penalties and honestly with 12GB, it's not needed.
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Well, I'd agree with you for older devices. Thought, the S23 Ultra is packed with high-performance UFS 4.0 storage. At worst, there would be the slightest performance impact (if none at all). Hence, I believe this time the pros are higher than the cons when keeping RAM Plus active, from my perspective.