I want to have a new micro SD card ready to go when I pick up my V30+ next week. There are some decent deals for 128GB cards at BestBuy and Amazon. I have tried searching for the info but haven't had any luck finding the maximum read and write speeds the LG V30's micro SD slot is capable of.
Samsung EVO Plus 128GB - BestBuy
Samsung EVO Select 128GB - Amazon
They are essentially the exact same card, just different branding due to when they were manufactured. Same specs and all but the EVO Select seems to be the newer of the two where the EVO Plus has been around since 2015. If the V30's micro SD card slot isn't capable of 100MB's read and 90MB's write, then I may as well go for something cheaper and slightly slower and save $7.
SanDisk Ultra Plus 128GB - BestBuy
Is anyone aware of what the maximum capabilities of the V30's micro SD slot is capable of? Is there a way to test this that someone wouldn't mind testing and posting their results?
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Is anyone aware of what the maximum capabilities of the V30's micro SD slot is capable of? Is there a way to test this that someone wouldn't mind testing and posting their results?
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Somebody did that a few weeks ago, I'll see if I can find the post.
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I was mistaken. It was the internal storage read/write speeds they tested.
V30 Internal storage speed?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/help/v30-internal-storage-speed-t3687990
They were trying to determine whether the LG V30/V30+ had UFS 2.0 or 2.1. It has UFS 2.1. (Earlier this year, Samsung shipped some S8 phones with both standards -- the Snapdragon S8 got 2.0 while the Exynos S8 got 2.1, while all chipset versions of the S8+ got 2.1.)
But several websites have done thorough reviews and have stated what's inside the V30/V30+, including exact components...
ChazzMatt said:
Both the LG V30 and V30+ have Toshiba UFS 2.1 (THGAF4G9N4LBAIRB) internal storage
LG's press release:
http://www.lgnewsroom.com/2017/08/l...ier-with-premium-cinematography-capabilities/
Memory:
V30: 4GB LPDDR4x RAM / 64GB UFS 2.1 ROM / MicroSD (up to 2TB)
V30+: 4GB LPDDR4x RAM / 128GB UFS 2.1 ROM / MicroSD (up to 2TB)
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Other sites even give the manufacturer and component number:
https://www.androidheadlines.com/2017/10/lg-v30-review-ultimate-creativity-tool.html
Inside is a Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 chipset with Adreno 540 GPU, 4GB of LPDDR4X ram and either 64GB or 128GB of Toshiba UFS 2.1 (THGAF4G9N4LBAIRB) internal storage, all with microSD card support for expandable storage.
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This 6-inch display features a Quad-HD+ (1440 x 2880, 538 PPI) resolution 18:9 panel with nearly zero bezels all around, and is covered in Gorilla Glass 5. It’s also both Dolby Vision and HDR10 compliant. Inside is a Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 chipset with Adreno 540 GPU, 4GB of LPDDR4X ram and either 64GB or 128GB of Toshiba UFS 2.1 (THGAF4G9N4LBAIRB) internal storage, all with microSD card support for expandable storage.
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As it’s pushing the same resolution screen as the G6 with a processor and GPU boost, it’s pretty obvious why the phone feels so blazing fast all the time. Combine this with Toshiba UFS 2.1 (THGAF4G9N4LBAIRB) storage and you’ll quickly understand that LG has outfitted the V30 with the highest end components available right now.
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Even the Toshiba UFS 2.1 storage inside is a perfect match for Samsung’s best UFS 2.1 storage, which is used in most flagships now, and averages out just as fast as those chips. See the results of the benchmark suite we run for each phone, including 3DMark Slingshot, GeekBench 4, AnTuTu V6 and Futuremark’s PCMark internal storage test.
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https://www.anandtech.com/show/11789/hands-on-with-the-lg-v30
Under the hood, the V30 is powered by Qualcomm's Snapdragon 835, with LG using a heatpipe to assist in cooling. This is paired with 4 GB of LPDDR4X, and either 64GB or 128GB of UFS 2.1 storage.
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Just used the A1 SD card speed test app. LG V30 - Samsung 128GB Evo Select formatted as a 'removable' storage device - did the standard 4GB size write / read test twice without closing apps etc (so bit of a real life test) and once did reboot (waited 5 minutes before launching), ran the accurate test (does write, then reboot again with another 5 minute wait, then does read):
Test 1
Read - 64.01 MB/s
Write - 35.38 MB/s
Test 2
Read - 65.25 MB/s
Write - 33.13 MB/s
Test 3 (accurate test)
Read - 60.56 MB/s
Write - 37.63 MB/s
Based on other benchmarks I have seen for this SD card (~95 MB.s read and ~70 MB/s write), it does appear the V30 is not able to get full speed out of it.
And just for 'fun' here is what the internal memory was capable of in this app (only ran the 4GB test once):
Read - 524.87 MB/s
Write - 199.30 MB/s
I am wondering if even if it were stuck at the slower speeds, would this have any impact on the camera, video, music, etc? I am planning on using a 128G SD card also if I get this phone.
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Just used the A1 SD card speed test app. LG V30 - Samsung 128GB Evo Select formatted as a 'removable' storage device - did the standard 4GB size write / read test twice without closing apps etc (so bit of a real life test) and once did reboot (waited 5 minutes before launching), ran the accurate test (does write, then reboot again with another 5 minute wait, then does read):
Test 1
Read - 64.01 MB/s
Write - 35.38 MB/s
Test 2
Read - 65.25 MB/s
Write - 33.13 MB/s
Test 3 (accurate test)
Read - 60.56 MB/s
Write - 37.63 MB/s
Based on other benchmarks I have seen for this SD card (~95 MB.s read and ~70 MB/s write), it does appear the V30 is not able to get full speed out of it.
And just for 'fun' here is what the internal memory was capable of in this app (only ran the 4GB test once):
Read - 524.87 MB/s
Write - 199.30 MB/s
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Excellent! Thank you!
banshee28 said:
I am wondering if even if it were stuck at the slower speeds, would this have any impact on the camera, video, music, etc? I am planning on using a 128G SD card also if I get this phone.
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That should be enough to handle 4k and pictures being directly written to the micro SD card. You will want a card that is better than those speeds but there isn't any need to go for anything super expensive that are rated for super fast performance.
Found Out Too late..
While the measurement numbers are great info - I didn't need to run a test, I noticed as soon as I tried to play some PSone and PSP games. Any game with heavy disc access while trying to play (sports games especially, due to commentary) stuttered like I was running them off of an external USB hard drive. Move the game to internal storage and (obviously, from the benchmarks, above) no trouble at all.
This is disappointing, as I picked up this phone expressly due to its specs for playing games (It was on sale, and replaced my cheapie Blu phone). Not the end of the world; I can move games to internal that are particularly problematic, but rather annoying and ironic, as the games most affected are the ones taking up the most space, requiring the extra MicroSD storage...
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While the measurement numbers are great info - I didn't need to run a test, I noticed as soon as I tried to play some PSone and PSP games. Any game with heavy disc access while trying to play (sports games especially, due to commentary) stuttered like I was running them off of an external USB hard drive. Move the game to internal storage and (obviously, from the benchmarks, above) no trouble at all.
This is disappointing, as I picked up this phone expressly due to its specs for playing games (It was on sale, and replaced my cheapie Blu phone). Not the end of the world; I can move games to internal that are particularly problematic, but rather annoying and ironic, as the games most affected are the ones taking up the most space, requiring the extra MicroSD storage...
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Go AOSP/non-Stock, format microSD to ext4, flash custom kernel and see how it changes things,
write speed will be improved by 100% (so twice as fast), read speed approx. around 10-20% (or more) compared to exfat.
Also custom kernel got general speed improvements so that might make a difference - haven't tried running anything particularly heavy off the microSD though.
That particular thing is probably the reason why Android/Google doesn't recommend using microSDs - it can really degradate and mess with experience/fun at times
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Go AOSP/non-Stock, format microSD to ext4, flash custom kernel and see how it changes things,
write speed will be improved by 100% (so twice as fast), read speed approx. around 10-20% (or more) compared to exfat.
Also custom kernel got general speed improvements so that might make a difference - haven't tried running anything particularly heavy off the microSD though.
That particular thing is probably the reason why Android/Google doesn't recommend using microSDs - it can really degradate and mess with experience/fun at times
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Thank you for this info! I will definitely look into it - Although I just ran a few tests of my OLD phone, (A Blu Vivo 2(?) XL(?) - I forget), and it's read time from the micro Sd is atrocious, like 32 read and 24 write, and yet it plays PSone games just fine from the Micro SD - the SAME Micro SD that the LG V30 is stuttering on (and I've tried a drawer-full, now) - which leads me to believe it's some other type of bottleneck. After all, an actual PSone cd only reads form 150 to 300 KB (not MB) of data per second. Even with a single emulator emulating individual autonomous chips, there should be headroom, I would think, to keep things going.
... Aannnnd this moves me off-topic from this thread - So I'll stop right there.
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What read & write speeds (MB/s) are you getting on your XTZ? Internal storage, not external SD Card.
I usually measure it on my phone with https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=air.com.anotherflexdev.sdcardtester.SDCardTester&hl=en but I am sure there are better apps that allow fine grained measure slike 4k random accesses vs sequential and so on.
I am having trouble finding that data for the Xperia Tablet Z and it is an important factor in my purchasing decision.
Thankyou.
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What read & write speeds (MB/s) are you getting on your XTZ? Internal storage, not external SD Card.
I usually measure it on my phone with https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=air.com.anotherflexdev.sdcardtester.SDCardTester&hl=en but I am sure there are better apps that allow fine grained measure slike 4k random accesses vs sequential and so on.
I am having trouble finding that data for the Xperia Tablet Z and it is an important factor in my purchasing decision.
Thankyou.
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I am attaching andro bench test results for the tablet z.
4k random writes, for example, come to about 1.1MB/s.
Thanks a lot.
So 47MB/s sequential and 15MB/s write. That means you can copy a movie from the tablet to a USB2 disk at max speed and copy from the disk to the tablet at like 60% speed.
As a reference, here is Anantech's latest benchmarks on other devices. It is the Note 3 review just skip to the NAND section.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7376/samsung-galaxy-note-3-review/4
An USB2.0 disk will yield about 25MB/s sequential, a cheap old internal PC HDD is about 90MB/s (both write and read though) and a real SSD between 150MB/s on SATA 2 up to 450ish on SATA3. IOPS are another matter of course.
I like this tablet but I think I will wait for a tablet with faster eMMC and faster WIFI (ac). Maybe next model.
Thanks for your input.
Posting tablet NAND data instead of smartphone. I cannot edit previous post. I hope this is useful for those who land here from the search box.
http://anandtech.com/show/7378/samsung-galaxy-note-101-2014-edition-review/2
As provided above by francobarber:
Xperia Tablet Z Sequential read: 47.34 MB/s
Xperia Tablet Z 4kB Write: 1.1 MB/s
Mini Review:
All these cards come at the speeds they're advertised at. HOWEVER, and this is very important!: It should be noted that the R/W speeds will differ greatly depending on if you're running exFAT or NTFS.
Benchmarks:
See below for the speeds, though you should keep in mind that your average tablet or phone will most likely throttle the speeds since the voltage output is way lower than on a desk/laptop.
Benchmarks for 128GB 45MB/s, 128GB 80MB/s, 200GB 90MB/s using exFAT:
Benchmarks for 128GB 45MB/s, 128GB 80MB/s, 200GB 90MB/s using NTFS:
I use my trusty Silicon Power USB 3.0 AIO card reader for these tests in case anyone is curious. See attached pictures below for reference when buying say off shady sites or retailers as fakes are easy to come by.
Thanks for the info!
Do you think there is any advantage in getting a microSD card with faster Read/Write speed. such as the Samsung Evo+ or Pro? or is the Read speed limited by the Shield K1's microSD slot?
If you are using marshmallow (6.0) the faster write speeds can be advantageous when using the SD card as internal storage. Apps on the SD card will use the SD card for writing temp files.
schmacky said:
Thanks for the info!
Do you think there is any advantage in getting a microSD card with faster Read/Write speed. such as the Samsung Evo+ or Pro? or is the Read speed limited by the Shield K1's microSD slot?
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Depends on what you're after really. If you only plan on filling it up with Plex/media content, then speed shouldn't be an issue for most once it's there. But if you plan on writing 100GB worth of content back and forth daily, then I would recommend a faster sdcard.
If you plan on using it as internal storage in conjunction with the internal one (feature introduced with 6.0) then I would also recommend a faster card so it matches the eMMC onboard storage speed since it's faster than this sdcard I currently have, not to mention if you plan on gaming (Android and or Shield only games) a lot on this device. For emulathors and stuff this card is enough.
Has anybody some experience with one of those?
-SanDisk Extreme Pro microSDXC (up to 95MB/Sec, Class 10, U3)
-Kingston SDCA3/64GB microSDHC/SDXC (UHS-I U3, 90R/80W)
According to this fairly recent comparison and benchmarks, they are one of the best:
http://www.techfunology.com/electro...for-photography-action-cams-and-videocameras/
I will hopefully update the thread with the 128GB 80MB/s version as of tomorrow as I managed to snag one for a little over 50€ (Remember, EU here! We have no luxury with 200GB microSD cards being sold for the same price or having 1 gallon of whatever costing the same as 1L of equivalent substance).
edit: no package until monday... sadface.jpg.
poo any decent 64gb cards? was looking at the Samsung evo or SanDisk Ultra 64 GB up to 80 Mbps
@ady702: actually yes.
I made a short benchmark of my 64GB Kingston card (that I mentioned above already):
Results: SD Card - Performance comparison ExFAT vs. NTFS (Benchmark)
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@ady702: actually yes.
I made a short benchmark of my 64GB Kingston card (that I mentioned above already):
Results: SD Card - Performance comparison ExFAT vs. NTFS (Benchmark)
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so the Kingston would be better than the other two? or is it down to the formatting?
It just means, the Kingston is good.
Though, the thread particularly only tells you that you should format sd cards as NTFS.
I ordered a Shield K1 Tablet for my son and the one apprehension I have is that it only includes 16GB of internal memory. Nvidia has already pushed out a 6.0 update for the device so adopting an SD card for internal storage seems like a logical option. My question is around the performance hit for doing so. I'm considering buying a 64GB Class 10/U3 SD card with write R/W speeds of up to 95/90 MB/s. I've googled around a bit and found some articles discussing the theoretical performance of adopted storage, but no actual testing.
Does anybody have experience with adoptable storage in Marshmallow and/or links to benchmarks? Any help is appreciated.
I have an oldish phone and I used a 64GiB class 10 /UHS card.
The performance is very bad. When formatted to be adopted storage, the card is encrypted, and all encryption/descryption happens in software, at least for ARMv7 CPUs (I'm still not sure what happens with 64bit ARMv8, different sources seem to post different things on that).
The app "Disk speed test" reports 18MB/s write and 3.8 MB/s read for this card. The phone is galaxy s4 mini. Apps placed on that storage are unusably slow.
Hi guys. I am thinking about V30, but want to find out what the storage speed is. I use AndroBench app from Play Store and run "Micro" test only. This shows me MB/s of the storage. As far as I know, the 500+MB is for UFS 2.0, 700+MB is UFS 2.1
Could any of you that have the device, ran the benchmark and tell me if the storage is USF 2.0 or 2.1
Here you go. Not fully getting what you want but here results
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Hi guys. I am thinking about V30, but want to find out what the storage speed is. I use AndroBench app from Play Store and run "Micro" test only. This shows me MB/s of the storage. As far as I know, the 500+MB is for UFS 2.0, 700+MB is UFS 2.1
Could any of you that have the device, ran the benchmark and tell me if the storage is USF 2.0 or 2.1
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As written Here UFS 2.0 has maximum speed close to 500MB/s, UFS2.1 has it close to 800MB/s.
In that thread there are also some terminal commands to find serial number of internal memory in order to establish if is UFS 2.0 or not (just google the number)
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Here you go. Not fully getting what you want but here results
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Interesting... For example I ran LG G5 test and it showed the reading speed as 418MB or so and the other #s I don't remember.
Killua96 said:
As written Here UFS 2.0 has maximum speed close to 500MB/s, UFS2.1 has it close to 800MB/s.
In that thread there are also some terminal commands to find serial number of internal memory in order to establish if is UFS 2.0 or not (just google the number)
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Right. I have seen this or similar thread when I bought my Galaxy S8 in the summer. Now since V30 is out, I just wanted to see if the speeds of storage are fast or not. I also had HTC U11 as well and reading speed was 760MB or more, don't remember exactly. U11 was much faster when installing and updating apps, it was twice as fast than my S8.
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Here you go. Not fully getting what you want but here results
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Could you run these? Or some of them?
Both the LG V30 and V30+ have Toshiba UFS 2.1 (THGAF4G9N4LBAIRB) internal storage
LG's press release:
http://www.lgnewsroom.com/2017/08/l...ier-with-premium-cinematography-capabilities/
Memory:
V30: 4GB LPDDR4x RAM / 64GB UFS 2.1 ROM / MicroSD (up to 2TB)
V30+: 4GB LPDDR4x RAM / 128GB UFS 2.1 ROM / MicroSD (up to 2TB)
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Other sites even give the manufacturer and component number:
https://www.androidheadlines.com/2017/10/lg-v30-review-ultimate-creativity-tool.html
Inside is a Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 chipset with Adreno 540 GPU, 4GB of LPDDR4X ram and either 64GB or 128GB of Toshiba UFS 2.1 (THGAF4G9N4LBAIRB) internal storage, all with microSD card support for expandable storage.
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This 6-inch display features a Quad-HD+ (1440 x 2880, 538 PPI) resolution 18:9 panel with nearly zero bezels all around, and is covered in Gorilla Glass 5. It’s also both Dolby Vision and HDR10 compliant. Inside is a Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 chipset with Adreno 540 GPU, 4GB of LPDDR4X ram and either 64GB or 128GB of Toshiba UFS 2.1 (THGAF4G9N4LBAIRB) internal storage, all with microSD card support for expandable storage.
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As it’s pushing the same resolution screen as the G6 with a processor and GPU boost, it’s pretty obvious why the phone feels so blazing fast all the time. Combine this with Toshiba UFS 2.1 (THGAF4G9N4LBAIRB) storage and you’ll quickly understand that LG has outfitted the V30 with the highest end components available right now.
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Even the Toshiba UFS 2.1 storage inside is a perfect match for Samsung’s best UFS 2.1 storage, which is used in most flagships now, and averages out just as fast as those chips. See the results of the benchmark suite we run for each phone, including 3DMark Slingshot, GeekBench 4, AnTuTu V6 and Futuremark’s PCMark internal storage test.
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https://www.anandtech.com/show/11789/hands-on-with-the-lg-v30
Under the hood, the V30 is powered by Qualcomm's Snapdragon 835, with LG using a heatpipe to assist in cooling. This is paired with 4 GB of LPDDR4X, and either 64GB or 128GB of UFS 2.1 storage.
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ChazzMatt said:
Both the LG V30 and V30+ have Toshiba UFS 2.1 (THGAF4G9N4LBAIRB) internal storage
LG's press release:
http://www.lgnewsroom.com/2017/08/l...ier-with-premium-cinematography-capabilities/
Other sites even give the manufacturer and component number:
https://www.androidheadlines.com/2017/10/lg-v30-review-ultimate-creativity-tool.html
This 6-inch display features a Quad-HD+ (1440 x 2880, 538 PPI) resolution 18:9 panel with nearly zero bezels all around, and is covered in Gorilla Glass 5. It’s also both Dolby Vision and HDR10 compliant. Inside is a Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 chipset with Adreno 540 GPU, 4GB of LPDDR4X ram and either 64GB or 128GB of Toshiba UFS 2.1 (THGAF4G9N4LBAIRB) internal storage, all with microSD card support for expandable storage.
As it’s pushing the same resolution screen as the G6 with a processor and GPU boost, it’s pretty obvious why the phone feels so blazing fast all the time. Combine this with Toshiba UFS 2.1 (THGAF4G9N4LBAIRB) storage and you’ll quickly understand that LG has outfitted the V30 with the highest end components available right now.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/11789/hands-on-with-the-lg-v30
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You do go overboard sometimes, but man, you're beyond an over achiever. ?
You help a lot of people. ?
Hello, theese days i bought 2 samsung galaxy s6 edge for testing purposes, one white(64GB) and one black (32GB). I reflashed them with same stock 7.0 rom via odin, installed just antutu and geekbench, closed all apps, airplane mode with wi-fi, and the results were those below.
Both have the same exyons chipset, hence both being G925F.
So how is that explainable?
So? No idea?
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So? No idea?
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It's not possible that the results deviate so much. The 32GB model is most likely defective in some way or something is still running in the background. My guess is that the UFS is faulty
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Hello, theese days i bought 2 samsung galaxy s6 edge for testing purposes, one white(64GB) and one black (32GB). I reflashed them with same stock 7.0 rom via odin, installed just antutu and geekbench, closed all apps, airplane mode with wi-fi, and the results were those below.
Both have the same exyons chipset, hence both being G925F.
So how is that explainable?
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It could also be because of the storage. Both benchmarking softwares evaluate storage. So, because of the higher storage capacity, the scores could be slightly higher. But this rarely translates to real world performance boost. I'm not a pro, just an enthusiast, and this is what I just got in my mind.
Goushique said:
It could also be because of the storage. Both benchmarking softwares evaluate storage. So, because of the higher storage capacity, the scores could be slightly higher. But this rarely translates to real world performance boost. I'm not a pro, just an enthusiast, and this is what I just got in my mind.
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You have a point there but still the difference shouldn't be that huge. If you have a higher capacity chip based storage solution (e.g. SSD, UFS...) that the R/W speeds will be higher. The speed depends on how many NAND chips are in your storage
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You have a point there but still the difference shouldn't be that huge. If you have a higher capacity chip based storage solution (e.g. SSD, UFS...) that the R/W speeds will be higher. The speed depends on how many NAND chips are in your storage
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Well, if you checked out the comparison between the 32gb iphone 7 and 256gb model, the 256 one will embarass the 32gb one in terms of speed.
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Well, if you checked out the comparison between the 32gb iphone 7 and 256gb model, the 256 one will embarass the 32gb one in terms of speed.
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It looks like you didn't quite get me. The SPEED DEPENDS ON HOW THE STORAGE WAS BUILT. Was it built with a single NAND chip or with multiple NAND chips. Samsung in this case offers a single NAND chip, just modified to take the extra data (so the speed is the same across all models ( 32gb, 64gb and 128gb )) while Apple just adds more NAND chips ( e.g. A single 32gb NAND chip has a write speed of 40 MBytes/s. If you add more 32gb NAND chips the speed will multiply by the number of added NAND chips. So for the iPhone 7 you mentioned, 256gb/32gb=8 (we have 8 NAND chips), 8*40=320MBytes/s)