I noticed that 1 hour of display on at normal brightness (just that, no aps running, no-nothing) drains my battery of about 20%, with the default wallpaper. I'm pretty "impressed" by this, and I wonder... is it normal?
In addition, I had a feeling that was more than confirmed by a specific test that I performed. Well oddly enough to say....
With display brightness set to minimum, and just the diplay on continuously for 20 mins, I get 10% battery drain, but...
With display brightness set to 60%, and again just the diplay on continuously for 20 mins, I get only 5%, and the units' temperature also lowers a bit!!!
I also get similar results (5% drain or so) with display brightness set to 80%...
Therefore, at least for my unit, it looks like for saving battery life, I should keep the display brightness fix at 60% or even more!
I don't know why this happens but I suspect that the brightness regulator of the display drains much more power than the amount it helps to save from dimming the display!
Anyone to confirm?
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Not to be rude, but there are a few threads concerning power consumption/battery use/display . if you have a browse around, and did some reading up, you would find some of the solutions that other people are using?
also, when posting a thread like this, you should try and give as much pertinent information as possible, for example, what firmware are you running? have you rooted the phone? is it branded or unbranded?
Again, not being rude to you. Just trying to give you some pointers.
stoney73 said:
Not to be rude, but there are a few threads concerning power consumption/battery use/display . if you have a browse around, or perhaps used the search function, and did some reading up, you would find some of the solutions that other people are using?
also, when posting a thread like this, you should try and give as much pertinent information as possible, for example, what firmware are you running? have you rooted the phone? is it branded or unbranded?
Again, not being rude to you. Just trying to give you some pointers.
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Hi Stoney,
thank you but yes, actually I did make some search, but couldn't find anyone claiming that his dislay is draining more at dim than at full brightness... Maybe I was not searching in the right direction, in such case I would be pleased if you could give me some hints.
Cocerning my phone, it's unbranded and unrooted. I bought it 5 days ago, and I've updated it with Kies to the latest firmware available from Samsung:
Build is Gingerbread XWKE7
Kernel is 2.6.35.7-I9100XWKE7-CL215725
Baseband is I9100XWKE1
Did not notice any improvement, nor any degradation, in battery life after updating.
At the moment my battery is at 77%, and display is reported to have drained 68% of it, and it's reported to having been on for 1 h 15 mins.
This means that the display alone has drained 68% of 33% battery drain in 1 h 15 min, which makes approx. .68*33=22.5% of battery drain in 75 mins.
It means that, the display alone, without CPU or watever, totally drains my battery in 75*100/22.5=330 mins, or if you prefer, in 5 h 35 mins.
Well, I find this value really frustrating since aside from being miles away from my old nokia N95 8GB, I'm wondering how people can say that they get more than a full day of heavy usage out of this phone... I don't know if battery life is better or worse than other touch screen phones, because that's the first one I own, but I remember having read that Iphone 4 for instance, survives for more than 7 hours with continuous web browsing (and hence not only with the display on, but also with many other tasks running)...
JuniorGG said:
Hi Stoney,
thank you but yes, actually I did make some search, but couldn't find anyone claiming that his dislay is draining more at dim than at full brightness... Maybe I was not searching in the right direction, in such case I would be pleased if you could give me some hints.
Cocerning my phone, it's unbranded and unrooted. I bought it 5 days ago, and I've updated it with Kies to the latest firmware available from Samsung:
Build is Gingerbread XWKE7
Kernel is 2.6.35.7-I9100XWKE7-CL215725
Baseband is I9100XWKE1
Did not notice any improvement, nor any degradation, in battery life after updating.
At the moment my battery is at 77%, and display is reported to have drained 68% of it, and it's reported to having been on for 1 h 15 mins.
This means that the display alone has drained 68% of 33% battery drain in 1 h 15 min, which makes approx. .68*33=22.5% of battery drain in 75 mins.
It means that, the display alone, without CPU or watever, totally drains my battery in 75*100/22.5=330 mins, or if you prefer, in 5 h 35 mins.
Well, I find this value really frustrating since aside from being miles away from my old nokia N95 8GB, I'm wondering how people can say that they get more than a full day of heavy usage out of this phone... I don't know if battery life is better or worse than other touch screen phones, because that's the first one I own, but I remember having read that Iphone 4 for instance, survives for more than 7 hours with continuous web browsing (and hence not only with the display on, but also with many other tasks running)...
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I can imagine it is quite frustrating, seeing people post that their phone is lasting a full day+(mine does) and yours isnt.
So what steps have you taken?
before updating to KE7, did you (backup your apps/anything on internal memory you want to save) and then wipe the cache, and factory reset(from the privacy settings on the phone)?
Do you use the samsung hubs/'AP app,etc? If not, have you tried freezing/deleting them?(I froze mine on the basis of you never know when/if you want to use them at some point)
These are the two things I did immediately after updating to KE7 and finding out it was draining the battery, after I performed those two steps, things went back to normal for me.
I dont tend to hammer the phone(now anyway), but on an ave day, I spend around 30-45 mins chat, 15-30 texts, 30-45 mins gaming, 2 email on push sync, fb/twitter updates, xda app. I dont tend to watch video much on it(I have a tab for that, a very much underused tab since I got the S2).
I usually have 20-30% battery come bedtime. I have the display on auto, timeout on 2 mins.
JuniorGG said:
This means that the display alone has drained 68% of 33% battery drain in 1 h 15 min, which makes approx. .68*33=22.5% of battery drain in 75 mins.
It means that, the display alone, without CPU or watever, totally drains my battery in 75*100/22.5=330 mins, or if you prefer, in 5 h 35 mins.
Well, I find this value really frustrating since aside from being miles away from my old nokia N95 8GB, I'm wondering how people can say that they get more than a full day of heavy usage out of this phone... I don't know if battery life is better or worse than other touch screen phones, because that's the first one I own, but I remember having read that Iphone 4 for instance, survives for more than 7 hours with continuous web browsing (and hence not only with the display on, but also with many other tasks running)...
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You have to take two things into account:
1) Your N95 had a MUCH smaller display, with another screen technologie and fewer pixels, as well as a much slower chipset and no touchscreen.
2) The Iphone too has a smaller display, with backlighting, which drains less battery and has as well a less powerful SOC.
That a 4.3 inch display would drain the battery fast, shouldn't surprise anyone imo. Compared to the Iphone it's a ~20% difference in screensize. Since the displays drains most of the battery, it shouldn't surprise anyone that the Iphone lasts longer ...
Stoney, sorry but if you tell me to stop/freeze processes, you haven't understood my post. I repeat that the problem with my phone is the display that drains about 1Watt only for being on, no matter the brightness (actually, at high brignthess it drains LESS). This has nothing to do with processes. When the display of my phone is off, the battery lasts ages. For instance, this evening I went jogging for one hour with Sports Tracker (on GPS) and the music player always on, but the display off. The battery just dropped about 10%, which is perfectly normal. If instead I dare to turn on the display, I can actually see the battery draining and the phone becoming warm.
II would be useful if you could do a small check for me: after full charging the battery, leave the screen on for a while with about 50% brightness and the home screen. After 2 or 3 hours, could you please report to me the screen % usage, and the corresponding net "on" time? Only this can be a proof that my unit is faulty, and the display is draining much more power than normal.
Chalid, for sure this display is bigger than that of the iPhone and even bigger than that of the N95. But does this justify a cosumption of more than 1 W (since it drains the full 7Wh battery in just 5.5 hours)? Well, in my opinion, by no means! And besides, where the AMOLED displays said to require less power than LCDs, or were they not?
IMHO a display draining more than 1 W is a killer on any mobile phone! (again: UNLESS mine is faulty for some reason)
JuniorGG said:
Hi Stoney,
thank you but yes, actually I did make some search, but couldn't find anyone claiming that his dislay is draining more at dim than at full brightness... Maybe I was not searching in the right direction, in such case I would be pleased if you could give me some hints.
Cocerning my phone, it's unbranded and unrooted. I bought it 5 days ago, and I've updated it with Kies to the latest firmware available from Samsung:
Build is Gingerbread XWKE7
Kernel is 2.6.35.7-I9100XWKE7-CL215725
Baseband is I9100XWKE1
Did not notice any improvement, nor any degradation, in battery life after updating.
At the moment my battery is at 77%, and display is reported to have drained 68% of it, and it's reported to having been on for 1 h 15 mins.
This means that the display alone has drained 68% of 33% battery drain in 1 h 15 min, which makes approx. .68*33=22.5% of battery drain in 75 mins.
It means that, the display alone, without CPU or watever, totally drains my battery in 75*100/22.5=330 mins, or if you prefer, in 5 h 35 mins.
Well, I find this value really frustrating since aside from being miles away from my old nokia N95 8GB, I'm wondering how people can say that they get more than a full day of heavy usage out of this phone... I don't know if battery life is better or worse than other touch screen phones, because that's the first one I own, but I remember having read that Iphone 4 for instance, survives for more than 7 hours with continuous web browsing (and hence not only with the display on, but also with many other tasks running)...
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*cough* 100% - 77% = 23% = 15.64% in 75min is quite good to be honest.
480mins which is 8hours straight display on time....very good if u ask me.
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1 hour 8mins with my display on today has used 17.98% of my total battery with brightness at auto
My screen eats also alot of the battary.
Like 4-5 hours and thats all and on minimum brightness.
I try to set it on 60 percent also and ofc autobrightness disabled.
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is it true that the phone uses less battery when you select a brightness of 60%+ or auto? cause I use 15% all the time.
i have the same problem,never under 45%.
ke2!
guigs91 said:
i have the same problem,never under 45%.
ke2!
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Screen is a drainer. I NEVER use auto brightness ... I set it to 0~20 when inside and only higher when outside in sunny conditions.
JuniorGG said:
Stoney, sorry but if you tell me to stop/freeze processes, you haven't understood my post. I repeat that the problem with my phone is the display that drains about 1Watt only for being on, no matter the brightness (actually, at high brignthess it drains LESS). This has nothing to do with processes. When the display of my phone is off, the battery lasts ages. For instance, this evening I went jogging for one hour with Sports Tracker (on GPS) and the music player always on, but the display off. The battery just dropped about 10%, which is perfectly normal. If instead I dare to turn on the display, I can actually see the battery draining and the phone becoming warm.
II would be useful if you could do a small check for me: after full charging the battery, leave the screen on for a while with about 50% brightness and the home screen. After 2 or 3 hours, could you please report to me the screen % usage, and the corresponding net "on" time? Only this can be a proof that my unit is faulty, and the display is draining much more power than normal.
Chalid, for sure this display is bigger than that of the iPhone and even bigger than that of the N95. But does this justify a cosumption of more than 1 W (since it drains the full 7Wh battery in just 5.5 hours)? Well, in my opinion, by no means! And besides, where the AMOLED displays said to require less power than LCDs, or were they not?
IMHO a display draining more than 1 W is a killer on any mobile phone! (again: UNLESS mine is faulty for some reason)
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amoled screens were quoted to consumers as using less power. but the tests i've done, i contend that amoled uses far more power than the SLCD screens HTC is using for example. like significantly more. so the screen is a killer for sure on your device, dont get fooled.
JuniorGG said:
Chalid, for sure this display is bigger than that of the iPhone and even bigger than that of the N95. But does this justify a cosumption of more than 1 W (since it drains the full 7Wh battery in just 5.5 hours)? Well, in my opinion, by no means! And besides, where the AMOLED displays said to require less power than LCDs, or were they not?
IMHO a display draining more than 1 W is a killer on any mobile phone! (again: UNLESS mine is faulty for some reason)
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Like Locster126 pointed out, it's only 15.64% for your 75 minutes of usage. The battery has 6,11Wh, which makes a power consumption of approx. 0,76W. But you must not forget, that the AMOLED display drain is highly dependent on the content you're displaying. Thats the difference to the LCD. While the LCDs backlight is mostly responsible for the drain, the AMOLEDs individual pixels drain the battery, which means that light-colored content drains more battery - more than on the LCD, while dark-colored content doesn't.
Nothing wrong with your screen.
EDIT: I will test the power consumption of the HD2s screen later ..
Mittaa said:
Screen is a drainer. I NEVER use auto brightness ... I set it to 0~20 when inside and only higher when outside in sunny conditions.
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i try everything(auto,or not) but don't work,sorry for my english
chalid said:
Like Locster126 pointed out, it's only 15.64% for your 75 minutes of usage. The battery has 6,11Wh, which makes a power consumption of approx. 0,76W.
EDIT: I will test the power consumption of the HD2s screen later ..
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Just finished the testing. After loading the HTC HD2 to 100% in flight-mode, I unplugged it and let the screen continuously on at full brightness for 30 minutes. The battery went down to 92%. So 8% for half an hour. That means, the screens power consumption at full brightness is ~0,73W (battery capacity is 4,55Wh).
So definitely lower than your SAMOLED power consumption ... but so is the display quality ...
Locster126 said:
*cough* 100% - 77% = 23% = 15.64% in 75min is quite good to be honest.
480mins which is 8hours straight display on time....very good if u ask me.
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Oops! You're right!
Well ok, 8 hours so....
And considering that the battery has a capacity of 6.2Wh, the display actually drains 0.78W, at normal brightness (auto brightness was set to on and I was indoor, daytime).
In any case, that's not totally fair because it doesn't consider all the rest that's draining power from the battery. Considering my "normal" usage of the device, I get about 60% display ratio after a full battery discharge (to be optimistic).
This means that I have .6*8= 4.8 hours of "normal" usage to spread across the day.
I don't play 3D games and use WiFi just for syncing the emails and podcasts (10 minutes to say the most). I also don't use Bluetooth. I keep the GPS on all the time but turn on packet data strictly when necessary, and make just 5 minutes of calls and send 5 SMS... In substance, I use the device like a normal 150 euros phone.
This is my first touch screen device (as I said,I come from a Nokia N95 8GB), therefore I would like to understand if 4.8 hours continuous normal usage of the phone from fully charged to "mayday, shutting off!" can be considered normal.
I don't uderstand how some people can say they get one full day heavy usage on it, or 2 full days normal usage, playing 3D games, continuously syncing accounts, watching videos, surfing the internet, etc!!!!
My replies (thank you all) ->
to (•.•) (nice your nickname! ):
not far from mine. Tell me if you get some improvement at 60%. I will also repeat the test on mine, trying to be more systematic as possible, since I really want to be sure of what I have seen.
to seaweeduk:
please be more clear. Just the display or the entire unit? In any case that seems to be a much smaller consumption than that of my display...
to guigs91:
you mean you also noticed this odd behaviour?
to Mittaa:
right, but before setting brightness to a low level I want to be sure that it actually drains less power, and that's how I figured out that actually it's the other way around (I hope I made something wrong, as said I'll re-check better).
to RogerPodacter:
sadly, I perfectly agree with you.
to chalid:
thank you for reassuring me. To be honest however I'm not totally sure that black pictures drain significantly less power than white ones. I feel more that it's simply the bias current of the display, to drain a lot, and the rest is not so important. In fact, if you look at a 100% black picture totally in the dark, you'll see that it's not fully black. I's ALMOST fully black (much more than LCDs), but you can actually notice that the display is on (and therefore it is powered). If you shut off the display, you'll notice the diference.
to guigs91:
I also tried everything without success. Apart from noticing that perhaps high display brightness helps a little!
Did I forget someone? Ah yes, tommehh :
this is what I noticed. Let me re-check 'cause I find hard to believe myself!
JuniorGG said:
I don't uderstand how some people can say they get one full day heavy usage on it, or 2 full days normal usage, playing 3D games, continuously syncing accounts, watching videos, surfing the internet, etc!!!!
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Well, you don't have the screen on for 5 hours continuously when using the phone, do you?
Here are my batterys stats:
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Display: 2h 12m = 20%
Phone calls: 28m 24s = 9%
That's absolutely okay in my opinion. But like I said: If you want 1 week usage off one charge, you need to get a phone with a smaller display, because all of those 3.5+ inch touchscreens drain the battery pretty fast.
Though I feel Brightness setting 1 (presumably the lowest brightness setting) is too bright, the Auto setting is a drasticly lower brightness level over all, washing out the sharpness and vibrancy of the display in both ambient on and ambient off modes. It seems a shame to have to settle for the flat tire watch face when the overall effect of the light sensor living in that area does not seem to provide a worthy purpose.
stevemw said:
Though I feel Brightness setting 1 (presumably the lowest brightness setting) is too bright, the Auto setting is a drasticly lower brightness level over all, washing out the sharpness and vibrancy of the display in both ambient on and ambient off modes. It seems a shame to have to settle for the flat tire watch face when the overall effect of the light sensor living in that area does not seem to provide a worthy purpose.
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I just purchased this watch and was wondering that same thing. It's too early to come to a conclusion as I've literally only had it for a few hours. I'm going to try auto with "always on" and see how that does with battery, then maybe try number 1 on the same setting. Far as the flat tire that everyone is upset about, I can already say I would have rather had manual adjustment only with a full circular screen. Oh well I did all my homework between this watch and the Huawei. The one thing that gave this an edge was the 400 battery and the ability to switch bands at will. After a week or so I should have a good idea if this was a good purchase.
I got mine last week. For mr it was the 400 mAh battery and the watch face size. Anything under 46mm or a band less than 22mm would look silly on me.
On autp thr active screen is practically unreadable while the ambient screen OK.
Strange thing: my battery just went ftom 92% to practically 0 in what seemed to be less than 2 hours. And the screen was off the entire time.
Battery is great for me. Only lost 20% in 12 hours, about half that time I was using the "always on" screen mode or it would have been even less. I am not going to be a heavy user so that makes a difference, if you're someone who is using it all the time it's going to be a different story I'm sure.
stevemw said:
I got mine last week. For mr it was the 400 mAh battery and the watch face size. Anything under 46mm or a band less than 22mm would look silly on me.
On autp thr active screen is practically unreadable while the ambient screen OK.
Strange thing: my battery just went ftom 92% to practically 0 in what seemed to be less than 2 hours. And the screen was off the entire time.
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Your graph say that your screen stay ON 62% of the time, so it drop the battery in 2H. Maybe something touch the screen and your watch stay ON ?
I sometimes notice while wearing short sleeves that the screen comes on and never goes off even though Always on is set to Off. I usually notice when the watch or watch face becomes warm. But generally battery life is fine, requiring a charge every other day.
Another reason I chose the Moto over the Huawei watch or any other is wireless charging. No more corroded pogo pins for me!
I am at 33% and still haven't charged since I got the watch on Thursday. I do turn it off at night like I do my phone, but nonetheless that is great far as I'm concerned.
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