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(I would use Unlocked version on Tmobile) No bloat with Unlocked version and T mobile folks said tether will work fine etc. i.e. Tmobile software not needed. Looking for suggestions for either phone. Thx in advance.
the b&h version doesnt come out until may 11th just fyi.
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the b&h version doesnt come out until may 11th just fyi.
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B&H site now says May 1st. I called LG but was unable to get any scoop.
It would be great to get feedback from the forum on whether it would make sense to wait for the unlocked version or just get the T mobile verison now.
Thx
The RS988 would work just fine on T-Mobile. It will most likely receive less updates than the T-Mobile variant. For example the US991 Unbranded G4 that B&H sells still doesn't have Marshmallow. I'd assume the trend to continue.
RS988 comes SIM unlocked out of the box.. while the T-Mobile version does not but depending on if you buy it outright or are in good standing sometimes T-Mobile will unlock the SIM.
Bootloader on the RS988 will be locked. I'd expect T-Mobiles version to have a better shot at bootloader unlock... but maybe not. RS988 certainly has no edge over the T-Mobile version here tho. Both are locked at the moment. T-Mobil's may eventually get unlocked officially from T-Mobil update in the future... RS988 has no shot at that and it will take a bootloader exploit to unlock.
You can't really lose either way in my opinion... though you get more free perks with the T-Mobile version. Free 360 camera for those who buy tmo model until April 5th (tomorrow).. on top of the battery.
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The RS988 would work just fine on T-Mobile. It will most likely receive less updates than the T-Mobile variant. For example the US991 Unbranded G4 that B&H sells still doesn't have Marshmallow. I'd assume the trend to continue.
RS988 comes SIM unlocked out of the box.. while the T-Mobile version does not but depending on if you buy it outright or are in good standing sometimes T-Mobile will unlock the SIM.
Bootloader on the RS988 will be locked. I'd expect T-Mobiles version to have a better shot at bootloader unlock... but maybe not. RS988 certainly has no edge over the T-Mobile version here tho. Both are locked at the moment. T-Mobil's may eventually get unlocked officially from T-Mobil update in the future... RS988 has no shot at that and it will take a bootloader exploit to unlock.
You can't really lose either way in my opinion... though you get more free perks with the T-Mobile version. Free 360 camera for those who buy tmo model until April 5th (tomorrow).. on top of the battery.
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Awesome, just the feedback I was looking for. I'll grab the T-mobile version and report back. Don't laugh...I'm transitioning from WebOs. I look forward to educating myself about the G5 and Android with the help of this site. Thanks again!
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The RS988 would work just fine on T-Mobile. It will most likely receive less updates than the T-Mobile variant. For example the US991 Unbranded G4 that B&H sells still doesn't have Marshmallow. I'd assume the trend to continue.
RS988 comes SIM unlocked out of the box.. while the T-Mobile version does not but depending on if you buy it outright or are in good standing sometimes T-Mobile will unlock the SIM.
Bootloader on the RS988 will be locked. I'd expect T-Mobiles version to have a better shot at bootloader unlock... but maybe not. RS988 certainly has no edge over the T-Mobile version here tho. Both are locked at the moment. T-Mobil's may eventually get unlocked officially from T-Mobil update in the future... RS988 has no shot at that and it will take a bootloader exploit to unlock.
You can't really lose either way in my opinion... though you get more free perks with the T-Mobile version. Free 360 camera for those who buy tmo model until April 5th (tomorrow).. on top of the battery.
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well damn that sucks. i want the unlocked version cause im not sure which carrier i want to choose.
B&H Photo email about bootloader
svengalis said:
well damn that sucks. i want the unlocked version cause im not sure which carrier i want to choose.
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I can't say this is reliable yet as B&H model isn't actually available yet but I emailed them last week about this , tech support guy named Adam emailed back this week saying the bootloader is unlocked, I emailed back asking if he knew the difference between sims unlocked and bootloader unlocked, he said yes and confirmed bootloader also unlocked- I am a skeptic until I see it but, imho I do think it would give them an edge in sales and they have no vested interest in the carriers so I'm waiting to see (I also want it now but...) I also wonder if software will have less bloat. I'm thinking that all US models will all be locked but LG will give the unlock codes out for international models as they are claiming to be friendly to developers, and B&H has a good chance to be in that same boat. Still have hope for this
Only one bloat app on tmobile are T mobile acct app....evrythig else you can delete
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Another thing that has me scratching my head, is how come they're the only ones that are selling this model?
I tried looking elsewhere online and don't see any major retailer selling it.
B&H model thoughts
I am still waiting to see what B&H model looks like (mostly because the money is short this month) but after reading more on this thread, I am leaning more towards the T-Mobile version, mainly because I would probably get better product support should the phone have problems in the beginning, also willing to wait for unlock when/if it comes. mail orders are risky and no one knows what this variant will be like until they get one and then they would probably have to deal with LG for problems after 30 days - while B&H doesn't have a vested interest in carriers, they also don't have an interest in getting the bootloader unlocked (if locked, and this sounds likely despite what I was told).
T-Mobile also has EVS out of the box
Another reason to consider the T-Mobile version is it has Enhanced Voice Services (EVS) enabled out of the box where as the unlocked version may never get it. Might not be a big deal but if your on T-Mobile already, why not go with it.
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Awesome, just the feedback I was looking for. I'll grab the T-mobile version and report back. Don't laugh...I'm transitioning from WebOs. I look forward to educating myself about the G5 and Android with the help of this site. Thanks again!
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My wife's G4 was purchased from B&H four months ago and received the marshmallow update two weeks after we got it.
update on B&H vs T-Mobile version bands
I just found a post here at xda forums about the variant lg g5 models - what I've been waiting for to make a decision on T-Mobile vs B&H choice. this may or may not matter to everyone. I notice a slight difference in the bands among variants, might be important to allow full range of carriers before deciding. I would look at this link to see if the missing bands are important (T-Mobile is not very good in my area so having more available bands in the B&H model would be important to me if these stats are accurate.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g5/how-to/info-autos-g5-thread-t3350648
here is another link on variant LTE bands:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Chea...on-T-Mobile-and-Sprint-use-in-the-USA_id77933
Just curious, seeming how most people would just say "buy the carrier unlocked version". I don't know jack about development and all that, and I don't mean any disrespect in this, but I'm just curious if anyone out there is going to be trying to root the carrier models of the v30.
I hope so. Only reason I'll ever buy a samsung again is cause the dev community is so so much better vs LG following. Honestly really love my g6 and my v30 but if Verizon never gets root and I never get exposed modules I'll be very very much more likely to buy a gs9 or galaxy X in a year or two
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I hope so. Only reason I'll ever buy a samsung again is cause the dev community is so so much better vs LG following. Honestly really love my g6 and my v30 but if Verizon never gets root and I never get exposed modules I'll be very very much more likely to buy a gs9 or galaxy X in a year or two
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Yep, the GS8 forums are always buzzing it seems. Problem for me is that this phone is going to have to get me through the next 3-4 years (I got my current Nexus 5 in July of 2014, unlocked). I would probably get the s8 if it wasn't for the godawful fingerprint reader placement, and I prefer the camera setup that LG has been offering. I hope the v30 is a hit for LG, it truly is a beautiful phone.
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Yep, the GS8 forums are always buzzing it seems. Problem for me is that this phone is going to have to get me through the next 3-4 years (I got my current Nexus 5 in July of 2014, unlocked). I would probably get the s8 if it wasn't for the godawful fingerprint reader placement, and I prefer the camera setup that LG has been offering. I hope the v30 is a hit for LG, it truly is a beautiful phone.
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I love my g6 and now my v30, truly can't wait for root mostly for exposed modules truly. Not at all custom roms. But yeah my nexus did well 2 years before bootlooped. My lg g3 was amazing and had devs. Behind it very much so I hope v30 fans follow.
Well it's been six months since LG G6 was released, and even with T-Mobile version having a so-called unlocked bootloader (but with all ADB flash commands removed) there's 23 pages of people still pledging money and begging for root. At this point the T-mobile LG G6 root thread is dead as a lost cause.
Sure, a dev could come up with magic tomorrow. But who can predict that?
Whereas the LG G6 official carrier unlocked versions have two pages of root, kernels, ROMs. < Go look at all those ROMS! That's where the dev community is... The LG V30 (carrier unlocked versions) will have all that and more.
Here's an open door, here's a brick wall. Which is easier? Of course, the wild card would be exploits devs may find... But with official carrier unlocked versions available, devs don't need to look for exploits.
Root may eventually come to the LG V30 carrier branded versions, but how long are you willing to wait for an exploit that is unknown at this time? With the Verizon Droid Turbo XT1254, it took a full year after release for Sunshine team to find an exploit. Meanwhile, all the other Moto Quark sibling phones (Moto XT1250, Moto XT1225) had root from almost Day 1. We had kernels, ROMs, TWRP recovery... While the Droid Turbo owners looked on in envy. They eventually got to join the party, but before then many users sold their phones and bought something else.
So does anyone know if LG is affected by the newest cpu bugs?
Qualcomm will use that A75 core for its Snapdragon 845, while other Snapdragon lines list the A53 and A72, which are only vulnerable to the two Spectre variants. As we said, Qualcomm uses a mix of custom and off-the-shelf cores; they are probably affected by Spectre, and maybe Meltdown
https://developer.arm.com/support/security-update
Spectre can be a hope for all of us ....
TARGET: GAIN ROOT on Bootloader locked devices too
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Do either of these bugs give elevated privileges or just siphon off cache information for passwords and stuff?
It gives access to everything
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Do either of these bugs give elevated privileges or just siphon off cache information for passwords and stuff?
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The vulnerabilities give malicious code access to anything stored within the kernel memory which includes passwords/privileges. They could also easily inject code into kernel memory space which could do just about anything without anybody knowing about it.
January 2018 security updates blocks the vulnerability but at this time, it's only available on Google devices.
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So does anyone know if LG is affected by the newest cpu bugs?
Qualcomm will use that A75 core for its Snapdragon 845, while other Snapdragon lines list the A53 and A72, which are only vulnerable to the two Spectre variants. As we said, Qualcomm uses a mix of custom and off-the-shelf cores; they are probably affected by Spectre, and maybe Meltdown
https://developer.arm.com/support/security-update
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Yes, all Snapdragon processors are currently affected by this.. It's an interesting concept to utilize an exploit to gain root access. I could also see this being applied to jailbreak an iPhone and potentially port Android over to it.
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The vulnerabilities give malicious code access to anything stored within the kernel memory which includes passwords/privileges. They could also easily inject code into kernel memory space which could do just about anything without anybody knowing about it.
January 2018 security updates blocks the vulnerability but at this time, it's only available on Google devices.
Yes, all Snapdragon processors are currently affected by this... It's an interesting concept to utilize an exploit to gain root access.
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Then we don't necessarily want it blocked until we use it for our own needs, i.e. root.
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The theoretical explanation of how each exploit is performed is outlined on this page: https://meltdownattack.com/
Maybe one of the ROM/Mod developers would know more about being able to achieve this but it's past my pay grade.
the problem with bugs like this is the limitation that /init gives to exploited root shells. dm-verity is also an issue as it blocks the su binary from being dropped into the correct location, so a persistent root is pretty much out of the question. the only thing i could see coming from something like this is a "tethered" root which would be run on a computer every time a user wanted root access. i no longer own LG devices so would not be able to test on my own but would still be interested in working on this with others!
Adding Spectre to the list pointing to a nine to twelve month wait to buy this phone:
1. Spectre, Krack (Jan 2018 Security patch level, will take at least six months to reach V30 factory installed OS, probably Oreo).
2. Bootloader unlock for US998, TWRP and root with "bugs" ironed out.
3. Display problems, may see improvements over the first year of production.
4. Substantial price drops, probably after nine months or when the V40 is about to launch.
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Adding Spectre to the list pointing to a nine to twelve month wait to buy this phone:
1. Spectre, Krack (Jan 2018 Security patch level, will take at least six months to reach V30 factory installed OS, probably Oreo).
2. Bootloader unlock for US998, TWRP and root with "bugs" ironed out.
3. Display problems, may see improvements over the first year of production.
4. Substantial price drops, probably after nine months or when the V40 is about to launch.
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Your list is mostly bogus, with all due respect.
3) I own three of these phones and there are no display problems in my daily use.
4) I paid average $597.33 for two V30 and one V30+ -- both official "open market" US998 from B&H Photo. Less than $600 each. Yes, I used $400 LG Gift card rebate, and B&H Photo gave me partial refund AFTER the sale on the V30+. A friend sold me her extra LG V30 at her "gift card" price of $600. She bought two just to get the gift card discount and split the cost with me. But that's three bootloader unlock eligible (will be) V30/V30+ for less than $600.
I just helped a friend buy a new Verizon LG V30 for $675 on eBay. Still brand new in the box. That was even before the recent price reduction from B&H Photo. There's even better deals on eBay, but that one was totally new, never been used -- and she needed Verizon branded, not open market.
Current price is $675/$775 at B&H Photo for the North America open market 64GB V30/128GB V30+. (I paid less due to gift card rebate.) But not sure how much less price you expect a phone that competes with the Samsung Note 8 to be?
What is your acceptable price for a phone with these specs/features?
2) The LG G6 got bootloader unlock by end of June and had TWRP, root, ROMs by July. The eligible European LG V30/V30 already have bootloader unlock, TWRP and one ROM. North America "open market" LG V30/V30+ will soon join the party. After that, the pace will really pick up.
The variants on the official LG Bootloader Unlock list are the only ones guaranteed root, which we've said since September. It's that way with the LG G6 and is that way with the LG V30. While ways are being investigated for North America carrier-branded variants, and there's always dev magic, there's no need to wait a year to buy this phone.
1) All security patches can be installed by devs on custom ROMs, just like they always are. This is XDA.
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Your list is mostly bogus, with all due respect.
3) I own three of these phones and there are no display problems in my daily use.
4) I paid average $597.33 for two V30 and one V30+ -- both official "open market" US998 from B&H Photo. Less than $600 each. Yes, I used $400 LG Gift card rebate, and B&H Photo gave me partial refund AFTER the sale on the V30+. A friend sold me her extra LG V30 at her "gift card" price of $600. She bought two just to get the gift card discount and split the cost with me. But that's three bootloader unlock eligible (will be) V30/V30+ for less than $600.
I just helped a friend buy a new Verizon LG V30 for $675 on eBay. Still brand new in the box. That was even before the recent price reduction from B&H Photo. There's even better deals on eBay, but that one was totally new, never been used -- and she needed Verizon branded, not open market.
Current price is $675/$775 at B&H Photo for the North America open market 64GB V30/128GB V30+. (I paid less due to gift card rebate.) But not sure how much less price you expect a phone that competes with the Samsung Note 8 to be?
What is your acceptable price for a phone with these specs/features?
2) The LG G6 got bootloader unlock by end of June and had TWRP, root, ROMs by July. The eligible European LG V30/V30 already have bootloader unlock, TWRP and one ROM. North America "open market" LG V30/V30+ will soon join the party. After that, the pace will really pick up.
The variants on the official LG Bootloader Unlock list are the only ones guaranteed root, which we've said since September. It's that way with the LG G6 and is that way with the LG V30. While ways are being investigated for North America carrier-branded variants, and there's always dev magic, there's no need to wait a year for
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Good information.
But:
The evidence from the multitude of users suggests a problem with the display. Unlikely that that one user's 3 units are representative of the population, the distribution of attributes is most likely not random or uniform with this. The burn in (by whatever term) is real, I saw it on units in three T-Mobile stores. That may be related to extended full-bright operation, but the problem is being worked to reduce severity, results likely in months or year (s).
The price drops should eventually reach nearly 40%, toward the one year point. Regarding the $400 off a second LG device required buying a second device, that is not a true discount but rather a loss-leader promotion to move unsold inventory piling up. Ebay is a fleamarket with distinct drawbacks and risks for the buyer, compared to Amazon or B&H. No, the true substantial discounts without gotchas and catches are still 9-12 months away.
There is no bootloader unlock for US998. Period. Who knows when, if ever, that may be released. And no guarantee of root after that, either. We've been reading predictions in this forum, of bootloader unlock a few weeks after US998 release and root a week after that, but the US998 has been shipping for over a month now and no bootloader unlock. Given that Oreo is coming, it may be that bootloader unlock is on hold until Oreo is shipping on factory units, who knows. And on that point, another reason to wait to buy: TWRP and root for N will not work for O, that will require a whole new TWRP and root.
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There is no bootloader unlock for US998. Period. Who knows when, if ever, that may be released.
And no guarantee of root after that, either. .
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There will be bootloader unlocked for the US998. Period.
Yes, there will be guarantee of root after bootloader unlock for the US998. Saying otherwise shows you really don't know what you are talking about. Maybe you don't understand WHY it's called the LG Developer Bootloader unlock list? As I said, your list is mostly bogus.
(The LG G6 took six weeks after release before bootloader unlock. A "month" is nothing to LG apparently. They can't walk and chew gum at the same time.)
You still didn't answer what you think is YOUR acceptable price for a premium device with these specs? Apparently you think it should be priced less than OnePlus crap with no QHD, no Qi wireless, no IP rating? Sure, I'm all for lower price -- give it to me for $1 and I won't complain --
but $675/$775 current pricing is quite fair for brand new "open market" V30/V30+ which will be eligible for bootloader unlock. Or you didn't know about those prices?
By the way, the gift card thing was BEFORE the open market variants were even released. The deadline to buy was December 2. So, it wasn't to move inventory piling up, at least for those "better" models. It was merely the holiday incentives other manufacturers were also giving for Black Friday/Christmas sales. I only qualified because I PRE-ORDERED and paid full price. (B&H Photo also shipped on December 1, before the official December 5 release date, just to make sure. Very nice of them. But it was my preorder "purchase" that still would have qualified me.)
And no a multitude of users don't have problems with the display. The LG V30 display has intensely low brightness, compared to even the LG Pixel 2 XL display -- because Google made their minimum brightness much higher. Some V30 displays at extremely low brightness have cloudiness, but most users do not use that kind of setting. I don't. Pixel 2 XL doesn't because Google won't let the display have that same low brightness. So, go bash Pixel, it's the exact same display. Other OEMs pull the same tricks with OLED displays (setting minimum brightness higher), but LG doesn't. And it's only some displays, while others have super clear very low brightness. For colors to pop you need brightness set higher anyways.
Now, I'm not talking about obvious flaws in OLED panels that slip through. IF you can see banding even at 20, 25%, then something is wrong.
Sent from my official carrier unlocked LG V30+ US998
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There will be bootloader unlocked for the US998. Period.
Yes, there will be guarantee of root after bootloader unlock for the US998. Saying otherwise shows you really don't know what you are talking about. As I said, your list is bogus.
(The LG G6 took six weeks after release before bootloader unlock. A "month" is nothing to LG apparently. They can't walk and chew gum at the same time.)
You still didn't answer what you think is YOUR acceptable price for a premium device with these specs. Apparently you think it should be priced less than OnePlus crap with no QHD, no Qi wireless, no IP rating? Sure, I'm all for lower price, but $675/$775 current pricing is quite fair for brand new open market V30/V30+ which will be eligible for bootloader unlock. Or you didn't know about those prices?
By the way, the gift card thing was BEFORE the open market variants were even released. The deadline to buy was December 2. So, it wasn't to move inventory piling up. It was merely the holiday incentives other manufacturers were also giving for Black Friday/Christmas sales. I only qualified because I PRE-ORDERED.
Sent from my official carrier unlocked LG V30+ US998
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There is an old saying: "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
There is no guarantee of bootloader unlock. Even if it comes eventually, no guarantee of root. (The Samsung S8 SD vs. Exynos thing is a perfect illustration.)
Back to the original post: The Spectre fix is months away for V30, at the soonest, most likely.
Everything else is just talk. Another old saying: " Talk is cheap ".
"A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
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the problem with bugs like this is the limitation that /init gives to exploited root shells. dm-verity is also an issue as it blocks the su binary from being dropped into the correct location, so a persistent root is pretty much out of the question. the only thing i could see coming from something like this is a "tethered" root which would be run on a computer every time a user wanted root access. i no longer own LG devices so would not be able to test on my own but would still be interested in working on this with others!
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I'd be willing to work with you, I can definitely test, as far as doing the creation of it, I really want to get into it but don't know where to start. Think we could get in touch?
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the problem with bugs like this is the limitation that /init gives to exploited root shells. dm-verity is also an issue as it blocks the su binary from being dropped into the correct location, so a persistent root is pretty much out of the question. the only thing i could see coming from something like this is a "tethered" root which would be run on a computer every time a user wanted root access. i no longer own LG devices so would not be able to test on my own but would still be interested in working on this with others!
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please, give us tethered root too !
This can be a Great thing for us
I'm here too with my device if need for test, tell me where to meet us
I'm a new owner of my very own V30 as of yesterday. For 8 years, I've been the proud owner of nexus devices, starting from the galaxy nexus, then nexus 4, 5, 6p. I've never owned a "common folk" phone such as the v30. But, with Google going off the face of the planet with deleting the 3.5mm jack I just couldn't buy another Google phone (sigh)
So a question : when LG places the v30 on the dev bootloader unlock whitelist, like the v20, will the warranty still be voided if the bootloader is unlocked?
I liked my Lineage aka cyanogenmod, root apps, xposed, tasker. But frankly the v30 is more than good enough stock for me to use day to day (my phone is an oauth key, calendar, media player, web browser, and IOT remote controller, none of which get much benefit from root). Still, it'd be nice to know what to expect from LG.. Reaally for the fact that ad block root was so good.
There used to be a time when oem android was so bad that it was unusable without flashing with your own stuff... And that's very different now. Just wondering.
Agreed about Google removing headphone jack, especially after making fun of Apple doing it a year ago. Hypocrisy much?
What V30 variant did you get? Is yours eligible for bootloader unlock? Either open market LG US998 or H930 are the two V30 eligible for bootloader unlock with full flash commands available. (The T-Mobile variant has "fake" bootloader unlock, with most flash commands stripped out.)
Yes, warranty is voided with that bootloader unlock. You get an unlock code in exchange for agreeing to void warranty, from the LG Developer Bootloader Unlock list website.
You can either have warranty or own your phone...
Motorola does the same thing, for their phones which are eligible for bootloader unlock.
Sent from my official open market LG US998 V30+
Depending which version you have it may not get unlocked at all. I've got the H930DS and there's a good chance it will never be unlocked.
Also regarding warranty it depends a lot on which country you are in, if it is the US then yea, you will probably lose warranty completely. In a lot of other countries they cannot legally void the hardware warranty for software modifications. It also matters which distributor is providing the warranty service or whether it is LG themselves, not all distributors are the same.
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I'm a new owner of my very own V30 as of yesterday. For 8 years, I've been the proud owner of nexus devices, starting from the galaxy nexus, then nexus 4, 5, 6p. I've never owned a "common folk" phone such as the v30. But, with Google going off the face of the planet with deleting the 3.5mm jack I just couldn't buy another Google phone (sigh)
So a question : when LG places the v30 on the dev bootloader unlock whitelist, like the v20, will the warranty still be voided if the bootloader is unlocked?
I liked my Lineage aka cyanogenmod, root apps, xposed, tasker. But frankly the v30 is more than good enough stock for me to use day to day (my phone is an oauth key, calendar, media player, web browser, and IOT remote controller, none of which get much benefit from root). Still, it'd be nice to know what to expect from LG.. Reaally for the fact that ad block root was so good.
There used to be a time when oem android was so bad that it was unusable without flashing with your own stuff... And that's very different now. Just wondering.
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see ChazzMatts posts in various threads... his info is tight.
this phone is great out of the box, but man is it WAY better when it's got root and the right ROM... speaking for myself. so, depending on which variant you have, the old days may be possible for you.
i was a flashaholic somewhat, but on this phone US998 unlocked, i got lucky that the first ROM I've flashed will [hopefully] be my last. exactly what i wanted. and with the tweaks it flies, fastest phone I've ever used. the audio is SPECTACULAR... talking about the WETA rom, the one mentioned above. really super happy over here. i am honestly surprised how everything fell into place on this new phone project. now to sell my HTC10. the audio (and display) on the V30 is light years ahead of the HTC if that's saying anything.
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Agreed about Google removing headphone jack, especially after making fun of Apple doing it a year ago. Hypocrisy much?
What V30 variant did you get? Is yours eligible for bootloader unlock? Either open market LG US998 or H930 are the two V30 eligible for bootloader unlock with full flash commands available. (The T-Mobile variant has "fake" bootloader unlock, with most flash commands stripped out.)
Yes, warranty is voided with that bootloader unlock. You get an unlock code in exchange for agreeing to void warranty, from the LG Developer Bootloader Unlock list website.
You can either have warranty or own your phone...
Motorola does the same thing, for their phones which are eligible for bootloader unlock.
Sent from my official open market LG US998 V30+
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Unfortunately I have a h932 (tmo version). So that's how it is... Meh I'm not in too big a need for the unlock especially since it's a newish released phone and there's always a chance there's a recall. I was just curious if LG typically opens up their older product line for a potential unlock in the future.
Thanks for the info!
The only way the Tmo version gets a Bootloader unlock is either Engineering Bootstack being released in the wild or someone cracks the security. Unfortunately the likelihood of any of that happening is slim to none. Either replace it with a US998/H930 or be happy with never getting root/unlocked.
With that being said, there really isn't much dev going on for this phone unfortunately and I doubt that will really change much. LG has a lot of negativity from previous failures and accountability so most devs have merely over looked this phone or written LG off completely. Kinda like the failure that is happening over at HTC.
Fortunately there are some sharp and tenacious devs working on the T-Mo models. In the post linked below, @runningnak3d expressed a more optimistic prognosis for the H932. Given his work and skills, and the efforts being made by him and others in that thread, that makes me optimistic too.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=75678105
And there are other tireless devs and users working on it in the H932 root thread:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3690577
Velrix said:
LG has a lot of negativity from previous failures and accountability so most devs have merely over looked this phone or written LG off completely.
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If that's true, that's a shame. Lot of devs were working on the LG G6 open market models and the V30 is much better. LG really has a winner with this phone.
I think part of the problem is LG still hasn't officially added the US998 V30 to the LG Bootloader Unlock list (only the H930 and H930G). While waiting for the official announcement, and waiting and waiting... @gwillmer found out by accident the US998 V30 bootloader could be unlocked. How long had all those IMEI codes been in the database? And LG didn't tell us? And the V30+ US998 still can't be unlocked (which is the more desirable model). (I own both.) I think if that had happened (getting bootloader unlock for both) back in November/December, devs would be all over this phone.
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Fortunately there are some sharp and tenacious devs working on the T-Mo models. In the post linked below, @runningnak3d expressed a more optimistic prognosis for the H932. Given his work and skills, and the efforts being made by him and others in that thread, that makes me optimistic too.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=75678105
And there are other tireless devs and users working on it in the H932 root thread:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3690577
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I highly doubt without a engineering bootstack or some other hack they will ever get root on that phone. Even if they do, its doubtful it will be much more than that. They have yet to do it on the G6 model so don't expect it here anytime soon.
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If that's true, that's a shame. Lot of devs were working on the LG G6 open market models and the V30 is much better. LG really has a winner with this phone.
I think part of the problem is LG still hasn't officially added the US998 V30 to the LG Bootloader Unlock list (only the H930 and H930G). While waiting for the official announcement, and waiting and waiting... @gwillmer found out by accident the US998 V30 bootloader could be unlocked. How long had all those IMEI codes been in the database? And LG didn't tell us? And the V30+ US998 still can't be unlocked (which is the more desirable model). (I own both.) I think if that had happened (getting bootloader unlock for both) back in November/December, devs would be all over this phone.
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That's the problem, people (devs/enthusiast) just lost hope/trust in the company in general and this just puts the nail in the coffin. Now we have a new device being released later this year when most people just got their unlocked phones a few months back. LG did great with the V30 but they are being extremely anti developer with their actions, and honestly why wouldn't they be. Their money is in the average consumer which will never care about root/bootloader unlocking.
I really hope this changes for the good and they allow the + to be unlocked but until then, this platform may not have a ton of dev support.
When was the G6+ (US997U) released? It's still not on the bootloader unlock list, either... and wouldn't it have come out well before the V30? I can't seem to find an exact date that it was first listed for sale, but how long would we expect them to wait to add any new phone to the list? There's the Prime-Exclusive version that categorically will NOT get a bootloader unlock, but B&H and BestBuy both sell a factory-unlocked version too.
I'm having doubts that the V30+ will be added to the bootloader unlock list. If they really do it "for developers" then they really only need to support the base model V30, as the PLUS and the ThinQ just add more storage space and the rest of the hardware is identical.
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THANK YOU
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Not sure what you are thanking about. This thread from February 2018 now has a lot of outdated information. We no longer need the LG's approval for bootloader unlock.
This is the 2nd post post where you have just said thank you for information that's not really that helpful any more (outdated). Seems you are padding your post count?
EDIT: YES, NOW WE KNOW. Padding post count so he could spam with ads once he had enough posts. Now he's been banned...
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We can't all go back and edit old posts with newer information, which is why there's always a danger to "dig up" old threads like this. What I said 6 months ago may conflict with what I'm saying right now, but that's because of newer information, newer developments. Just this week, H932 T-Mobile V30/V30+ got ROOT. You will find tons of posts where we say that's NOT possible. Well, it wasn't THEN. It is NOW.
Same with bootloader unlock for non-Open Market V30. We thought we needed LG approval. In mid-May we found we don't, thanks to @TxanMoe.
My LG G2 just died and I'm looking for a replacement. LG V30 (EU version) looks pretty good, but I have a few questions.
Just like with my G2 I would have to get rid of LG software and flash lineage but that means no lg "features" and here lies the question.
Is there anything gamechanging I would lose?
From what I've read the quad DAC doesn't work but I dont have any audiophile grade headphones so regular snapdragon DAC should get the job done just fine, but what about the camera.
The main reason I'm looking into this phone is the camera, waterproofing and heaphone jack (S8 has also these features but lineage is broken on that thing and I won't touch touchwiz).
So how is the camera on non stock roms? Do I still have acces to the wide angle one and other goodies?
If there is anything else I'm missing please let me know.
You can install both GCam builds one for the main camera and one for the wide angle camera, so you have 2 different apps for each back camera.
As for the quad dac - you can use it:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=77389334&postcount=15
Onkyo HF Player
USB Audio Player PRO
both are able to utilize the quad dac,
with the 2nd you can even use it with streaming
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=77426758&postcount=5
not entirely sure about qnovo but it's an in-kernel driver so it also seems to be used on ROMs different from LG's Stock ROM
zacharias.maladroit said:
You can install both GCam builds one for the main camera and one for the wide angle camera, so you have 2 different apps for each back camera.
As for the quad dac - you can use it:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=77426758&postcount=5
not entirely sure about qnovo but it's an in-kernel driver so it also seems to be used on ROMs different from LG's Stock ROM
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Thanks. I'm pleasently surprised by that DAC. Thought I would have to give that up for sure.
2 apps for camera is annoying but as long as it takes good photos it doesn't really matter. Is the camera still good on aosp roms?
I know people usually praise Gcam and from reviews this phone has good camera but I figured I might as well ask.
Anything else I should know? I know the speaker is not the best but after the G2 speaker anything is going to be great
FROM A PM, but relevant here.
eBay daywide sale August 28,2018: code "PREGAME15" (15% off anything)
Some LS998 V30+questions
Stormwing said:
I've been looking for a modern, rootable, and bootloader unlockable replacement for my rather aged phone (Sony Xperia Z3v) and after realizing the S8 is horribly locked down my search has led me to your extensive body of experience and research involving the LS998 V30+, to a point where I'm pretty sure it's the one. But because I've fallen off the development wagon for so long I hope you won't mind if I ask you a couple things since you are the resident expert:
Given it's a Sprint device, the LS998 should be fine on Verizon, correct? And should be okay overseas as well?
I haven't really ROM'd since the Gingerbread/ICS days on my old Droids, will this be able to offer a similarly open experience?
Is the $315 eBay one a reliable buy? No issues with the screen (burn in, graying) or condition?
eBay's running one of their sitewide 15% off sales today (PREGAME15) and I'm thinking about pulling the trigger.
Thanks for your time!
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This same dealer also has MINT US998 V30+ for $310 right now. Not sure why it's less than the LS998, but not only is it $5 cheaper but with the 15% discount, that makes it less than $264.... I fully expect it's probably already a converted LS998, but that still saves you one step in bootloader unlock and rooting..
BACK TO YOUR QUESTION.
YES, pull the trigger -- on either.
For the LS998 V30+ $315 - 15% = less than $268 for MINT LS998 V30+. I've bought two LS998 from this dealer -- gave one to my sister, gave the other to my wife (both converted to US998).
Just make sure you ONLY stick to the "mint" for sale (9/10) from this dealer. Don't buy the "good", "very good" -- ONLY MINT.
Yes, the "LS998" will work on Verizon, but not as you buy it. As you easily modify it, with Frankenstein. You'll convert the LS998 first to US998 to sim card unlock/network unlock and make it Verizon-compatible -- with all proper CDMA and LTE bands, blah, blah, blah. At this point you could use it on Verizon since you now have a carrier unlocked US998 V30+, meant to be used on all North American carriers.
http://www.lg.com/us/cell-phones/lg-US998-Unlocked-v30
US998
CDMA: 800 MHz CDMA
2G GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G UMTS (HSPA):850/900/1900/2100 MHz
4G LTE Bands: 1/2/3/4/5/7/12(17)/13/20/25/66
ANY North American V30 variant (AT&T H931, Verizon VS996, Sprint LS998, carrier unlocked US998, Canadian H933, regional AS998) can be converted to any other North American V30 variant (except for T-mobile H932) with dev patched LGUP (a.k.a. Frankenstein) The only reason the Sprint LS998 seems more popular is for some reason it was ridiculously cheap on eBay as no one wanted carrier locked down Sprint phones. The Verizon, AT&T, even carrier unlocked US998 were going for $200 more. Then, we found out you could CONVERT the LS998 V30+ to any other North American V30+ and carrier unlock it in the process. Woo hoo! This then reached epic proportions when you add bootloader unlock and root to the mix.
OR you could convert straight to Verizon VS996 from LS998 -- and make it be a Verizon V30+ (which Verizon doesn't actually sell, they only sell the V30). However, let's not confuse you and let's say you convert eBay LS998 V30+ to US998 V30+ for right now...
But wait, there's more! NOW that you have US998, this means you also have fastboot flash commands. You have also converted to an US998 Oreo KDZ with wonderful bootloader unlock exploit. So, at this point we now go on to the WTF bootloader unlock and root. You unlock bootloader, install TWRP, and root.
OK, you started with an LS998 V30+. You converted to US998 V30+ to carrier unlock the phone AND get fastboot flash commands. You've now unlocked the bootloader, installed TWRP and rooted the phone. 30 minutes have gone by. What are you going to do with the rest of the day?
Well... here's where it gets interesting. AT THIS POINT, you can call it a day, stick in your Verizon SIM card and be happy. OR you can flash the VS996 TWRP-flashable stock "ROM" @westwood24 made for us (basically the latest Verizon update as a TWRP flashable zip file, but with TWRP custom recovery). Now you have Verizon firmware and modem on your phone -- but still have TWRP and root.
(Sprint users feeling left out, yes there's ways to flash back to Sprint firmware. Or you can go flash custom ROMs and just use Sprint APNs and modem.)
Back to @Stormwing's question. You can even flash custom ROMs, if you wish.
Other Verizon users can chime in at this point if they want, to give you suggestions.
Wow @ChazzMatt, thanks for that incredibly thorough rundown! Is there risk in going for that $310 perhaps-preconverted 'US998' model? It does seem a little fishy as it's cheaper yet possibly better, and if the difference is just $5 I'm inclined to go for your tried and tested LS998.
All I want is a reliable handset that works on Big Red and can flash ROMs and I'll be a very happy camper. It's been too long since I've had an unlocked bootloader.
Stormwing said:
Wow @ChazzMatt, thanks for that incredibly thorough rundown! Is there risk in going for that $310 perhaps-preconverted 'US998' model? It does seem a little fishy as it's cheaper yet possibly better, and if the difference is just $5 I'm inclined to go for your tried and tested LS998.
All I want is a reliable handset that works on Big Red and can flash ROMs and I'll be a very happy camper. It's been too long since I've had an unlocked bootloader.
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The only "drawback" I can think of is if this US998 already has 20D. Then you'd have temporarily flash 20A or 20B to get back to Oreo with bootloader unlock exploit. But you would have to flash that any way with LS998 (first to US998 Nougat, then US998 Oreo 20A or 20B).
So, you're still saving a step.
My brother in law just ordered this US998 V30+ yesterday, before the 15% sale code. I can't tell him, he'll be mad. But he dunked his old phone in water and needs a new phone fast. He's not into rooting and stuff, he just wants a good phone. And this one is IP68.
wow..I just happened to stumble onto this thread while searching on V30+. Just bought one w/ the 15% off. Thank you sir!!
Ok good to know, thanks. Unfortunately I ran into some technical difficulties with PayPal and ended up missing it. Guess I'll be joining you guys the next time one of these promos roll around....
I have just 2 things to say, 1) the selfie camera's quality is quite embarrassing, Gcam makes it better but you have to choose the longer shutter option and stay still for 3 seconds
2) Check the screen on low brightness for any inconsistencies of the notorious P-OLED
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I have just 2 things to say, 1) the selfie camera's quality is quite embarrassing, Gcam makes it better but you have to choose the longer shutter option and stay still for 3 seconds
2) Check the screen on low brightness for any inconsistencies of the notorious P-OLED
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No one is going to defend the selfie cam in the V30. Oreo did make it better. (On Nougat you had to turn off the skin enhancement setting.)
Since I don't use my phone display at very low brightness, that's not an issue for me. You lose vibrancy and colors of OLED displays at low brightness. I've owned five of these phones (gave two to relatives) and know five more relatives/friends who bought for themselves. We all keep the displays at normal brightness, so the topic has never come up. For me "normal" is anything over 50%. I keep mine on 70%.
Sent via open market LG US998 V30/V30+
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Stormwing said:
Ok good to know, thanks. Unfortunately I ran into some technical difficulties with PayPal and ended up missing it. Guess I'll be joining you guys the next time one of these promos roll around....
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Well, even without the 15% it's not a bad price. $310.
With Labor day weekend coming up, there may be another sale code
Sent via open market LG US998 V30/V30+
Just got me phone from the ebay seller above (thanks ChazzMatt) looks to be in primo shape (beside a small scratch on the screen - WHY do ppl use phones without scree protector?!)
Question: security patch date April 1 2018 , SW US99810d, Android 7.1
Am I good to root as is, or do I still need to Frankenstein it first. A little confused from number (10,20) and letters (a.b.d)of all the sws
thank s!!
should I return this?
Kind of bummed about this 1/2" scratch right in the center of my 9/10 phone . Would you return it ?
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Kind of bummed about this 1/2" scratch right in the center of my 9/10 phone . Would you return it ?
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Yes, return it. That's not mint. I got two without screen scratches and my brother in law just got his yesterday with no display scratches.
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christoophat said:
Just got me phone from the ebay seller above (thanks ChazzMatt) looks to be in primo shape (beside a small scratch on the screen - WHY do ppl use phones without scree protector?!)
Question: security patch date April 1 2018 , SW US99810d, Android 7.1
Am I good to root as is, or do I still need to Frankenstein it first. A little confused from number (10,20) and letters (a.b.d)of all the sws
thank s!!
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10 means Nougat
20 is Oreo
You are half way through Frankenstein. You still need to upgrade to "safe" Oreo.
And d means the exploit is patched then? sorry newbish on these phones I am.
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And d means the exploit is patched then? sorry newbish on these phones I am.
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No. The letter is just the software version. B comes before C. Etc.
But US998 20D has the July 2018 security patch that blocks the bootloader unlock exploit where we don't need LG's permission.
For Europe it's 20Y.
You can look at the date in the file name and roughly tell which update has (most of time). Any with July and later, stay away from. I can think of one H930DS model where an early July update still had June security patch, but that's the rare exception.
Any July 2018 or later, stay away from until bootloader unlock. If you get one like that, you can still temporarily downgrade to unlock bootloader. Just don't install on purpose until she after you unlock the bootloader or you're making extra work for yourself for no reason.
Heads up everyone: eBay is doing a Labor Day promo for 20% off with the code JUSTRELAX
I'm an idiot. It's restricted to certain sellers only again.
HOWEVER the seller has raised the prices in anticipation and the aforementioned LS998 is now $288 after the code, but the US998 is happily still at $264 after the code. @christoophat, were you able to return yours though? And @ChazzMatt, besides the screen, how was the condition of the your brother's phone?
Stormwing said:
Heads up everyone: eBay is doing a Labor Day promo for 20% off with the code JUSTRELAX
HOWEVER the seller has raised the prices in anticipation and the aforementioned LS998 is now $288 after the code, but the US998 is happily still at $264 after the code. @christoophat, were you able to return yours though? And @ChazzMatt, besides the screen, how was the condition of the your brother's phone?
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The seller was a bit hard to get hold of, took 3 emails thru ebay to finally get him to respond, to offer to get it returned for a replacement. Hopefully the return gets processed soon & he still has an actuall 9/10 phone left to exchange it with. Where do you find out about the ebay sales? I never get any emails from ebay about them...
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The seller was a bit hard to get hold of, took 3 emails thru ebay to finally get him to respond, to offer to get it returned for a replacement. Hopefully the return gets processed soon & he still has an actuall 9/10 phone left to exchange it with. Where do you find out about the ebay sales? I never get any emails from ebay about them...
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Hmmm I wonder if I should give it a shot then. I only found out about the last one via The Verge and I found this one by looking up eBay on Slickdeals. I actually set up a Slickdeals account and added an eBay alert but that didn't seem to do anything.
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Hmmm I wonder if I should give it a shot then. I only found out about the last one via The Verge and I found this one by looking up eBay on Slickdeals. I actually set up a Slickdeals account and added an eBay alert but that didn't seem to do anything.
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I'm wondering if, during these sales, that ebay covers the balance for the sellers that's taken off during them. My invoice shows the full price ($309), but I only paid $263.
And yes, I noticed that the average prices for V30s have spiked up a bit. 20% off is a sweet deal. Also found a killer Tech21 Evo Check case for $8.
Stormwing said:
Heads up everyone: eBay is doing a Labor Day promo for 20% off with the code JUSTRELAX
HOWEVER the seller has raised the prices in anticipation and the aforementioned LS998 is now $288 after the code, but the US998 is happily still at $264 after the code. @christoophat, were you able to return yours though? And @ChazzMatt, besides the screen, how was the condition of the your brother's phone?
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Here's his text:
"Mine is mint ! Really clean. $310 is unbelievable!"
I didn't tell him if he'd waited a day, he could have gotten it for much less. He needed a phone due to water damage.
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christoophat said:
Where do you find out about the ebay sales? I never get any emails from ebay about them...
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I see notifications in the eBay app.