My LG G2 just died and I'm looking for a replacement. LG V30 (EU version) looks pretty good, but I have a few questions.
Just like with my G2 I would have to get rid of LG software and flash lineage but that means no lg "features" and here lies the question.
Is there anything gamechanging I would lose?
From what I've read the quad DAC doesn't work but I dont have any audiophile grade headphones so regular snapdragon DAC should get the job done just fine, but what about the camera.
The main reason I'm looking into this phone is the camera, waterproofing and heaphone jack (S8 has also these features but lineage is broken on that thing and I won't touch touchwiz).
So how is the camera on non stock roms? Do I still have acces to the wide angle one and other goodies?
If there is anything else I'm missing please let me know.
You can install both GCam builds one for the main camera and one for the wide angle camera, so you have 2 different apps for each back camera.
As for the quad dac - you can use it:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=77389334&postcount=15
Onkyo HF Player
USB Audio Player PRO
both are able to utilize the quad dac,
with the 2nd you can even use it with streaming
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=77426758&postcount=5
not entirely sure about qnovo but it's an in-kernel driver so it also seems to be used on ROMs different from LG's Stock ROM
zacharias.maladroit said:
You can install both GCam builds one for the main camera and one for the wide angle camera, so you have 2 different apps for each back camera.
As for the quad dac - you can use it:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=77426758&postcount=5
not entirely sure about qnovo but it's an in-kernel driver so it also seems to be used on ROMs different from LG's Stock ROM
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Thanks. I'm pleasently surprised by that DAC. Thought I would have to give that up for sure.
2 apps for camera is annoying but as long as it takes good photos it doesn't really matter. Is the camera still good on aosp roms?
I know people usually praise Gcam and from reviews this phone has good camera but I figured I might as well ask.
Anything else I should know? I know the speaker is not the best but after the G2 speaker anything is going to be great
FROM A PM, but relevant here.
eBay daywide sale August 28,2018: code "PREGAME15" (15% off anything)
Some LS998 V30+questions
Stormwing said:
I've been looking for a modern, rootable, and bootloader unlockable replacement for my rather aged phone (Sony Xperia Z3v) and after realizing the S8 is horribly locked down my search has led me to your extensive body of experience and research involving the LS998 V30+, to a point where I'm pretty sure it's the one. But because I've fallen off the development wagon for so long I hope you won't mind if I ask you a couple things since you are the resident expert:
Given it's a Sprint device, the LS998 should be fine on Verizon, correct? And should be okay overseas as well?
I haven't really ROM'd since the Gingerbread/ICS days on my old Droids, will this be able to offer a similarly open experience?
Is the $315 eBay one a reliable buy? No issues with the screen (burn in, graying) or condition?
eBay's running one of their sitewide 15% off sales today (PREGAME15) and I'm thinking about pulling the trigger.
Thanks for your time!
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This same dealer also has MINT US998 V30+ for $310 right now. Not sure why it's less than the LS998, but not only is it $5 cheaper but with the 15% discount, that makes it less than $264.... I fully expect it's probably already a converted LS998, but that still saves you one step in bootloader unlock and rooting..
BACK TO YOUR QUESTION.
YES, pull the trigger -- on either.
For the LS998 V30+ $315 - 15% = less than $268 for MINT LS998 V30+. I've bought two LS998 from this dealer -- gave one to my sister, gave the other to my wife (both converted to US998).
Just make sure you ONLY stick to the "mint" for sale (9/10) from this dealer. Don't buy the "good", "very good" -- ONLY MINT.
Yes, the "LS998" will work on Verizon, but not as you buy it. As you easily modify it, with Frankenstein. You'll convert the LS998 first to US998 to sim card unlock/network unlock and make it Verizon-compatible -- with all proper CDMA and LTE bands, blah, blah, blah. At this point you could use it on Verizon since you now have a carrier unlocked US998 V30+, meant to be used on all North American carriers.
http://www.lg.com/us/cell-phones/lg-US998-Unlocked-v30
US998
CDMA: 800 MHz CDMA
2G GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G UMTS (HSPA):850/900/1900/2100 MHz
4G LTE Bands: 1/2/3/4/5/7/12(17)/13/20/25/66
ANY North American V30 variant (AT&T H931, Verizon VS996, Sprint LS998, carrier unlocked US998, Canadian H933, regional AS998) can be converted to any other North American V30 variant (except for T-mobile H932) with dev patched LGUP (a.k.a. Frankenstein) The only reason the Sprint LS998 seems more popular is for some reason it was ridiculously cheap on eBay as no one wanted carrier locked down Sprint phones. The Verizon, AT&T, even carrier unlocked US998 were going for $200 more. Then, we found out you could CONVERT the LS998 V30+ to any other North American V30+ and carrier unlock it in the process. Woo hoo! This then reached epic proportions when you add bootloader unlock and root to the mix.
OR you could convert straight to Verizon VS996 from LS998 -- and make it be a Verizon V30+ (which Verizon doesn't actually sell, they only sell the V30). However, let's not confuse you and let's say you convert eBay LS998 V30+ to US998 V30+ for right now...
But wait, there's more! NOW that you have US998, this means you also have fastboot flash commands. You have also converted to an US998 Oreo KDZ with wonderful bootloader unlock exploit. So, at this point we now go on to the WTF bootloader unlock and root. You unlock bootloader, install TWRP, and root.
OK, you started with an LS998 V30+. You converted to US998 V30+ to carrier unlock the phone AND get fastboot flash commands. You've now unlocked the bootloader, installed TWRP and rooted the phone. 30 minutes have gone by. What are you going to do with the rest of the day?
Well... here's where it gets interesting. AT THIS POINT, you can call it a day, stick in your Verizon SIM card and be happy. OR you can flash the VS996 TWRP-flashable stock "ROM" @westwood24 made for us (basically the latest Verizon update as a TWRP flashable zip file, but with TWRP custom recovery). Now you have Verizon firmware and modem on your phone -- but still have TWRP and root.
(Sprint users feeling left out, yes there's ways to flash back to Sprint firmware. Or you can go flash custom ROMs and just use Sprint APNs and modem.)
Back to @Stormwing's question. You can even flash custom ROMs, if you wish.
Other Verizon users can chime in at this point if they want, to give you suggestions.
Wow @ChazzMatt, thanks for that incredibly thorough rundown! Is there risk in going for that $310 perhaps-preconverted 'US998' model? It does seem a little fishy as it's cheaper yet possibly better, and if the difference is just $5 I'm inclined to go for your tried and tested LS998.
All I want is a reliable handset that works on Big Red and can flash ROMs and I'll be a very happy camper. It's been too long since I've had an unlocked bootloader.
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Wow @ChazzMatt, thanks for that incredibly thorough rundown! Is there risk in going for that $310 perhaps-preconverted 'US998' model? It does seem a little fishy as it's cheaper yet possibly better, and if the difference is just $5 I'm inclined to go for your tried and tested LS998.
All I want is a reliable handset that works on Big Red and can flash ROMs and I'll be a very happy camper. It's been too long since I've had an unlocked bootloader.
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The only "drawback" I can think of is if this US998 already has 20D. Then you'd have temporarily flash 20A or 20B to get back to Oreo with bootloader unlock exploit. But you would have to flash that any way with LS998 (first to US998 Nougat, then US998 Oreo 20A or 20B).
So, you're still saving a step.
My brother in law just ordered this US998 V30+ yesterday, before the 15% sale code. I can't tell him, he'll be mad. But he dunked his old phone in water and needs a new phone fast. He's not into rooting and stuff, he just wants a good phone. And this one is IP68.
wow..I just happened to stumble onto this thread while searching on V30+. Just bought one w/ the 15% off. Thank you sir!!
Ok good to know, thanks. Unfortunately I ran into some technical difficulties with PayPal and ended up missing it. Guess I'll be joining you guys the next time one of these promos roll around....
I have just 2 things to say, 1) the selfie camera's quality is quite embarrassing, Gcam makes it better but you have to choose the longer shutter option and stay still for 3 seconds
2) Check the screen on low brightness for any inconsistencies of the notorious P-OLED
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I have just 2 things to say, 1) the selfie camera's quality is quite embarrassing, Gcam makes it better but you have to choose the longer shutter option and stay still for 3 seconds
2) Check the screen on low brightness for any inconsistencies of the notorious P-OLED
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No one is going to defend the selfie cam in the V30. Oreo did make it better. (On Nougat you had to turn off the skin enhancement setting.)
Since I don't use my phone display at very low brightness, that's not an issue for me. You lose vibrancy and colors of OLED displays at low brightness. I've owned five of these phones (gave two to relatives) and know five more relatives/friends who bought for themselves. We all keep the displays at normal brightness, so the topic has never come up. For me "normal" is anything over 50%. I keep mine on 70%.
Sent via open market LG US998 V30/V30+
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Ok good to know, thanks. Unfortunately I ran into some technical difficulties with PayPal and ended up missing it. Guess I'll be joining you guys the next time one of these promos roll around....
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Well, even without the 15% it's not a bad price. $310.
With Labor day weekend coming up, there may be another sale code
Sent via open market LG US998 V30/V30+
Just got me phone from the ebay seller above (thanks ChazzMatt) looks to be in primo shape (beside a small scratch on the screen - WHY do ppl use phones without scree protector?!)
Question: security patch date April 1 2018 , SW US99810d, Android 7.1
Am I good to root as is, or do I still need to Frankenstein it first. A little confused from number (10,20) and letters (a.b.d)of all the sws
thank s!!
should I return this?
Kind of bummed about this 1/2" scratch right in the center of my 9/10 phone . Would you return it ?
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Kind of bummed about this 1/2" scratch right in the center of my 9/10 phone . Would you return it ?
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Yes, return it. That's not mint. I got two without screen scratches and my brother in law just got his yesterday with no display scratches.
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christoophat said:
Just got me phone from the ebay seller above (thanks ChazzMatt) looks to be in primo shape (beside a small scratch on the screen - WHY do ppl use phones without scree protector?!)
Question: security patch date April 1 2018 , SW US99810d, Android 7.1
Am I good to root as is, or do I still need to Frankenstein it first. A little confused from number (10,20) and letters (a.b.d)of all the sws
thank s!!
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10 means Nougat
20 is Oreo
You are half way through Frankenstein. You still need to upgrade to "safe" Oreo.
And d means the exploit is patched then? sorry newbish on these phones I am.
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And d means the exploit is patched then? sorry newbish on these phones I am.
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No. The letter is just the software version. B comes before C. Etc.
But US998 20D has the July 2018 security patch that blocks the bootloader unlock exploit where we don't need LG's permission.
For Europe it's 20Y.
You can look at the date in the file name and roughly tell which update has (most of time). Any with July and later, stay away from. I can think of one H930DS model where an early July update still had June security patch, but that's the rare exception.
Any July 2018 or later, stay away from until bootloader unlock. If you get one like that, you can still temporarily downgrade to unlock bootloader. Just don't install on purpose until she after you unlock the bootloader or you're making extra work for yourself for no reason.
Heads up everyone: eBay is doing a Labor Day promo for 20% off with the code JUSTRELAX
I'm an idiot. It's restricted to certain sellers only again.
HOWEVER the seller has raised the prices in anticipation and the aforementioned LS998 is now $288 after the code, but the US998 is happily still at $264 after the code. @christoophat, were you able to return yours though? And @ChazzMatt, besides the screen, how was the condition of the your brother's phone?
Stormwing said:
Heads up everyone: eBay is doing a Labor Day promo for 20% off with the code JUSTRELAX
HOWEVER the seller has raised the prices in anticipation and the aforementioned LS998 is now $288 after the code, but the US998 is happily still at $264 after the code. @christoophat, were you able to return yours though? And @ChazzMatt, besides the screen, how was the condition of the your brother's phone?
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The seller was a bit hard to get hold of, took 3 emails thru ebay to finally get him to respond, to offer to get it returned for a replacement. Hopefully the return gets processed soon & he still has an actuall 9/10 phone left to exchange it with. Where do you find out about the ebay sales? I never get any emails from ebay about them...
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The seller was a bit hard to get hold of, took 3 emails thru ebay to finally get him to respond, to offer to get it returned for a replacement. Hopefully the return gets processed soon & he still has an actuall 9/10 phone left to exchange it with. Where do you find out about the ebay sales? I never get any emails from ebay about them...
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Hmmm I wonder if I should give it a shot then. I only found out about the last one via The Verge and I found this one by looking up eBay on Slickdeals. I actually set up a Slickdeals account and added an eBay alert but that didn't seem to do anything.
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Hmmm I wonder if I should give it a shot then. I only found out about the last one via The Verge and I found this one by looking up eBay on Slickdeals. I actually set up a Slickdeals account and added an eBay alert but that didn't seem to do anything.
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I'm wondering if, during these sales, that ebay covers the balance for the sellers that's taken off during them. My invoice shows the full price ($309), but I only paid $263.
And yes, I noticed that the average prices for V30s have spiked up a bit. 20% off is a sweet deal. Also found a killer Tech21 Evo Check case for $8.
Stormwing said:
Heads up everyone: eBay is doing a Labor Day promo for 20% off with the code JUSTRELAX
HOWEVER the seller has raised the prices in anticipation and the aforementioned LS998 is now $288 after the code, but the US998 is happily still at $264 after the code. @christoophat, were you able to return yours though? And @ChazzMatt, besides the screen, how was the condition of the your brother's phone?
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Here's his text:
"Mine is mint ! Really clean. $310 is unbelievable!"
I didn't tell him if he'd waited a day, he could have gotten it for much less. He needed a phone due to water damage.
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Where do you find out about the ebay sales? I never get any emails from ebay about them...
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I see notifications in the eBay app.
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Has LG in the past granted the carrier promos to buyers of the carrier unlocked models? I really don't want the silver color + 64g is kinda small.
Are there typically a lot of DEV stuff going on for the last few carrier unlocked versions?
Going all the way back to the vzw Droid 1, rooting has always had it's advantages. Mainly being getting the OS updates quicker. That was the biggest selling point.. not waiting for your carrier to package the latest OTA update. But I look around these days, and in order to root it seems you have to be on a very old build, and it just never gets updated? Not only that but it seems to bring on major issues like no text or data, or can't dial out, etc. I mean wow these are kinda show stoppers. I stopped flashing ROMs because there were so many that just dragged and dropped files/apps from other phones. It's like they were frankenstein builds pieced together with apps from new phones, with varying CPU/GPU packages. All ROMs I've read about seem to say 'Optimized', 'Tweaked' etc, but never.. I mean never lay out any technical specifics of what they coded , changed, or added. Are there any ROM makers around these days that take a piece of a phones code and modify it? Maybe I should try to find a stock rom with ability to change kernels, and no show stopping bugs.
My issue is I tossed my lame iPhone work gave me in a drawer, so I use my personal unlimited plan for both corporate and personal. So I can't be missing a call or text/email. Also I really like LGs skin, most say it's the worst of the bunch but I've always thought it was the best. I couldn't live without that quick memo app.
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Are there typically a lot of DEV stuff going on for the last few carrier unlocked versions?
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YES. I've posted plenty of links to carrier unlocked version dev work for both LG G6 and LG V20. But here you go:
LG V20 - 4 pages of ROMs, kernels, recovery, etc.
LG G6 - 2 pages of ROMs, kernels, recovery, etc.
The LG G6 is impressive only because it wasn't added to the bootloader unlock list until practically July (June 29). So, in like 3 months time look at all the dev work it has! The LG V30 will be that and MORE -- because it has much better specs than the LG G6, which had
"last year's Snapadragon",
had only 32GB internal storage in the U.S. and European models)
only some model had Quad DAC (which U.S. and European models didn't have),
only U.S. model had Qi wireless charging.
The LG V30 is the phone the LG G6 should have been.
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Has LG in the past granted the carrier promos to buyers of the carrier unlocked models?
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No, LG isn't going to honor carrier promos. Why would they? The carrier is trying to get your monthly service charge, LG is just selling you a carrier unlocked version of the phone. Take it or leave it. They're not trying to compete with the carriers, they are business partners. They're not trying to steal sales from the carriers. That's why they wait a few weeks AFTER launch to even sell the carrier unlocked version.
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I really don't want the silver color + 64g is kinda small.
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Remember it's internal storage + microSD card. It's not like iPhone or Pixel crap.
Plus, we don't know what the carrier unlocked models will have yet. They haven't been announced or released. We only know they are coming because LG always does it and B&H photo already has a webpage devoted to the US998. THAT webpage says 64GB.
Whether LG will sell a 128GB model directly on the LG website we can only hope.
So does anyone know if LG is affected by the newest cpu bugs?
Qualcomm will use that A75 core for its Snapdragon 845, while other Snapdragon lines list the A53 and A72, which are only vulnerable to the two Spectre variants. As we said, Qualcomm uses a mix of custom and off-the-shelf cores; they are probably affected by Spectre, and maybe Meltdown
https://developer.arm.com/support/security-update
Spectre can be a hope for all of us ....
TARGET: GAIN ROOT on Bootloader locked devices too
@Honestly Annoying
Do either of these bugs give elevated privileges or just siphon off cache information for passwords and stuff?
It gives access to everything
ChazzMatt said:
Do either of these bugs give elevated privileges or just siphon off cache information for passwords and stuff?
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The vulnerabilities give malicious code access to anything stored within the kernel memory which includes passwords/privileges. They could also easily inject code into kernel memory space which could do just about anything without anybody knowing about it.
January 2018 security updates blocks the vulnerability but at this time, it's only available on Google devices.
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wolfgart said:
So does anyone know if LG is affected by the newest cpu bugs?
Qualcomm will use that A75 core for its Snapdragon 845, while other Snapdragon lines list the A53 and A72, which are only vulnerable to the two Spectre variants. As we said, Qualcomm uses a mix of custom and off-the-shelf cores; they are probably affected by Spectre, and maybe Meltdown
https://developer.arm.com/support/security-update
Spectre can be a hope for all of us ....
TARGET: GAIN ROOT on Bootloader locked devices too
@Honestly Annoying
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Yes, all Snapdragon processors are currently affected by this.. It's an interesting concept to utilize an exploit to gain root access. I could also see this being applied to jailbreak an iPhone and potentially port Android over to it.
SHosp said:
The vulnerabilities give malicious code access to anything stored within the kernel memory which includes passwords/privileges. They could also easily inject code into kernel memory space which could do just about anything without anybody knowing about it.
January 2018 security updates blocks the vulnerability but at this time, it's only available on Google devices.
Yes, all Snapdragon processors are currently affected by this... It's an interesting concept to utilize an exploit to gain root access.
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Then we don't necessarily want it blocked until we use it for our own needs, i.e. root.
Sent from my official carrier unlocked LG V30+ US998
The theoretical explanation of how each exploit is performed is outlined on this page: https://meltdownattack.com/
Maybe one of the ROM/Mod developers would know more about being able to achieve this but it's past my pay grade.
the problem with bugs like this is the limitation that /init gives to exploited root shells. dm-verity is also an issue as it blocks the su binary from being dropped into the correct location, so a persistent root is pretty much out of the question. the only thing i could see coming from something like this is a "tethered" root which would be run on a computer every time a user wanted root access. i no longer own LG devices so would not be able to test on my own but would still be interested in working on this with others!
Adding Spectre to the list pointing to a nine to twelve month wait to buy this phone:
1. Spectre, Krack (Jan 2018 Security patch level, will take at least six months to reach V30 factory installed OS, probably Oreo).
2. Bootloader unlock for US998, TWRP and root with "bugs" ironed out.
3. Display problems, may see improvements over the first year of production.
4. Substantial price drops, probably after nine months or when the V40 is about to launch.
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Adding Spectre to the list pointing to a nine to twelve month wait to buy this phone:
1. Spectre, Krack (Jan 2018 Security patch level, will take at least six months to reach V30 factory installed OS, probably Oreo).
2. Bootloader unlock for US998, TWRP and root with "bugs" ironed out.
3. Display problems, may see improvements over the first year of production.
4. Substantial price drops, probably after nine months or when the V40 is about to launch.
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Your list is mostly bogus, with all due respect.
3) I own three of these phones and there are no display problems in my daily use.
4) I paid average $597.33 for two V30 and one V30+ -- both official "open market" US998 from B&H Photo. Less than $600 each. Yes, I used $400 LG Gift card rebate, and B&H Photo gave me partial refund AFTER the sale on the V30+. A friend sold me her extra LG V30 at her "gift card" price of $600. She bought two just to get the gift card discount and split the cost with me. But that's three bootloader unlock eligible (will be) V30/V30+ for less than $600.
I just helped a friend buy a new Verizon LG V30 for $675 on eBay. Still brand new in the box. That was even before the recent price reduction from B&H Photo. There's even better deals on eBay, but that one was totally new, never been used -- and she needed Verizon branded, not open market.
Current price is $675/$775 at B&H Photo for the North America open market 64GB V30/128GB V30+. (I paid less due to gift card rebate.) But not sure how much less price you expect a phone that competes with the Samsung Note 8 to be?
What is your acceptable price for a phone with these specs/features?
2) The LG G6 got bootloader unlock by end of June and had TWRP, root, ROMs by July. The eligible European LG V30/V30 already have bootloader unlock, TWRP and one ROM. North America "open market" LG V30/V30+ will soon join the party. After that, the pace will really pick up.
The variants on the official LG Bootloader Unlock list are the only ones guaranteed root, which we've said since September. It's that way with the LG G6 and is that way with the LG V30. While ways are being investigated for North America carrier-branded variants, and there's always dev magic, there's no need to wait a year to buy this phone.
1) All security patches can be installed by devs on custom ROMs, just like they always are. This is XDA.
ChazzMatt said:
Your list is mostly bogus, with all due respect.
3) I own three of these phones and there are no display problems in my daily use.
4) I paid average $597.33 for two V30 and one V30+ -- both official "open market" US998 from B&H Photo. Less than $600 each. Yes, I used $400 LG Gift card rebate, and B&H Photo gave me partial refund AFTER the sale on the V30+. A friend sold me her extra LG V30 at her "gift card" price of $600. She bought two just to get the gift card discount and split the cost with me. But that's three bootloader unlock eligible (will be) V30/V30+ for less than $600.
I just helped a friend buy a new Verizon LG V30 for $675 on eBay. Still brand new in the box. That was even before the recent price reduction from B&H Photo. There's even better deals on eBay, but that one was totally new, never been used -- and she needed Verizon branded, not open market.
Current price is $675/$775 at B&H Photo for the North America open market 64GB V30/128GB V30+. (I paid less due to gift card rebate.) But not sure how much less price you expect a phone that competes with the Samsung Note 8 to be?
What is your acceptable price for a phone with these specs/features?
2) The LG G6 got bootloader unlock by end of June and had TWRP, root, ROMs by July. The eligible European LG V30/V30 already have bootloader unlock, TWRP and one ROM. North America "open market" LG V30/V30+ will soon join the party. After that, the pace will really pick up.
The variants on the official LG Bootloader Unlock list are the only ones guaranteed root, which we've said since September. It's that way with the LG G6 and is that way with the LG V30. While ways are being investigated for North America carrier-branded variants, and there's always dev magic, there's no need to wait a year for
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Good information.
But:
The evidence from the multitude of users suggests a problem with the display. Unlikely that that one user's 3 units are representative of the population, the distribution of attributes is most likely not random or uniform with this. The burn in (by whatever term) is real, I saw it on units in three T-Mobile stores. That may be related to extended full-bright operation, but the problem is being worked to reduce severity, results likely in months or year (s).
The price drops should eventually reach nearly 40%, toward the one year point. Regarding the $400 off a second LG device required buying a second device, that is not a true discount but rather a loss-leader promotion to move unsold inventory piling up. Ebay is a fleamarket with distinct drawbacks and risks for the buyer, compared to Amazon or B&H. No, the true substantial discounts without gotchas and catches are still 9-12 months away.
There is no bootloader unlock for US998. Period. Who knows when, if ever, that may be released. And no guarantee of root after that, either. We've been reading predictions in this forum, of bootloader unlock a few weeks after US998 release and root a week after that, but the US998 has been shipping for over a month now and no bootloader unlock. Given that Oreo is coming, it may be that bootloader unlock is on hold until Oreo is shipping on factory units, who knows. And on that point, another reason to wait to buy: TWRP and root for N will not work for O, that will require a whole new TWRP and root.
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There is no bootloader unlock for US998. Period. Who knows when, if ever, that may be released.
And no guarantee of root after that, either. .
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There will be bootloader unlocked for the US998. Period.
Yes, there will be guarantee of root after bootloader unlock for the US998. Saying otherwise shows you really don't know what you are talking about. Maybe you don't understand WHY it's called the LG Developer Bootloader unlock list? As I said, your list is mostly bogus.
(The LG G6 took six weeks after release before bootloader unlock. A "month" is nothing to LG apparently. They can't walk and chew gum at the same time.)
You still didn't answer what you think is YOUR acceptable price for a premium device with these specs? Apparently you think it should be priced less than OnePlus crap with no QHD, no Qi wireless, no IP rating? Sure, I'm all for lower price -- give it to me for $1 and I won't complain --
but $675/$775 current pricing is quite fair for brand new "open market" V30/V30+ which will be eligible for bootloader unlock. Or you didn't know about those prices?
By the way, the gift card thing was BEFORE the open market variants were even released. The deadline to buy was December 2. So, it wasn't to move inventory piling up, at least for those "better" models. It was merely the holiday incentives other manufacturers were also giving for Black Friday/Christmas sales. I only qualified because I PRE-ORDERED and paid full price. (B&H Photo also shipped on December 1, before the official December 5 release date, just to make sure. Very nice of them. But it was my preorder "purchase" that still would have qualified me.)
And no a multitude of users don't have problems with the display. The LG V30 display has intensely low brightness, compared to even the LG Pixel 2 XL display -- because Google made their minimum brightness much higher. Some V30 displays at extremely low brightness have cloudiness, but most users do not use that kind of setting. I don't. Pixel 2 XL doesn't because Google won't let the display have that same low brightness. So, go bash Pixel, it's the exact same display. Other OEMs pull the same tricks with OLED displays (setting minimum brightness higher), but LG doesn't. And it's only some displays, while others have super clear very low brightness. For colors to pop you need brightness set higher anyways.
Now, I'm not talking about obvious flaws in OLED panels that slip through. IF you can see banding even at 20, 25%, then something is wrong.
Sent from my official carrier unlocked LG V30+ US998
ChazzMatt said:
There will be bootloader unlocked for the US998. Period.
Yes, there will be guarantee of root after bootloader unlock for the US998. Saying otherwise shows you really don't know what you are talking about. As I said, your list is bogus.
(The LG G6 took six weeks after release before bootloader unlock. A "month" is nothing to LG apparently. They can't walk and chew gum at the same time.)
You still didn't answer what you think is YOUR acceptable price for a premium device with these specs. Apparently you think it should be priced less than OnePlus crap with no QHD, no Qi wireless, no IP rating? Sure, I'm all for lower price, but $675/$775 current pricing is quite fair for brand new open market V30/V30+ which will be eligible for bootloader unlock. Or you didn't know about those prices?
By the way, the gift card thing was BEFORE the open market variants were even released. The deadline to buy was December 2. So, it wasn't to move inventory piling up. It was merely the holiday incentives other manufacturers were also giving for Black Friday/Christmas sales. I only qualified because I PRE-ORDERED.
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There is an old saying: "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
There is no guarantee of bootloader unlock. Even if it comes eventually, no guarantee of root. (The Samsung S8 SD vs. Exynos thing is a perfect illustration.)
Back to the original post: The Spectre fix is months away for V30, at the soonest, most likely.
Everything else is just talk. Another old saying: " Talk is cheap ".
"A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
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the problem with bugs like this is the limitation that /init gives to exploited root shells. dm-verity is also an issue as it blocks the su binary from being dropped into the correct location, so a persistent root is pretty much out of the question. the only thing i could see coming from something like this is a "tethered" root which would be run on a computer every time a user wanted root access. i no longer own LG devices so would not be able to test on my own but would still be interested in working on this with others!
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I'd be willing to work with you, I can definitely test, as far as doing the creation of it, I really want to get into it but don't know where to start. Think we could get in touch?
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the problem with bugs like this is the limitation that /init gives to exploited root shells. dm-verity is also an issue as it blocks the su binary from being dropped into the correct location, so a persistent root is pretty much out of the question. the only thing i could see coming from something like this is a "tethered" root which would be run on a computer every time a user wanted root access. i no longer own LG devices so would not be able to test on my own but would still be interested in working on this with others!
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please, give us tethered root too !
This can be a Great thing for us
I'm here too with my device if need for test, tell me where to meet us
I'm a new owner of my very own V30 as of yesterday. For 8 years, I've been the proud owner of nexus devices, starting from the galaxy nexus, then nexus 4, 5, 6p. I've never owned a "common folk" phone such as the v30. But, with Google going off the face of the planet with deleting the 3.5mm jack I just couldn't buy another Google phone (sigh)
So a question : when LG places the v30 on the dev bootloader unlock whitelist, like the v20, will the warranty still be voided if the bootloader is unlocked?
I liked my Lineage aka cyanogenmod, root apps, xposed, tasker. But frankly the v30 is more than good enough stock for me to use day to day (my phone is an oauth key, calendar, media player, web browser, and IOT remote controller, none of which get much benefit from root). Still, it'd be nice to know what to expect from LG.. Reaally for the fact that ad block root was so good.
There used to be a time when oem android was so bad that it was unusable without flashing with your own stuff... And that's very different now. Just wondering.
Agreed about Google removing headphone jack, especially after making fun of Apple doing it a year ago. Hypocrisy much?
What V30 variant did you get? Is yours eligible for bootloader unlock? Either open market LG US998 or H930 are the two V30 eligible for bootloader unlock with full flash commands available. (The T-Mobile variant has "fake" bootloader unlock, with most flash commands stripped out.)
Yes, warranty is voided with that bootloader unlock. You get an unlock code in exchange for agreeing to void warranty, from the LG Developer Bootloader Unlock list website.
You can either have warranty or own your phone...
Motorola does the same thing, for their phones which are eligible for bootloader unlock.
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Depending which version you have it may not get unlocked at all. I've got the H930DS and there's a good chance it will never be unlocked.
Also regarding warranty it depends a lot on which country you are in, if it is the US then yea, you will probably lose warranty completely. In a lot of other countries they cannot legally void the hardware warranty for software modifications. It also matters which distributor is providing the warranty service or whether it is LG themselves, not all distributors are the same.
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I'm a new owner of my very own V30 as of yesterday. For 8 years, I've been the proud owner of nexus devices, starting from the galaxy nexus, then nexus 4, 5, 6p. I've never owned a "common folk" phone such as the v30. But, with Google going off the face of the planet with deleting the 3.5mm jack I just couldn't buy another Google phone (sigh)
So a question : when LG places the v30 on the dev bootloader unlock whitelist, like the v20, will the warranty still be voided if the bootloader is unlocked?
I liked my Lineage aka cyanogenmod, root apps, xposed, tasker. But frankly the v30 is more than good enough stock for me to use day to day (my phone is an oauth key, calendar, media player, web browser, and IOT remote controller, none of which get much benefit from root). Still, it'd be nice to know what to expect from LG.. Reaally for the fact that ad block root was so good.
There used to be a time when oem android was so bad that it was unusable without flashing with your own stuff... And that's very different now. Just wondering.
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see ChazzMatts posts in various threads... his info is tight.
this phone is great out of the box, but man is it WAY better when it's got root and the right ROM... speaking for myself. so, depending on which variant you have, the old days may be possible for you.
i was a flashaholic somewhat, but on this phone US998 unlocked, i got lucky that the first ROM I've flashed will [hopefully] be my last. exactly what i wanted. and with the tweaks it flies, fastest phone I've ever used. the audio is SPECTACULAR... talking about the WETA rom, the one mentioned above. really super happy over here. i am honestly surprised how everything fell into place on this new phone project. now to sell my HTC10. the audio (and display) on the V30 is light years ahead of the HTC if that's saying anything.
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Agreed about Google removing headphone jack, especially after making fun of Apple doing it a year ago. Hypocrisy much?
What V30 variant did you get? Is yours eligible for bootloader unlock? Either open market LG US998 or H930 are the two V30 eligible for bootloader unlock with full flash commands available. (The T-Mobile variant has "fake" bootloader unlock, with most flash commands stripped out.)
Yes, warranty is voided with that bootloader unlock. You get an unlock code in exchange for agreeing to void warranty, from the LG Developer Bootloader Unlock list website.
You can either have warranty or own your phone...
Motorola does the same thing, for their phones which are eligible for bootloader unlock.
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Unfortunately I have a h932 (tmo version). So that's how it is... Meh I'm not in too big a need for the unlock especially since it's a newish released phone and there's always a chance there's a recall. I was just curious if LG typically opens up their older product line for a potential unlock in the future.
Thanks for the info!
The only way the Tmo version gets a Bootloader unlock is either Engineering Bootstack being released in the wild or someone cracks the security. Unfortunately the likelihood of any of that happening is slim to none. Either replace it with a US998/H930 or be happy with never getting root/unlocked.
With that being said, there really isn't much dev going on for this phone unfortunately and I doubt that will really change much. LG has a lot of negativity from previous failures and accountability so most devs have merely over looked this phone or written LG off completely. Kinda like the failure that is happening over at HTC.
Fortunately there are some sharp and tenacious devs working on the T-Mo models. In the post linked below, @runningnak3d expressed a more optimistic prognosis for the H932. Given his work and skills, and the efforts being made by him and others in that thread, that makes me optimistic too.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=75678105
And there are other tireless devs and users working on it in the H932 root thread:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3690577
Velrix said:
LG has a lot of negativity from previous failures and accountability so most devs have merely over looked this phone or written LG off completely.
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If that's true, that's a shame. Lot of devs were working on the LG G6 open market models and the V30 is much better. LG really has a winner with this phone.
I think part of the problem is LG still hasn't officially added the US998 V30 to the LG Bootloader Unlock list (only the H930 and H930G). While waiting for the official announcement, and waiting and waiting... @gwillmer found out by accident the US998 V30 bootloader could be unlocked. How long had all those IMEI codes been in the database? And LG didn't tell us? And the V30+ US998 still can't be unlocked (which is the more desirable model). (I own both.) I think if that had happened (getting bootloader unlock for both) back in November/December, devs would be all over this phone.
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Fortunately there are some sharp and tenacious devs working on the T-Mo models. In the post linked below, @runningnak3d expressed a more optimistic prognosis for the H932. Given his work and skills, and the efforts being made by him and others in that thread, that makes me optimistic too.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=75678105
And there are other tireless devs and users working on it in the H932 root thread:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3690577
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I highly doubt without a engineering bootstack or some other hack they will ever get root on that phone. Even if they do, its doubtful it will be much more than that. They have yet to do it on the G6 model so don't expect it here anytime soon.
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If that's true, that's a shame. Lot of devs were working on the LG G6 open market models and the V30 is much better. LG really has a winner with this phone.
I think part of the problem is LG still hasn't officially added the US998 V30 to the LG Bootloader Unlock list (only the H930 and H930G). While waiting for the official announcement, and waiting and waiting... @gwillmer found out by accident the US998 V30 bootloader could be unlocked. How long had all those IMEI codes been in the database? And LG didn't tell us? And the V30+ US998 still can't be unlocked (which is the more desirable model). (I own both.) I think if that had happened (getting bootloader unlock for both) back in November/December, devs would be all over this phone.
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That's the problem, people (devs/enthusiast) just lost hope/trust in the company in general and this just puts the nail in the coffin. Now we have a new device being released later this year when most people just got their unlocked phones a few months back. LG did great with the V30 but they are being extremely anti developer with their actions, and honestly why wouldn't they be. Their money is in the average consumer which will never care about root/bootloader unlocking.
I really hope this changes for the good and they allow the + to be unlocked but until then, this platform may not have a ton of dev support.
When was the G6+ (US997U) released? It's still not on the bootloader unlock list, either... and wouldn't it have come out well before the V30? I can't seem to find an exact date that it was first listed for sale, but how long would we expect them to wait to add any new phone to the list? There's the Prime-Exclusive version that categorically will NOT get a bootloader unlock, but B&H and BestBuy both sell a factory-unlocked version too.
I'm having doubts that the V30+ will be added to the bootloader unlock list. If they really do it "for developers" then they really only need to support the base model V30, as the PLUS and the ThinQ just add more storage space and the rest of the hardware is identical.
Muhammadaliz said:
THANK YOU
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Not sure what you are thanking about. This thread from February 2018 now has a lot of outdated information. We no longer need the LG's approval for bootloader unlock.
This is the 2nd post post where you have just said thank you for information that's not really that helpful any more (outdated). Seems you are padding your post count?
EDIT: YES, NOW WE KNOW. Padding post count so he could spam with ads once he had enough posts. Now he's been banned...
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We can't all go back and edit old posts with newer information, which is why there's always a danger to "dig up" old threads like this. What I said 6 months ago may conflict with what I'm saying right now, but that's because of newer information, newer developments. Just this week, H932 T-Mobile V30/V30+ got ROOT. You will find tons of posts where we say that's NOT possible. Well, it wasn't THEN. It is NOW.
Same with bootloader unlock for non-Open Market V30. We thought we needed LG approval. In mid-May we found we don't, thanks to @TxanMoe.
Hi all - long time lurker, first time poster. Big thanks to this community for helping me with random roots throughout the years, but I've come across something I can't quite find definitive answers on and need some assistance.
A few months ago I finally took the plunge and unlocked/rooted my AT&T h931. This was by far the most complicated root I've ever done, but I got it done. As most know, this requires first converting my h931 to a carrier unlocked US998, and then proceeding as usual. I followed this amazing thread on Reddit that someone put together based on a bunch of different threads here on XDA.
So I've now decided I want to buy a 1+7 Pro and want to take advantage of their trade-in program, so I'd like to get the phone back to stock and unroot/relock it all up. I found a solid thread here but because of my special circumstances I'm concerned there will be a bit more to it. The phone has the AT&T logo on the back, so if 1+ gets it and it's an unlocked 998, I'm not sure they'd give me and money for it. Without getting too into the weeds, I just want to know if anyone has advice or can point me to a post detailing this specific circumstance. Do I need to re-convert to a h931 before relocking? If I go back to stock/relock as a 998, will AT&T still work alright? I just don't want to mess something up and brick my phone.
Any insight is greatly appreciated. Thanks everyone!
To my understanding, AT&T doesn't share KDZs anywhere, so I don't think it's possible to convert your phone back to H931. I could be wrong.
Otherwise the general steps would be:
1) Revert to stock by flashing US998 KDZ with LGUP in refurbish mode. Phone must be completely stock before relocking the bootloader.
2) Boot into fastboot mode and relock bootloader with fastboot oem lock.
3) Flash the carrier firmware KDZ with LGUP in refurbish mode. Again, in the case of AT&T I don't think it exists.
The reason for this sequence is that the carrier firmware may not allow fastboot.
Edit: Oh, of course if H932 users should see this: Do NOT ever flash the US998 KDZ. Just flash the latest H932 KDZ and use that to relock the bootloader.
AT&T doesn't release KDZ... you can't go back to stock...
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AT&T doesn't release KDZ... you can't go back to stock...
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Right. But a mint US998 can be sold on eBay for $160-$170 right now...
There's your trade in value, in cash.
WTF REDDIT THREAD
protagonest said:
A few months ago I finally took the plunge and unlocked/rooted my AT&T h931. This was by far the most complicated root I've ever done, but I got it done. As most know, this requires first converting my h931 to a carrier unlocked US998, and then proceeding as usual. I followed this amazing thread on Reddit that someone put together based on a bunch of different threads here on XDA.
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Interesting. I recognize my own words throughout most of it, of course -- with same emphasis I use.
Update H931 (AT&T) to Android Pie! (Walkthrough)
This is just the "bootloader unlock warning" screen. It's just a scary picture LG shows you as the phone boots to discourage you from unlocking your bootloader. Ignore it. It will NOT prevent you from doing anything.
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I see they got a "Platinum" award on Reddit?
Well, at least they gave me credit! They combined my Frankenstein and WTF instructions, but focused on H931 and stripped out all the stuff that applied to other V30 variants. (Which is why WTF is like a decision tree -- if you have this variant do X, if you have that variant do Y -- until in Section 5 everyone ends up at the same bootloader unlock "starting line" with fastboot flash commands and early Oreo firmware.)
Everything is cool. They gave me credit and asked people to hit thanks button several times for me here on XDA in return. :good:
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However, the rest of their walkthrough is about custom ROMs, and they credited two other worthy people for that section.
In neither Frankenstein nor WTF, I do not really mention custom ROMs. Because that's not the purpose of either thread.
Frankenstein is to convert your phone to another North American V30 variants -- either to carrier unlock your phone or to instill fastboot flash commands, or both.
For WTF -- it's to unlock your V30 bootloader, install TWRP and get you rooted. (So, some phones like H931 need to take a side trip to Frankenstein thread, but other phones like H930 or H930DS don't need that, as they already have fastboot flash commands.)
Only in the Root Sticky I wrote, I warn H931/H933 takes "extra prep work" for custom ROMs and that all phones should be updated back to latest stock firmware prior to installing custom ROMs. If they have H931/H933, I leave it to them to find out more, as I don't want to scare them off.
Someone once mentioned doing something like this guy did on Reddit thread for ALL V30 variants -- one bootloader unlock/root thread for each variant. US998, H931, H933, LS998, VS996, H930, H930D, H930G, H930DS, AS998, H932 (both T-mobile and Puerto Rico), and that's not even mentioning the Korean variants! But that would be severe overkill and a lot of redundancy. The way WTF is designed, it can handle EVERY V30 on the planet (except for T-mobile H932), as long as you follow decision tree choices. There is a separate thread for T-mobile H932, because it's separate procedure involving a Linux boot disc and other stuff.
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Oh, to the last guy asking questions in that Reddit thread? (duplicate questions) Tell him in Frankenstein conversion, he either didn't do a Master Reset after flashing to Nougat (not following all the steps) or he mistakenly flashed Oreo US998 first, probably thinking they didn't need to flash Nougat (not following all the steps). That's why his phone is bootlooping.
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WTF REDDIT THREAD
Interesting. I recognize my own words throughout most of it, of course -- with same emphasis I use.
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Thanks for all your hard work on this stuff ChazzMatt! This guy simply streamlined all the work you did specifically for the H931 variant, which was what I needed.
Thanks for the heads up about selling the US998 on Ebay... I hadn't really considered that, but will definitely look deeper into it now. So I could basically just flash a stock image for the US998 and call it good, yeah? Do most interested parties on Ebay prefer these phones remain rooted/unlocked in your (or anyone's) experience?
Thanks for your input all.
protagonest said:
Thanks for all your hard work on this stuff ChazzMatt! This guy simply streamlined all the work you did specifically for the H931 variant, which was what I needed.
Thanks for the heads up about selling the US998 on Ebay... I hadn't really considered that, but will definitely look deeper into it now. So I could basically just flash a stock image for the US998 and call it good, yeah? Do most interested parties on Ebay prefer these phones remain rooted/unlocked in your (or anyone's) experience?
Thanks for your input all.
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Vast majority prefer carrier unlocked phones, not necessary bootloader unlocked and rooted. With the scary bootloader unlock warning about "possible corruption" just best to re- lock bootloader before selling it.
Flash to US998 20H, then relock bootloader.
Sent via open market LG US998 V30/V30+
but users will not get OTA updates when they convert the h931 to US998 they will report the seller
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but users will not get OTA updates when they convert the h931 to US998 they will report the seller
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And that is exactly correct. It won't get updates as a 998 nor as a used-to-be 931. While yes, of course, some people will understand that and know how to apply an update, **THE VAST MAJORITY** of buyers WILL NOT.
Given that limitation, be sure you state that specifically when selling it. As Dinou says, ebay will be on yer butt otherwise.
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No they won't report the seller.
None of the LS998 to US998 sold on eBay all the time get OTA updates.
All the US998 V30+ being sold by dealers are former LS998.
No one is reported. The dealer has 99.9 approval rating.
That's the only way to carrier unlock an LS998. I bought one US998 new in box from Wal-Mart, and it's former LS998 converted to US998.
Same with H931.
And it's the only way you're going to be able to sell it. I mean, you can convert to VS996 or H933, but same thing. US998 is the best choice.
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No they won't report the seller.
None of the LS998 to US998 sold on eBay all the time get OTA updates.
All the US998 V30+ being sold by dealers are former LS998.
No one is reported. The dealer has 99.9 approval rating.
That's the only way to carrier unlock an LS998. I bought one US998 new in box from Wal-Mart, and it's former LS998 converted to US998.
Same with H931.
And it's the only way you're going to be able to sell it. I mean, you can convert to VS996 or H933, but same thing. US998 is the best choice.
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If you want to sell it on eBay you have to explain that the phone is really a H931 running US998 firmware. If not, the buyer can just return the phone for a full refund after he finds out the phone isn't a US998 which will be easy since H931 has a AT&T logo.
You'd have to pay for the return shipping, eat the original shipping cost, and still have to pay eBay fees...
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If you want to sell it on eBay you have to explain that the phone is really a H931 running US998 firmware. If not, the buyer can just return the phone for a full refund after he finds out the phone isn't a US998 which will be easy since H931 has a AT&T logo.
You'd have to pay for the return shipping, eat the original shipping cost, and still have to pay eBay fees...
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That doesn't happen with the other Frankenstein converted eBay US998.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/LG-V30-US9...rentrq:0d41f53c16c0a99b185ac3adfff8628c|iid:1
All these V30+ are former LS998 V30+, now converted to US998.
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That doesn't happen with the other Frankenstein converted eBay US998.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/LG-V30-US9...rentrq:0d41f53c16c0a99b185ac3adfff8628c|iid:1
All these V30+ are former LS998 V30+, now converted to US998.
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Like I've said... if the buyer finds out that the phone is not a real US998 and wants to return it then the seller has to cover return shipping and issue a full refund.
If not, the buyer can file a dispute stating item not as described and the seller will be forced to take it back...
The simplest answer to all this is of course simple: be honest in the ad, list every piece of relevant information and that way if there's any kind of claim for any reason other than "It's dead on arrival, Jim..." protects you (or whoever) as the seller.
It can't be stressed enough really to put ALL the relevant info in the ad, be 100% honest about everything:
- be honest that's its originally an AT&T H931
- be honest that the bootloader was unlocked and that message will appear each time the device is powered on from a cold start
- be honest that it has a clean IMEI with no leins/not reported stolen/not reported lost (but don't provide the IMEI directly, that can be provided in a PM if necessary using eBay's message system if a potential buyer wants it)
- be honest that it was converted to becoming a US Cellular US998 in every respect except for it being a true US998 hardware-wise
- be honest that it will not get OTA updates for future releases of Android (if they'd come out) and might not get security fixes or patches either because of that conversion
- be honest and say the condition and mention every single scratch or scuff or mark on it, take plenty of decent pics, show the Settings page, etc
- be honest about what's included
- be honest and just flat out say "If you decide to make this purchase, you do so understanding everything that's been stated in this ad and accept this prior to the purchase, after which there will be no refunds except for the item being literally DOA and non-functional" or words to that effect and clearly state "SOLD AS-IS" in the ad listing at least once and not buried someplace a the very bottom or whatever
If you don't do anything that can be perceived as being deceptive then eBay (and whatever payment processing service you use) will more than likely side with you, the seller, should an issue arise - if it's truly DOA for whatever reason you're going to have to issue a refund regardless, but I don't think that most people would damage or break something intentionally just to get that refund. This basic idea of being honest about it to as many degrees as you possibly can ensures that you'll only be selling to someone that really understands what it is and if they don't, your listing told them ahead of time so that responsibility is now not on you for them being ignorant.
You can't really do much more than this, so either get to it and sell it on eBay with these kinds of guidelines or keep it and maybe sell it locally, either way, good luck.
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Any insight is greatly appreciated. Thanks everyone!
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Flashing the stock h931 rom will get you close but the BL will still be unlocked(but there is no message on bootup). It has the stock att boot animation.
Notes:
It wipes your internal storage when flashing.
OTA will no longer work.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/development/lg-v30-att-h931-20f-rom-t3872926
br0adband said:
The simplest answer to all this is of course simple: be honest in the ad, list every piece of relevant information and that way if there's any kind of claim for any reason other than "It's dead on arrival, Jim..." protects you (or whoever) as the seller.
It can't be stressed enough really to put ALL the relevant info in the ad, be 100% honest about everything:
- be honest that's its originally an AT&T H931
- be honest that the bootloader was unlocked and that message will appear each time the device is powered on from a cold start
- be honest that it has a clean IMEI with no leins/not reported stolen/not reported lost (but don't provide the IMEI directly, that can be provided in a PM if necessary using eBay's message system if a potential buyer wants it)
- be honest that it was converted to becoming a US Cellular US998 in every respect except for it being a true US998 hardware-wise
- be honest that it will not get OTA updates for future releases of Android (if they'd come out) and might not get security fixes or patches either because of that conversion
- be honest and say the condition and mention every single scratch or scuff or mark on it, take plenty of decent pics, show the Settings page, etc
- be honest about what's included
- be honest and just flat out say "If you decide to make this purchase, you do so understanding everything that's been stated in this ad and accept this prior to the purchase, after which there will be no refunds except for the item being literally DOA and non-functional" or words to that effect and clearly state "SOLD AS-IS" in the ad listing at least once and not buried someplace a the very bottom or whatever
If you don't do anything that can be perceived as being deceptive then eBay (and whatever payment processing service you use) will more than likely side with you, the seller, should an issue arise - if it's truly DOA for whatever reason you're going to have to issue a refund regardless, but I don't think that most people would damage or break something intentionally just to get that refund. This basic idea of being honest about it to as many degrees as you possibly can ensures that you'll only be selling to someone that really understands what it is and if they don't, your listing told them ahead of time so that responsibility is now not on you for them being ignorant.
You can't really do much more than this, so either get to it and sell it on eBay with these kinds of guidelines or keep it and maybe sell it locally, either way, good luck.
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H931, H933, VS996, and US998 all have the exact same hardware...
jptV30 said:
H931, H933, VS996, and US998 all have the exact same hardware...
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The AT&T H931 does not have a CDMA radio in it, neither does the H933 (the Rogers Wireless aka Canadian version) so no, they're not the same as the actual US998 hardware which does have both CDMA and GSM radios in it. As my sig clearly states, I have an H931 converted to a US998 and I can't use it with Sprint or Verizon since it doesn't have a CDMA radio in it so, no, they're not all the exact same hardware.
The VS996 is designed to work with Verizon which is a CDMA carrier so that one does have a CDMA radio in it but it offers slightly different LTE band coverage (some of the other bands for AT&T and T-Mobile are covered as roaming bands).
Each model has something different from the others based on what the carriers tell LG to do with them at the factory, which is why I said what I said.
The T-Mobile LG V30 H932 is the only one that has hardware support for LTE band 71 too so, again, something different for every model.
You can't go wrong with being honest -- except you may not get the sale on eBay, where dozens other V30s are listed as New or Mint, even though we all know they're Frankenphones. Those sellers are probably willing to absorb a few returns because they bought them by the truckload for $30 each.
Why not just just flash US998 KDZ and relock the bootloader, then see if OnePlus will accept the trade-in? That's what you wanted originally, right?
They're looking for a sale, so they're motivated. And if they DON'T accept the trade-in, then you can worry about selling it on eBay.
That's really what I assumed would be your takeaway from my original reply (post #2).
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Like I've said... if the buyer finds out that the phone is not a real US998 and wants to return it then the seller has to cover return shipping and issue a full refund.
If not, the buyer can file a dispute stating item not as described and the seller will be forced to take it back...
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Like I've said, former LS998 are sold every day on eBay as US998 BECAUSE THEY NOW ARE US998 and it's not an issue.
Sent via open market LG US998 V30/V30+
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br0adband said:
I have an H931 converted to a US998 and I can't use it with Sprint or Verizon since it doesn't have a CDMA radio in it so, no, they're not all the exact same hardware.
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You DO have CDMA radio if you converted your H931 to US998. You can't use it on Sprint and Verizon because neither will take an H931 -- NOT because your NOW-US998 doesn't have CDMA.
Sprint won't even take US998 as they only take their own branded LS998 (which is why you have to activate LS998 on Sprint BEFORE Frankenstein, bootloader unlock and root).
Verizon conversely looks only at IMEI, and they see it as H931 even if it's now US998 with CDMA. Be interesting to see what happens when Verizon DROPS CDMA end of this year!
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br0adband said:
It can't be stressed enough really to put ALL the relevant info in the ad, be 100% honest about everything:
- be honest that's its originally an AT&T H931
- be honest that the bootloader was unlocked and that message will appear each time the device is powered on from a cold start
- be honest that it was converted to becoming a US Cellular US998 in every respect except for it being a true US998 hardware-wise
clearly state "SOLD AS-IS" in the ad listing .
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It was converted to Open Market US998. DON'T call it "U.S. Cellular" US998. It's NOT. Many U.S. Cellular phones are carrier locked, and U.S. Cellular only takes phones they sell -- so if a U.S. Cellular customer bought it they would be disappointed.
NO, the bootloader unlock warning will not appear because he's going to lock it back.
Yes, clearly state no refunds.
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It's not hard to sell the phone on eBay. Reading through these comments a lot of you guys act like you've never bought or sold on eBay before...
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TheDannemand said:
You can't go wrong with being honest -- except you may not get the sale on eBay, where dozens other V30s are listed as New or Mint, even though we all know they're Frankenphones. Those sellers are probably willing to absorb a few returns because they bought them by the truckload for $30 each.
Why not just just flash US998 KDZ and relock the bootloader, then see if OnePlus will accept the trade-in? That's what you wanted originally, right?
They're looking for a sale, so they're motivated. And if they DON'T accept the trade-in, then you can worry about selling it on eBay.
That's really what I assumed would be your takeaway from my original reply (post #2).
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Thank you for bringing some clarity to the discussion.
Yes, relock the bootloader and try the trade in. OnePlus isn't going to look at it that carefully, except to verify it's working. They're immediately going to turn around and WHOLESALE to an eBay dealer -- WHO WILL SELL IT ON EBAY.
The eBay dealer will probably swap out the back panel to get rid of the AT&T logo. It'll be sold as US998, which is what it is.
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The AT&T H931 does not have a CDMA radio in it, neither does the H933 (the Rogers Wireless aka Canadian version) so no, they're not the same as the actual US998 hardware which does have both CDMA and GSM radios in it. As my sig clearly states, I have an H931 converted to a US998 and I can't use it with Sprint or Verizon since it doesn't have a CDMA radio in it so, no, they're not all the exact same hardware.
The VS996 is designed to work with Verizon which is a CDMA carrier so that one does have a CDMA radio in it but it offers slightly different LTE band coverage (some of the other bands for AT&T and T-Mobile are covered as roaming bands).
Each model has something different from the others based on what the carriers tell LG to do with them at the factory, which is why I said what I said.
The T-Mobile LG V30 H932 is the only one that has hardware support for LTE band 71 too so, again, something different for every model.
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H931 does have CDMA radio... I don't know where you are getting your information from... but like I've said... the four models I listed all have the exact same hardware...
You are confusing hardware compatibility with carrier policy...
I didn't say anything about H932...
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ChazzMatt said:
Like I've said, former LS998 are sold every day on eBay as US998 BECAUSE THEY NOW ARE US998 and it's not an issue.
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How do you know it's not an issue? How do you know what is happening between the buyers and sellers on eBay? How do you know how many phones were returned... partial refunds given... or disputes filed? You don't...
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It's not hard to sell the phone on eBay. Reading through these comments a lot of you guys act like you've never bought or sold on eBay before...
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Actually... you are acting like you've never done anything on eBay... if you sell a crossflashed phone and you don't state it's crossflashed... you'd have 0% chance of winning the dispute... absolutely 0%...
I picked up a V30S and now I have rooted it successfully. However, during the conversion from US998h to VS996k in TWRP, I lost the "S" part in the boot, and now it just says "LG V30 thinq" whereas it used to say "LG V30 thinq", like the attached picture.
I would like to get that back. I liked seeing the "S" part when it boots up, it feels more premium.
The same thing happened with my V30+, it lost the "+" once changing to VS996.
How can I get this original factory boot screen back?
zxzxzxzxzxzxzxzxzx said:
I picked up a V30S and now I have rooted it successfully. However, during the conversion from US998h to VS996k in TWRP, I lost the "S" part in the boot, and now it just says "LG V30 thinq" whereas it used to say "LG V30 thinq", like the attached picture.
I would like to get that back. I liked seeing the "S" part when it boots up, it feels more premium.
The same thing happened with my V30+, it lost the "+" once changing to VS996.
How can I get this original factory boot screen back?
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You can't get that back on Verizon firmware. Verizon didn't sell the V30+ nor V30S, only the V30.
You can get original factory boot screen back by flashing back to US998 firmware.
Which is what you'll do when you sell it eventually, but until then it doesn't really matter.
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You can't get that back on Verizon firmware. Verizon didn't sell the V30+ nor V30S, only the V30.
You can get original factory boot screen back by flashing back to US998 firmware.
Which is what you'll do when you sell it eventually, but until then it doesn't really matter.
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I'm looking for a way to hack it into the boot. Like replace the image of v30 with the V30S image at boot
zxzxzxzxzxzxzxzxzx said:
I'm looking for a way to hack it into the boot. Like replace the image of v30 with the V30S image at boot
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If you could do that, people could claim to have V30+ who don't...
Good luck with that. Don't brick your phone.
I already know you can edit the other boot, so by the way I already know it is possible to put a boot screen of anything, after the initial boot screen, so your argument is pointless.
As far as tricking someone, anyone can look up the IMEI to find the true model of the phone. Also, you can look at the storage. If you put a "plus" on a 64gb non-plus that would be STUPID since both phones cost nearly the same.
Looking for someone to actually help. I do have the actual phone and I could show my IMEI to prove it. I bought this second phone for the 6GB of ram (I now have a V30 Plus AND a V30S). I looked for months to find one. Part of why I'd like to see the S in the boot screen since I put a lot of effort into finding this phone. I have no intentions of ever selling it. It's the perfect phone for me and I could see keeping it for many years.
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I don't care about naysayers. I already know you can edit the other boot, so by the way I already know it is possible to put a boot screen of anything, after the initial boot screen, so your argument is pointless.
Looking for someone to actually help. I since I put a lot of effort into finding this phone. I have no intentions of ever selling it. It's the perfect phone for me.
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Yes, the V30/30+/v30S are fantastic phones. Congratulations on finding a V30S. A year ago when I was looking they were still too expensive and already have several V30/V30+.
I wasn't talking about YOU tricking someone, I was just talking about in general. Someone recently posted they want to do that, so people would think they v30+ when they only had V30. Don't know why, they weren't talking about cheating someone, they were talking about just bragging about it.
Lots of people have asked what you have, nobody's been able to do it.
Same thing with getting rid of the bootloader unlocked warning. The only way you can that is to do is what you did -- flash Verizon firmware. OR flash partial Verizon firmware -- which is dangerous for other variants because every time you update your firmware, if you don't match compatible firmware you brick your phone.
Good luck in your quest.
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Yes, the V30/30+/v30S are fantastic phones. Congratulations on finding a V30S. A year ago when I was looking they were still too expensive and already have several V30/V30+.
I wasn't talking about YOU tricking someone, I was just talking about in general. Someone recently posted they want to do that, so people would think they v30+ when they only had V30. Don't know why, they weren't talking about cheating someone, they were talking about just bragging about it.
Lots of people have asked what you have, nobody's been able to do it.
Same thing with getting rid of the bootloader unlocked warning. The only way you can that is to do is what you did -- flash Verizon firmware. OR flash partial Verizon firmware -- which is dangerous for other variants because every time you update your firmware, if you don't match compatible firmware you brick your phone.
Good luck in your quest.
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Yes, it (V30S) was hard to find. You can buy it from the LG website for a remarkable $900 (!!!) but of course that's not the real price. Heck they are selling a new V30 (regular! 64gb) on the LG website for over $900! LOL! I love my V30S, but it is not a significant improvement. It's nice to have a little more RAM but it's not any different at all besides that. Speed is pretty much the same. Only difference is marginally better multitasking. Worth it for me, but I wish I had 24GB of RAM lol. Heck I want 1 million gb of ram with a trillion petabytes of storage and a 99999 core neural network quantum cpu but hey that's a nice dream.
Actually, I already removed the bootloader unlocked warning. It disappears when you flash the Verizon variant, not sure if that's what you meant, but I have no warning anymore. Also, I had already removed the verizon boot as well, this is easy with ROM Toolbox Lite (choose "hide" not remove).
To clarify for readers, flashing to VS996 (verizon) from an LS998 or a US998 or even US998R (V30S, my current phone), is 100% safe. I've now done it on 3 phones. 2 of them former LS998 converted to US998 through the WTF method and then VS996. And 1 of them my US998R.
(p.s. you may get easily fixable bootloop if converting LS998 on PIE (Android 9) downgrading to US998 Oreo to prepare for bootloader unlock. You can easily get out of bootloop by holding voldown + power for 7 seconds until reboots, then at reboot logo keep holding voldown and then release power for a half a second and hold power again, then do the factory reset and it will get out of bootloop).
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Actually, I already removed the bootloader unlocked warning. It disappears when you flash the Verizon variant, not sure if that's what you meant, but I have no warning anymore.
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Yes, that was what I meant. Verizon firmware doesn't have bootloader unlock warning because Verizon never imagined their phones could be bootloader unlocked. . Of all the 20 variants, only stock VS996 doesn't have bootloader unlock warning (that I know of).
So some people who don't want Verizon firmware but wanted to get rid of bootloader unlock warning started flashing just that specific VS9996partition governing that in Dev Patched LGUP -- and someone bricked their phone.
Because they kept using the same Verizon firmware but didn't realize as their variant is updated they had to also use updated VS996 firmware to replace that partition. (Sort of the same reason you can't be on early Oreo to flash current LOS-16 ROMs.)
Anyway, Devs said to stop doing that, it's not worth the risk.
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Yes, that was what I meant. Verizon firmware doesn't have bootloader unlock warning because Verizon never imagined their phones could be bootloader unlocked. . Of all the 20 variants, only stock VS996 doesn't have bootloader unlock warning (that I know of).
So some people who don't want Verizon firmware but wanted to get rid of bootloader unlock warning started flashing just that specific VS9996partition governing that in Dev Patched LGUP -- and someone bricked their phone.
Because they kept using the same Verizon firmware but didn't realize as their variant is updated they had to also use updated VS996 firmware to replace that partition. (Sort of the same reason you can't be on early Oreo to flash current LOS-16 ROMs.)
Anyway, Devs said to stop doing that, it's not worth the risk.
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I agree it's not wise to flash only part of a firmware. Better to flash the whole thing. You can get Verizon firmware to work on most other providers anyway as a bring your own device.
Just keep in mind Straight Talk does not like Sprint phones (you can find out your original model number using LG Mobile Support Tool, which, when plugged in, will tell you your ORIGINAL hardware model number, not your software model.) My friend has a V30 and Straight Talk was a disaster. I would say don't bother with straight talk.
Just use prepaid Verizon instead if you're trying to save money. Activate a legit Verizon phone first and then transfer the sim card into your phone. I was able to get both a V30+ and V30S to easily and seamlessly work on Verizon on VS996 firmware on BOTH prepaid and postpaid plans.
But as for flashing the full VS996 firmware, it will be perfectly fine on compatible models (e.g. LS998, US998, US998R, possibly others but I have not tested).
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But as for flashing the full VS996 firmware, it will be perfectly fine on compatible models (e.g. LS998, US998, US998R, possibly others but I have not tested).
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Sure. I'm the one who wrote the Frankenstein instructions which came BEFORE WTF bootloader unlock exploit.
All the North American variants (EXCEPT for T-Mobile H932) can be completely cross flashed and converted to another: US998, AS998, LS998, VS996, H931, H933, and H932PR (Puerto Rico).
However, of all those, only US998 has fastboot flash commands.
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Sure. I'm the one who wrote the Frankenstein instructions which came BEFORE WTF bootloader unlock exploit.
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Thank you very much for your contributions! You are making the world a better place.
By the way I'll probably keep this phone until a fully rootable phone on verizon 160g or less weight with a better resolution screen 6.4" or bigger yet not any taller, with better cpu more ram and oled with microsd card slot and a few other specs comes out, and WITHOUT a notch or cutout.
So, I expect it will be years before such a phone comes out. Until then, this phone is the perfect phone for me.
zxzxzxzxzxzxzxzxzx said:
more ram .
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This is not a computer. That extra RAM you want, and what OEM's like 1+ are doing, doesn't really do anything for the device other than make it more expensive.
OEM's are only doing it to please the masses.
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