Youtube Background Playback
Xposed Module
Enable background playback for Youtube. To build from source, you will need gradle and android sdk with sdk 23. Version number of app is the highest version number of youtube it supports.
12.42.59 Tested on Youtube 12.41.55 on Nexus 5 (hammerhead) Nougat Lineage OS 14.1 Oct 24 Nightly
12.43.52 Tested on Youtube 12.42.59 on Moto E4 (perry) Nougat Lineage OS 14.1 Oct 17 Unofficial
Current Build
Version 12.43.52 (11042017)
Source https://github.com/pylerSM/YouTubeBackgroundPlayback
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Is there a minAPI for this particular module? Someone in another thread, running JellyBean (minAPI16), inquired about the module in general.
Just wanted to make sure so I don't point him in the wrong direction.
Hmm, he might be better off with the iYTPB app but he can figure that out.
LG G3 D851, Tesla v4.4 ROM, MultiROM, Tapatalk 4.9.5
@Knuxyl, youtube stops playing in background around 5 - 10 mins when screen is off. When i open youtube it says error check connection, playback id:xxxxxx or something like that.
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quphkzie said:
@Knuxyl, youtube stops playing in background around 5 - 10 mins when screen is off. When i open youtube it says error check connection, playback id:xxxxxx or something like that.
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Yup same here
firehot_aman said:
Yup same here
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You'd to remove YouTube from battery optimization.
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ADM.GL said:
You'd to remove YouTube from battery optimization.
Enviado de meu Redmi Note 3 usando Tapatalk
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already did that but same results.
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12.43.52?
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I was having problems with this module on Nougat but realized the problem was that I had Data Saver on. Any kind of background internet limiter will screw with this. Once I turned this off, it was working fine.
Btw, I am not the creator of this app, I'm just building it from source, so any bugs or anything would need to be directed at the developer. Btw I believe min SDK was 4 and target SDK was 23.
Updating atm... will update first post
Latest has been uploaded. Seems to be much more stable then previous version.
Thx work perfect in my Honor 8
nice
Thanks, perfect on my Nougat with 12.43.52.
youtube keeps crashing
isnt working properly with cm11 (android 4.4) with the latest youtube app
Why isn't this on the Xposed repo?
knpk13 said:
Why isn't this on the Xposed repo?
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Google reported an abuse to rovo89, who had to remove the module from the repo.
That is why the team after the YTBP module stopped to publish official apks, and the only official thing you may download from the project's github at the moment is the source code for manual building. Please note that the YTBP module apks floating around on xda or elsewhere (like the one attached in this topic) are not official ones, but it doesn't really matter as the official ones do not exist at all
Careful! This module works fine until YouTube update on February 1st (in Europe). Had to uninstall and go back to previous version. I have unchecked auto updates for YouTube. Hope it can be fixed, it's great and an everyday tool for me
Is it this module or my phone but since two days, every one video in background so with the phone screen off, the YouTube app crashs or exits and sometimes I get in the preview of the video with the screen on, "audio available" with a background black, that's all, I have to back and select again my video to read it and 5 minutes later, same problem :/
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Is it this module or my phone but since two days, every one video in background so with the phone screen off, the YouTube app crashs or exits and sometimes I get in the preview of the video with the screen on, "audio available" with a background black, that's all, I have to back and select again my video to read it and 5 minutes later, same problem :/
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You should switch to Youtube Vanced non root. That is a way better solution than an xposed module. Plus they offer a black themed version. I stopped updating this because that was released and works perfect.
Knuxyl said:
You should switch to Youtube Vanced non root. That is a way better solution than an xposed module. Plus they offer a black themed version. I stopped updating this because that was released and works perfect.
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I have YouTube Back ground Playback v12.42.59 working with no issue on YouTube v13.25.56 with Xposed v90.beta3 Sdk 26 on my Moto z2 force.
It is working fine with YouTube App.
But it is not working with YouTube Music.
Thank you very much
Sadly this module doesn't work for YouTube anymore, at least on the 16.xx versions of 2021
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Sooooo, I went back to Jasmine Rom, and activated the internal call recording function, which has proven to be helpful(crazy ex wife, not "murder" crazy, just likes conflict) I don't know if any of the current AOSP ROM offers this, but I've been reading a lot of "after my Nexus 5 updated to lollipop, this app to record doesn't work anymore" Does anyone else have any similar needs, and has found something that works for them?? Thanks in advance for any and all help
Took the plunge today anyways, now running AOSPA 5.0. Still looking to see if anyone has a solid app for recording calls in lollipop.
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Took the plunge today anyways, now running AOSPA 5.0. Still looking to see if anyone has a solid app for recording calls in lollipop.
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I've found a few, but none promise auto-recording, for free, like we had with G3 TweaksBox.
xposed for 5.0 is out now. Its in it's infancy but there is a module for call recording which might be working. not sure if it's auto-call recording and may require you to hit record each time but should replace add-call button with record button during a call.
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xposed for 5.0 is out now. Its in it's infancy but there is a module for call recording which might be working. not sure if it's auto-call recording and may require you to hit record each time but should replace add-call button with record button during a call.
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I have Xposed installed, but I couldn't find the module. Can you provide a link? I just installed the CallRecorder app found here, and used the Standard API method, which seems to work okay. A lot of the trial/paid apps sounded like pure garbage on the G3.
Not a free app but there's a trial version available (10 days of usage iirc). Here's the link https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.skvalex.callrecorder. I have device set as LG G2 (vzw) and recording method set to CAF. I'm running Blisspop and alternate between stock kernel and the 777 R6 kernel. Worked great until I either changed kernels or tried recording in mp3 format. Will report back after a few more calls lol.
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Not a free app but there's a trial version available (10 days of usage iirc). Here's the link https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.skvalex.callrecorder. I have device set as LG G2 (vzw) and recording method set to CAF. I'm running Blisspop and alternate between stock kernel and the 777 R6 kernel. Worked great until I either changed kernels or tried recording in mp3 format. Will report back after a few more calls lol.
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This is the one I'm using, but I can't seem to get it to record automatically using CAF or other methods. Standard API works fine though.
http://repo.xposed.info/module/uk.co.villainrom.pulser.enablecallrecording
or if your looking for more features
http://repo.xposed.info/module/ma.wanam.xposed
rp201 said:
http://repo.xposed.info/module/uk.co.villainrom.pulser.enablecallrecording
or if your looking for more features
http://repo.xposed.info/module/ma.wanam.xposed
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First one doesn't work. I'll have to try the second one--but it says it is specific to Samsung ROMs... hmmm
Thanks for the suggestions, and I was looking for a button to record, not auto, only need it for the ex. I will give a few of these a try, as I've returned to a nandroid of jasmine I had. Got 4 other different versions of lollipop to try tho....
Hi,
i just installed greenify 2.6.2 beta 2 on my nexus 5 with android 5.0.1, working xposed (i use gravitybox without any problem), but it seems that greenify cant detect that i activated the module inside xposed.
Whenever i try to activate any funciont that needs xposed module it asks me to activate greenify module and reboot.
I tried rebooting but nothing changed
I have the same problem on my Nexus 5 as wel as on my Asus TF700.
I'm getting this also, on 4.0.4.
same on android 5.0.2 oneplus one cm12s
Can confirm the same.
Same here :/
Same. So frustrating. This update was supposed to fix the problem with deep hibernation interfering with certain apps (Drive, in particular), but now deep hibernation and all other Xposed features don't work for me at all. G3, 4.4.2
Same thing here with my device as well. I just updated to the Greenify v2.6.2 beta 2 on my rooted/xposed Verizon Galaxy Note 3 4.4.2 and I'm also getting the exact same error after trying to activate any of the Experimental Features that require Xposed. This appears to be a HUGE bug in this particular BETA version that spans several, if not all, versions of Android. This dev is good and he seems to be very responsive to his user-base, so I'd say we'll see an update with a fix very, very soon...hopefully today/tonight..
Same problem on kitkat nexus 4. I'm sure we'll have a fix soon. Going back to previous version until then.
same issue on oneplus one running 5.0.2 CM12 nightlies.
Have the same issue on LG G2 4.4.2, step back to beta 1
Same here... S4 4.4.2
the same problem moto G 2014, only greenify problem the other xposed are working normally
Same issue! Greenify not working with xposed at all. Could anyone please attach beta1 apk?
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Same here on ArchiDroid 3.0.x!
So it seems to be a general issue with the latest beta. After downgrading to previous version, everything's working again.
Very sorry for the broken xposed module in lollipop, beta 3 is rolling out to fix that.
+1 M8 sense based on 5.0.1
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Here is beta 3 with fix https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mspso6yvv1wbvju/AADc-vrK07my2C6-Drc20ErGa/Greenify.v2.6.2.beta.3.apk?dl=1
oasisfeng said:
Very sorry for the broken xposed module in lollipop, beta 3 is rolling out to fix that.
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I'm not sure if anyone else experienced this yesterday after updating to beta 2, but incoming text messages stopped coming through because of beta 2.
I just updated to beta 3 and still am experiencing this same issue with receiving text messages, however the Xposed Framework issue has been fixed. So that's good at least.
I went ahead and downgraded back to beta 1 and I am back to receiving text messages just fine, as I always have with it and prior. I've been using Greenify since forever now so it's not something I Greenified plus I haven't Greenified anything in months either. I went through my list again just to check and I don't see anything abnormal that would be related.
It's just for receiving text messages, those whom I tested with did receive my text messages I sent just fine.
Any insight oasisfeng?
Tnx beta 3 is working fine.
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I'm not sure if anyone else experienced this yesterday after updating to beta 2, but incoming text messages stopped coming through because of beta 2.
I just updated to beta 3 and still am experiencing this same issue with receiving text messages, however the Xposed Framework issue has been fixed. So that's good at least.
I went ahead and downgraded back to beta 1 and I am back to receiving text messages just fine, as I always have with it and prior. I've been using Greenify since forever now so it's not something I Greenified plus I haven't Greenified anything in months either. I went through my list again just to check and I don't see anything abnormal that would be related.
It's just for receiving text messages, those whom I tested with did receive my text messages I sent just fine.
Any insight oasisfeng?
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Do you have Deep Hibernation activated? And have you greenified the messaging app?
Hi All,
Youtube - playback issue:
I've just purchased a Mibox 4k MDZ-16-AB and trying to enjoy with adorable features which Xiaomi offers to the market.
But i got a very terrible problem that costs me a lot of time and headache a whole last weekend.
YOUTUBE - is not stable to play videos even though i had tried to moving from all 6.0 version to 7.0. I did try 1038, youtube got VP9 issue. Flashing to 1028, youtube has still the same.
Is there anyone who faced with this problem and know how to resolve it? Please help me!!!
Thanks~!
You should revert to build 1028 but first do a full delete of your cache.
If its any consolation, the latest beta Nougat build 1560 referenced a Youtube fix in the release notes
bigtalker said:
You should revert to build 1028 but first do a full delete of your cache.
If its any consolation, the latest beta Nougat build 1560 referenced a Youtube fix in the release notes
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Do you have download link build 1560?
bigtalker said:
You should revert to build 1028 but first do a full delete of your cache.
If its any consolation, the latest beta Nougat build 1560 referenced a Youtube fix in the release notes
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Hi, brother.
It said that there a small percentages of Youtube issue from factor (around 1 - 2%). Someone around me claim that they found the way to deal with this but requires to stay with 7.0 . Have u ever hear abt that before?
By the way, if you have the latest build 1560 downloadable file, please do share me.
I bought two of these box's. One for me, one for my father in-law.
I setup my own one first, immediately applying the software updates and played around with all the apps(there's not much on Android TV environment), installed Kodi and few different builds. Was satisfied enough with mine so I went ahead with the same process on my father in laws, gave it a quick test and dropped it off. Was giving him a demo and found the You Tube app wouldn't play VP9's.....uuugh... was pretty sure it was fine at my place so I dug around and found that some people thought DNS was the cause. So I updated DNS on his modem to googles 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 but to no avail. Tried uninstalling updates on YouTube (after clearing cache), still no joy. Ran out of time so will have another crack when I'm there next. I did realise when I got home that I hadn't rebooted the modem so fingers crossed, DNS may still be the problem.
My other thought was WIFI or maybe uPNP. My modem is a DIR 885 dlink but his modem is an NF12 netgear which isn't very well spec'd.
My other gripes are no 5.1 audio and writing to USB media...starting to think I should have got an RPi3
@quan0509 @bigtalker @haovh_85
You can get the links here
https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...ogic/mi-box-3-mdz-16-ab-update-v1560-t3718857
Credits goes to the original releaser (Miboy)
I was looking and found that the "documents" apk is missing in system apps, I downloaded and installed a working version however without root couldn't push it to system. when using es file explorer and asked for permissions to write to USB it does successfully open however shows no file system (again not a system app) is it possible to add this into the update zip and correct the USB write issue?
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One temporary solucion is install (SmartYouTubeTV_Orig_v6.12.02_r.apk). No chance 1028, use this APK. Enyoy.
tronzido said:
One temporary solucion is install (SmartYouTubeTV_Orig_v6.12.02_r.apk). No chance 1028, use this APK. Enyoy.
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Report. It's a hardware problem. I brought it back to the shop that i had purchased the item. The supporter checked then report that it 's hardware based issue even though he couldn't explain me why. Said, he got a lot of same cases.
Then gave me a new one as warranty terms. The new box perfectly works .
It's really hard to understand, am i right?
quan0509 said:
Hi All,
Youtube - playback issue:
I've just purchased a Mibox 4k MDZ-16-AB and trying to enjoy with adorable features which Xiaomi offers to the market.
But i got a very terrible problem that costs me a lot of time and headache a whole last weekend.
YOUTUBE - is not stable to play videos even though i had tried to moving from all 6.0 version to 7.0. I did try 1038, youtube got VP9 issue. Flashing to 1028, youtube has still the same.
Is there anyone who faced with this problem and know how to resolve it? Please help me!!!
Thanks~!
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Try removing your google account, works for me playing youtube without google account.
i've been using https://smartyoutubetv.github.io/ and it works great..
gave new life with my mibox when playing youtube videos.
for me https://smartyoutubetv.github.io/ still have a problem, but a little bit better then Google Youtube app. More video plays good!
vitaly_iak said:
for me https://smartyoutubetv.github.io/ still have a problem, but a little bit better then Google Youtube app. More video plays good!
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it was a hardware prb to me, i had backed the unit and got replacement. The new one works well. Xiaomi understand the prb, agree to replace but they haven't admitted officially.
So for the last year and a half or so, the Roku Android and iPhone apps just completely crash with "Operation Error" whenever you try to change Expert Picture Settings on them. Which makes HDR significantly worse on them, especially the 2017 models which need some serious calibration to look decent.
Roku keeps updating the TV software and the Android app, and the problem persists. They even have the gall to just close any topics made about this issue on their forums as "Resolved" any time they're made.
I'm guessing this is being done deliberately. Would anybody be capable of creating a custom version of the Android app that will let you use Expert Picture Settings?
Unfortunately, none of the older apps work. Any of them that don't immediately crash when opening Expert Picture Settings don't actually work with the newest TV OS updates.
No idea if this is the right place to post something like this. But since Roku is clearly not going to fix the problem...
EDIT: According to this Reddit thread
https://www.reddit.com/r/Roku/comments/jwg3rj
the problem appears to be the Android version. Android 11 devices will auto-crash. Older devices running Android 9 work fine.
I do not have a working Android 10 device so I can't test that out.
EDIT #2: Managed to raise my Pixel 1 XL from the dead. Android 10.... auto-crash.
Unlocked the Bootloader and flashed Android 9 to it. It works with even the newest Roku app! unbelievable that this would be the problem. Is it possible to fix this for newer Android versions, maybe?
Does anyone know if the official Roku Remote app works fine with an Official LineageOS ROM without Gapps, especially private listening
Thanks
Roku app version 6.0.7.241364-84 works for advanced picture settings and doesn't give the unavoidable "Roku app needs an update" message.
Roku v6.0.7.241364 APK Download
Download Roku v6.0.7.241364 APK - Roku is the official Android app that connects users to their Roku devices, no matter the generation or version.
mobile.softpedia.com
The Roku App (Official) v6.0.7.241364 (Android 4.4+) APK Download by Roku Inc. - APKMirror
The Roku App (Official) v6.0.7.241364 (Android 4.4+) APK Download by Roku Inc. - APKMirror Free and safe Android APK downloads
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If the links above no longer work, I'd guess you can use any 6.0.7 version prior to the above ones.
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Roku app version 6.0.7.241364-84 works for advanced picture settings and doesn't give the unavoidable "Roku app needs an update" message.
Roku v6.0.7.241364 APK Download
Download Roku v6.0.7.241364 APK - Roku is the official Android app that connects users to their Roku devices, no matter the generation or version.
mobile.softpedia.com
The Roku App (Official) v6.0.7.241364 (Android 4.4+) APK Download by Roku Inc. - APKMirror
The Roku App (Official) v6.0.7.241364 (Android 4.4+) APK Download by Roku Inc. - APKMirror Free and safe Android APK downloads
www.apkmirror.com
If the links above no longer work, I'd guess you can use any 6.0.7 version prior to the above ones.
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I'll try this out on my Roku TV. I'd given up on this completely after several years, honestly. Will update after I try
MultiKoopa said:
I'll try this out on my Roku TV. I'd given up on this completely after several years, honestly. Will update after I try
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I literally just calibrated one of the Roku TVs in my basement. I also checked and there are a few versions after this one that let you access advanced picture settings and these versions also don't prompt you to update. I skipped ahead to 6.0.15 and that does prompt for an update so definitely not that version or beyond.
Anyways, I found the advanced picture settings page may have a never ending loading icon when you click on it with Android 12 (at least on my OnePlus 9 Pro). I dug out my old Nexus 7 and it worked perfectly. Also, I had used this on Android/OxygenOS 11 many months ago on my OP9Pro and it worked with no problems, other than the app sometimes wanting to freeze, but you can still get your calibrations in.
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I literally just calibrated one of the Roku TVs in my basement. I also checked and there are a few versions after this one that let you access advanced picture settings and these versions also don't prompt you to update. I skipped ahead to 6.0.15 and that does prompt for an update so definitely not that version or beyond.
Anyways, I found the advanced picture settings page may have a never ending loading icon when you click on it with Android 12 (at least on my OnePlus 9 Pro). I dug out my old Nexus 7 and it worked perfectly. Also, I had used this on Android/OxygenOS 11 many months ago on my OP9Pro and it worked with no problems, other than the app sometimes wanting to freeze, but you can still get your calibrations in.
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ah yeah so I have Pixels. I didn't have an unlocked bootloader on my main phone, but I happened to have my old Pixel 1 XL laying around. the battery LITERALLY died in under 5 minutes when fully charged, so it was worthless, but I kept it plugged in and figured I might as well try it out with this since some people with older devices said older versions of the app still worked for them.
On a whim, I tried installing older Android versions, and eventually it worked! The older Roku apps only worked if I had Android 9 on it. Android 8 didn't work with versions of the app that still worked with my model of TV, and Android 10 had the same "Operation Error" issue.
I'll give the APK you linked to a shot, but I have my doubts it'll work on my Pixel 4a 5G with Android 12, and I'm definitely not gonna downgrade the OS on my main phone just to get this one app working for advanced picture settings lol
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ah yeah so I have Pixels. I didn't have an unlocked bootloader on my main phone, but I happened to have my old Pixel 1 XL laying around. the battery LITERALLY died in under 5 minutes when fully charged, so it was worthless, but I kept it plugged in and figured I might as well try it out with this since some people with older devices said older versions of the app still worked for them.
On a whim, I tried installing older Android versions, and eventually it worked! The older Roku apps only worked if I had Android 9 on it. Android 8 didn't work with versions of the app that still worked with my model of TV, and Android 10 had the same "Operation Error" issue.
I'll give the APK you linked to a shot, but I have my doubts it'll work on my Pixel 4a 5G with Android 12, and I'm definitely not gonna downgrade the OS on my main phone just to get this one app working for advanced picture settings lol
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Why don't you just use the old Pixel 1 and keep it plugged in while tuning the TV?
And the version I linked is confirmed by me to work on Android 11 (well, at least on OxygenOS). I have no clue if it'll work on your Pixel 4a 5g, but it had an indefinite loading animation on the advanced picture page on OOS 12.
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Why don't you just use the old Pixel 1 and keep it plugged in while tuning the TV?
And the version I linked is confirmed by me to work on Android 11 (well, at least on OxygenOS). I have no clue if it'll work on your Pixel 4a 5g, but it had an indefinite loading animation on the advanced picture page on OOS 12.
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No, yeah, I can do that. I'm just worried the phone will literally stop functioning at some point. I'm not exaggerating when I say the battery lasts less than 5 minutes on a full 100% charge. And any repair shop charges like $200 to replace the battery.
So I'm hopeful that I can just.... use my main phone, y'know?
MultiKoopa said:
No, yeah, I can do that. I'm just worried the phone will literally stop functioning at some point. I'm not exaggerating when I say the battery lasts less than 5 minutes on a full 100% charge. And any repair shop charges like $200 to replace the battery.
So I'm hopeful that I can just.... use my main phone, y'know?
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Yeah. And I can understand the concern. If it does get unplugged in the middle of calibration, I will say that everything you entered into the TV so far is already in there...you don't have to save anything.
Lmk if it works on the pixel with Android 12. That would be even better!
For context, I'm running lineage (19-20220824-NIGHTLY-dre) and this issue happens on every single camera app I've tried.
If I record a video let's say like a 2 second recording and then go to open that video the clip suddenly is an hour long with basically the entire hour being a single frame and the last 2 seconds being the 2 seconds I recorded. What's even weirder is the audio from the video plays during the first two seconds and then doesn't for the remaining time. Overall really weird and frustrating and I've spent hours trying to figure out what would cause this to no avail. Additional most gallery apps won't even open the videos recording and no pc can open them either. Any ideas?
Have you tried update Lineage? It's most recent update is 9/21 it looks like your about 4 updates behind. Not sure if it'll fix your issue though as I did not use camera while using Lineage and have since gone back to stock due to a display bug.
Edit: If you do want to update it SHOULD be fairly simple. You just go to settings>system>update and it should pull whatever the newest update it and install in the background. Note that even though it shouldn't cause any errors, there's always the chance it will so just be aware and ready.
Link575 said:
Have you tried update Lineage? It's most recent update is 9/21 it looks like your about 4 updates behind. Not sure if it'll fix your issue though as I did not use camera while using Lineage and have since gone back to stock due to a display bug.
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Yup just updated to the most recent version, still same issue
Looeelooee said:
Yup just updated to the most recent version, still same issue
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Ah ok, sorry that's all I got. You could always submit a bug report on the Lineage gitlabs and hopefully someone gets to it.
This is why I stick to US OEM Stock rom.
I can de-bloat it and EVERYTHING works.
scanman0 said:
This is why I stick to US OEM Stock rom.
I can de-bloat it and EVERYTHING works.
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You got a debloat list or something you follow? I could go for that see if smooths stock a little when playing pokemon go.
I have the latest LIneage, with the same problem, and am completely lost with what it could be. Recording videos in Snapchat works normally, but the stock camera, GCAM, and the GrapheneOS camera all have this issue, probably because they all use the Camera2 API.
I encountered this problem today but the uploads on Google photos came out correct (when I 'free up space' )
I am having this issue as well, just checking to see if anybody might have discovered anything