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Hey guys I've read some posts, reviews and watched some video samples of the Amaze and from what I can tell..it's true, the audio recording on this phone is horrible.
I wanted to ask if anyone from this forum could compare it to the MT4G?
That's the phone I am currently using now and want to know how does it measure up to the MT4G's audio recording when shooting video.
I ask because I record a lot of videos with my MT4G and it's important that the audio quality on the Amaze isn't less than my phone.
1080p would be awesome to have (mine has 720p) but I don't want to sacrifice audio quality.
So with that being said, could anyone tell me from personal experience whether it's worse or better when compared to MT4G?
Thanks a lot.
I would ask if you are so concerned for professional reasons and then I realized a pro would use a real camera...
Not trying to be a prick or anything. Just curious.
What is with the concern of how well the audio is recorded off your phones camera?
Turboboxer said:
I would ask if you are so concerned for professional reasons and then I realized a pro would use a real camera...
Not trying to be a prick or anything. Just curious.
What is with the concern of how well the audio is recorded off your phones camera?
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Because I don't own a point and shoot camera so I rely on my phone to do all the recording.
I have two kids, 5 and 4, and I record them all day, everyday.
So yeah I just don't want to sacrifice the audio quality for better video quality.
Cause if you have kids that young you should know the audio is the most important part!! They say some of the craziest things. Lol.
Anyway, thanks for asking though. I don't mind explaining. Do you have any thoughts here?
nguyendqh said:
Because I don't own a point and shoot camera so I rely on my phone to do all the recording.
I have two kids, 5 and 4, and I record them all day, everyday.
So yeah I just don't want to sacrifice the audio quality for better video quality.
Cause if you have kids that young you should know the audio is the most important part!! They say some of the craziest things. Lol.
Anyway, thanks for asking though. I don't mind explaining. Do you have any thoughts here?
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If you want good audio quality on a phone camcorder, you're not going to have any luck with HTC, put simply. The Amaze is a fantastic phone and video quality is among the best out there, but audio has never been HTCs strong point. If you're looking for great audio, I'd suggest looking into a Motorola device, though T-Mobile really doesnt support Moto anymore it seems. If you do go with Motorola, just know that video quality will not be the best on most, at least from what I've seen. The Razr looks solid on both fronts. Then there's the iPhone 4S, which undoubtedly has the best of both worlds. Either way, I'll stick with the Amaze. I love it in every way.
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nguyendqh said:
Because I don't own a point and shoot camera so I rely on my phone to do all the recording.
I have two kids, 5 and 4, and I record them all day, everyday.
So yeah I just don't want to sacrifice the audio quality for better video quality.
Cause if you have kids that young you should know the audio is the most important part!! They say some of the craziest things. Lol.
Anyway, thanks for asking though. I don't mind explaining. Do you have any thoughts here?
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AWESOME!!!! Way better answer than anything I could think of. I definitely see where you are coming from. Audio would be very important.
Not that I have taken a lot of video with mine yet but I have to say it does not sound any better/worse than my iPhone's ever did. Video is a ****load better though
Turboboxer said:
AWESOME!!!! Way better answer than anything I could think of. I definitely see where you are coming from. Audio would be very important.
Not that I have taken a lot of video with mine yet but I have to say it does not sound any better/worse than my iPhone's ever did. Video is a ****load better though
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So it's not like a horrible difference yeah? Well that's good.
I mean my biggest thing was whether it'll be worse than my current phone.
myTouch 4G.
That's really what I'm trying to get at.
I don't have a problem with my phone's current audio recording.
I just don't want to be downgrading. =P
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If you want good audio quality on a phone camcorder, you're not going to have any luck with HTC, put simply. The Amaze is a fantastic phone and video quality is among the best out there, but audio has never been HTCs strong point. If you're looking for great audio, I'd suggest looking into a Motorola device, though T-Mobile really doesnt support Moto anymore it seems. If you do go with Motorola, just know that video quality will not be the best on most, at least from what I've seen. The Razr looks solid on both fronts. Then there's the iPhone 4S, which undoubtedly has the best of both worlds. Either way, I'll stick with the Amaze. I love it in every way.
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I can understand what you're saying, but my thing was just whether it's an audio downgrade from my current phone, the HTC myTouch 4G.
That's all. But thank you for the suggestions and yeah I'm not a big fan of Moto phones either.
Thank you.
What about Music quality?
How is the audio quality for music and video? I use my phone as mp3 player.
saulcho009 said:
How is the audio quality for music and video? I use my phone as mp3 player.
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The audio quality is very good. But not stellar. Much depends on the source. If you use badly compressed mp3 files and cheap earbuds don't expect much. The phone can play .flac files if you install a 3rd party player like PowerAMP. That combined with a good set of headphones (I'm using Klipsch, which are also very good but not stellar) then the audio quality is more than adequate.
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The audio quality is very good. But not stellar. Much depends on the source. If you use badly compressed mp3 files and cheap earbuds don't expect much. The phone can play .flac files if you install a 3rd party player like PowerAMP. That combined with a good set of headphones (I'm using Klipsch, which are also very good but not stellar) then the audio quality is more than adequate.
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I'm not that much of an audiophile but I do have good earbuds so I guess I should be set. Thanks
Why don't you take you're kids to a t-mobile and take some test videos too compare? Seems Luke that would be the easiest thing for you to do and you would not have to rely on any the opinion of someone else.
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As far as recording, the audio is just as good as my vibrant...take that as you may--I am not a huge video guy. Plus, once you record, you can edit the audio on your pc.
PowerAmp is the single, most important app for me...in the car, at work, everywhere, the output is amazing.
alexp162002 said:
Why don't you take you're kids to a t-mobile and take some test videos too compare? Seems Luke that would be the easiest thing for you to do and you would not have to rely on any the opinion of someone else.
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Sounds like a good idea there. Lol. I will probably do just that. Thanks.
Beats Audio
Do you know if Beats Audio will be in the Amaze anytime soon or in the dev posts?
audio seem ok to me...I had the SGS2 which only provides MONO audio, and audio quality seemed good . This phone provides mono and Stereo so I played around with it and when I put it on mono audio the sound quality is much better, but then again you get mono....So It might have something to do with the extra microphones trying to pick up extra sound and cutting out the background noise....Personally I feel the sound on the Amaze is much more clear with high treble, than the SGS2, is the only phone I can compare it to. sound on SGS2 was muffled a little. also the speakerphone on the back and front of the HTC device sound much less muffled than My SGS2, I have no experience with motrola or any other brank of phone.
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Do you know if Beats Audio will be in the Amaze anytime soon or in the dev posts?
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We already got a couple of roms that have Beats Audio Hack. Check them out
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We already got a couple of roms that have Beats Audio Hack. Check them out
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Ok Thanks...
nguyendqh said:
Sounds like a good idea there. Lol. I will probably do just that. Thanks.
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I installed a app from the marketplace called Volume+, it was less than 2 dollars. But you can go to the dev website and download it for free. It boost up the volume from the audio playing from the loudspeaker and headset. I don't know if it will boost the recorded incoming audio. To me I had the MT4G rooted with a sense 3.0 Rom and I already love this amaze. As long as your hand doesn't block the microphones on the phone it is fine. Plus for 15 dollars you can buy the adapter to hook up to your tv and watch the glorious 1080p via HDMI. Also my Amaze is all stock. Plus the reception and call quality is very good.
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keepzero said:
I installed a app from the marketplace called Volume+, it was less than 2 dollars. But you can go to the dev website and download it for free. It boost up the volume from the audio playing from the loudspeaker and headset. I don't know if it will boost the recorded incoming audio. To me I had the MT4G rooted with a sense 3.0 Rom and I already love this amaze. As long as your hand doesn't block the microphones on the phone it is fine. Plus for 15 dollars you can buy the adapter to hook up to your tv and watch the glorious 1080p via HDMI. Also my Amaze is all stock. Plus the reception and call quality is very good.
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This may seem odd but I found that, to me at least, it sounds better with the "stereo recording" off. That's how my MT4G videos sound.
Anyway, volume is not the problem here. It's sound quality.
I get the best recording with an app called rec forge, mono, wav and 22khz sample rate. The stereo recording does not improve the fidelity of the sound. I have yet to try an external Mic.
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So i have heard and saw that the audio through headphones on the lumia 800 has been hideous but the update was said to improve the quality. I was just wondering if anyone had any improvements ?
Someone said that syncing the songs through Zune makes the audio as good as any other device, can anyone confirm ?
If there are still problems, We should try to identify it; Codecs, The Jack (With it supporting TRRS, Could = problems), The Nokia player, Bit rate capping... If you have any other ideas on what it could be post them and i will add and maybe someone with the know how could look into it for us.
My opinion leans towards it being Codec and Player related, Maybe Zune optimizes/translates the music files into a format that the codec reads best, This being said i doubt Nokia would go to the trouble in using a specifically optimized codec versus the range of high quality lossless codecs available at no expense.
Does anyone know if the Lumia 800 plays .FLAC (one of the highest bit rates and quality music formats) ?
I use JVC HA-FX34 in ear headphones, I cant really say much about the earphone qulity side of problems but my Blackberry (Yeah i had one ) and my android tablet played 320Kbps Mp3's well, As far as my experience goes in producing bass these are up there, There is no song i haven't listened to where the bass hasn't been sufficient with these earphones. I Listen to alot of bass dependant songs too, Over 800 Drum and Bass and Dubstep songs between my two devices, That said when i get my Lumia (2 Days ) ill tell you if there really is something wrong with the bass after the update and to see if we can troubleshoot the remaining problems.
Audio quality seems fine to me. Rather average, but certainly not poor. I do hear some barely audible ticks through my headphones when nothing is playing, but haven't noticed them during playback. Some of the complaints about audio quality might be coming from those who dare to use the headphones supplied with the phone, as they are truly awful. The only real complaint I have is that button presses from my Sony headphones, which worked fine with my Titan, aren't recognized. Wonder if the music control / answer button works on any headphones other than the ones supplied.
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So i have heard and saw that the audio through headphones on the lumia 800 has been hideous but the update was said to improve the quality. I was just wondering if anyone had any improvements ?
Someone said that syncing the songs through Zune makes the audio as good as any other device, can anyone confirm ?
If there are still problems, We should try to identify it; Codecs, The Jack (With it supporting TRRS, Could = problems), The Nokia player, Bit rate capping... If you have any other ideas on what it could be post them and i will add and maybe someone with the know how could look into it for us.
My opinion leans towards it being Codec and Player related, Maybe Zune optimizes/translates the music files into a format that the codec reads best, This being said i doubt Nokia would go to the trouble in using a specifically optimized codec versus the range of high quality lossless codecs available at no expense.
Does anyone know if the Lumia 800 plays .FLAC (one of the highest bit rates and quality music formats) ?
I use JVC HA-FX34 in ear headphones, I cant really say much about the earphone qulity side of problems but my Blackberry (Yeah i had one ) and my android tablet played 320Kbps Mp3's well, As far as my experience goes in producing bass these are up there, There is no song i haven't listened to where the bass hasn't been sufficient with these earphones. I Listen to alot of bass dependant songs too, Over 800 Drum and Bass and Dubstep songs between my two devices, That said when i get my Lumia (2 Days ) ill tell you if there really is something wrong with the bass after the update and to see if we can troubleshoot the remaining problems.
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Personally I would never use my phone for listening to music. The problem with each and (nearly) every one of them is the DAC, which is generally cheaper and less efficient compared to the one that comes with dedicated devices (just with some actually, the Cirrus DAC of the 4S/latest gen Apple devices is quite crap). Also, if you're an audiophile WP7 is probably the worse choice ever since the OS doesn't support FLAC. Honestly that's not a big deal to me because I still have to find a phone sounding as good as any device with a Wolfson DAC. To my knowledge there isn't a way to troubleshoot hardware, which is the main issue here. This coupled with the limits of the OS (limited audio format support) should really make you think about getting serious and grab some good music player, like Cowon ones, or even Sandisk or Creative ones if you wanna go cheaper. The only drawback is that once you've tried some real good audio hardware you'll never be able to go back to the crappy quality of a phone.
Anyway if you really want to use your phone for your music (which I don't recommend) then you should really consider getting an Android, the hardware might be more or less the same **** but at least you can play every format and you have some almost decent EQ solutions. Just my 2 cents...
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Personally I would never use my phone for listening to music. The problem with each and (nearly) every one of them is the DAC, which is generally cheaper and less efficient compared to the one that comes with dedicated devices (just with some actually, the Cirrus DAC of the 4S/latest gen Apple devices is quite crap). Also, if you're an audiophile WP7 is probably the worse choice ever since the OS doesn't support FLAC. Honestly that's not a big deal to me because I still have to find a phone sounding as good as any device with a Wolfson DAC. To my knowledge there isn't a way to troubleshoot hardware, which is the main issue here. This coupled with the limits of the OS (limited audio format support) should really make you think about getting serious and grab some good music player, like Cowon ones, or even Sandisk or Creative ones if you wanna go cheaper. The only drawback is that once you've tried some real good audio hardware you'll never be able to go back to the crappy quality of a phone.
Anyway if you really want to use your phone for your music (which I don't recommend) then you should really consider getting an Android, the hardware might be more or less the same **** but at least you can play every format and you have some almost decent EQ solutions. Just my 2 cents...
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Never knew about DAC's, Did a little research on the Lumia's DAC and found that
It might, but most decent mobile DAC internally don't process above 600kbps or so (at least the zune HD does around there), though a bad studio also might use audio sources not upto the quality.
But I think there is noticeable noise with decent cans, even on a good audio source, at least with my ATH-M50s in a quiet area. Audio set to 5/30. It's noticeable every once in a while. Just a little bit of hissing after a song ends, and a little pop before the hissing stops. I'm using CD lossless rips (Zune converted to 256/320k) of Kelly Clarkson, Taylor Swift, and Eminem CDs, for reference. If it was something like a recent Metallica CD, I'd blame it on the studio for sure .
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I bolded the relevant bits, Even at 600Kbps the audio should be more than decent, As for the Zune thing to the people who are complaining of ****e audio quality with the Nokia Music app, Make sure you have a 320Kbps .mp3 and have a listen i'd like some feedback please.
Back on topic, I'm 15 and you know how it is money is tight, Do you know of any stylish, cheap and good sounding audio players, Small and discreet would be a bonus, Nothing smaller than 4GB or a Micros SD slot would be nice too. £40/$63 Is probably the most i can afford.
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Never knew about DAC's, Did a little research and found that
I bolded the relevant bits, Even at 600Kbps the audio should be more than decent, As for the Zune thing to the people who are complaining of ****e audio quality with the Nokia Music app, Make sure you have a 320Kbps .mp3 and have a listen i'd like some feedback please.
Back on topic, I'm 15 and you know how it is money is tight, Do you know of any stylish, cheap and good sounding audio players, Small and discreet would be a bonus, Nothing smaller than 4GB or a Micros SD slot would be nice too. £40/$63 Is probably the most i can afford.
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A year ago I wanted to purge myself of Apple, so I sold my iPod and picked up an inexpensive Sony Walkman E Series for $65USD. I'm quite impressed with its size and performance.
Also, I would check your Zune settings before syncing music. By default Zune will compress anything above 192kbps down to save space on your device. Most of my collection is 256kbps or 320kbps mp3s so I unchecked that option.
Honestly I have to admit I've never tried CD rips on a WP7 device so I cannot tell if it's good or bad. I'll try that as soon as i get the phone. Anyway some issues with non-dedicated devices are e.g. the fact that generally they have some noise in the output due to the fact that they have a radio unit and a noisy cpu. I had a GS2 a while ago and that was really painful. Looking at the review on gsmarena it seems like the lumia has some problems with stereo crosstalk and tends to cut-off bass frequencies, so that may actually be a concern for someone listening to your kind of music I guess...
If you want a good player, both decent looking and powerful you may have alook at the Creative Zen X-Fi Style. Other options may be the Sandisk Sansa Clip+, with the same sound quality and half the price, but that's definitely not so fancy looking. Cowon devices are very good too, but some of them, especially the lower end ones have a pretty gimmicky interface and they're not exactly "hair-thin" or cool to look at, despite packing the best output quality and EQ (hardware based); anyway they also cost a bit more (around 100€), so they may not be your cup of tea. I have the C2 right now, it's rather plain and the interface is super-gimmicky and unituitive, but the the sound quality is worth it for me. It also has a very long lasting battery (almost 50 hrs) and has a microsd slot which is a pretty cool feature IMHO.
Even Nokia agree with the quality of the sound being poor, that's why they are updating it, anybody who believe that it ain't are just in denial, defending Nokia, god knows why, I hope they're getting paid for it. I hope the update solves it, would love if they added an equalizer.
sHaHiN786 said:
Even Nokia agree with the quality of the sound being poor, that's why they are updating it, anybody who believe that it ain't are just in denial, defending Nokia, god knows why, I hope they're getting paid for it. I hope the update solves it, would love if they added an equalizer.
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People who prefer lossless audio codecs and use $100+ headphones (aka audiophiles) might have that opinion, but not the average person. I'm no audiophile, but I am definitely more picky than the average person about sound quality. I can greatly appreciate the difference between low end headphones (the ones included with most devices or any that can be purchased for less than $40 generally) and even a mid-range pair ($40-$100). I have no problem with the Lumia 800. Sound quality isn't as good as my old Galaxy S that had a Wolfson DAC, but it's still acceptable and allows me to enjoy my music on the go. I definitely have no reason to defend Nokia. I haven't owned one since the days of dumbphones, I own three other high end phones, and I didn't even pay for my Lumia 800 as it was a gift.
Ricehead said:
So i have heard and saw that the audio through headphones on the lumia 800 has been hideous but the update was said to improve the quality. I was just wondering if anyone had any improvements ?
Someone said that syncing the songs through Zune makes the audio as good as any other device, can anyone confirm ?
If there are still problems, We should try to identify it; Codecs, The Jack (With it supporting TRRS, Could = problems), The Nokia player, Bit rate capping... If you have any other ideas on what it could be post them and i will add and maybe someone with the know how could look into it for us.
My opinion leans towards it being Codec and Player related, Maybe Zune optimizes/translates the music files into a format that the codec reads best, This being said i doubt Nokia would go to the trouble in using a specifically optimized codec versus the range of high quality lossless codecs available at no expense.
Does anyone know if the Lumia 800 plays .FLAC (one of the highest bit rates and quality music formats) ?
I use JVC HA-FX34 in ear headphones, I cant really say much about the earphone qulity side of problems but my Blackberry (Yeah i had one ) and my android tablet played 320Kbps Mp3's well, As far as my experience goes in producing bass these are up there, There is no song i haven't listened to where the bass hasn't been sufficient with these earphones. I Listen to alot of bass dependant songs too, Over 800 Drum and Bass and Dubstep songs between my two devices, That said when i get my Lumia (2 Days ) ill tell you if there really is something wrong with the bass after the update and to see if we can troubleshoot the remaining problems.
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The update for the audio and camera is coming soon by the way, no eta's so far.
sHaHiN786 said:
Even Nokia agree with the quality of the sound being poor, that's why they are updating it, anybody who believe that it ain't are just in denial, defending Nokia, god knows why, I hope they're getting paid for it. I hope the update solves it, would love if they added an equalizer.
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From what i can make out Nokia cant do anything to the firm/software to improve it, In my eyes they should make a revised version with as many bugs as possible fixed and offer a straight swap for your current Lumia.
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Also, I would check your Zune settings before syncing music. By default Zune will compress anything above 192kbps down to save space on your device. Most of my collection is 256kbps or 320kbps mp3s so I unchecked that option.
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Noted, +1, Thank you
vnvman said:
Honestly I have to admit I've never tried CD rips on a WP7 device so I cannot tell if it's good or bad. I'll try that as soon as i get the phone. Anyway some issues with non-dedicated devices are e.g. the fact that generally they have some noise in the output due to the fact that they have a radio unit and a noisy cpu. I had a GS2 a while ago and that was really painful. Looking at the review on gsmarena it seems like the lumia has some problems with stereo crosstalk and tends to cut-off bass frequencies, so that may actually be a concern for someone listening to your kind of music I guess...
If you want a good player, both decent looking and powerful you may have alook at the Creative Zen X-Fi Style. Other options may be the Sandisk Sansa Clip+, with the same sound quality and half the price, but that's definitely not so fancy looking. Cowon devices are very good too, but some of them, especially the lower end ones have a pretty gimmicky interface and they're not exactly "hair-thin" or cool to look at, despite packing the best output quality and EQ (hardware based); anyway they also cost a bit more (around 100€), so they may not be your cup of tea. I have the C2 right now, it's rather plain and the interface is super-gimmicky and unituitive, but the the sound quality is worth it for me. It also has a very long lasting battery (almost 50 hrs) and has a microsd slot which is a pretty cool feature IMHO.
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Might get the Sansa has some good features and is super cheap, +1 for the input.
Lumia is lacking of bass, it's ok with monster purity, but with my Creative EP630 it's almost poor quality
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The update for the audio and camera is coming soon by the way, no eta's so far.
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Looking forward to it
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People who prefer lossless audio codecs and use $100+ headphones (aka audiophiles) might have that opinion, but not the average person. I'm no audiophile, but I am definitely more picky than the average person about sound quality. I can greatly appreciate the difference between low end headphones (the ones included with most devices or any that can be purchased for less than $40 generally) and even a mid-range pair ($40-$100). I have no problem with the Lumia 800. Sound quality isn't as good as my old Galaxy S that had a Wolfson DAC, but it's still acceptable and allows me to enjoy my music on the go. I definitely have no reason to defend Nokia. I haven't owned one since the days of dumbphones, I own three other high end phones, and I didn't even pay for my Lumia 800 as it was a gift.
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Have you ever experienced such "problems" as described by other users before the update perhaps, or have you enjoyed it from the start.
As a random question to everyone, Do you know if Windows Phone 7.5 users will be able to update to WP8 or will there be a new range of phones.
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Have you ever experienced such "problems" as described by other users before the update perhaps, or have you enjoyed it from the start.
As a random question to everyone, Do you know if Windows Phone 7.5 users will be able to update to WP8 or will there be a new range of phones.
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It's my understanding (read it a while ago) that major Windows Phone software updates are supposed to be compatible two devices back.
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It's my understanding (read it a while ago) that major Windows Phone software updates are supposed to be compatible two devices back.
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Not so the HTC HD2 running 6.5 was not upgrade able to WP7, Attached is a screenshot of a question from the answers.microsoft site, No WP8 for WP7.5 makes me a sad bunny.
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Not so the HTC HD2 running 6.5 was not upgrade able to WP7, Attached is a screenshot of a question from the answers.microsoft site, No WP8 for WP7.5 makes me a sad bunny.
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I know it's semantical, but the HD2 is/was not Windows Phone. It's Windows Mobile... a completely different OS.
And... yes... the HD2 is fully capable of running Mango with ease. It's just cannot be officially updated to it.
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Have you ever experienced such "problems" as described by other users before the update perhaps, or have you enjoyed it from the start.
As a random question to everyone, Do you know if Windows Phone 7.5 users will be able to update to WP8 or will there be a new range of phones.
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I haven't received any firmware update, but I got the 8107 OS update the first time I plugged in my device so I never really used the phone on 7740 or whatever it was on previously.
I did try the headphones that came with the phone and audio quality with those was indeed awful, but that's something I expected and with my own headphones audio quality is fine (average for a modern smartphone).
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Have you ever experienced such "problems" as described by other users before the update perhaps, or have you enjoyed it from the start.
As a random question to everyone, Do you know if Windows Phone 7.5 users will be able to update to WP8 or will there be a new range of phones.
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Yes, it will, it has been confirmed that our handset will, can't find the link for it.
The link to confirm the audio issue is being dealt with: http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2012...bout-lumia-800-battery-life-audio-and-camera/
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I know it's semantical, but the HD2 is/was not Windows Phone. It's Windows Mobile... a completely different OS.
And... yes... the HD2 is fully capable of running Mango with ease. It's just cannot be officially updated to it.
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So really im just a dumbass because i didnt even realise there was a difference and that the lumia will be more than likely be able to run Apollo
Maybe super curio could chime in. The Yamaha DAC will downgrade everything to 16/44.1, I'm shooting for a goal of 24/96. The i777 has the same DAC so I was wondering if anyone here could help with the development of this to integrate audiophile sound quality into various Galaxy s2 kernels.
May I ask where you get your music (@ 24bit 96KHz)? Or you're talking about playing audio you're recording/producing yourself (using a DAW)? I'm only asking because I'm a musician and producer too, so I'm interested in that.
Cheers!
There's all sorts of things you could play in 24 bit. Hd tracks has classic albums of various genres transfered from the master tapes to 24 bit files, some even up to 24/192. Some people do 24/96 rips of their vinyl albums. And also as a musician, being able to hear and present your own music to others with your phone is a great thing too, and arguably easier than burning a dvd-v with a blank picture, and surely more affordable than burning reference bluray audio discs.
Certainly it's not a way to put SACDs, DVDs and blurays out of their usefulness by any means, but for personal enjoyment when your home theater isn't available, it would be a great way to enjoy audiophile-quality music.
Being that the Yamaha DAC in our devices was designed to compete with the Wolfson, I see no reason to not believe it is capable of at least 24/96 playback. As the spec sheet was not made publicly available, I don't know for sure though. What I do know however, is that 16 bit/44.1 kHz is an old, outdated spec from the 80's.
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Also for more information, I'm trying to get some info together for jeboo, who has worked with the leaked i91000 JB source for the Shostock3 rom, which is a stock-based JB 4.1.2 rom for the i777.
So I figure what ever information we uncover can be applied to multie different roms between these similar devices, just tweaked as needed.
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Hey, thanks for the HD recordings tip, wonderful site :good::good:
I want to bump this thread. 24 bit audio playback may not be an extremely common feature request but it certainly would enrich users experiences that would use it.
Super curio can't be PM'd but if anyone talks to him, perhaps they could direct him to this thread since he has the know how about this kind of thing.
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For anyone who has the Z2 (or Z3) and has been using the Sony Walkman app (including EQ, etc), my question is how good is it when compared to PowerAmp? On Walkman do you use ClearAudio+ AND/OR DSEE HX?? I want to get the Z3 and trade-in my HTC One M8, but in doing so, that means I HAVE to use the Walkman app if I want to have the option for mp3 upscaling (DSEE HX) since PowerAmp doesn't have it. But I know that although the Z3 Walkman app has DSEE HX, it only has a 4-band EQ vs PowerAmp's 10-band EQ. And it seems like at least some ppl think PowerAmp is better.
Any advice, suggestions, or alternate options would be appreciated!!
Thank You,
RockStar2005
It depends on what you arr more comfortable with
I prefer walkman because im use to it and its useful
I love the noise canceling features and the EQ heeds to what i need although it does lack a tiny bit but that can be easily fixed with 3rd party EQ apps
Envious_Data said:
It depends on what you arr more comfortable with
I prefer walkman because im use to it and its useful
I love the noise canceling features and the EQ heeds to what i need although it does lack a tiny bit but that can be easily fixed with 3rd party EQ apps
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Envious,
I deeply appreciate your reply on this issue. Lemme ask you some questions to further understand what you're saying:
1) I see. I just bought the noise-cancelling earphones (the ones made specifically for the Z2 and Z3: http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en.../digital-noise-cancelling-headset-mdr-nc31em/) and am anxious to use them (or return them if I don't get the Z3 lol). Is that activated in the Sony sound settings menu or in the Walkman app sound settings? Also same question for ClearAudio+?
2) Would those 3rd party EQ apps work in conjunction with Walkman? If so, can you recommend any 3rd party EQ apps to use with it? I will look around but if you know of or use any, please let me know their names and I'll gladly try them out.
Thank You,
RockStar2005
RockStar2005 said:
Envious,
I deeply appreciate your reply on this issue. Lemme ask you some questions to further understand what you're saying:
1) I see. I just bought the noise-cancelling earphones (the ones made specifically for the Z2 and Z3: http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en.../digital-noise-cancelling-headset-mdr-nc31em/) and am anxious to use them (or return them if I don't get the Z3 lol). Is that activated in the Sony sound settings menu or in the Walkman app sound settings? Also same question for ClearAudio+?
2) Would those 3rd party EQ apps work in conjunction with Walkman? If so, can you recommend any 3rd party EQ apps to use with it? I will look around but if you know of or use any, please let me know their names and I'll gladly try them out.
Thank You,
RockStar2005
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The noise canceling headphones do not require walkman because the noise canceling is seperate but for some reason walkman has to be functioning for it to work even if your using different media players
(basicly means it works on any media player so long as walkman is on the device)
You do require a xperia Z2 or newer because its the Xperia that has the tech to enable noise canceling on hit earphones
And any eq will work if it shows in the sound settings under media effects
One i know to work is viperfx4android but it requires root
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Envious,
Oh wow, ok. Thanks for including those pics. I've seen them before but wasn't sure which menu they fell under. So at least THOSE (Noise-Cancelling, ClearAudio) are on the phone's sound settings not Walkman's.
So even if I'm not using Walkman, as long as it's on the phone, I can still use other ones and get noise-cancellation. Interesting. I may just use Walkman.................the 3rd party app idea is a great one!
Yeah I'm getting the Z3 but I was aware that it only works from Z2 going forward. See that's the thing..... I'm looking to trade my HTC One M8 in for the Z3 because I had to root it (and do S-OFF) in order to get things like the Harman/Kardon mod, etc. I'd like to get away from that if possible though. (I have heard of Viper4Android etc too.... tried to d/l it but it wouldn't install for some reason on my M8). So my mission now will be to look for an app that works with Walkman that is AS GOOD as PowerAmp but doesn't require rooting.
If you come across any others, please let me know.
Thanks again!!
RockStar2005
Envious_Data said:
The noise canceling headphones do not require walkman because the noise canceling is seperate but for some reason walkman has to be functioning for it to work even if your using different media players
(basicly means it works on any media player so long as walkman is on the device)
You do require a xperia Z2 or newer because its the Xperia that has the tech to enable noise canceling on hit earphones
And any eq will work if it shows in the sound settings under media effects
One i know to work is viperfx4android but it requires root
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Envious,
I talked to someone on xda who says she has the Z2 and has seen the Z3 in person (she lives in Japan), and she said the DSEE HX feature will still work even if I use PowerAmp as long as I switch DSEE HX on in Walkman first. She said she uses PowerAmp as well and the bass boost option in Walkman remains active even she uses PowerAmp, and she seemed very sure about this. So I think my problem's solved!! Yessss!!!!!!!!! :good: lol
Thanks again for your input here today!
RockStar2005
Not too sure if i made this clear
But any EQ app can work with any media player so long as that eq app was selected as default
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Not too sure if i made this clear
But any EQ app can work with any media player so long as that eq app was selected as default
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Yeah I wasn't fully clear on it until that lady with the Z2 said it. PowerAmp isn't just an EQ app it's (as you probably know too) a full-blown music player.
Thanks!
RockStar2005
Can you share this sony music app ? I want to test the noise cancelling. Thanks
seferismo said:
Can you share this sony music app ? I want to test the noise cancelling. Thanks
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Here ya go. The Walkman app is now called Music.
Do you have a Sony phone? If not, it probably won't work. But if so, you probably already have the app.
I dont have. Unfortunately
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I dont have. Unfortunately
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The noise cancelling feature is exclusive to the Sony phones, so you could download the app but w/o the technology found ON the Sony Xperia Z phones available, you won't have what you need to use it.
What phone do you have? Maybe you could get a Z phone the next time around? Your call.
I used to use poweramp before I discovered Viper4android. The equalizer was the main reason why I used it.
Of course the original Sony walkman doesn't have so many features. It's missing many basic things, like deleting song, change sorting order etc but it's simple and beautiful (especially the older version).
The one thing I've noticed is that new Sony music app doesn't work well for me on kitkat.
Unfortunately I don't use any Sony enhancements, as it did cause some trouble with the speakers.
Anyway, you may always try the app yourself before changing the phone. It's available for all phones in Google.
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Mr.loverlover,
Don't you have to be rooted though to get Viper4android? When I had my HTC One M8 last year, I did decide to root it and had one of the Viper ROMs or MODs on there. It was great, but only worked b/c I'd unlocked and rooted my phone. I have NO plans or desire to do that again though on my current Sony Xperia Z3, so for me it's a no-go on that.
I think the equalizer on PowerAmp is fantastic and I'd compared this app to about a dozen other players, and none of them could top PowerAmp in every category.........sound quality, ease of use/UI, options & features, looks, etc. The Sony Walkman/Music app came very close though, and only had a 5-band EQ, but PowerAmp (which has a 10-band EQ) STILL had a slight edge when it came to sound quality.
Well in the past I just listened to music straight from my phone, so back then, I did use a couple of the sound features found in the Audio Settings menu. I'd used DSEE HX for improving the sound quality of non Hi-Res content (it's disabled when playing anything above 16-bit/44.1kHz, or CD-Quality), and also I enabled the Surround Sound feature (Studio) as well. They really made the sound quality awesome! Since I was using PowerAmp though I left the Walkman EQ on "Off", and Clear Bass I varied it up. But let me suggest to you........ if I was to use Walkman/Music over PowerAmp, I would HIGHLY suggest the "Soul" preset on there. To me, it's BY FAR the best EQ preset on there. All it does is raise the mid-range up a couple notches, but it makes a big difference in SQ. The vocals will sound clearer and the drums will have more WEIGHT to them. But now that I have a high-quality amp/DAC, I leave those features off (aside from PowerAmp's EQ presets) and keep the Walkman/Music app's EQ on Off so it doesn't interfere with PowerAmp. Those features only sound good when you're listening straight from phone, but if you use some upgraded equipment like I do, those same features actually make the sound worse not better, so yeah, I leave 'em off now.
In the last year I've really gotten into the whole Hi-Res thing........ and have learned a lot too about what equipment options are out there, various settings, and why downsampling Hi-Res content is a very good thing. I've tried different portable amp/DACs and players, and various headphones as well. My current set up is connecting my Z3 (which acts as my music player, with PowerAmp at the helm & I use a couple different presets of which I'd created and configured based off the "Rock" EQ preset) to my portable amp/DAC, the Celsus Sound Companion One (CO), which is INCREDIBLE, and I listen to all that using my Sony MDR-1A headphones. The CO is very well-rated, even being said to sound better than amp/DACs (portable and desktop) and player TWICE to TRIPLE its price ($595). Looks like a fat iPhone right? lol The 1As ($299) are very premium in looks and sound, and have that bass PUNCH that even the more expensive (though also slightly better-looking) Bowers & Wilkins P7s don't quite have. The AKG K550s, which I had before the 1As, are equal in sound but require an amp where the 1As did not. And this was back when I didn't have the CO and wanted to get rid of my last amp (not amp/DAC), which I did when I returned it along with my K550s. The K550s are cheaper though you MAY (or may not) need a portable amp/DAC like my CO (or see Cozoy Astrapi below) to make them loud enough, which I did. Same goes with the Sennheiser HD 598s, of which I also found them to be a bit uncomfortable, though others I know did not. Even cheaper but still well-regarded are the Sony MDR-7506s and the Sony MDR-V6 headphones. The V6s have a bit more bass to them, but aside from that, they are identical in SQ to the 7506s. The ear pads they say get worn out somewhat fast, so these velour replacements are suggested and some say even better than the original leather ones (or upgraded leather ones) that come with the headphones. But it's up to the owner which one to get.
Regarding Hi-Res downsampling, which I downsample to CD-Quality ALAC or FLAC (or even high-quality AAC)......... I do this b/c 1) Despite what ANYONE tells you, including Sony, Hi-Res files only sound better b/c they use a different master (and b/c it's above the level of a crappy mp3 lol), NOT b/c of the higher resolution 2) the lower the resolution, the less battery power is required to play it and 3) the lower the resolution, the less SPACE it takes up. These Hi-Res albums (esp the DSD Hi-Res ones) take up A TON of space, so downsampling is key for me. To do these conversions, I use dBpoweramp (NO relation to PowerAmp lol), which is a free converter that does the job right. I just convert the Hi-Res albums I buy to Uncompressed 16-bit/44.1 kHz WAV files, then to ALAC, FLAC (Level 8), or 320-400 kbps CBR AACs (plug-in required for AAC conversions). The AACs I store on my Z3 phone, but the lossless ALAC or FLAC files I use for backup/storage on OneDrive. (Note: Even after dBpoweramp's 3-week free trial ends, the converter option will STILL be fully functional.)
If the CO is too pricey, I would highly suggest the $130 Cozoy Astrapi portable amp/DAC (or you can find it on eBay cheaper like I did) from China, which is pretty well-rated and sounds great from my own experience. I got this for a friend as a b'day gift and lemme tell you, it really packs quite a punch for such a tiny device. It's the size of a small thumb drive, made of aluminum, uses only about 5% of your phone's battery an hour, gives you extra volume and most important, raises the bar on sound quality. It works with Android, PC, and iPhone (says "Made for iPhone" on the box, but I think that's just a marketing thing). Comes with all the necessary cables too. I took it to a T-Mobile Store near me and tested it out on my 1As, and I let the one worker there hear them out too just on mp3s (not even Hi-Res), and he was really impressed by them too. So much so that he took a pic of the Astrapi's box cuz he wanted to buy it for himself. lol
If you're just listening straight from your phone using cheap ear or headphones and only to crappy mp3s or streaming, then you're simply missing out IMHO. You can do much better!
Wow. You do know a lot about audio
I'm just a common guy who likes to listen music with good quality.
To answer your question, yes, Viper4android needs root, but for me both of those things are "must have".
Htc one m8 has better audio adjustment by itself, that's true, but Viper4android lets you do it even better on every phone. Of course, if I were you, and I wouldn't want to root my phone, then poweramp would be the only music player I would pick, because of its great equalizer.
However, if audio is VERY important for you, then you should definitely try out Viper and of course try out these presets. In your hands it could do magic for sure, and in my opinion Sony stock enhancements don't even get close to what Viper offers.
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Yeah I've done my research. lol
Cool. Thanks for your vote of confidence there! lol Well see that's the thing.......... those enhancements that Sony and Viper4Android have are, from my own experience, really great IF you're not putting an amp/DAC into the mix. But I am, and it elevates the sound quality far beyond what a phone's audio hardware can do REGARDLESS of what software you're using. Case in point......... before I got my CO, I actually had the Sony Walkman A17. It's a fantastic player (though what I have now is considered a notch better), but just like with my CO........when I tried to do the same thing you're talking about on it (being a Sony device, it had ALL those options too), it had a totally different effect on the music. Where DSEE HX and esp Surround Sound (Studio) made my music better (Hi-Res or not), when I tried them out on the Walkman, it simply made them worse. I think that since the technology is so much better than what any smartphone is capable of, those options simply don't bring anything to the table anymore. I mean, I did use the "Soul" preset from the Z3 Walkman/Music app on the Walkman, though on the Walkman there are no EQ presets so I had to do it manually (raise 2.5 kHz EQ band up 2 notches, leave Clear Bass on 0). But that was it. All other options were left off.
If I didn't have my CO, I might consider rooting as I did a year ago with the M8, but I honestly don't believe it will matter. Especially since rooting is kind of a hassle cuz you basically have to do everything yourself, like updates, etc. On the M8 though I specifically unlocked & rooted my phone so I could get the Harman/Kardon MOD so my phone would have the same features as the Sprint Harman/Kardon M8. Both phones had the same hardware, so it was just a software thing, and someone figured out how to port the mod over to other M8 phones (I have T-Mobile). It WAS worth the effort b/c BoomSound was cool but the H/K Mod took my sound to another level! Not like what I have now, but back then it was a big deal for me.
I was a simple guy too. I'd never unlocked or rooted a phone before. It was tough at first cuz I couldn't get it to work (well the S-OFF part was hard at least, but necessary to get H/K), but eventually I did. Then I started to realize how big the Hi-Res thing was getting (last year was a BIG year for it, with Sony's help of course lol). So I visited forums like here and esp Head-Fi.org, and I learned a lot over several months. Started to be able to separate the BS (that resolution above mp3 matters) and what was real (that Hi-Res & DSD albums have better and less compressed masters than mp3s and even CDs do, and that's the real reason why they sound better). I'm still learning, but now I know what I'm doing where 10-11 months ago I was just learning. If you wanna try out Hi-Res, I recommend these 3 sites which are my go-to places (price compare so you pay less!): 1) Pono Music (they often have individual tracks too unlike the others) 2) HDTracks and 3) Acoustic Sounds (they also carry DSD albums which are even better sounding than Hi-Res, but only a fraction of albums get a DSD release). I got Michael Jackson's "Thriller" and Bob Dylan's "Nashville Skyline" in DSD for example. 2 classics, and the SQ is INCREDIBLE! The instruments and vocals are spread out nice and wide, the clarity is sweet, there's no muddy bass messing everything up, the tape hiss is filtered out and with that the sound is more full and richer, etc. Listen to Billie Jean (the chorus, WOW.....wow! lol) or Lay Lady Lay and you'll understand what I mean, ESP vs the mp3 versions. (My review for Skyline should post by Wed on that album's page.) I'd also recommend the new Led Zeppelin Hi-Res remasters, as well as Fleetwood Mac's 70s albums, Tom Petty's solo and Heartbreakers albums, and a ton more. Maybe try downloading one or two albums or tracks from an artist you like and see what you think vs the mp3 version you have. Sometimes they have sales and stuff too. Like Acoustic Sounds has a 10% off Labor Day sale (see home page) going on.
Well even if ya don't want to do the Hi-Res thing, I'd still at least recommend you get one of the headphones I mentioned and also of course the Cozoy Astrapi, then never look back. lol Doesn't get simpler than that really.
Hi Everyone,
I've been given a V60 with dual screen and it's been factory reset. the previous owner told me it had great sound, but needed a complicated set up to get the most out of it, knowing I'm an audio quality lover, very tech ignorant and without anything portable. I listen mainly to classical, cd on a home system and DAB radio when not with my cds. I have a dated iphone 6s as my main phone, as feared the complications of Android and wanted hassle free. I'm not going to give that up, as I am dependent on it for family and work (too important for me to be stuck on Android.) However, I need a portable player for pleasure and to learn/lose fear of Android!
Does anyone have any advice or pointers of how to set up and use the V60 and learn to get to grips with the music audio features. I'll cross the "how to get 2500 classical cds music into digital" bridge when I get to it. I'm considering avoiding the headache by getting an online subscription and keeping my life. Many thanks in advance, and forgive my annoying ignorance.
seneca196 said:
Hi Everyone,
I've been given a V60 with dual screen and it's been factory reset. the previous owner told me it had great sound, but needed a complicated set up to get the most out of it, knowing I'm an audio quality lover, very tech ignorant and without anything portable. I listen mainly to classical, cd on a home system and DAB radio when not with my cds. I have a dated iphone 6s as my main phone, as feared the complications of Android and wanted hassle free. I'm not going to give that up, as I am dependent on it for family and work (too important for me to be stuck on Android.) However, I need a portable player for pleasure and to learn/lose fear of Android!
Does anyone have any advice or pointers of how to set up and use the V60 and learn to get to grips with the music audio features. I'll cross the "how to get 2500 classical cds music into digital" bridge when I get to it. I'm considering avoiding the headache by getting an online subscription and keeping my life. Many thanks in advance, and forgive my annoying ignorance.
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Yes, the V60 has excellent audio capabilities. You won't find much info on this forum, but I can help get you started. First, the phone has a very respectable built-in DAC. If you have (wired) low impedance headphones or earphones, you can listen to audio straight through the jack. However, you like many audiophiles likely have high impedance phones. To properly support those, you'll need an outboard headphone amp.
Another advantage of Android is it will play nice with outboard USB DACs. I have an iFi DAC / headphone amp that will play high res PCM & DSD audio with only a USB C to USB A adapter. No extra drivers are necessary. If you want to play DSD audio, you will need appropriate software such as Neutron player. It's very configurable which makes it a bit difficult to set up. However, once it is, it works to play any resolution files your DAC supports. And the trial version works to test it all out before shelling out any money to pay for the app.
Oh, one other very handy aspect of at least previous-generation Android devices is the inclusion of an SD card slot. Want to rip your CD collection to FLAC files to listen to on your phone? Buy an appropriately-sized microSD card, and copy away. The version of my V60 has 128GB onboard. With a 512GB card installed, I've quadrupled my internal storage. Apple would never offer something that prohibits them from charging more money for more storage. Other manufacturers have unfortunately followed suit. (Don't let me get started on the 3.5mm jack.)
Beyond this, you can look to audio forums such as Head-fi.org to further your understanding on how to coax the best sound from your device. It's not rocket science, but there are some more tips and tricks to be had. A small caveat is that, despite the convenience of the double screens, you lose access to a real-world USB connector. I'm unaware if anyone has found a magnetic cable that handles more than charging. I cannot tell you the last time I used my second screen. It's too bad, really!
cheers,
-c