First off i'm not really sure where to post this because there is no durability section in real life reviews and i think this is more of a discussion than a question.
So what do you think of the durability? After watching this video i realized that this phone can benefit a lot from a case, since: the flash and color spectrum cover is plastic, the camera sticks out and the aluminum seems to be painted (at least in the pink version).
The aim of the thread would be to share experiences, findings (like exactly what kind of aluminium is used and is it painted or naturally colored) and maybe even guides that are durability related (like removing scratches).
As i inspected my phone i noticed a lot of hairline scratches on the back, after only one week of use, luckily they are only visible from certain angles in good lighting. They don't rub off (like htc or iphone back scratches). My first reaction was to maybe try toothpaste, but i think i'll hold off as of now. If i end up trying anything i'll add it to this thread.
Dropped my xz1c accidently today down the spiral stairs from 3m descending slowly 20cm/steps 5 times then after 2m mark hit mirror glass wall in front and straigh fall straight to granite floor, microsd tray came out by 5mm, above the sdcard / sim card tray near screen plastic chip off, under the left corner there is a serious bending slightly upward, can see some opening under the bright light, likely not water tight anymore, but pressure sensor test says it is still water tight, not willing to risk it though.
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Dropped my xz1c accidently today down the spiral stairs from 3m descending slowly 20cm/steps 5 times then after 2m mark hit mirror glass wall in front and straigh fall straight to granite floor, microsd tray came out by 5mm, above the sdcard / sim card tray near screen plastic chip off, under the left corner there is a serious bending slightly upward, can see some opening under the bright light, likely not water tight anymore, but pressure sensor test says it is still water tight, not willing to risk it though.
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Where can i access the pressure sensor test? I couldn't find it in the support app among the other tests.
Must use default sony dialer as default app then *#*#service#*#* or *#*#7378423#*#* somewhere inside, is not using default sony dialer now, ask again if can't find.
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Hi,
I recently purchased a HD2 on eBay. It was supposed to come immaculate but unfortunately there are dents on almost all corners. Rest if perfect.
I saw on eBay some chinese sellers selling new housing + battery covers for ~25 USD. So why not replacing the housing then? I decided to give it a try.
Well I have to say that it really did not work like in the videos I saw on youtube. I removed the 4 screws under the battery cover, gently pressed the back of the LCM outward but it really refused to pop out (no even half an inch). I discarded the pry tool (a very thine credit card actually) and even tried using a suction cup on the digitizer to pull it backwards but same problem. It's like the LCM/chassis was glued on the bezel. Phone has never been disassembled before (white sticker and void screw were still both there).
This is strange because in all the videos I saw the LCM/middle chassis was clearly not glued on the bezel. It immediately popped out a bit then you could start prying (and praying!). Ok I know that in those videos usually the phone has already been disassembled before so other attempts require less force to do it again for the recording.
My questions now to all the people who managed to do this. Did this require so much force? Is there a change and is HTC now glueing this part the LCM/middle chassis to the bezel? Any suggestion? Where is for you the best place to insert the pry tool when you start?
Thanks and regards,
Try flexing the plastic bezel above the earphone outwards a little while applying slight pressure to the sticker area on the back. There're two notches above which locks the frame to the pcb.
Hi,
Thanks for your help.
I will try that later.
I guess I might need to find a better pry tool.
BR.
Ok I managed to do it.
This required clearly some force on the pry tool (actually I used two plastic cards : a very thin and flexible one than a credit card). I started the operation above the earphone area.
Applying pressure on the sticker area was stresfull because the LCD immediately reacted to the pressure (hence a risk to break it or damage it). Best was to put two fingers on the sticker area to help the LCM module to pop out but with (almost) no pressure.
I had a doubt and now that I managed to remove the housing it's gone. The antennas (those white stuff you see in both top corners and at the bottom) are glued to the housing.
I prefer to spend a few more bucks to take a housing which has those antennas already in.
BR.
i had a similar frustrating experience to yours in trying to snap the back off the chassis on my hd2 which had a fingerprint on the *inside* of the camera cover glass which i needed to open it to get at.
it sure looks easy in that HTC disassembly video on youtube but the tech there is using a sort of plastic hooked tool for the job, which i didn't have, so i used my thumbnail instead in the same place (the upper left corner, looking at the phone from the front) and it took me a good 20 minutes of applying what seemed like unreasonable pressure to my touchscreen and nearly tearing my nail off to get it to pop out.
those snap-tabs the electronics manufacturers use to hold cases together -- even when they also have screws to do the job -- are one of my all-time pet hates. i usually end up breaking them off.
I will be doing the same thing soon. So the housing you removed has antennas glued to it ?. Thanks for that, I will try get new housing with antenna together if possible.
I replaced my screen a while back and can confirm the main body of the hd2 is glued to the sides of the chassis.
It does come out but with a lot of force but pry the glue lose around the whole chassis first by sliding a thin card right ot the bottom of the case and slowlyu move and pry it upwards with 2 cards one on the top and other on the right after you losend the glue. the top has the wifi adapter n that so be careful bottom has usb so mite break.
honestly i would say don't bother replacing it and just get a gel case or something to hide the damage. there's a high chance of messing the digitizer up and would just cause you more trouble of taking the whole phone apart bit by bit and trust me the components are tiny so easily breakable especially the ribbon cables they decided to use. my honest opinion don't
fallenmonk said:
I will be doing the same thing soon. So the housing you removed has antennas glued to it ?. Thanks for that, I will try get new housing with antenna together if possible.
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yep they are white thin bits glued to the top portion of the case. wifi on left and phone on right if i remember. its been quite a while though since i took my old hd2 apart
Now that I know how to do this I will be easier next time.
Yes antennas are glued in the housing so best is to buy a housing which has antennas already in.
Important note : the antenna which is at the bottom of the housing exists in two different versions : EU or US so check with the seller which one he sells.
BR.
Top left : Amphenol-BT&Wifi-090820
Top right : Amphenol-GPS-090820
Bottom : Amphenol-EU-090828
If T-Mobiles US you need Amphenol-US
sirec said:
I replaced my screen a while back and can confirm the main body of the hd2 is glued to the sides of the chassis.
It does come out but with a lot of force but pry the glue lose around the whole chassis first by sliding a thin card right ot the bottom of the case and slowlyu move and pry it upwards with 2 cards one on the top and other on the right after you losend the glue. the top has the wifi adapter n that so be careful bottom has usb so mite break.
honestly i would say don't bother replacing it and just get a gel case or something to hide the damage. there's a high chance of messing the digitizer up and would just cause you more trouble of taking the whole phone apart bit by bit and trust me the components are tiny so easily breakable especially the ribbon cables they decided to use. my honest opinion don't
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i don't believe it's glued. as far as i can see the the case is held together with screws and plastic interlocking tabs. the trick is to get the latter to unclip.
No glue indeed just notches locking the LCM module to the bezel
Ok case closed
I got my new housing and the replacement went fine. For those who could be interrested I bought it on ebay from the seller forceviewer_uk in China. Everything went perfect so I can recommend this guy.
...with the build quality.
Put my nice, shiney, new tablet S into my work laptop bag this morning, with nothing else in the laptop compartment and when removing it noticed what I thought was a smudge across the top of the black plastic (the curved edge just above the screen). Low and behold where the tablet had slight movement against the 'fabric' of the laptop compartment (this is a padded, soft material specifically for holding laptops), the plastic has worn away! The material of the laptop compartment has actually rubbed the plastic away, removing some of the nodules and worn the plastic down in a strip across the length of the top!
For £399 I'm not impressed with SONY's choice of materials, as this is clearly poor quality were the structure can literally be worn away by fabric!
I'm going to try take this back I think, as this is unacceptable in my eyes and such poor materials for this price in not on.
Please fellow owners, take this as a warning and purchase some protection, as clearly SONY haven't bothered with the quality control aspect of this tablet.
I just chuck mine into my backpack and haven't had a problem yet. Maybe u can exchange it?
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Weird. Post a picture.
I've been popping mine in and out of a very oversized laptop bag and to be honest not taking the best of care of it but mines fine.
Same here...pretty much just throwing it around and nothing yet...
This seems very strange, I have mine in a GIMP case (made of 'fabric') and it is fine. I would take it back and see if it was a dodgy one, or make sure the fabric is not infact sand-paper
I suspect grit in the bag. I throw mine in a fabric satchel, along with a slew of other stuff, to take it back and forth from work. No damage has shown up yet.
I have noticed that the rear glass area around the micro USB and sim is ever so slightly raised meeting the side plastic molding instead of being below it like the rest of the glass. I can get it to close for longer rather than pressing it if I place a soft sprung clothes pin clamping the area. I know everything isn't going to be perfect but should I be worried or do you other z3v users notice anything uneven with the adhesive on the back glass?
I have none whatsoever. It could be a precursor to battery expansion. I say that not knowing the position of the battery, rather having a battery expand on me in the past.
The phone is just over a month old plus the battery ends before the sim and micro usb. Even though my phone is my access to the web by using foxfi, the battery drain isnt heavy and it can be left on for 10 hrs+ before 30% active use, for example, from 8:45 am to 7:45pm it just started to creep into the upper 20's. Its "cool" to the touch considering my room can get warm up to 84F because of the open air desktop and tv as a monitor. When Qi charging it is also cooled by a 120mm delta elect. computer case fan.
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I have noticed that the rear glass area around the micro USB and sim is ever so slightly raised meeting the side plastic molding instead of being below it like the rest of the glass. I can get it to close for longer rather than pressing it if I place a soft sprung clothes pin clamping the area. I know everything isn't going to be perfect but should I be worried or do you other z3v users notice anything uneven with the adhesive on the back glass?
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have you tried heating it up with a hair dryer or heat gun to activate the adhesive then clamping it?
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have you tried heating it up with a hair dryer or heat gun to activate the adhesive then clamping it?
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No I haven't. I don't have a proper clamp so just try some stiff sprung clothes pins with Popsicle sticks to make even pressure.
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No I haven't. I don't have a proper clamp so just try some stiff sprung clothes pins with Popsicle sticks to make even pressure.
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I would still try applying heat, then just hold it in place for a few minutes until it cools and see if that works.
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I would still try applying heat, then just hold it in place for a few minutes until it cools and see if that works.
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I just tried your method after my last post and it looks and feels to be holding up well. I had thought about trying it before but I had never gotten around to it because I also wanted to ask around to see if it was normal.
Thanks
Late Update: It didn't hold up. It went back to its original state the next day or so in reference with the original thread date date.
I will try again and clamp it for longer than the 15-20 min I tried at first.
I just found out that the raised portion is now an air gap so it fails the pressure test if that edge isnt pressed down after an hr or 2.
Hello everyone.
I was looking for a non-damaging way for checking if the phone is still watertight with front glass cracked.
I supposed that increasing/decreasing the air pressure inside the phone and waiting how long it will stay deformed would be quite a good idea. (I understand that air-tight != water-tight)
To my surprise, blowing a compressed air into the microphone port causes to increase the pressure inside and deforms back panel, and then stays like this for a few seconds or more. (However I can't simply pump it with my mouth). Related video:
Then I tried to pump it and submerge in water to see where are potential leaking places. Here is the result (starts at 0:10):
It appears that most of the air goes through the microphone port, but there are also bubbles around panel, however the cracked screen seems tight.
My questions are:
1) Is it normal that you can pump the phone through microphone port like this and that the air comes out that quickly?
2) Should I improve the sealing of the back panel?
I'm not going to swim, just feel safer in case of rainy day or accidental splash.
Thanks in advance.
great vid. I'm a little bit surprised when I see the bubbles coming out when you did the waterproof test. I don't think that's supposed to happen.. but I believe it'll survive a rain and other watery splash. anyway does the phone functions normally after that? and how do you improve the sealing if I may know? thank you.
The phone seems fine. So far no problems occurred at all and I haven't seen any signs of moisture.
I assume that the sealing is made of heat-based glue, so I'll try heating edges (as you do before disassembly) and squeeze for some time. If that won't work, it would be necessary to take off the panel and replace the whole seal.
Okay, story time. Some time ago, the battery in my Z5c swelled up and pushed the battery cover off the back of the phone. I replace the battery myself, & also order new (supposedly OEM) adhesive for the back glass. It does NOT stick on well, popping off one side or the other every few minutes. After fighting it for a while (ordering additional replacement adhesive and trying to re-clean and re-apply it a couple more times), it seems to finally stay in place.
Fast-forward a few months. I see the back glass coming off again. Oh, great, here we go again. I peel it off, and find that the replacement battery is a *little* inflated. Not by much, and not nearly as much as the original battery, but even though it seems to barely be a problem, it's also clear that the battery cover is not skin-tight as it was when it went in. Perhaps it was "enough" that given the tolerances inside, it still managed to push the back glass off. Okay, fine: I bought 2 replacement batteries at the time, so I'll put the other one in.
Fast-forward another few months to a couple of weeks ago. SAME BLASTED THING. Battery barely inflated, back cover coming off, but not really 100% clear whether the battery *really* is the culprit, or whether this adhesive I keep buying is just crap, or if I'm not applying it correctly.
Well, this time I'm running into the same problem trying to re-apply it that I did the first time around: it simply Will. Not. Stay. Put. I've tried the usual tricks I have read about: namely, making sure everything is squeaky-clean, and warming up the adhesive before pressing the back glass onto the phone, and then giving it a little time to cure with something heavy on top of the phone (if I had some clamps, I might try to use those instead). It helps for a couple of hours, but then the back cover just comes RIGHT off again.
Here is my hypothesis: either my phone's chassis is was not quite up to manufacturing standards, or I keep re-assembling it wrong, or something along those lines, because the battery sticks up slightly above the surrounding black frame. And what I can see when the back first starts coming off is that it is slightly "bowing" a bit...the top and bottom are sunk slightly below the plastic frame, but the middle bows out to the point where it rises slightly ABOVE the plastic frame. It's as if either the battery is sitting too high inside the phone, or the frame around the battery is sitting too low.
I have tried taking it all apart again and putting it all back together, but no dice.
Has anybody ever experienced anything like this? It's super frustrating. It seems clearly like a design defect. I just wish I could understand how things are different right now vs. when it was originally assembled at the factory.
Right now I'm sitting here seriously thinking that maybe the answer to this is to layer TWO back adhesive stickers on top of each other, in order to raise the edges of the glass back up enough above the battery that the back won't bow out anymore...
Argh!
...oh, also: and are genuine Sony batteries REALLY this crap in terms of quality?? If so, they should be ashamed and should have recalled many of these phones. I have yet to run into a genuine Sony Z5c battery that doesn't have at least a small build-up of gases within the battery pack after a few short months of use. I have been shying away from third-party batteries by no-name companies, but at this point I'm thinking that those could only be worse if they managed to spontaneously burst into flames.
In case anybody else who is struggling with the same thing ever ends up stumbling across this in the future, I seem to have finally managed to successfully tackle this problem. I finally got more pre-cut adhesive in, and yes: at least in my case, stacking two of them on top of each other has done the trick. (It's not easy lining them up in order to apply them to each other, either...I can tell you that much.)
I don't know if maybe all the adhesive that is out on the market is not "genuine" Sony and so not built to the same spec (maybe the genuine article is much thicker?), or if my particular phone's manufacturing tolerances are just outside the norm (either the battery is sticking up farther than it should, or the edges of the frame are sunk in further than they should be), or what. But using 2 stacked on top of each other instead of 1 seems to be the perfect thickness, allowing for the back glass to remain flush with the plastic frame's edges while also remaining perfectly flat.
I can tell you that at least on my phone, this is still not enough to ensure a tight water seal (pressure sensor doesn't change with increasing outside pressure). But it's hard to know if that's due to the way the back is applied, or some other issue elsewhere that's entirely unrelated.
ARGH. Nope. It lasted a lot longer than previous attempts, but now the upper-left corner, where the camera lens is, is already starting to lift off again.
This is *such* a stupid design.
Try using B7000 industrial glue from Aliexpress or other vendors, it can still be unglued by heat if repairs are needed, but should stay glued better and longer then these precut adhesives which are low in quality...
Thanks for your thread. I can feel your frustration! I'm having problems with the flash LED making weird green shadows in photos (like here https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/camera-flash-bleed.3368004/) I was thinking about opening the back cover to try and fix this and maybe install a new battery and a new camera lens while I'm at it. But now I'm afraid to open it up. I am pretty sure that a this point all "original" replacement parts that are available are fake. Should I ever find the courage: Is the back cover and camera lens made from one piece or must they be replaced separately?
Try to get the OEM adhesive strips and battery.
3m makes all sorts of industrial double sided strips. Get the right thickness if you go that route.