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I almost posted this to the discussion thread, but I truly think this deserves an exclusive topic!
Yes, guys, Samsung did it again. Just like Note 5, we now have a crappie RAM management that simply reloads every app and websites again after alternating recent apps/games. Just take a look at this first speed test side by side comparison to the iPhone 6S, made by this YouTube channel. Extremely disappointing! This is absolutely unacceptable for a so expensive device like this! Even worse, but being able to correct manage 4 GB of RAM is ridiculous!
I already ordered a Spigen Wallet S cover and I'm just waiting for Brazilian pre-order to start, but now I need to confess that I'm a bit desperate due to this performance, mainly because this simply doesn't occur when using my Galaxy Note 3!
Anyway, here it goes:
Edit: Another video added! Now against OP3.
viniciusrsouza said:
I almost posted this to the discussion thread, but I truly think this deserves an exclusive topic!
Yes, guys, Samsung did it again. Just like Note 5, we now have a crappie RAM management that simply reloads every app and websites again after alternating recent apps/games. Just take a look at this first speed test side by side comparison to the iPhone 6S, made by this YouTube channel. Extremely disappointing! This is absolutely unacceptable for a so expensive device like this! Even worse, but being able to correct manage 4 GB of RAM is ridiculous!
I already ordered a Spigen Wallet S cover and I'm just waiting for Brazilian pre-order to start, but now I need to confess that I'm a bit desperate due to this performance, mainly because this simply doesn't occur when using my Galaxy Note 3!
Anyway, here it goes:
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Yeah, as soon as I saw this video, I considered canceling my order. I'm holding out hope that the Snapdragon model doesn't have this issue, but if it does, I'll simply return it. I don't care how much of a fanboy you are, there is simply NO EXCUSE for this on a $900 flagship device with 4gb of RAM.
I understand some frustration, but so people really treat their phones this way in real life? How much app switching do you do? 1 second versus 0.8 seconds really isn't a big deal for most people. Canceling an order over this seems a bit... Hasty.
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That is pretty crappy. I hope they fix it.
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I understand some frustration, but so people really treat their phones this way in real life? How much app switching do you do? 1 second versus 0.8 seconds really isn't a big deal for most people. Canceling an order over this seems a bit... Hasty.
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Shows Samsung have not engineered the device properly. Even OnePlus got this right.
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PsiPhiDan said:
I understand some frustration, but so people really treat their phones this way in real life? How much app switching do you do? 1 second versus 0.8 seconds really isn't a big deal for most people. Canceling an order over this seems a bit... Hasty.
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I truly don't bother about milliseconds delay when opening apps or even seconds more to open games (nowadays it's even pretty rare to me playing games, to be honest), as we saw in the video. The real deal is this frustrating, disappointing and, mainly, irritating "reload everything issue" that was so much discussed when Note 5 was released and recently was so criticized also about the latest 1+ device.
We expect low end devices to throw a cold water bucket on our heads while reloading everything we pick under recent apps, but this is unacceptable for the most expensive phone in the world! This is so basic.
And this is not something about not being real life. This is something about the same issue that Note 5 (don't know if S7 also) faced. You don't need to open multiple games. Just alternate between some light apps and this will be sufficient to TouchWiz kill them at background.
Also, this is ridiculous for a phone that claims itself to be a multitasking monster and it's even able to open multiple apps at once at the same time, splitting screen and/or through those bubbles S Pen feature.
For example, I'm writing all of this using my Note 3 and already alterned between weather app, Google app, Inbox and even Google Translator to help me writing this. Just imagine now if I was using Note 7 and this f* Samsung TouchWiz killing background apps thing just reloaded all my 4 Chrome tabs when I returned to it! I would have lost EVERYTHING I typed!
This is not something we can deal of we can handle/accept. No way!
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Shows Samsung have not engineered the device properly. Even OnePlus got this right.
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Yeah, but it got an update to correct this issue. Originally it wasn't right. I remember watching some videos on YouTube about it. So I really have hope Samsung will fix this pretty soon also!
There should be an update for sure Even S7E have a better RAM management. I understand killing games but Youtube and browser or other light apps? Cmon Samsung that's plain stupid.
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I truly don't bother about milliseconds delay when opening apps or even seconds more to open games (nowadays it's even pretty rare to me playing games, to be honest), as we saw in the video. The real deal is this frustrating, disappointing and, mainly, irritating "reload everything issue" that was so much discussed when Note 5 was released and recently was so criticized also about the latest 1+ device.
We expect low end devices to throw a cold water bucket on our heads while reloading everything we pick under recent apps, but this is unacceptable for the most expensive phone in the world! This is so basic.
And this is not something about not being real life. This is something about the same issue that Note 5 (don't know if S7 also) faced. You don't need to open multiple games. Just alternate between some light apps and this will be sufficient to TouchWiz kill them at background.
Also, this is ridiculous for a phone that claims itself to be a multitasking monster and it's even able to open multiple apps at once at the same time, splitting screen and/or through those bubbles S Pen feature.
For example, I'm writing all of this using my Note 3 and already alterned between weather app, Google app, Inbox and even Google Translator to help me writing this. Just imagine now if I was using Note 7 and this f* Samsung TouchWiz killing background apps thing just reloaded all my 4 Chrome tabs when I returned to it! I would have lost EVERYTHING I typed!
This is not something we can deal of we can handle/accept. No way!
Yeah, but it got an update to correct this issue. Originally it wasn't right. I remember watching some videos on YouTube about it. So I really have hope Samsung will fix this pretty soon also!
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My point is that Oneplus is a tiny company compared to Samsung. Samsung should get it right when their product is double the price of the Oneplus 3.
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I understand some frustration, but so people really treat their phones this way in real life? How much app switching do you do? 1 second versus 0.8 seconds really isn't a big deal for most people. Canceling an order over this seems a bit... Hasty.
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So, you're telling me you're okay with paying $900 for a device that has 4gb of RAM yet can't even keep two apps running in the background with said RAM? Because that's sad. I feel like people who downplay this have no idea how a smartphone is supposed to work. If you need an example, see the Galaxy S7 an S7 Edge, both made by Samsung, both of which handle RAM management very well. There is literally no excuse for Samsung to set the app cache settings so low on this phone.
People try to defend them by saying "battery life", but that just speaks to a severe ignorance in how RAM is utilized. Sure, if you have a badly coded app running in the background, it will take some extra battery, but for the most part, it takes MORE battery to reload the apps over and over because that's taxing the processor. It's also inexcusable on a device that is supposed to be a multitasking powerhouse for power users.
Hasty? Practical. I fell for Samsung's crap last year with the Note 5 and didn't return it in time. It took them months and an entire new version of Android to rectify the bad RAM management in that device and mine sat in a drawer because I couldn't stand to use it in its crippled state. I'm not going through that again. Not when there are devices for half the price that actually perform like they should.
I have the note 5 and my background apps rarely reload when I switch back and forth.
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I have the note 5 and my background apps rarely reload when I switch back and forth.
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I can't believe this video has been posted in three different threads in this and the T-Mobile Note7 forum. Comparing any Android phone to an iPhone is like comparing a diesel car to a gasoline powered one. The two OS's are totally different in their approach to performance. The iPhone 6 with 1GB of RAM out benchmarked Android and the 6s only has 2MB of RAM. There are threads here where people are up in arms the Note7 only has 4GB.
As for memory management there's a balance between keeping multiple apps alive in the background for convenience and keeping too many open which impacts battery life. This is what caused all the recent drama with the OnePlus 3 and its 6GB of RAM keeping fewer apps open than the S7-series. Here's a quote from the OnePlus founder.
After a comparison video earlier this week showed us that the OnePlus 3’s 6GB of RAM might not give it the insane multitasking capabilities we all hoped, OnePlus CEO Carl Pei has responded with a few clarifications surrounding RAM management on the OnePlus 3. On paper, 6GB of RAM would lead most users to believe that they could easily have several apps open at a time without anything reloading, however upon getting devices, many users have found that the phone can only hold 3 or 4 apps in memory before removing them. Why is that the case? Pei [the OnePlus founder] quite simply responded by saying that OnePlus has a “different strategy for RAM management that benefits battery”. While battery is definitely a valid concern with the OnePlus 3 considering the smaller 3,000 mAh capacity, it’s definitely a bit disappointing to see performance given up in exchange. That said however, there is a way to get around this. Carl Pei explained in another tweet that the RAM management can be adjusted in third-party ROMs. So with other ROMs that should be released pretty soon, developers could easily change the RAM management to a far less aggressive setting. A potential fix using the first party ROM is currently floating around on XDA, but Pei reminds us that RAM management is handled by more than just the build.prop, so don’t put too much faith in that “fix”.
http://9to5google.com/2016/06/17/on...-surrounding-ram-management-on-the-oneplus-3/
Samsung took huge flack on the S6 because it only kept 3-4 background apps alive. It improved on the Note5 to 5-7 which is what I've experienced over the past year. I'd expect similar performance in the Note7. With all the unique strengths and features the Note7 has if the number of background apps open is a top priority maybe folks should reconsider their purchase decision.
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Comparing any Android phone to an iPhone is like comparing a diesel car to a gasoline powered one.
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What's wrong with doing that ? If you see that the gasoline powered one is much faster, that might then be a reason to buy that one. Even more so if it's cheaper (like the iphone is nowadays).
As for memory management there's a balance between keeping multiple apps alive in the background for convenience and keeping too many open which impacts battery life. This is what caused all the recent drama with the OnePlus 3 and its 6GB of RAM keeping fewer apps open than the S7-series. Here's a quote from the OnePlus founder.
After a comparison video earlier this week showed us that the OnePlus 3’s 6GB of RAM might not give it the insane multitasking capabilities we all hoped, OnePlus CEO Carl Pei has responded with a few clarifications surrounding RAM management on the OnePlus 3. On paper, 6GB of RAM would lead most users to believe that they could easily have several apps open at a time without anything reloading, however upon getting devices, many users have found that the phone can only hold 3 or 4 apps in memory before removing them. Why is that the case? Pei [the OnePlus founder] quite simply responded by saying that OnePlus has a “different strategy for RAM management that benefits battery”. While battery is definitely a valid concern with the OnePlus 3 considering the smaller 3,000 mAh capacity, it’s definitely a bit disappointing to see performance given up in exchange. That said however, there is a way to get around this. Carl Pei explained in another tweet that the RAM management can be adjusted in third-party ROMs. So with other ROMs that should be released pretty soon, developers could easily change the RAM management to a far less aggressive setting. A potential fix using the first party ROM is currently floating around on XDA, but Pei reminds us that RAM management is handled by more than just the build.prop, so don’t put too much faith in that “fix”.
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Ram usage itself has absolutely nothing to do with battery usage. Unused ram cells don't consume less battery. What this guy is saying though is that background processes can use CPU cycles: when accumulated CPU cycles cause the CPU to boost its speed, then it will have an impact on battery life. But that's more due to badly written apps, why would a game that the user is not playing want to stress the CPU ? It's like facebook, that's a perfect example of a horrible written app. Regardless off how many apps you are running, that app will drain battery due to doing tons of stuff in the background and keeping your phone awake. So it's not a matter of how many apps you are running simultaneously, it's a matter of which apps you are running.
Entitlement runs amok. Nobody has a gun to your head and is forcing you to buy it. The other 99% of people who would buy this phone won't care.
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Entitlement runs amok. Nobody has a gun to your head and is forcing you to buy it. The other 99% of people who would buy this phone won't care.
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Man it's just frustration. We all want to buy this phone because it looks so sleak, has this nice catchy iris scanner etc. But then again, it means you'll have to deal with Touchwiz and all of its problems and Samsung's horrible update policy again. The alternative is buying the HTC Nexus next month but that device doesn't nearly look as cool, let alone have new features like an iris scanner. If Samsung would make the Nexus, now that would be a device to look forward to
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Man it's just frustration. We all want to buy this phone because it looks so sleak, has this nice catchy iris scanner etc. But then again, it means you'll have to deal with Touchwiz and all of its problems and Samsung's horrible update policy again. The alternative is buying the HTC Nexus next month but that device doesn't nearly look as cool, let alone have new features like an iris scanner. If Samsung would make the Nexus, now that would be a device to look forward to
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You can't have it both ways nor can you expect Samsung to listen to bunch of people on xda to devote time and resources to fix things. The limitations of Touchwiz can be 80% mitigated by spending $2 on Nova Prime if you truly hate it.
People need to seriously prioritize what they expect in the phone. Again, nobody is forcing you to buy the phone and if RAM managment or an unlocked bootloader is really that necessary, get a HTC, OnePlus, or the upcoming Nexus. I expect people who can afford a $850 phone to have other more important priorities in their purchasing decisions.
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It was also compared to the Note 5 which had the same issue until it was eventually fixed. This information was available in the OP had you read instead of skimmed.
And it doesn't matter what OS is running: Android, IOS, Mac, Windows, Linux, etc., no app should completely reload after it has already been started.
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I have the note 5 and my background apps rarely reload when I switch back and forth.
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If you had read the post above yours, you would have noticed that the issue had been subsequently fixed in a later patch on the Note 5.
Come on, people: read, don't skim.
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The limitations of Touchwiz can be 80% mitigated by spending $2 on Nova Prime if you truly hate it.
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That's nonsense. A launcher itself wont change anything regarding the deeper/core android processes like the ram management.
I expect people who can afford a $850 phone to have other more important priorities in their purchasing decisions.
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I dont know. What I do know is that a lot of Iphone users buy the phone, partly, because they love the smoothness of the interface. In fact I recently spoke to a friend of mine who is a really smart university grad in IT, I found out he was on Iphone which surprised me a bit. When I asked him why he said he couldnt stand Android's interface. I said "You mean Touchwiz". He said "what" ? Lol. What I'm saying is, most people dont even know what Touchwiz is, but they do see that a Samsung phone is just not running as smooth as an iphone and I'm 100% confident that that DOES cause people to buy an iphone over a Galaxy.
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I expect people who can afford a $850 phone to have other more important priorities in their purchasing decisions.
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If you're paying for the most expensive device available, you will want to do with it whatever you want (unlocked bootloader, ROM it, etc.). It should operate near-flawlessly. Or quickly be patched to. You should demand the absolute best.
Telling people to just accept whatever they get when spending that much money for a device is just unacceptable. Like the old adage goes:
"You get what you pay for."
There's a reason why there are cheaper vehicles, boats, homes, etc. The cheaper they are, the less you're going to get out of them.
Multi-tasking is non-existent when apps reload after they've already been loaded. This is a deal-breaker. I won't be purchasing this device now until it's been fixed. There's zero excuses for a the most expensive flagship device available to have such a glaring and easily-fixable flaw.
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That's nonsense. A launcher itself wont change anything regarding the deeper android processes like the ram management.
I dont know. What I do know is that a lot of Iphone users buy the phone, partly, because they love the smoothness of the interface. In fact I recently spoke to a friend of mine who is a really smart university grad in IT, I found out he was on Iphone which surprised me a bit. When I asked him why he said he couldnt stand Android's interface. I said "You mean Touchwiz". He said "what" ? Lol. What I'm saying is, most people dont even know what Touchwiz is, but they do see that a Samsung phone is just not running as smooth as an iphone and I'm 100% confident that that DOES cause people to buy an iphone over a Galaxy.
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I was responding directly to the Touchwiz comment and it's limitations. The RAM management issues go beyond Touchwiz and is probably kernel related.
So who cares about why people by an Iphone vs. a Samsung? It's not like Samsung is losing sleep over the perceived crappy RAM management of their phones affecting sales. I still state that people who can afford a flagship Samsung phone vs. other android phones have other priorities than worrying about this stuff when making their purchase. Things like design, a S-pen, smaller form factors for a given screen size, wireless charging, etc. would be better justifications. Again, if you need the other stuff for dev work or "full" control, get another phone. Samsung won't change anything for people here on XDA so it's pointless having angst over this stuff.
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If you're paying for the most expensive device available, you will want to do with it whatever you want (unlocked bootloader, ROM it, etc.). It should operate near-flawlessly. Or quickly be patched to. You should demand the absolute best.
Telling people to just accept whatever they get when spending that much money for a device is just unacceptable. Like the old adage goes:
"You get what you pay for."
There's a reason why there are cheaper vehicles, boats, homes, etc. The cheaper they are, the less you're going to get out of them.
Multi-tasking is non-existent when apps reload after they've already been loaded. This is a deal-breaker. I won't be purchasing this device now until it's been fixed. There's zero excuses for a the most expensive flagship device available to have such a glaring and easily-fixable flaw.
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Maybe for you but for the 99% of the people purchasing this phone who cares? People don't refuse to buy BMWs anymore because they took away the dipstick to check oil (which they have for close to the past 10 years). Don't think for a minute that you're important enough for Samsung to care that you won't buy the phone because of perceived flaws. I find it hilarious when people ***** about not having root or an unlocked bootloader on a phone and when they finally do get that they cry about not being able to use Samsung Pay. Duh...that's the reason why these phones are locked to begin with.
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I was responding directly to the Touchwiz comment and it's limitations. The RAM management issues go beyond Touchwiz and is probably kernel related.
So who cares about why people by an Iphone vs. a Samsung? It's not like Samsung is losing sleep over the perceived crappy RAM management of their phones affecting sales. I still state that people who can afford a flagship Samsung phone vs. other android phones have other priorities than worrying about this stuff when making their purchase. Things like design, a S-pen, smaller form factors for a given screen size, wireless charging, etc. would be better justifications. Again, if you need the other stuff for dev work or "full" control, get another phone. Samsung won't change anything for people here on XDA so it's pointless having angst over this stuff.
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I think Samsung could have pushed Iphone out of the market by now if they had delivered phones that would beat the iphone in every aspect. Samsung's hardware is usually better but their software department is horrible and extremely slow in pushing out updates. The whole reason Iphone still exists is that Samsung is just not delivering what a lot of users want. In fact, if I didnt hate Itunes that much I'd probably kiss Android goodbye and buy an iphone (it works the other way around too, apple could have killed Samsung too, at least in the flagship department, if they listened a bit better to what people want, or did you actually meet someone who likes Itunes ?)
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/1...-pixel-exclusive-non-pixel-exclusive-changes/
Huge slap in the face to loyal Nexus customers. It feels like they are abandoning all things Nexus. For the first time ever I am not buying the new Nexus (Pixel) device on launch day. No innovation and overpriced. $650 for a 1080p screen? Google is turning into Apple.
Seriously Google? I payed 500 dollars for a phone that was promised to have often updates and new features but instead i am left with this? Screw you Google, my next phone will be an iPhone, at least they know how to implement SOFTWARE RELATED features to their older flagships
Google can lock the door on us. But we have devs that can pick locks!!!!!
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Google can lock the door on us. But we have devs that can pick locks!!!!!
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What are the chances this happens? I ordered a pixel, but would be totally fine cancelling it if the 6p (through a rom) was able to run the exact pixel experience. I also want to switch to fi, so would rooting/flashing a rom limit this?
Bye bye Google...
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Pixel Launcher was supposed to be exclusive as well... The same to night light... I'm already using both on my 6p.
I really don't think the assistant won't be available to us.
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This whole Google Assistant is a mess. I thought Google Now was the assistant? Why not just integrate it in current Google Now and call it a day? Instead now we have OS with Google Assistant exclusive to Pixel and Nexus line needs a ****ty Allo Messenger in order to use the assistant? Makes no sense whatsoever
Pretty sure the assistant is a 7.1 feature we will get. Launcher you can sideload or use Nova to get same features. Not really sure what else is exclusive? Navigation keys? Already have them.
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My indignation is simmering. Ubergizmo also stated that Assistant will be a Pixel exclusive, for now. What the heck is the Nexus lineup worth, then?
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This whole Google Assistant is a mess. I thought Google Now was the assistant? Why not just integrate it in current Google Now and call it a day? Instead now we have OS with Google Assistant exclusive to Pixel and Nexus line needs a ****ty Allo Messenger in order to use the assistant? Makes no sense whatsoever
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Google assistant is the evolution of Google now/ now on tap.....
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Seriously Google? I payed 500 dollars for a phone that was promised to have often updates and new features but instead i am left with this? Screw you Google, my next phone will be an iPhone, at least they know how to implement SOFTWARE RELATED features to their older flagships
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I get updates often..... Actually within the hour of release.
I saw 3 exclusives for Pixel Phone in this Section thread.
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I get updates often..... Actually within the hour of release.
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Then why do Nexus phone have both Google Now and Google Assistant ? Shouldnt it be just one service ?
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Then why do Nexus phone have both Google Now and Google Assistant ? Shouldnt it be just one service ?
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Nexus phones don't have Google assistant.....Allo does. And it's limited to the app
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Nexus phones don't have Google assistant.....Allo does. And it's limited to the app
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But why ? it makes no sense. Pixel has Google Assistant in OS, Nexus has same assistant in Allo, and Google Now is for what ? Google Assistant is supposed to replace Google Now thats it
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But why ? it makes no sense. Pixel has Google Assistant in OS, Nexus has same assistant in Allo, and Google Now is for what ? Google Assistant is supposed to replace Google Now thats it
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Assistant is integrated into the whole OS, it's not just an app, it goes much deeper right through the whole OS. Assistant will replace Google Now in the future on all Android devices but it's being held back to give the Pixel a major selling advantage.
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Assistant is integrated into the whole OS, it's not just an app, it goes much deeper right through the whole OS. Assistant will replace Google Now in the future on all Android devices but it's being held back to give the Pixel a major selling advantage.
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I feel that this is the more reasonable reason as to why google assistant is not on the nexus. And I hope this is true. I like to think that people who came to android, especially the nexus lines, love to play with new shiny stuff early! and we're pissed because we're getting shafted by a few months for a few new features.
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Seriously Google? I payed 500 dollars for a phone that was promised to have often updates and new features but instead i am left with this? Screw you Google, my next phone will be an iPhone, at least they know how to implement SOFTWARE RELATED features to their older flagships
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You're getting frequent security updates and major version releases with new features, you just did with 7.0 and in 2017 will be getting 7.1 you're talking like google just switched off your phone permanently, assistant, the camera and a couple of other things are using brand new hardware specific features, they can't bring everything to all the old devices and even if they could why would they? They need to sell devices to make money and stay in business.
Apple are notorious for updating phones and making them redundant and slow, you don't see force touch on the older devices, you won't see bokeh on the older devices and Siri didn't make the cut at one point. Regardless IOS has barely changed in years whereas android has come on in leaps and bounds. Whatsmore if you really want value out of your phone the community here will port features forward, the N5 was dropped and the community picked up the slack, the HTC HD2 can run nougat for Pete's sake... Good luck getting that sort of community with Apple.
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You're getting frequent security updates and major version releases with new features, you just did with 7.0 and in 2017 will be getting 7.1 you're talking like google just switched off your phone permanently, assistant, the camera and a couple of other things are using brand new hardware specific features, they can't bring everything to all the old devices and even if they could why would they? They need to sell devices to make money and stay in business.
Apple are notorious for updating phones and making them redundant and slow, you don't see force touch on the older devices, you won't see bokeh on the older devices and Siri didn't make the cut at one point. Regardless IOS has barely changed in years whereas android has come on in leaps and bounds. Whatsmore if you really want value out of your phone the community here will port features forward, the N5 was dropped and the community picked up the slack, the HTC HD2 can run nougat for Pete's sake... Good luck getting that sort of community with Apple.
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Lol, because there is no force touch displays on older generations of an iPhone. The same thing goes to bokeh, iPhone 7+ has it because of dual camera system. At least apple shares new features with last year's phones, while Google just does not care about us anymore. I don't care how many custom roms my 6P can run, I prefer stock and i bought it for sake of having pure android from google with fast and featured updates. If the only thing i cared about was custom roms I would go for 1+1 or Xiaomi or Motorola that also have plenty of custom roms
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Lol, because there is no force touch displays on older generations of an iPhone. The same thing goes to bokeh, iPhone 7+ has it because of dual camera system. At least apple shares new features with last year's phones, while Google just does not care about us anymore. I don't care how many custom roms my 6P can run, I prefer stock and i bought it for sake of having pure android from google with fast and featured updates. If the only thing i cared about was custom roms I would go for 1+1 or Xiaomi or Motorola that also have plenty of custom roms
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You've missed my point completely, the new features in the pixel are using new hardware, hence my examples with the iPhone. The new pixel has UFS storage and Qualcomm's and their own brand new silicone that make assistant a smooth experience they're willing to put their stamp of approval on, if they brought the features to the older devices they could very well be sluggish and you'd just moan about that instead. And you've just got new features with 7.0 and once more will be getting 7.1 with more features.
Now you've had the Mate 20 Pro for a while, taking into account the camera, battery and overall experience. Would you recommend this phone to friends and would you buy the phone again yourself?
At this point I haven't had any negative experience...I'm more frustrated with the decisions that Google made in Android Pie than anything related to the phone itself.
So yeah, I have recommended it to friends.
No. I really don't enjoy using EMUI.
I think it's an excellent phone but just the fact that I live in the USA where the M20P has no warranty or support makes it difficult to recommend. EMUI also will turn off certain people and the aggressive battery management is kind of a love it or hate it thing. I would buy this phone again but recommending it to a friend is another matter.
Not decided yet... Memory management is far too aggressive. The rest of EMUI I can live with at the moment. It's very hard to ignore the amazing battery, screen and camera. I came from a note 8 and it was a close run thing between the mate and the note. Time will tell!
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I think it's an excellent phone but just the fact that I live in the USA where the M20P has no warranty or support makes it difficult to recommend. EMUI also will turn off certain people and the aggressive battery management is kind of a love it or hate it thing. I would buy this phone again but recommending it to a friend is another matter.
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Where did you buy yours from in the US?
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Not decided yet... Memory management is far too aggressive. The rest of EMUI I can live with at the moment. It's very hard to ignore the amazing battery, screen and camera. I came from a note 8 and it was a close run thing between the mate and the note. Time will tell!
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I'm wondering if memory management is a phone issue or an android pie issue. I have seen others complaining about this with other phone brands.
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Now you've had the Mate 20 Pro for a while, taking into account the camera, battery and overall experience. Would you recommend this phone to friends and would you buy the phone again yourself?
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I'm exactly in this boat. After my 3rd defective device I opted for a refund.
Today I looked at the Google pixel 3xl and the 1+6T the oxygen os is great far nicer than EMUI. But for some reason I kept getting drawn back to the Mate 20 Pro. The camera and battery life are something else.
Man I'm torn.
i love my mate 20 pro it is a great phone. there seems to be a whole lot of negativity about it on here but i have had no problems even with the dreaded lg screen lol. yes i would buy it again.
djBarren said:
I'm exactly in this boat. After my 3rd defective device I opted for a refund.
Today I looked at the Google pixel 3xl and the 1+6T the oxygen os is great far nicer than EMUI. But for some reason I kept getting drawn back to the Mate 20 Pro. The camera and battery life are something else.
Man I'm torn.
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why not give it another try? my concern is how long huawei will support the device for. They have no official time frame for firmware and security updates. At least you have 3 years with a pixel.
Yeah looking forward on mate 30. Like the others that never had any single issue.. This phone is great in any aspect of everyday usage. Might buy another mate but let see how huawei would stand after the nonsense banning of their other services
charliebigpot said:
Where did you buy yours from in the US?
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I bought mine off eBay. If I had to do it again I'd use wonda mobile. They'll actually check if it's a boe panel for you before they ship and they handle warranty. You'd have to ship to China but that's better than ZERO support from even the best eBay sellers. Huawei doesn't do international service so your sol here in the US.
Amazing phone.
I have had great experience! Nice battery life is the best perk no use in having the hardware to do things if the battery won't last! Also have a second one I bought for the wife and she's an iPhone user and didn't like it. If anyone is interested send me a personal message
I know for sure, I would buy it again, it has given me a great service
My only nitpick with this device is the gesture control, so I'm back to 3 button mode. The native Pie gestures work brilliantly, I don't get why Huawei broke it. That's not a deal breaker for me. It's the best phone I've ever used, better than the pixel or note. I'm unashamedly a huge fan of pure Google Android/ asop and use Nokia 7 plus as my second phone, but nothing comes close to my experience with the Mate 20 pro.
j0ff said:
Not decided yet... Memory management is far too aggressive. The rest of EMUI I can live with at the moment. It's very hard to ignore the amazing battery, screen and camera. I came from a note 8 and it was a close run thing between the mate and the note. Time will tell!
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You can change that in the battery settings for running apps. Just let the big apps run in the background like games and they won't close. It's all about choice.
All my apps stay open all the time unless i've bloced them.
I wouldn't buy Huawei again, but I would recommend it.
The note 9 is the same as the mate, except with less battery life, slower charging, worse camera, and same aggressive app management unless you tweak it yourself.
Jonathan-H said:
I wouldn't buy Huawei again, but I would recommend it.
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why would you not buy Huawei again?
No.
Because of green tint, emui, how notifications are handled, and lack of customization options.
I've been on Samsungs since the S2, so this was quite a change for me, so at first I didn't like the general UI side of things (especially the AOD compared to Samsung's is pretty basic), but I have to say its grown on me.
Speed/fluidity etc on the hardware wide of things are excellent
Fingerprint detection can be random at best, but I'm amazed at the speed and reliability of the face recognition, especially when its dark
Also amazed at the battery life
Shame there's no SD slot. Would be much easier to just take all my music etc from my S7 if it had one. No problem as internal storage isn't an issue, but I'd have preferred an SD slot all the same.
Biggest gripe for me is the notch, or should I say the lack of statusbar icon space.... If you set to "hide" the notch, I would rather there be an option to drop the icons down a line so that a full row of statusbar icons can be seen (I'd rather lose 4-5mm of the screen and gain a full statusbar)
Notch aside, yes, I would definitely recommend, but now I've finally made the plunge and broken away from Samsung after all these years, I think I'd probably go for whatever the current OnePlus offering is in 2 years time to see what thats like!
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You can change that in the battery settings for running apps. Just let the big apps run in the background like games and they won't close. It's all about choice.
All my apps stay open all the time unless i've bloced them.
I wouldn't buy Huawei again, but I would recommend it.
The note 9 is the same as the mate, except with less battery life, slower charging, worse camera, and same aggressive app management unless you tweak it yourself.
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I've already changed those settings and they've made little difference. Perhaps I need to wipe it and start again (but to be fair, all I've really done is install nova and some Google apps).
Has anyone gone from a OnePlus device to the S21? I'm curious to hear your thoughts. I currently have a OnePlus 7 Pro, and I've been waiting for the 9 series launch, to see what they had to offer. After seeing the specs and reading/watching a ton of reviews of the 9 series, I'm on the fence between upgrading to a 9 or the Galaxy S21. I prefer to root my phones. I'd like to hear your experience, if you've made this similar switch.
7T user here and looking to buy the S21. Only main thing I'll miss is having a second user account which I can switch to use different login for apps. Shame there isn't any smaller flagships with SD 888
Tldr; if you aren't willing to adjust to OneUI, want a mid-sized phone with great battery, or want to have a different phone than your friends, oneplus 9. Otherwise get the s21 off swappa and you'll love it!
I had a Oneplus 7 Pro (and every non-T oneplus since the Oneplus one). After that I got a oneplus 8 and was pretty happy with everything except the camera. Ended up getting a base S21 for a great deal on swappa ($600 a week after launch). First samsung since the Note 2 and am very impressed with OneUI 3.1. Camera is fantastic, size is much better, flat screen rocks, case selection is endless, really digging wireless charging, speakers rock, battery is a little inconsistent (definitely not the 8-10 hours SOT I'd get on the oneplus 8, but plenty for a day of use). The screen is GORGEOUS (colors, fluidity, etc are way way better than the 7 pro and the 8). I do miss the offscreen gestures a bit, but sideactions is a pretty great substitute. What won me over was GoodLock. It really does make the stock rom feel like a custom rom and it's 100% stable.
Also, s21 ultra fixes the bad battery life of the s21 base. Also has super fast charging.
OnePlus 3T, OnePlus 5T, S21 plus.
I'm happy with the purchase, the SW is good, only few more add-ons. You can beabloat it very quickly.
Battery is good on Plus model with my usage always 4g-5g 7+ SOT one day usage or 5 hour 2 day usage.
Very good audio and display. Little bit of theming thanks to GoodLock app
I'd love to know what I can debloat without affecting anything.
If you want to root then stay with OnePlus, it is easier. I migrated from a OP 6T to a S21+ and I love it. I do miss the option to root. You can unlock/root samsung but only if you get international/exynos variant and then no warranty, or pay a ridiculous bootloader unlocking fee and likely lose warranty as well. No such issues with oneplus.
I guess if you are not a US customer then this is a nonissue for you.
I went with the S21 Ultra. There really isn't much gain for me in root anymore. I did like Adaway and Viper, but the Samsung phone has very good audio controls. And I'm using dns.adguard.com as a private DNS server in the connection settings. It's been working fine so far for minimizing those annoying ads.
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I went with the S21 Ultra. There really isn't much gain for me in root anymore. I did like Adaway and Viper, but the Samsung phone has very good audio controls. And I'm using dns.adguard.com as a private DNS server in the connection settings. It's been working fine so far for minimizing those annoying ads.
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Yeah I have found that root is not really needed anymore, a lot of the old benefits of root are now implemented in official releases. The biggest one for me was spoofing location, but I still have my OP 3T and OP 6T so I can always use those if I want to do any spoofing.
I had OP 8 plus and after a year got tired of recurring problems, namely bluetooth issues with connecting or more accurately losing connection with my Galaxy Watch 3. Went back to samsung and got the 21Ultra on Tmobile. LOVE. IT!!! system wide font changing. Fast fast fast. Battery tremendous. 512GB memory. Screen gorgeous. And CAMERA IS UNBELIEVABLE.
not and one plus user but I did come from a pixel. I disabled a bunch of samsung apps as soon as I got the s21+. So far I dislike the phone a lot. I miss the modding and the ASOP experiance. The Amount of Bloatware on Samsung phones is way to much and in your face. Hardware wise I have no complaints. Just wish a stock rom would come out.
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I'd love to know what I can debloat without affecting anything.
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ADB AppControl 1.6.2 Extended has it all in preset options and allows you to revert back easily should you disable something in error.
Have used it on several ASUS, Samsung, LG .. tablets and phones without issue
Manuals for ADB AppControl
One of the many things that I'm loving about my S21 Ultra over my OnePlus 7 Pro is that I'm getting service in areas that I was never able to get it with the OnePlus.
ermacwins said:
7T user here and looking to buy the S21. Only main thing I'll miss is having a second user account which I can switch to use different login for apps. Shame there isn't any smaller flagships with SD 888
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Hey, I was also disappointed to discover this feature was MIA. After years of exclusively using AOSP based ROMs it seemed like a poor oversight on behalf of Samsung after switching... That is, until I discovered the Secure Folder function.
To be completely honest, while there are a few features missing (like specific quiet hours, an easy way to turn off notifications, etc), I much prefer the Secure Folder sandbox to running a second user. It's effectively the same thing but without the clunk of switching back and forth.
OP5T here. Only thing I miss is Dash charge. Otherwise the jump (OZ Exynos here) was the right timing. This has all the refinement it needs for my use, it seems to just work. Appreciate the great screen, stereo speakers, refined design. OneUI has come a long way.
I was a hater but I'm enjoying the experience. Remove the Samsung apps that mirror google native apps, aka bloatware, and it's all good in my books.
I switched from a OnePlus 6T to the S21 5G - mostly because of opportunity, since I was offered a low price. Otherwise I would probably have waited for a good price to get the OnePlus 9.
Nevertheless, I am positively surprised by the S21. One UI 3 is greatly designed. Battery performance is a little disappointing, but some debloating and customizations (root based) made it acceptable. Theming support is a little mere as of now (syngery, substratum, ...) but that's the same for lots of Android R devices atm.
As a power user heavily relying on root, the process of rooting was a little unpleasing, yet everything is working great.
What I don't like:
- Exynos. Why not have the Snapdragon for all of the world? Exynos has always been behind its Snapdragon pendant. The performance difference has gotten less significant, but still: The Snapdragon version is the stronger one.
- Rooting is more complicated and breaks OEM warranty.
- Lack of good Gcam ports, but this is just a matter of time.
I've been more than pleased with the S21 Ultra without root so far. I've been rocking in for a few weeks. I don't feel the need for V4A, since Samsung has a really good EQ and sound enhancements. And a combination of Blackada and DNS66 has been working to block annoying ads.
Reacon said:
Hey, I was also disappointed to discover this feature was MIA. After years of exclusively using AOSP based ROMs it seemed like a poor oversight on behalf of Samsung after switching... That is, until I discovered the Secure Folder function.
To be completely honest, while there are a few features missing (like specific quiet hours, an easy way to turn off notifications, etc), I much prefer the Secure Folder sandbox to running a second user. It's effectively the same thing but without the clunk of switching back and forth.
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Can I have a 2nd YouTube app and Gmail app running?
It's been over 5 years since I've rooted a Samsung or Android device. I've heard that rooting Samsung will trip Knox, which means banking apps won't work and even things like Magisk Hide might fail to keep the app working after root. I use Chase, Charles Schwab, and numerous Chinese banking and shopping apps.
On the Tab S7, are there any specific added abilities that root can give you that *you* really appreciate? I'm not really interested in changing the UI, but it sometimes is nice to disable some Samsung bloatware.
I don't. Not worth trashing my Note 10+ for.
If successful the biggest downside is the time.
Rooting is a gravity well that just keeps pulling.
How is it a time sink?
Given they've made it impossible to unlock the bootloader on the phones (yes you can pay for it...) and the fact is there are still a few root only apps Ive grown addicted to over the years ...Id have to say YES.OK I understand in today's world phones are used as billfolds and need top level security, ok I get that.BUT it is nice to have one bleeding edge device that is 100% mine. (Not that my s21 Ultra isnt all mine I bought it unlocked and use Google Fi, but you know my meaning.) I love my Rooted S7+
I've not had that experience, I'm only rooted stock ,with just the bloat stuff I didn't use removed.Ive had no problems at all. I just love to be able to assign 25 or 30 simple ,easy to remember gestures that make navigation efficient and clean . I don't even have a single icon on my home screen, nothing but a custom clock widget and a geofence widget so I always know where I am and what time it is lol.
I haven't rooted since I had my Galaxy Nexus almost 10 years ago. The amount of bloatware is minimal and unobtrusive. I prefer being able to use my banking and other apps that rely on Knox.
Unless you're an enthusiast or developing new ROMs, rooting is really not needed anymore.
I have the 512GB Tab S7 and the 512GB Note 10+ with a 512GB microSD card in each. So I'm not hurting for space.
I did not root my Tab S6 nor its replacement, the Tab S7+.
I did, however, use ADB to disable to save battery and disable unused features.
Seeing as the Tab S6 and the Tab S7/7+ ship with high-end specifications, the performance gains outside the box are noticeable.
I think @blackhawk said it best:
"Rooting is a gravity well that just keeps pulling."
I stopped rooting after Galaxy S4 and Tab S.
So I would say no, no need to root this fabolus tablet. Use Blokada or Adguard to get rid of ads in apps an elsewhere.