So I am THINKING about getting the V30 at Verizon come holiday time. If you go on YouTube, you see how many wonderful reviews this phone gets, and to be honest, the phone does look pretty bad ass. HOWEVER, 2 years ago, the V10 had awesome reviews on YouTube and seemed like a solid phone, so I bought it. Well after about a year, and having gone through 3 V10's (or the same one repaired 3 times) due to bootloop problems, I am a little skeptical about how the V30 is going to turn out. Also I am seeing that the new Pixel is having screen burn in issues, and it being made by LG, this makes me even more worried about the V30. I really want to get this phone, but I also want to ask all of you owners how it has been holding up for you so far. Any issues like the V10? Such as the very irritating Bluetooth issues, battery life, etc...
If you are worried about your device bootlooping, then wait for the non-carrier versions to come out and keep waiting to see if they actually end up being rootable. If they are, then it is easy enough to unlock the bootloader, request the developer unlock, and then reflash stock or a ROM to recover from any potential bootloop situation. If you decide to go with the Version carrier version, then LG's lack of quality control for their software could potentially still be an issue in the future. There has already been one update so far and no one has reported it bootlooping their device as of yet.
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So I am THINKING about getting the V30 at Verizon come holiday time. If you go on YouTube, you see how many wonderful reviews this phone gets, and to be honest, the phone does look pretty bad ass. HOWEVER, 2 years ago, the V10 had awesome reviews on YouTube and seemed like a solid phone, so I bought it. Well after about a year, and having gone through 3 V10's (or the same one repaired 3 times) due to bootloop problems, I am a little skeptical about how the V30 is going to turn out. Also I am seeing that the new Pixel is having screen burn in issues, and it being made by LG, this makes me even more worried about the V30. I really want to get this phone, but I also want to ask all of you owners how it has been holding up for you so far. Any issues like the V10? Such as the very irritating Bluetooth issues, battery life, etc...
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So I am THINKING about getting the V30 at Verizon come holiday time. If you go on YouTube, you see how many wonderful reviews this phone gets, and to be honest, the phone does look pretty bad ass. HOWEVER, 2 years ago, the V10 had awesome reviews on YouTube and seemed like a solid phone, so I bought it. Well after about a year, and having gone through 3 V10's (or the same one repaired 3 times) due to bootloop problems, I am a little skeptical about how the V30 is going to turn out. Also I am seeing that the new Pixel is having screen burn in issues, and it being made by LG, this makes me even more worried about the V30. I really want to get this phone, but I also want to ask all of you owners how it has been holding up for you so far. Any issues like the V10? Such as the very irritating Bluetooth issues, battery life, etc...
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I have yet to here bootloop problem of lg g6, lg v20, or lg v30. I know most people are scare of LG but bootloop was a thing of a pass with the lg g4, lg g5, lg v10
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If you are worried about your device bootlooping, then wait for the non-carrier versions to come out and keep waiting to see if they actually end up being rootable. If they are, then it is easy enough to unlock the bootloader, request the developer unlock, and then reflash stock or a ROM to recover from any potential bootloop situation. If you decide to go with the Version carrier version, then LG's lack of quality control for their software could potentially still be an issue in the future. There has already been one update so far and no one has reported it bootlooping their device as of yet.
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From what I understand, it's not the software that is the problem. The cpu comes un-soldered from the motherboard making the phone pretty much useless. Was a widely known issue with a few lg phones.
I returned one because of screen issues.
We all know about the off-angle blue tint, but mine had it bad. I didn't really notice it until watching a Late Show clip in a dark room -- dark set, Colbert's white shirt, skin tone was all so obviously off, and it shifted blue just a degree or two off axis.
Compared it to the demo models in two Verizon retail stores and despite the bright lighting, the difference in whites was apparent.
Store did an exchange no problem even though I purchased online. New one seems fine.
Since receiving my replacement phone from a first batch phone issue, I have had ZERO issues
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From what I understand, it's not the software that is the problem. The cpu comes un-soldered from the motherboard making the phone pretty much useless. Was a widely known issue with a few lg phones.
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Hmmm. I don't see how that would cause a bootloop if that was the case. A hardware problem with the solder would more than likely cause the phone not to power up at all. Bootloops are usually more software related than hardware unless you are talking about core issues, like with the Nexus 6P. Thankfully I never experienced that on both the units I purchased.
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Hmmm. I don't see how that would cause a bootloop if that was the case. A hardware problem with the solder would more than likely cause the phone not to power up at all. Bootloops are usually more software related than hardware unless you are talking about core issues, like with the Nexus 6P. Thankfully I never experienced that on both the units I purchased.
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Without going too into it, I am part of a class action lawsuit regarding these bootloops. According to all the evidence, the cpu comes un-soldered just enough where the lg logo will appear and the phone freezes. The only way to shut it off after that is to either pull the battery or let the phone die if the battery is not removable.
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Without going too into it, I am part of a class action lawsuit regarding these bootloops. According to all the evidence, the cpu comes un-soldered just enough where the lg logo will appear and the phone freezes. The only way to shut it off after that is to either pull the battery or let the phone die if the battery is not removable.
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Interesting! You should be able to power off the phone by holding the power button until it shuts off, which is about 7 or so seconds. The V30 does come with a 2 year warranty once you register, as long as you are in the US. The rest of the world gets the shaft though and only gets a year.
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Interesting! You should be able to power off the phone by holding the power button until it shuts off, which is about 7 or so seconds. The V30 does come with a 2 year warranty once you register, as long as you are in the US. The rest of the world gets the shaft though and only gets a year.
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Yeah. even the power button wouldn't work. I believe the phones affected were the nexus 5x, LG G4, G5, V10, and I think a couple others. The new 2 year warranty is probably because of this as 90 percent of these failures occurred after the 1 year warranty period. For all the devices affected they extended the warranty to 2 years for bootloop related issues.
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From what I understand, it's not the software that is the problem. The cpu (from some other phone) comes un-soldered from the motherboard (of that OTHER PHONE) making the phone (from years ago) pretty much useless. Was a widely known issue with a few lg phones (not made in 2017).
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Without going too into it, I am part of a class action lawsuit regarding these bootloops (from phones made in past years). According to all the evidence, the cpu (from some other phone) comes un-soldered just enough where the lg logo will appear and the phone freezes. The only way to shut it off after that is to either pull the battery or let the phone (from years ago) die if the battery is not removable.
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Thankfully, that has nothing to do with the LG V30. We are talking about any issues with 2017 LG V30, not phones from past years. You're going to confuse people who think you are talking about problems with the LG V30. I understand you are upset about LG's failures in the past, but the question is about possible CURRENT problems with LG V30.
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But we are talking about issues with 2017 LG V30 not phones from past years.
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That has nothing to do with the LG V30.
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I know. I was explaining to jcsww about the issues of the previous phones and was kinda wondering if the V30 is going to end up the same way those phones did in terms of seeming like pretty bad ass phones for the first year and then developing serious problems after a year.
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I know. I was explaining to jcsww about the issues of the previous phones and was kinda wondering if the V30 is going to end up the same way those phones did in terms of seeming like pretty bad ass phones for the first year and then developing serious problems after a year.
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I understand. It's just skimming through the thread, there was all these details about CPU coming loose, blah, blah. Sounds scary! But it's not the LG V30.
Mine has zero issues. Very good phone - and that says a lot since I swore years ago Id never own LG again.
I have seen that Verizon loads so much bloatware on the phone ... I was amazed. I have Tmo ... a few things on there than cannot be removed or disabled, but nothing crazy.
Hi,
I am seriously thinking of buying LG V30 when it becomes widely available in Europe,
however this review (https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/16/16457544/lg-v30-review-design)
has put me off. Can anybody comment on the screen issues this guy mentions?
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Hi,
I am seriously thinking of buying LG V30 when it becomes widely available in Europe,
however this review (https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/16/16457544/lg-v30-review-design)
has put me off. Can anybody comment on the screen issues this guy mentions?
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I've been following closely those complaints about the display. From what I read on Reddit or on XDA, it seems that only the first batches of V30s had those display issues, but LG corrected their production in october. The Verge must have tested one of those first units (their review was published on october 16). It should be solved right now, complaints have dramatically decreased lately...
deciBel71 said:
Hi,
I am seriously thinking of buying LG V30 when it becomes widely available in Europe,
however this review (https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/16/16457544/lg-v30-review-design)
has put me off. Can anybody comment on the screen issues this guy mentions?
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I've been following closely those complaints about the display. From what I read on Reddit or on XDA, it seems that only the first batches of V30s had those display issues, but LG corrected their production in october. The Verge must have tested one of those first units (their review was published on october 16). It should be solved right now, complaints have dramatically decreased lately...
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And I can show you a review (sample below) from October 12, where the both pre-production and early production displays (on two different phones) were tested thoroughly and nothing was wrong. The point I'm making is even in the pre-production and early production phase seems the the problems were not widespread. It was luck of the draw, not every phone. Dozens of professional reviewers praised the display, but a couple of reviewers got bad ones. Same with early purchasers. But Android Headlines got great displays in both pre-production and final retail (but still early production). So, the display issues had to be some minor percentage.
That's not to say LG hasn't improved the process so there's less lemons getting through the line, or perhaps with another month under their belt improved the quality even more, but you wouldn't have gotten such glowing reviews if every phone LG released in early October was a disaster.
Note the date, and note they tested two separate phones.
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https://www.androidheadlines.com/2017/10/lg-v30-review-ultimate-creativity-tool.html
LG V30 Review – The Ultimate Creativity Tool
October 12, 2017
There is some color shifting when looking at the display from an angle, pushing the normally warm hue of the display to a much cooler, bluer one.
This color shifting is a bit odd for an OLED, as any color shifting is usually caused by the oleophobic coating on the glass rather than shifting of the panel itself, although without taking the glass off it would be difficult to determine the reasoning for the shifting. It doesn’t look all that odd though simply because so many displays already exhibit a cooler tone to them, and while you’ll certainly notice the difference when looking at the display straight on, it might not be so noticeable to folks looking at the phone with you. Outdoor visibility is not affected by this color change at all, and in fact you’ll find it’s incredibly easy to see the V30’s display outdoors, no matter how sunny it is.
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Panel uniformity is perfect thanks to the fact that OLED’s pixel illumination methodology is done via individual pixels and not via a backlight that can easily exhibit light bleeding or uneven surface lighting.
Despite some reports we’ve seen during the preview period with the device, both our preview device, as well as the final retail unit, never showed signs of panel color uniformity issues, and looks fine at any brightness. When we test panel uniformity we use three different solid color backgrounds:
100% white,
100% black and
50% gray.
Each of these are then tested at the panel’s lowest and highest brightness, as well as a 50% brightness test. You’ll also find no issues with pixel refresh rates or pixel persistence rates of any kind, and this panel is an excellent performer for VR for many reasons, as we’ll cover below.
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https://hothardware.com/reviews/lg-v30-review?page=6
LG V30 Review: Setting The Record Straight For A Great Smartphone
October 27, 2017
In the final analysis, again, we're here to set the record straight on the LG V30. Though garnering its fair share of passionate praise, some have taken specific issue with this phone's LG-built pOLED display. To that we would quite simply offer that we're unsure what a select few others are looking at. Perhaps they're observing image inconsistency in corner-case lighting conditions, or maybe even in certain apps, where Android's gradient overlays can cause a "perceived" banding effect. We're not sure what others may have seen, but what we're looking at is a pretty fantastic flagship Android phone here, with an equally fantastic display.
To wit, I have used Samsung Galaxy devices as my personal phones for the past few generations, from the Galaxy S5 on up to the Galaxy S8+. Side-by-side versus Samsung's AMOLED displays, the LG V30 might not offer quite the same viewing angles as the GS8+, but the V30 is very competitive. In fact, I prefer the V30's slightly cooler screen calibration.
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No problems with my V30 so far. Manuf in October, only had it a few weeks. Slightly disappointed in the auto camera shooting (the Google camera app works for me, have not tried it much), but the most striking thing so far is the absolutely stellar battery life I am getting. I don't keep screen on time numbers and such, but I go to bed at night with well above 50%, and if I top up at all throughout the day, I'll go to bed with 65-70%. Thats using waze for about an hour, web surfing, reddit, Facebook, messaging, location turned on, etc. No messing around.
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I've been following closely those complaints about the display. From what I read on Reddit or on XDA, it seems that only the first batches of V30s had those display issues, but LG corrected their production in october. The Verge must have tested one of those first units (their review was published on october 16). It should be solved right now, complaints have dramatically decreased lately...
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Yeah I read that big thread on reddit too. After reading it, it made me really second guess getting the V30, but after reading your post it makes me feel a bit better knowing LG acknowledged the issue and corrected it. So to be on the safe side should I try to make sure I have an october made unit (if I even have a say in it)?
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I, like many others across the web (and some non-web silent ones) have experienced spider cracking of the camera glass for no apparent reason...didn't drop the phone...nothing else in the pocket...etc.
There seems to be a quality control issue with the camera glass that LG and Tmobile refuse to accept, and are putting the responsibility on the customer to pay for. This is incredibly, enormously, and exceedingly unfair.
Between both companies blaming us, and less than smart forum posters on the internet who don't understand what quality control is (some are bad, some are good...you probably got a good one...so chill)...I am looking to jump to another flagship sometime soon. Preferably one with a wide angle camera.
Sounds like a user error.
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Sounds like a user error.
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Sorry, but I disagree. The sheer amount of complaints I've read that are very similar, coupled with the fact this has been an issue on previous LG's leads me to believe it's a little more than user error.
Thankfully I seem to have one of the good ones, but for me LG should at least be investigating the issue further rather than fully blaming the consumers.
How do you know you have a good model without this default ?
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Sorry, but I disagree. The sheer amount of complaints I've read that are very similar, coupled with the fact this has been an issue on previous LG's leads me to believe it's a little more than user error.
Thankfully I seem to have one of the good ones, but for me LG should at least be investigating the issue further rather than fully blaming the consumers.
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Sounds like a user error.
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Spot on!
User error buying pi*ss poor engineering.
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Spot on!
User error buying pi*ss poor engineering.
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Every new phone launches with some random issues. I just don't think this is anything widespread. Time will tell but the number of complaints on this topic seem minimal. In comparison look at the Galaxy S8 and the pink tint, the iPhone randomly shutting off at 40% or the pixels camera flare.
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I, like many others across the web (and some non-web silent ones) have experienced spider cracking of the camera glass for no apparent reason...didn't drop the phone...nothing else in the pocket...etc.
There seems to be a quality control issue with the camera glass that LG and Tmobile refuse to accept, and are putting the responsibility on the customer to pay for. This is incredibly, enormously, and exceedingly unfair.
Between both companies blaming us, and less than smart forum posters on the internet who don't understand what quality control is (some are bad, some are good...you probably got a good one...so chill)...I am looking to jump to another flagship sometime soon. Preferably one with a wide angle camera.
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Taking into consideration, the sheer quantity of handsets (USA Complaints) compared to other markets... How many people outside of the USA, have had genuine issues (No user carelessness) with their camera glass?
By general market sale proportion, obviously there will be more American complaints about build quality issues.. BUT.. as someone in Europe and having owned several LG handsets now.. I have never had any of the "common issues" commented on over the past few generations of LG handsets.. ?
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Every new phone launches with some random issues. I just don't think this is anything widespread. Time will tell but the number of complaints on this topic seem minimal. In comparison look at the Galaxy S8 and the pink tint, the iPhone randomly shutting off at 40% or the pixels camera flare.
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Exactly. Good luck to OP switching phones. Hope he doesn't get a S8 with red tint or any other flagship phone that all have a list of problems you can read about online.
This is all surely stirring the pot to be sure but how do we benefit from doing so? We have no objective idea of how widespread these issues are, so hard to comment beyond our personal opinions of what exactly is happening with the case of a cracked lens. It's up to each to decide I guess. Even harder to convince LG to open up about it given their past rep with QC.
I think the camera lens having more area and being flush with the case is bad design as "pretty" as it is.
Device durability seems to have been sacrified for features/aesthetics as of late, but this is not just LG. What is the point of having a pretty phone if you need an awkward case to protect the edges of the screen?
There isn't much choice either when it comes to Android flagships. Not like there used to be...
It is possible that a flaw in the glass crystal structure causing these problem, but it seems unlikely as not that Hugh amount of people is having this problem.
I've dropped my G6 about 18 inches down onto a granite surface plate at work without any problems lol. I don't think it's widespread.
It is a widespread issue and needs to be stopped
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I, like many others across the web (and some non-web silent ones) have experienced spider cracking of the camera glass for no apparent reason...didn't drop the phone...nothing else in the pocket...etc.
There seems to be a quality control issue with the camera glass that LG and Tmobile refuse to accept, and are putting the responsibility on the customer to pay for. This is incredibly, enormously, and exceedingly unfair.
Between both companies blaming us, and less than smart forum posters on the internet who don't understand what quality control is (some are bad, some are good...you probably got a good one...so chill)...I am looking to jump to another flagship sometime soon. Preferably one with a wide angle camera.
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Previously i posted about starting a petition or contacting media outlets as well as LG about the issue but got nothing but nonchalant comments in return. Something needs to be done about this issue now
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It is possible that a flaw in the glass crystal structure causing these problem, but it seems unlikely as not that Hugh amount of people is having this problem.
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A familiar theme that I've noticed with the complaints I've read is that they were taking photos a short while before they noticed the cracks. Could it be the flash or camera body overheating the glass? That heat combined with a little stress and pressure in a pocket could be the cause of most the problems.
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A familiar theme that I've noticed with the complaints I've read is that they were taking photos a short while before they noticed the cracks. Could it be the flash or camera body overheating the glass? That heat combined with a little stress and pressure in a pocket could be the cause of most the problems.
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Possible but very unlikely, the heat should never transfer to the camera glass in the first place. There is an empty between the glass and the camera and the flash.
I love it here, the most entertaining of the XDA forums I use.
Threads like this and the I-never-researched-before-buying-and-now-I'm-SO-pissed-there's-no-all-important-notification-LED are great to read through.
I love my V20
Just because there is a thread reporting camera glass problems with hundreds of replies doesn't equal a wide spread problem. The v20 had cases of this too I think it's likely a random issue with the quality.
Without g4 bootloop level exposure you aren't likely to get it fixed for free. It took literally over a year for LG to acknowledge the bootloop problem and that was only the g4 that was acknowledged.
The free repair on this issue was a hit and miss but reportedly LG covers this issue under the V10 and g4 past warranty.
You have to also look at it from LGs prospective, there are a select few that can't take responsibility for dropping their phone and will attempt to get fixed for free when it's their fault.
How is LG supposed to know that the camera lens magically cracked? Until there is enough reports sent in to put it on g4 bootloop level of exposure I am afraid you're unlikely to get a free replacement or repair.
I don't think the problem is false and I wouldn't blame you for being pissed but there is an unfortunate few that ruin it for the rest of us.
On that note TMobile is usually pretty good about exchanges, especially with the jump program. I was able to jump with a V10 still rooted without a problem. They're pretty lax compared to other carriers.
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No one is saying that quality issues shouldn't be brought to LG's attention. I think what most people who have responded are saying is that the "I got a phone that has a problem and I read on the internet that 10 other people had this problem some I'm done with said phone forever" comments are silly. All phones have a batch or 2 that have problems. Contact LG and get a replacement or move to another phone and hope you get one without problems. I will say LG's handling of the bootloop issue was poor but hopefully they've learned.
It's been floating around for a bit. Compared to the note 8 it looks absolutely horrible. Really bad. Was thinking about getting this phone till I saw this!!
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/lg-v30-hands-on-lgs-oled-displays-still-have-quality-issues/
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It's been floating around for a bit. Compared to the note 8 it looks absolutely horrible. Really bad. Was thinking about getting this phone till I saw this!!
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/lg-v30-hands-on-lgs-oled-displays-still-have-quality-issues/
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Hopefully just pre-production issues.
LG actually makes the best OLED panels for TVs that even Sony uses for their TVs. So, there's no reason there should be any quality issues, except LG Display is a "separate" company from the LG company that makes cell phones. However, Google gave them almost $1 billion to get another line up and running to help out with the 2017 Pixel XL. Google used Samsung displays last year, but will be using LG displays this year and LG will be making the 2017 Pixel XL. So, if you are worried, wait a few months until the Pixels especially are in production before buying an LG V30. Because Google will make them straighten out any problems.
FYI, in the reader comments, someone mentioned another reviewer PRAISED the LG V30 display as being excellent. So, the Ars Technica guy may have just gotten a lemon or again, just pre-production issues.
It's one pre production unit. Can't really pass judgement on this yet.
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It's one pre production unit. Can't really pass judgement on this yet.
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Correct, a sample of one. I don't stare at black screens so uneven lighting doesn't bother me in actual use. Most people have praised the screen. So, as long as it looks good when it actually displaying images, I will be happy.
I know other don't feel the same.
It's disturbing.
There are at least two reviews that note banding and screen uniformity issues. There will be more. This issue is cause by the P-OLED manufacturing process LG employs. Screen colors are vibrant and gorgeous ... that is, until you start reducing the LED color input (or dimming the screen). Then the problems start showing up. Few will notice due to the high QHD+ screen resolution and keeping a normal screen brightness.
Side by side comparison to a Note 8 has proven this issue given that the V30 has a higher pixel density.
I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt the production units will be any different.
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It's disturbing.
There are at least two reviews that note banding and screen uniformity issues. There will be more. This issue is cause by the P-OLED manufacturing process LG employs. Screen colors are vibrant and gorgeous ... that is, until you start reducing the LED color input (or dimming the screen). Then the problems start showing up. Few will notice due to the high QHD+ screen resolution and keeping a normal screen brightness.
Side by side comparison to a Note 8 has proven this issue given that the V30 has a higher pixel density.
I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt the production units will be any different.
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No,it's not disturbing. Most reviewers say it's fantastic. You will find a couple of reviewers will always give critical reviews no matter what.
http://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/artic...erb-photos-and-gorgeous-display-top-hard-beat
This switch in display tech, along with further refinement of the already slim bezels of the G6, makes the V30’s screen hands down the best LG smartphone screen ever. All colours look lush and gorgeous, especially the blacks and red, and the display and glass back both curve towards the metal frame for that symmetrical “glass sandwich” look that Samsung pioneered.
The V30 ticks just about every smartphone box, including a whole bunch that most people never asked for. It has a large, gorgeous OLED display with slim bezels, cameras that excel in low light situations and the newest mobile processor. It is IP68 water-resistant, comes with hi-fi audio capabilities and can be charged wirelessly.
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Okay, the next thing you'll notice is that brilliant 6-inch screen. LG has switched to using OLED panels, and the result is fantastic
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It's not even 50/50. I can find you 10 positive reviews for every negative one.
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Few will notice due to the high QHD+ screen resolution and keeping a normal screen brightness.
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Yes, my light bulbs tend to turn dark when I turn them off.
These reviewers are using pre-production models, so actual retail won't be any worse and will probably be better. And even with that caveat, it's about 10/1 rave reviews.
Ok...Find me a pre-review that compares the V30's screen quality directly to another phone's screen quality. You'll find a lot of Note 8 and G6 reviews reference the V30's change to OLED but no direct OLED quality comparison.
Secondly, have you owned any P-OLED screen phones before? I have. Still have em. Their screens get better with each iteration but that banding (and graininess) is still there. OG G Flex - saturated screen bad, grainy 720p. G Flex 2 - Crispy saturated OLED colors noticeable banding, less grain on 1080p. V30 looks great brightness all the way up but....it's 1440p right?
I know the hope is real, but this is a hardware issue. Much harder to figure out than a camera software fix.
Think about this: When the V10 and V20 pre-review units went out, LG never revised their hardware - only the software was updated.
....Like I said I hope I'm wrong.
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Ok...Find me a pre-review that compares the V30's screen quality directly to another phone's screen quality. You'll find a lot of Note 8 and G6 reviews reference the V30's change to OLED but no direct OLED quality comparison.
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I found plenty comparing LG to Samsung OLED quality. Here's three below.
Then "worst" review is first... The only quibble mentioned on the first review (in one pre production unit) was "low light" issues, not banding nor uniformity. And the first reviewer even mentions LG"s crappy P-OLED efforts years ago and says that's not evident on this LG V30. He praises the current phone display as does the 2nd reviewer and third -- and ALL compare to Samsung's OLEDs, like the S7, S8, S8+.
1) LG V30 initial review: The no-BS flagship
I'm happy to report that the company has made a huge amount of progress over the past two years, to the point where V30's screen is almost as good as Samsung's SuperAMOLED. That sounds like faint praise, but I'm actually more than satisfied with what LG has brought to the table here. It's not Galaxy S8 good, but it's surprisingly close, and that's an achievement in itself.
Samsung is still the king of smartphone displays, there's no doubt about that. But LG's latest screen, at Quad HD+ resolution, looks fantastic and punchy, and unlike some of those older P-OLED panels, is clear enough to use outdoors in bright daylight.
If anything, this display's major weakness is in low light. It has an unfortunate tendency to crush shadow details at lower brightness levels, to the point where dark areas become illegible — and that's not great if you're watching Netflix by candlelight, or trying to judge exposure in a low-light photo. This is a disappointing holdover from older OLED efforts, and it's easily fixed in software by simply raising the floor for brightness, but that's not exactly ideal.
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The display, despite some low-light issues, is a step beyond any previous LG phone in terms of quality and daylight legibility. The size is near perfect for me, providing an expansive display in a more ergonomic handset than Samsung can currently offer.
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The V30's going to have its work cut out going up against the Note 8s and Pixels and iPhones of the world when it launches. But for the moment, it's easily among the best Android phones I've used, and has every chance of being a sleeper hit for late 2017.
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2) LG's Upcoming V30 May Be Its Best Smartphone Yet
“Is that the new Samsung phone?” I’ve been asked that several times the past few weeks, as I’ve been testing out LG’s upcoming V30 smartphone. And I get it, as the phone is thin, black-fronted, sleek, large, and has rounded edges with a big screen that covers a massive area. No doubt that at quick glance, the resemblance to what I've seen of the Samsung Galaxy Note8 in photos is close.
And because I regularly use a two-year-old Samsung phone, I’ve noticed that the similarities extend beyond sheer looks. For instance, the V30 has a vibrant screen. It’s the best one I’ve seen on an LG phone yet. Colors are intense while blacks are pitch dark. Photos truly pop -- something that I find beautiful in all of the latest Samsung models but lacking in recent LG phones. In this case, LG attributes that radiance to “QHD+ resolution” plus a 6-inch OLED display. Apparently, self-lighting pixels help generate infinite contrast. Sparing you the tech jargon, it’s just a terrific display that can be adjusted to be very bright -- although it doesn’t quite max out as bright as the display on my Samsung.
This makes looking at photos and videos a pleasure.
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3) LG V30 hands-on: Believe the hype
LG is back in the game
LG has talked a lot about the improvement in image quality as it switches from LCD to OLED in the V30. For me, the six-inch, Quad HD+ display (2880 x 1440) is one of the handset’s best elements. The colors look bright and vivid, almost popping off the screen – watching HDR YouTube content on it is breathtaking.
I’ve found the contrast between black and white makes reading text so good that I’m now using the V30 instead of my iPad Air 2 to peruse web articles. The phone's screen trounces my Galaxy S7 Edge, and while I only compared the two briefly, I also preferred it to the S8+.
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And after using it for about a week, I still got that “wow” feeling every time the gorgeous display came to life.
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So, there's three specific comparisons to Samsung, talking specifically about the display and how GREAT it is. You want more, I'll give them to you.
Now two more facts...
1) Google PIXEL XL2 will have the same LG OLED display as found in the LG V30.
2) LG Display’s OLEDs Coming on Premium Phone from Huawei, OPPO, Vivo and Xiaomi
https://www.gizmochina.com/2017/09/...coming-premium-phone-huawei-oppo-vivo-xiaomi/
Well, production unit issues are backing up my previous statements.
https://www.androidheadlines.com/20...screen-exhibiting-color-imbalance-issues.html
"According to a recent report from South Korea, LG customers who have had the opportunity to purchase the LG V30 after its September 21 debut in the country have started raising complaints in regards to the quality of the display. Apparently, the issue lies in the P-OLED panel’s inability to distribute colors and brightness evenly across the entire surface, resulting in an undesirable effect similar to the so-called “light bleeding” usually exhibited by backlit LCD panels."
Things to Keep In Mind:
1. The screen is still beautiful and vivid despite this issue
2. LG is aware, and price will come in lower (will continue to go down slightly as all units will have this issue)
3. Screen will not take away all the features packed into the phone
4. Consumers will have to decide between light uniformity issues vs. the better battery life and weight advantages the P-OLED screen brings.
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Well, production unit issues are backing up my previous statements.
https://www.androidheadlines.com/20...screen-exhibiting-color-imbalance-issues.html
"According to a recent report from South Korea, LG customers who have had the opportunity to purchase the LG V30 after its September 21 debut in the country have started raising complaints in regards to the quality of the display. Apparently, the issue lies in the P-OLED panel’s inability to distribute colors and brightness evenly across the entire surface, resulting in an undesirable effect similar to the so-called “light bleeding” usually exhibited by backlit LCD panels."
Things to Keep In Mind:
1. The screen is still beautiful and vivid despite this issue
2. LG is aware, and price will come in lower (will continue to go down slightly as all units will have this issue)
3. Screen will not take away all the features packed into the phone
4. Consumers will have to decide between light uniformity issues vs. the better battery life and weight advantages the P-OLED screen brings.
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I'm taking it with a grain of salt. Google is also using LG OLED for the Pixel 2 XL, so they're satisfied with the quality.
As are all the reviewers I quoted, directly comparing to Samsung AMOLED.
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I'm taking it with a grain of salt. Google is also using LG OLED for the Pixel 2 XL, so they're satisfied with the quality.
As are all the reviewers I quoted, directly comparing to Samsung AMOLED.
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You make a good point here. If Google is using lg's P-OLED panels. Then they seem to be good enough. I'm taking all this news with a grain of salt. I'll wait till the V30 actually launches in the US and US reviewers start reviewing production models.
Funny thing is that reputable tech reviewers like MKBHD, Pocket now, Mr. Mobile, etc have had nothing but praise and thye all had pre production models. I usually don't trust all these others tech sites as they are biased most of the time or too critical/take it out of proportion.
We'll see how the pixel is received and I can tell you that most of these site won't says anything about the pixel's display.
Just because Google is using them, doesn't make them great. The Nexus 6 had horrible screens.
Actually, the screen on the Nexus 6 was the main appeal. It was gorgeous at the time and it might still be my daily driver if it only had SD.
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Just because Google is using them, doesn't make them great. The Nexus 6 had horrible screens.
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No, not really. The screen on Nexus 6 is beautiful. I have a Nexus 6. It is a tab but warm compared to other screens bit it doesn't take away from the experience at all.
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No, not really. The screen on Nexus 6 is beautiful. I have a Nexus 6. It is a tab but warm compared to other screens bit it doesn't take away from the experience at all.
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I had 3 Nexus 6's and all had screen banding on gray backgrounds, just like the Galaxy s2 and S3.
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I had 3 Nexus 6's and all had screen banding on gray backgrounds, just like the Galaxy s2 and S3.
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Dude, looks like you had bad units all three time. My phone doesn't have that problem. And I know a lot of people who don't have the banding problem.
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Dude, looks like you had bad units all three time. My phone doesn't have that problem. And I know a lot of people who don't have the banding problem.
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I had one, wife had one, son had one. I swapped mine twice. No way 5 in a row were just a "bad run".
There's threads on here about the Nexus 6 screen issues.
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I had one, wife had one, son had one. I swapped mine twice. No way 5 in a row were just a "bad run".
There's threads on here about the Nexus 6 screen issues.
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I know there are threads about screen issues. I'm saying that I never had these issues. And I know atleast 10 others that don't have the issue. My dad, some devs and couple friends.
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I had 3 Nexus 6's and all had screen banding on gray backgrounds, just like the Galaxy s2 and S3.
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Dude, looks like you had bad units all three time. My phone doesn't have that problem. And I know a lot of people who don't have the banding problem.
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I had one, wife had one, son had one. I swapped mine twice. No way 5 in a row were just a "bad run".
There's threads on here about the Nexus 6 screen issues.
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Please don't take this the wrong way, but let me tell you a story. I work professionally in broadcast TV, on the technical side. I know about video, and now specifically about HD video. My experience includes not only content creation but QC at the highest levels for global #1 brand.
We have the BEST equipment, the best video displays -- so I know what's good and what's crap. I watch HD video for a living you might say. Back in early 2008, I personally bought my first HD TV, a 60" Sony Bravia 1080p. It was FANTASTIC. In the years since, I've replaced it with another 60" TV, but this story is about that Sony. I did my research, and I bought that TV because it was the best TV for the money at the time. (I couldn't afford Panasonic plasma back then.)
In a forum much like this one, there were a few OCD people who found issues with that specific model Sony Bravia 1080p TVs. Light leakage, banding, blah, blah, blah. One guy took back his TV THREE TIMES to get replacements. Yet, that year, THAT TV model won Best HD TV of the Year award. I kept my TV for 6 years, finally replacing it in 2014 when the technology got so much better. There was NOTHING wrong with that TV.
So, where's the disconnect? I think some people look for flaws that aren't there and find them. Looking through the threads, these same people seem to take back ALL their TVs. I don't know why, and I don't want to disparage them. Maybe it made them feel superior to see flaws that weren't there.
But remember, I know more about video displays than they do, and how good HD video should look (FROM THE SOURCE!). Seeing that TV in my living room looking at the exact same video I had seen at the source back at work, I knew what looked "good" and what didn't. That TV looked fantastic. So, I think there were other issues going on than the actual TV. (Yes, you have to set up all HD TVs -- tweak the settings. You can't just use them out of the box, or you often have cartoonish skin tones. But these people also claimed extensive knowledge in how to set up a TV, so it wasn't that.)
Yes, there will be lemons in a production run of a million units, but those occasional lemons don't tarnish the whole model. That guy that took three back, I'm very skeptical he got three bad TVs in a row and I got the only "perfect" one. You know?
It's my profession, so video is very important to me. But right now, I have to say I take professional reviewers word over "reports" from South Korea. And if Google and many others are using LG OLED displays, and Google is using it for their XL flagship this year, they must have great quality.
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I know there are threads about screen issues. I'm saying that I never had these issues. And I know atleast 10 others that don't have the issue. My dad, some devs and couple friends.
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See above. That's not to say there may not be early production issues, but U.S. units will be shipped later so it should be all straightened out. I'm just VERY skeptical of when a few people find "problems" like this. Then when you look at their history, they are the only ones who seem to be plagued with these problems over and over.
You got me all wrong. You can do whatever profession or job you want, doesn't make you an expert because you work with certain equipment. Car salesman work with cars all day long, doesn't make them experts on engines.
I know what I look for because I know what I pay for, I know my first s8+ had red tint on the top right side of the screen. This one don't, I've looked and looked on this one, can't find it. You can't find something that isn't there. But if something's there and you look for it, you'll find it.
Either or, to each their own.
Hey all,
I'm considering getting a G5 because they are pretty cheap on Amazon right now - $249 for a new unlocked RS988 with a US warranty. When searching the web for information on it there are a LOT of complaints about build quality and reliability issues, but only a few posts here and there that people's G5s are working properly. Now usually people will go online and post issues they are having to get help; nobody goes online to post, "I just wanted to say my phone is working great today!"
That said, it's tough to determine if this model is a complete lemon or if there are just a lot of complaints about a few issues.
How has your LG G5 experience been? Would you recommend getting one or steering clear and looking elsewhere?
Thanks for your input!!
... so a little back story on this. I have two phones I use regularly. By night my daily driver is a Samsung GS7 Edge, but I can't have a camera(phone) at work, so during the day I use an LG G3 which I've disassembled and removed the cameras from. I move my SIM card from device to device every time I switch to the other one. I've had my G3 for about 3 years now (got it new from Verizon) and the processor abruptly failed preventing the phone from powering up at all (I've tried all the tricks in the book including jumpering the main board, heat-gunning the processor, and baking the main board in the oven -- which temporarily worked). I wound up buying a "dead" G3 on ebay, wiping and reflashing it but it's having the same dreaded processor failure -- which is apparently a common defect in the G3s (also apparently an LG signature).
In the mean time I'm relying on my even older Samsung GS3 but it too is beginning to have hardware failures so I'm looking to get something new.
That said it's not vital for me to have a perfectly working phone 100% of the time, I don't need it to be working all the time. What is important to me is having a device I can safely disassemble to remove the cameras without destroying it. However, I don't want to spend the money on a device which will be a lemon and have unnecessary headaches when I could buy something less flashy but more reliable. What I really want to know is: is the LG G5 reliable ~80% of the time? ~50% of the time? ~10% of the time? I think you get the picture.
I'm sure this is probably more information than necessary, but thank you all for your time and input!
An objective list of issues you're likely to experience:
The G5 is notorious for having GPS issues, GPS performance may degrade or just not work reliably from the beginning. There is a hardware hack/workaround which can ameliorate the situation but YMMV if GPS is is something you need.
Your screen will progressively develop (temporary) image retention through exposure to heat/heavy usage. On default settings, ghosting will occur within seconds of white elements being displayed, starting from the corners of the display. If you tame the screen calibration somewhat (either via a custom kernel or filter app) the issue is reduced to the point of being practically unnoticeable.
Most G5 screens have some light bleed, nothing excessive, but noticeable on black screens with full brightness.
AOSP and other ROM support for the G5 is not fantastic; LG's quirks mean there are a lot of issues compared to other devices, and the G5 being a pretty overlooked/unpopular device the dev community is small.
The surface finish of the phone is fragile, especially at the module connection. It will hold up well if you're careful, but don't expect a pristine device if you use it naked.
The positives, as far as your situation goes:
Incredibly easy to open up and modular compared to other modern phones - you shouldn't have an issue modifying it and putting it back together as needed. Also easy to repair if anything goes wrong.
LG seems to have fixed the hardware bootloop death that plagued earlier phones up to the V10
Speaker quality is surprisingly good with the default charging chin
No major problems with heat in normal usage, battery life isn't bad
Current stock based ROMs (e.g. Fulmics, or just rooted vanilla) are perfectly stable and perform very well, especially with a third party kernel to stop the image retention from being an issue
Always on display on these ROMs has an impressively small impact on battery, contrast and black levels are good enough that you won't be able to tell it is backlit unless you move the phone from a very bright environment to pitch black (the always on display takes a second to adjust the contrast)
All said, it's a fantastic performer for a great price (worth much more than they're going for, honestly) and with some features that can be hard to find in today's flagships. It's reliable in the sense that it will work well, and predictably, but it's far from without issues. If you can live with/work around the issues you shouldn't have any unpleasant surprises.
Thanks @epithetic for a very detailed pros/cons! I truly appreciate it.
GPS may be an issue, I use a Map My Run to track daily running workouts during lunch at work. I've seen the workarounds and figure I can implement that when I have it open to remove the cameras. I have seen many posts that most fixes are temporary and GPS will degrade again.
I find it amazing that there is any screen burn-in on a modern phone! But there it is, if there's a fix/solution I'm OK with that.
I NEVER use a phone naked ... I'm too clumsy and will break it!
Also I'm perfectly fine with tweaked stock ROMs. Having a GS7 Edge there's not too much development because of how locked down the phone is. I'm fine with even root and can debloat/tweak/adblock to my hearts content.
Thanks again!
I got a T-Mobile branded G5 a few months back. Absolutely none of the problems and build quality issues I was warned about. My phone has a February 2017 build date, which is 10 months after release. I suspect LG fixed the issues between that time.
The battery not satisfied.
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I got a T-Mobile branded G5 a few months back. Absolutely none of the problems and build quality issues I was warned about. My phone has a February 2017 build date, which is 10 months after release. I suspect LG fixed the issues between that time.
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I have experienced zero issues with my RS988 G5 , but mine has a February 2017 build date as well. It's also only about a month old.
I also rarely use GPS so I can't really comment on that.
I've had my H850 since May 2016 and had absolutely 0 issues with it
Sprint LG G5 LS992 here with a build date of January 2017. Got the entire list of hardware issues epithetic listed. However I got this phone from LG customer service directly, so my unit may be an example of "new motherboard, old hardware" refurbishing that they shoved on me.
As such I'd also warn to check for dead and/or stuck pixels. Can't see any with my naked eye under normal usage at a distance. But when I eventually got a Cardboard VR headset to put the phone inside of, I found about two dozen problematic pixels scattered around in my view, more than the warranty tolerance amount for the display.
That said I do agree it is very easy to service parts on this phone. With a tinkering and scavenging attitude it is definitely a good value for the CPU, GPU and camera performance.
I'll start with my final thoughts, the LG G8X is a mid tier phone with a flagship design, spec wise its on the lower end of the "flagship" phones. Without the second screen the G8X would be a easy pass.
I've had the phone for about a month now, design wise its not premium, its not smooth or fluid around the edges front to back, the buttons sticks out a bit too much IMO, compare to my S9 plus its about the same thickness maybe a 2mm thicker front to back. it feels ok in the hand, I would never want to drop it, unlike all the other major brands I could not find a case or screen protector from Amazon Canada that was not shipping from China. I end up going to ebay to find a case, even the retailer could not find a case, this is how far LG have fallen.
Costco no longer carry LG phones nor does Rogers and best buy since the G7. Back to cases, it seems in other regions LG gave a case and headphones with the phone, for that frak you LG that was a shyty thing to do, for now I have to keep the phone in the dual screen case to protect it. Not including a case to all market is a disappointing move on LG part. (update) I just sold my S9 plus, the buyer was surprised the phone was used because of the condition the phone was in, zero scratches anywhere on the phone because I had a screen protector and various cases on the phone since day one ( Our secret don't tell the buyer I dropped that phone at least 5 times ). I finally received 2 case I bought from ebay as I could not find any local retailer with any LG G8X accessories.
Before I forget, the charging cable needs to be longer its too short to use with the magnetic adapter, it looks really cool on youtube, that's because its super light weight but once you plug the cable in depending on where or how far your plug is it will not work, the weight of the cable going down my side table have caused the phone to not charge because the magnet came loose which led me to buying a new wireless charger because the G8X did not work with my was current wireless charger.
On to the important stuff, the second screen works (yeah), it turns on sometimes by itself when I don't want it on or it turns off and will not turn on until you disconnect the phone and reconnect it, I've had to power down the phone a couple times to get the second screen or the outside info screen working again. As for software, many of you already know its sucks, first off out of the box the unit was not working properly I had to a factory reset twice not a big deal but I never had to do this with any other brand new phone in the last 10 years. I tried using the the LG keyboard but had to change it to the GB.
I've notice I have to hit the back button 2, 3 times for anything to happen, same with the home button, I know I pressed it from the taptic feedback, sometimes there's just a delay either way we should not have these kind of issues on 2019 major brand phone "flagship" at that.
To conclude again the LG G8X is not a flagship phone design and software wise, the idea is great and somewhat refreshing but it is not a game changer in its current form. Software aside if this phone with dual screen cost $10 to $100 more it would be a major pass for me, without the dual screen it would be a major major major major pass at its current price, it would have priced lower than the one plus phones. New G8 can be had for $400 Cad so there you go.
I just got mine and i only got it as a second phone. This phone is a novelty to me. I think that any tech enthusiast buying this phone will buy it with extremely low expectations. This is an LG after all. The same company that hasn't turned a profit since Q3 2014
It's regrettable if you thought you would get flagship performance from this phone. I got it for the party tricks.
Other than that everything you said was spot on and i agree wholeheartedly.
Yeah, I had to disable things like Mini-View and Floating Bar, just because they don't work reliably enough. There are just lots of little things like that. The Samsung equivalents on my Note 8 works much more reliably and has better UI/UX.
It has much promise and potential, but they gotta work on the software and make the UI/UX more cohesive. Now, it's just too rough around the edges.
I think you have buggy phones. I have not had any issues with the duel screen turning on or off. For gaming (Call of Duty) the dual screen is amazing! Wide View is rubbish though as the case is too thick, but works ok for Facebook, seems to add to the experience not detract. Even if you end up reading from only one screen, knowing from peripheral vision what is coming next actually enhances the viewing experience.
I will admit the phone is a bit laggy at times but fingers crossed LG will release Android 10 and we'll get some improvements.
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I think you have buggy phones. I have not had any issues with the duel screen turning on or off. For gaming (Call of Duty) the dual screen is amazing! Wide View is rubbish though as the case is too thick, but works ok for Facebook, seems to add to the experience not detract. Even if you end up reading from only one screen, knowing from peripheral vision what is coming next actually enhances the viewing experience.
I will admit the phone is a bit laggy at times but fingers crossed LG will release Android 10 and we'll get some improvements.
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I'll have to agree with inzimam here. I haven't had any issues with this phone as of yet. It hasn't exhibited any of the characteristics that have been complained about thus far. No lag (at least, no more lag than what is to be expected from a phone), no stuttering, no screen randomly turning off and if it is off I can always get it to turn back on.
As far as the OP is concerned, yeah, if you wanted a phone that was easy to find cases for, you should have gone with an iPhone. Or at the very least, a Samsung. Cases have been and will always be cheap and plentiful for those phones. Everything else, good luck. You are gonna need it.
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I'll have to agree with inzimam here. I haven't had any issues with this phone as of yet. It hasn't exhibited any of the characteristics that have been complained about thus far. No lag (at least, no more lag than what is to be expected from a phone), no stuttering, no screen randomly turning off and if it is off I can always get it to turn back on.
As far as the OP is concerned, yeah, if you wanted a phone that was easy to find cases for, you should have gone with an iPhone. Or at the very least, a Samsung. Cases have been and will always be cheap and plentiful for those phones. Everything else, good luck. You are gonna need it.
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I respectfully disagree with both of you, I forgot to mention when in "dark" mode the notification is still white, how ridiculous is that, the software needs cleaning up, at least 3 times this week the second screen turned on when I unlocked the phone, I know for sure I did not have it on before. Today I got another vague update, no info other than it will make the phone work better, really LG.
You're I could've bought pretty much any other phone and found a case at locally not just an Iphone or Samsung, you bringing up 2 other popular brand is a moot point because you can find cases for Moto, Nokia, Sony, HTC, Honor, Huawei easily. Consumers voicing their opinion is the least we can do, we deserve better not just mediocre like what we got from LG.
I'm using the G8X without the dual screen case right now, I have to be honest its not a upgrade over my S9 plus, this have nothing to do with branding, I still have my G6, I'm no fanboy, I have a Android tablet and a Ipad mini, I see things for what they are..
I haven't reached yet, can anyone tell me if we can remap the google assist button, I hated it on my S9 plus I hate it the same on the G8X.
Thinking on your comment regarding the cases, only a id$#t would suggest to buy another phone if I wanted a case to protect my hard earn money that spent on this phone, finding a case was one issue but it shouldn't be one seeing that LG gave a case to other regions. The product should entice others instead companies after companies are dropping LG phones or their accessories, please leave this fanboyism out of this. LG as company could very well be in trouble, their phones are not selling as well as they should be, more and more companies are coming out with Oled panels so Lg and Sony are no longer the only game in town, in a few years LG oled TV will be meh in the marketplace.
LG needs to clean up the software on their phones, better build, stick to the innovation for at least 3 years, oh, the V50 got Android 10 why not the LGX the last phone you released?
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I respectfully disagree with both of you, I forgot to mention when in "dark" mode the notification is still white, how ridiculous is that, the software needs cleaning up, at least 3 times this week the second screen turned on when I unlocked the phone, I know for sure I did not have it on before. Today I got another vague update, no info other than it will make the phone work better, really LG.
You're I could've bought pretty much any other phone and found a case at locally not just an Iphone or Samsung, you bringing up 2 other popular brand is a moot point because you can find cases for Moto, Nokia, Sony, HTC, Honor, Huawei easily. Consumers voicing their opinion is the least we can do, we deserve better not just mediocre like what we got from LG.
I'm using the G8X without the dual screen case right now, I have to be honest its not a upgrade over my S9 plus, this have nothing to do with branding, I still have my G6, I'm no fanboy, I have a Android tablet and a Ipad mini, I see things for what they are..
I haven't reached yet, can anyone tell me if we can remap the google assist button, I hated it on my S9 plus I hate it the same on the G8X.
Thinking on your comment regarding the cases, only a id$#t would suggest to buy another phone if I wanted a case to protect my hard earn money that spent on this phone, finding a case was one issue but it shouldn't be one seeing that LG gave a case to other regions. The product should entice others instead companies after companies are dropping LG phones or their accessories, please leave this fanboyism out of this. LG as company could very well be in trouble, their phones are not selling as well as they should be, more and more companies are coming out with Oled panels so Lg and Sony are no longer the only game in town, in a few years LG oled TV will be meh in the marketplace.
LG needs to clean up the software on their phones, better build, stick to the innovation for at least 3 years, oh, the V50 got Android 10 why not the LGX the last phone you released?
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Hey, never said that I was right. Just that I haven't had those issues yet.
I agree with you about the dark mode notifications. I suspect that it has something to do with dark mode not officially being available for Android 9... Coming from the LG V30, I'll take any dark mode I can get though.
Not sure where you live, but where I've lived, unless you have an iPhone or Samsung, your options are to order a case online, or order a case online... The HTC One M8 is the last phone I had where cases were actually stocked somewhere in a decent selection... The HTC 10 had a pathetic offering of one case I found at Bell in Vancouver. The case on that phone was almost like Randy's kid brother Ralphie getting wrapped up by his mother to go to school from the movie A Christmas Story. The V30 had exactly double the number of cases as the HTC 10 did, and both were equally as pathetic. The better case was utterly useless after 3 months as it was falling apart. So while I may be an id#$t for suggesting purchasing another phone, it always seems to be that ic you want a decent case to protect your phone, the answer seems to be iPhone or Samsung cause i can never find anything but the cheap chinese garbage cases that wont protect anything let alone a glass sandwich.
As far as fanboyism goes, you should have seen me when Nokia announced they were gonna be purchased by Microsoft... Or when HTC sold its engineering division to Google... This isn't fanboyism... LG would need to make a product that I don't immediately want to re-skin with a third party launcher before I'd consider being a fanboy of LG. ... You know what? I'd even settle for an Android OS upgrade that doesn't drop almost 24 months since that version of Android launched. (Looking specifically at the Android 9 update for the V30 H933 model.) I don't even want a cleaned up OS... I just want a freaking update!
To be honest, all the good phone makers of years gone by are in financial trouble unless they are Apple or Samsung... Nokia got sold to Microsoft, HTC sold its soul to Google, Motorola sold numerous times only to be acquired by Lenovo, and just like that relationship, the big names that are left are still here because they have massive companies backing them up. They don't have to turn a profit to stay alive... Those who did are no more, or aren't what they used to be. If memory serves correctly, Sony and LG haven't turned a profit in phones in close to 5 years. HTC is all but dead, Nokia is a sliver of what it used to be, and we know what happened with Motorola.
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I'm gonna chime in because I've had ever single G and V series device since the G3 so I'm a big fan of LG devices.
I really tried to love the G8X. I think the price point in the us at least (albeit I'm in Canada) is spot on. The concept is fun and the screen is actually pretty nice. I liked the ui although slightly disappointed with night mode not having dark notifications. That will change with Android 10.
Theme system is still great. Actually lg has the best theme system on the market. I'm not talking about variety or quality but rather ability out of box to theme virtually anything with little restrictions.
I found battery life to be exceptionally good. I am also impressed with the sound quality of the device. It is a very loud device.
The second screen is cool and works very well. It obviously adds a lot of bulk and weight to the device. I found myself not actually using it after about a month. For me at least it just isn't needed. I don't play enough games and it just was more of something to show off to people like a hey look at this. But for my use it was impractical.
Camera is a big disappointment from what I'm used to with LG. I think they could have done better. Especially the front one. Mind you I don't do many selfies at all, but when I tested it I was disappointed.
Fingerprint sensor is absolutely horrible. I tried to pretend it wasn't crap but it really is bad. Slow and doesn't consistently work as many have complained. In the end I had to admit it just sucks. The animation for it was badass though. Having no face unlock is kinda disappointing. Even just regular face unlock would have been fine as it always worked well on other non tof devices.
What really killed me was how for at least Canadian devices for almost 2 months now LG has allowed devices to have broken LTE. November security patch broke LTE and lg simply told users to just not use lte and switch to 3g. I did find a fix and made a thread for it. Mind you my fix breaks voicemail shortcut. It does restore LTE. They still have not addressed this. That is completely unacceptable.
So I made the decision last week to sell my G8X. It pains me to say it but I feel I made the right call. It just isn't good enough. My G8 is just so much better and has better features imo.
I'm still kinda bummed about it but I did what I felt I needed to do to recover my money as best I could before the device that I just couldn't love no matter how hard I tried lost too much value.
I've had my G8X for about a month now, coming from a V30. Is it a gimmick? Sure... but it's an incredibly useful gimmick. I've had none of the issues the OP refers to. Zero crashes or second screen shutdowns. I find the fingerprint sensor to be only marginally worse than the case-back sensor on the V30, so to me it's a nonissue.
Complaining that without the second screen the G8X isn't all that is IMO a head-scratcher. The only reason to buy the G8X is for the second screen. If you're not going to use that, I don't know why you would buy this phone.
The charging issues I'm not going to address, as I have Qi wireless chargers both at home and my office, so I have yet to even try wired charging.
Do I wish the case front wasn't mirrored and a fingerprint magnet? Yes. Do I wish the front screen was more than a tiny notification screen? Yes. Since the case is a USB-C accessory, my hope is that either LG or third parties develop other second-screen options that improve the functionality and usability of the second screen case. That's the interesting thing about this approach compared to the "folding phones" model: accessory case replacements and improvements can presumably be acquired without having to replace the original phone.
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Fingerprint sensor is absolutely horrible. I tried to pretend it wasn't crap but it really is bad. Slow and doesn't consistently work as many have complained. In the end I had to admit it just sucks. The animation for it was badass though. Having no face unlock is kinda disappointing. Even just regular face unlock would have been fine as it always worked well on other non tof devices.
What really killed me was how for at least Canadian devices for almost 2 months now LG has allowed devices to have broken LTE. November security patch broke LTE and lg simply told users to just not use lte and switch to 3g. I did find a fix and made a thread for it. Mind you my fix breaks voicemail shortcut. It does restore LTE. They still have not addressed this. That is completely unacceptable.
So I made the decision last week to sell my G8X. It pains me to say it but I feel I made the right call. It just isn't good enough. My G8 is just so much better and has better features imo.
I'm still kinda bummed about it but I did what I felt I needed to do to recover my money as best I could before the device that I just couldn't love no matter how hard I tried lost too much value.
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Sad to see you go, But I totally agree with the fingerprint scanner. It's pitiful. Pathetic. Sorry excuse for a fingerprint scanner. As far as LG software goes, well, you know my opinion on that... The worst part about being stuck on the Android 8 update was Bluetooth on the V30 was so beyond buggy it was a freaking joke... I get your frustration with their pathetic software..
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I've had my G8X for about a month now, coming from a V30. Is it a gimmick? Sure... but it's an incredibly useful gimmick. I've had none of the issues the OP refers to. Zero crashes or second screen shutdowns. I find the fingerprint sensor to be only marginally worse than the case-back sensor on the V30, so to me it's a nonissue.
Complaining that without the second screen the G8X isn't all that is IMO a head-scratcher. The only reason to buy the G8X is for the second screen. If you're not going to use that, I don't know why you would buy this phone.
The charging issues I'm not going to address, as I have Qi wireless chargers both at home and my office, so I have yet to even try wired charging.
Do I wish the case front wasn't mirrored and a fingerprint magnet? Yes. Do I wish the front screen was more than a tiny notification screen? Yes. Since the case is a USB-C accessory, my hope is that either LG or third parties develop other second-screen options that improve the functionality and usability of the second screen case. That's the interesting thing about this approach compared to the "folding phones" model: accessory case replacements and improvements can presumably be acquired without having to replace the original phone.
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Agreed as well. What's keeping me here is I've found the second screen to be useful more than I thought I would, it's supposed to have a Quad DAC (I suspect the ESS Sabre 9218 out of the standard G8, but no one will tell me), and finally, because my pathetic phone carrier wont stock the standard G8.
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Sad to see you go, But I totally agree with the fingerprint scanner. It's pitiful. Pathetic. Sorry excuse for a fingerprint scanner. As far as LG software goes, well, you know my opinion on that... The worst part about being stuck on the Android 8 update was Bluetooth on the V30 was so beyond buggy it was a freaking joke... I get your frustration with their pathetic software..
Agreed as well. What's keeping me here is I've found the second screen to be useful more than I thought I would, it's supposed to have a Quad DAC (I suspect the ESS Sabre 9218 out of the standard G8, but no one will tell me), and finally, because my pathetic phone carrier wont stock the standard G8.
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Only thing I disagree with is the fingerprint scanner. It's not the best but it's definitely not horrible. Coming from the V30 which worked 10/10 times, the G8X works about 9/10 times. However, I still wish it had a face unlock. It would be nice to have it automatically unlock after opening the second screen.
I use the dual screen case about 50% of the time. Having two screens is super fun and useful but I find myself using it less and picking up my V30 more when I have it attached.
There are a few software hiccups that I do find annoying, mostly when I'm using the gestures so I just stick to the button navigation. Also pulling down the notification shade looks kind of janky so I hope they fix some of the animations.
I'm trying hard to love this phone but LG software experience is making hard. The fingerprint sensor is a 7/10 for me, battery life is a hit or miss, with the same usage, the phone in the case no dual screen sometimes I will get 6 hours screen time with 30% battery end of day but other times only 3.5 hours screen on with 34% end of day, more of the latter in my experience. As some mentioned the software is not smooth, be it flickering, delay or just not smooth, comfort view keeps turning off for not reason; lately I've been thinking about my S9+, I'm no fanboy I know Samsung had their issues but it was a better experience all around..
Anyhow hope we get android 10 soon and hopefully it fixes some of these issues, sad thing is you can pickup a G8 for around $300 Canadian, like I said if there was no second screen the G8/V50 would be a better buy if you're looking for an LG phone. I going to try a day or 2 without the dual screen case to see if I get a more consistent battery life.
I'm not hating on LG I just wish they would clean up their software before the go the way of BlackBerry. I think in the next week or so I going to post it for sale, just hope I don't lose money on it. I love the concept, idea, just from the wrong company. The LG G8X should've been released with android 10, instead LG is doing the same old thing, I would take a cleaner experience over android 10 but since I'm not getting either from LG I'll just complain and move on lol.
FYI you can turn on the second screen using the "knock on" or double tap feature.
Some of you that have issues with the screen turning on by itself could just be you accidentally double tapping that screen while handling the phone.
I was also able to find a case for it at The Source.
It's just a basic Pure Gear slim clear case, but the hard case packaging that it came in makes a great storage case for the dual screen when I'm not using it.
I personally love the feel of the phone in the hand being glass all around and not having a camera hump, but it's a slippery unit so a case is pretty necessary.
And the weight of 192 grams makes it feel like a premium device in the hand that could take some abuse (minus broken glass, but that's all phones nowadays).
I was on the fence about keeping the phone when I initially upgraded, and was contemplating returning it for an S10, but I figure the S10/S10+ are going to drop dramatically in price very shortly, whereas I think the G8X will hold it's value longer having the dual case option, and it being less expensive initially.
So far I'm having a good experience, but I may put up for sale or trade for an S10+ in the near future simply because I have zero clue if and when LG will be updating this thing to Android 10, never mind 11....
No way was I going to go for a newer Pixel with their abysmal battery life and no option for an SD card.
Also, anyone who tells me they can tell a difference between the 855/855+/865 I have a bridge to sell you...
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FYI you can turn on the second screen using the "knock on" or double tap feature.
Some of you that have issues with the screen turning on by itself could just be you accidentally double tapping that screen while handling the phone.
I was also able to find a case for it at The Source.
It's just a basic Pure Gear slim clear case, but the hard case packaging that it came in makes a great storage case for the dual screen when I'm not using it.
I personally love the feel of the phone in the hand being glass all around and not having a camera hump, but it's a slippery unit so a case is pretty necessary.
And the weight of 192 grams makes it feel like a premium device in the hand that could take some abuse (minus broken glass, but that's all phones nowadays).
I was on the fence about keeping the phone when I initially upgraded, and was contemplating returning it for an S10, but I figure the S10/S10+ are going to drop dramatically in price very shortly, whereas I think the G8X will hold it's value longer having the dual case option, and it being less expensive initially.
So far I'm having a good experience, but I may put up for sale or trade for an S10+ in the near future simply because I have zero clue if and when LG will be updating this thing to Android 10, never mind 11....
No way was I going to go for a newer Pixel with their abysmal battery life and no option for an SD card.
Also, anyone who tells me they can tell a difference between the 855/855+/865 I have a bridge to sell you...
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If you check kijiji, the G8X is selling for less than the S10 or S10+, too late to get rid of it now, you'll lose money. Even sadder is the s9 and S9+ are getting Android 10 updates while the G8x is still in wind. This is my last LG phone, I can't in good conscience support them, I don't think we the consumers are asking for much from a company that claims to produce "flagship" devices.
Like I said, the idea was a good one but everything else is sloppy not on par with a major flagship smartphone.
I wonder if LG is going to use Covid-19 as a excuse to continue delay of Android 10 update release for the G8X. I'm done with this company, they don't deserve our money.
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I was on the fence about keeping the phone when I initially upgraded, and was contemplating returning it for an S10, but I figure the S10/S10+ are going to drop dramatically in price very shortly, whereas I think the G8X will hold it's value longer having the dual case option, and it being less expensive initially.
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Without the 2nd screen, these are going for 200 USD on ebay, which is crazy for a 6 month old phone. I'm thinking about picking one up.
man this guy is a harsh critic. the phone is great. it's mid-range, so expect mid-range at a nice price point. but this thing has got several flagship features that set it it above other devices in this price range, obviously the dual screen, but also headphone jack + quad dac and surround sound, snapdragon 855, SD slot + 128gb built in, excellent cameras, insane battery life, sleek and quality design. I got it so cheap with Sprint (50% off plus free dual screen) that I can't imagine complaining about it, but maybe if you paid full price unlocked it would be different. great phone imo.
Hello members. Is been pass for when Google Pixel 7/7 Pro was released. New phones come out new hype, impressions. This is like every year but interesting to see how people reacts and what think. I'm maybe to old for this but for last few years I keep devices for longer time. Before Google 7 Pro, I used Note 20 Ultra. I was happy with it. But I prefer clean Android and Google features, this is why I switched to Pixel (I'll not switch and I'm not interested for longer time now). So I have questions for you. Who switched to Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra from Pixel 7/7 Pro or oposite from S23 Ultra to Pixel 7 Pro think. Or switched from diferent device, brand phone.
My Pixel 7 Pro has some sort of motherboard or power issue that keeps frying screens. I am on my second Pixel 7 Pro screen replacement and the third is starting to show similar pulsing of brightness and flickering symptoms. I have an S23 Ultra on order for pick up on Friday at my local Best Buy and I can't wait.
I also can't wait to have a modem that's actually worth a damn and more than 24 hours of battery life when I don't use my phone heavily.
I changed my pixel 7 pro for the ultra and I got it yesterday. The pixel 7 pro is a good phone for regular use with a great camera, it's snappy and very fluid and some decent performance while gaming. Battery wasn't that solid. I used it for the past three months since it came out. Since receiving my ultra S23 i can say just WOW. This device is a beast. Camera zoom is incredible even tho the colors are saturated that can be fixed after with may photo app, even Googles own photo app with just auto fix can do the trick. Battery wise it's a tank and the feel of the device is heavy compared to the pixel 7 pro but feel and solid. Software wise is like pixel os or stock android on steroids i really like the widget stacking and other minor things. From the time I got till today I can say that so far it's a Greta super snappy very good camera dm battery beast device. Definitely an upgrade from the pixel 7 pro. Once you change most things to Google like keyboard and all the other things you won't really miss the other device. I would rate it a 9.5/10 and the pixel 7 pro 8/10
Just a quick screen shot of the battery life with just one cycle. That's with one hour of video call, toms of video and web browser, VPN and not battery optimization just plain stock.
I own Pixel 7 Pro. Now waiting for my S23 Ultra to arrived on 24th February.
Am not switching tho. I gonna retire my Aquos R6.
Plan to use my S23 Ultra in stock configuration, locked bootloader, no root. I just gonna debloat using Brevent, blocking ads using private DNS, and managing permissions & net acess using AppOps & Netguard. I still hate Samsung for all features that got nerfed/disabled once you unlock your bootloader. But then, nowadays, it's hard to find brand who release decent phone with 1TB configuration (Apple OS sucks, Xperia price isn't worth it's features & specs. There's Nubia, but it lean heavily towards gamer's need while i prefer a better camera)
So, Pixel 7 Pro for all the mods. And S23 Ultra for Banking (zero headache without root) & Multimedia center.
A bit off topic but I switched from the P6P Google to the S23 U. I say wow about performance Camera and overall the S Pen and so on. Yes the switch was a good choice for me
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My Pixel 7 Pro has some sort of motherboard or power issue that keeps frying screens. I am on my second Pixel 7 Pro screen replacement and the third is starting to show similar pulsing of brightness and flickering symptoms. I have an S23 Ultra on order for pick up on Friday at my local Best Buy and I can't wait.
I also can't wait to have a modem that's actually worth a damn and more than 24 hours of battery life when I don't use my phone heavily.
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Interesting. Just dropped my P7P off at ubreakifix for same issue. they told me they have been seeing lots of this. also happened to order an S23U right after. I will still keep the P7P for my daily though, assuming it stays functioning.
Not really switching as I'm doing like others here have mentioned. I have a green S23 Ultra due to arrive sometime early this week (whenever UPS updates the "label created" status. Should be a fun phone.
Nothing wrong with my Pixel 7 Pro. Probably the one of these least problematic phones I've owned and ranks up there with the Pixel 2xl and the Nexus 5 as my fav Google phones.
Anyhow, I'm using the P7P to have fun with Android 14 DP and betas. Will swap back and forth between it and the S23 Ultra until I swap the P7P for the Pixel Fold or P8P.
Though the Ultra will be the primary, nothing was wrong with the Pixel 7 Pro. I just like have the latest and greatest.
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Interesting. Just dropped my P7P off at ubreakifix for same issue. they told me they have been seeing lots of this. also happened to order an S23U right after. I will still keep the P7P for my daily though, assuming it stays functioning.
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It's gotta be a motherboard or power delivery issue that's shorting the display and slowly killing it because I baby my phones and yet I'm not too sure my screen is going to last until Friday and I just got it like 2 weeks ago. They replaced my first one with a second one and it started acting up two days later. Replaced that one and it's lasted a few weeks but uhh... how many replacements am I going to have to get? Google doesn't have a lemon policy where they say they'll replace the device after so many fails at repairing it but uBreakiFix is going to object for sure because the second screen they replaced was with their own warranty for the repair, not Google footing the bill, as they assumed they just gave me a bad screen and it took me two days to notice.
If you check this thread, you and I are far from alone.
Well that's fun... My screen is defective
Started noticing the other night that when I was on certain sites that I would get streaks down the screen. They moved with the text on the screen and it was worse with white backgrounds. Now when my screen goes on or off, the edges flash green...
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It's gotta be a motherboard or power delivery issue that's shorting the display and slowly killing it because I baby my phones and yet I'm not too sure my screen is going to last until Friday and I just got it like 2 weeks ago. They replaced my first one with a second one and it started acting up two days later. Replaced that one and it's lasted a few weeks but uhh... how many replacements am I going to have to get? Google doesn't have a lemon policy where they say they'll replace the device after so many fails at repairing it but uBreakiFix is going to object for sure because the second screen they replaced was with their own warranty for the repair, not Google footing the bill, as they assumed they just gave me a bad screen and it took me two days to notice.
If you check this thread, you and I are far from alone.
Well that's fun... My screen is defective
Started noticing the other night that when I was on certain sites that I would get streaks down the screen. They moved with the text on the screen and it was worse with white backgrounds. Now when my screen goes on or off, the edges flash green...
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well he did say he was seeing it a lot. I kind of doubted him, but not so sure now. Im not in a large metro area and pixels arent very popular so if its in large numbers its pretty bad. I went rounds with them trying to get the to just replace the phone as they had done for me in the past, though to be honest I have rarely had any problem, but they were having none of it this time. mine was acting up, lasted about a week when I first noticed and contacted google, then yesterday it went kaput, and took it in. They didnt have a screen, but should be done by tuesday. well see how long it lasts I guess.
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It's gotta be a motherboard or power delivery issue that's shorting the display and slowly killing it because I baby my phones and yet I'm not too sure my screen is going to last until Friday and I just got it like 2 weeks ago. They replaced my first one with a second one and it started acting up two days later. Replaced that one and it's lasted a few weeks but uhh... how many replacements am I going to have to get? Google doesn't have a lemon policy where they say they'll replace the device after so many fails at repairing it but uBreakiFix is going to object for sure because the second screen they replaced was with their own warranty for the repair, not Google footing the bill, as they assumed they just gave me a bad screen and it took me two days to notice.
If you check this thread, you and I are far from alone.
Well that's fun... My screen is defective
Started noticing the other night that when I was on certain sites that I would get streaks down the screen. They moved with the text on the screen and it was worse with white backgrounds. Now when my screen goes on or off, the edges flash green...
forum.xda-developers.com
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Probably the displays. Since implementation of variable refresh rate displays the failure rate seems to have escalated across the board.
Maybe badly coded firmware blowing out drivers in your case. Maybe a design or manufacturing flaw or a hot spot in the phone burning out the drivers. Google should owe up to it instead of whistling through their graveyard.
This is one of the reasons I didn't upgrade from the N10+. I also leave the firmware alone as it runs flawlessly as is. Well over 8k hours on this display, still perfect.
Lots of issues with the Samsung variable refresh rate displays on all their latter flagship models. Also a fair amount of display issues on their early fixed rate AMOLEDs. Whether they are user, hardware, firmware or induced by a combination of factors is unknown. As is the mean display lifetimes of various models. Display roulette
It should also be noted that OLEDs and AMOLEDs displays are completely incompatible with water. How well the OLEDs are or aren't encapsulated effects their lifespan and failure rate. Keep phones away from water and avoid water exposure regardless of the ip rating. High G loading from impacts or direct impacts can damage them; always use a good case. Battery swelling from a failure is another way they can be damaged. Overheating from direct sunlight exposure.
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Probably the displays. Since implementation of variable refresh rate displays the failure rate seems to have escalated across the board.
Maybe badly coded firmware blowing out drivers in your case. Maybe a design or manufacturing flaw or a hot spot in the phone burning out the drivers. Google should owe up to it instead of whistling through their graveyard.
This is one of the reasons I didn't upgrade from the N10+. I also leave the firmware alone as it runs flawlessly as is. Well over 8k hours on this display, still perfect.
Lots of issues with the Samsung variable refresh rate displays on all their latter flagship models. Also a fair amount of display issues on their early fixed rate AMOLEDs. Whether they are user, hardware, firmware or induced by a combination of factors is unknown. As is the mean display lifetimes of various models. Display roulette
It should also be noted that OLEDs and AMOLEDs displays are completely incompatible with water. How well the OLEDs are or aren't encapsulated effects their lifespan and failure rate. Keep phones away from water and avoid water exposure regardless of the ip rating. High G loading from impacts or direct impacts can damage them; always use a good case. Battery swelling from a failure is another way they can be damaged. Overheating from direct sunlight exposure.
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I've had no issues with any other OLED panel going all the way back to my S-AMOLED Samsung Captivate (first generation Galaxy S for AT&T). That means... Captivate, S3, S4, Note5, iPhone 12 Pro Max, Pixel 3 XL, OnePlus 9... Probably missing one or two in there. I turn off variable refresh because it annoys me so that theoretically should make my display less prone to failure but here we are. I mean the Pixel came out in October... Those other devices were kept a year give or take (12 Pro Max was two years old before I traded it for the Pixel 7 Pro).
I've never even had OLED burn in because I don't use auto brightness, I manually adjust. I take pretty good care of my phones.
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I've had no issues with any other OLED panel going all the way back to my S-AMOLED Samsung Captivate (first generation Galaxy S for AT&T). That means... Captivate, S3, S4, Note5, iPhone 12 Pro Max, Pixel 3 XL, OnePlus 9... Probably missing one or two in there. I turn off variable refresh because it annoys me so that theoretically should make my display less prone to failure but here we are. I mean the Pixel came out in October... Those other devices were kept a year give or take (12 Pro Max was two years old before I traded it for the Pixel 7 Pro).
I've never even had OLED burn in because I don't use auto brightness, I manually adjust. I take pretty good care of my phones.
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OP seems to have a good display track record. iPhones I don't really track at all. I track Samsung's now as a matter of morbid curiosity as their flagships continue disappoint me. The N9 was ok but under powered. Samsung has always been hit or miss. Expandable storage would at least show up after being skipped for one generation. I always blew off models without it for the last 7 years... that will not change. As far as tech support Samsung's is poor. A true pain to deal with.
I have 2 N10+'S, my first AMOLED displays, zero issues. I always use manual brightness control and rarely go beyond 50% and then measured in seconds rather then minutes. Always use dark mode as well with no status bar icons.
Some user's insist on running brightness at or near 100% even indoors. Some don't use cases or use ones with inadequate protection.
What could go wrong?
I love Samsung S22/23 Ultra design. By far most beautiful phone design. But I'd say Google Pixel 7/7 Pro is so damn beautiful and original. Something different from other devices. If you put on the desk with iPhone, Samsung it will looks amazing. I'm happy with Google Pixel 7 Pro and it just works. Yes some will say performance isn't good as Samsung, iPhone or other. I don't care about it, but I really enjoy Pixel features. Samsung has best spam call blocking (Hiya), but Screen call is so well done I use most every time if unknown number calling. Did anyone looked how much system takes of storage out of the box. Interesting 65Gb. It is too much. Google use about 16Gb. Not the best but 4 times less. After all I'm too old for switching devices every year or more then once per year. So I'll use Pixel 7 Pro two or three years.
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They don't actually. Every single one of their devices going back to at least the 8 Pro has numerous reports of green lines in the screen *and* OnePlus claiming it was dropped and refusing to fix it despite no other obvious damage to the device.
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Samsung has always been hit or miss
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The S23U looks way more hit than anything to come before it in many years. I'm genuinely excited to get this phone.
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This is never coming back to flagships. I guess you're stuck with your Note for the foreseeable future.
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Some user's insist on running brightness at or near 100% even indoors.
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I use mine around 10-30% most of the time. I don't abuse my displays.
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They don't actually. Every single one of their devices going back to at least the 8 Pro has numerous reports of green lines in the screen *and* OnePlus claiming it was dropped and refusing to fix it despite no other obvious damage to the device.
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I was only following more recent OP models. Not too intently though...
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The S23U looks way more hit than anything to come before it in many years. I'm genuinely excited to get this phone.
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A slight upgrade over the S22U. Same clunky, heavy design with plenty of room for expandable storage. Samsung has failed to bring any real innovation for years now, just adding teasers.
They did considerably clean up the S23U chassis internally though. Much cleaner, too bad it's offset by other poor design choices.
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This is never coming back to flagships. I guess you're stuck with your Note for the foreseeable future.
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That's what Google wants. However eventually if they don't rock it, somebody will. Samsung's flagship phones sales are suffering. Alienating their flagship power users isn't helping their cause.
My expected service life for my N10+'s is 3+ more years. No sweat as they continue to fullfill their mission and save me time and money. My 4G data plan is grandfathered and with 5G being used more now my bandwidth has increased. Cheap, battery friendly and more than enough bandwidth.
The N10+ is just a better balanced phone with a better form factor and display/bezel ratios than any of its successors. It has a better matched performance to available heat sink ratio and the same, often better battery life while weighing 30gms less. Samsung has failed to make their newer flagships effectively more efficient and just keeps slamming in bigger batteries to compensate. Unfortunately the heat sinking area/capacity hasn't increase to keep up with the higher thermal loads. Google Android has damaged functionality and efficiency with its scoped storage... no such thing on Android 9 and 10. By using the N10+'s I avoid the more undesirable Android versions simply by not upgrading/updating. Security simply isn't an issue in actual usage.
Such is the curse of Samsung's ineptness. As a pragmatist I didn't hesitate in exploiting this opportunity by buying a second new discounted N10+... and denting Samsung's pride futher. A stone cold pleasure. It may not be a good plan for some users but it serves me well. If I had to buy a flagship today it still be a new N10+ snap running on Q. Path of least resistance/maximum reward.
I have both. S23 Ultra is great, but Pixel 7 Pro is my daily driver. Photos are amazing.
Not happy that the firmware for the Ultra is over 10 GBs now to flash files. Compared with Googles 2 GB Files.
So I have pixel 7 pro and was thing to switch to U23 ultra, I was leave Samsung 7 years ago when was last note 4 so is little long time.
Right now not sur ei still have mixed feelings.
Pixel has smaller screen zoom about 10%-15% smaller also letter is well.
That big screen and waste it with bigger letters and icons.
Also I can't change samsung pass to Google password manager.
Display on pixel on my eyes looks more luxury then Samsung. But that is just my feeling.
Yes few thing what is issue on pixel there on U23U is work fabulous.
Big plus is battery pixel 7 pro I got around 8h+ on display U23U looks come around 12h+ that I'm impressed.
Also I love it quick setting widgets in pixel and looks without root is not possible to install on Samsung.
So yes also I love design S23U normal corner not kurve to much and spen Thst amazing plus.
So in my case not sure yet if will replace pixel 7 pro or not. All have pro and cons
I switched but I'm a little torn. I love all the little things the Pixel does right. The call screening, voice recognition, lack of bloat....but I needy screen mirroring, texts on my motorcycle (that the pixel never got right) and superior multitasking. I must say the battery life is on another level too but I was fine with it on the pixel. The cameras were fine too.
I switched from 7 Pro because this phone doesn't work in most of the World. In country I stay the most, it didn't have 5G, VoLTE and VoWiFi.