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Okay, so I sent my TF201 as well as the power cable in for an RMA because the shoddily designed power connector ended up mangling the receptacle on the tablet. I could charge the tablet only by plugging in the keyboard dock, and even then that's iffy.
It was over 2 weeks since I sent the tablet via UPS and they hadn't contacted me. I checked on the RMA site and it said this:
Waiting-[WF4] Wait for Customer Confirmation-Customer Induced Damage \Out-Of-Warranty
No emails or anything. I called Asus and the customer support guy, while polite, was clueless and couldn't help me. No explanation either, which the customer service guy parroted. He estimated the repair cost to be around $130. Screw that! I asked him to escalate the case, but from what I've read online, customer support from Asus is impotent.
Also, I just got off the phone with support guy number 3. Again, complete waste of my time. He wouldn't pass me off to a supervisor when I asked (twice).
Does anyone have any suggestions? What are my options at this point? What magic phrase do I need to use in order for Asus to actually honor their warranty?
This is definitely a make-or-break moment for Asus and my future business with them. I've got an Asus motherboard, an Asus monitor, and a tablet, but I will not hesitate to drop them and recommend others avoid them if this isn't resolved.
Warranty is not really too useful - this is the manufacturer assuring you that is specific things break in a specific period, they will replace them. What is much more powerful (potentially) is consumer protection legislation. Goods must be as described, fit for purpose, safe, etc.
Typical behaviour is to claim you broke 'it' by doing something silly (pulling the connector at a bad angle maybe). You need to demonstrate a design or manufacturing flaw.
In the UK, the claim is against the vendor, not the manufacturer.
You may be able to pursue legal action for a refund (less deduction for the time it was usable).
Likely, if you press hard enough (in writing, with traceability, not by phone), they will agree to some compromise. If no-one else has complained of the same problem, they will rightly assume you are pulling a fast one.
Contact head office in your country - noone else will have the authority to waive the repair fee.
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Warranty is not really too useful - this is the manufacturer assuring you that is specific things break in a specific period, they will replace them. What is much more powerful (potentially) is consumer protection legislation. Goods must be as described, fit for purpose, safe, etc.
Typical behaviour is to claim you broke 'it' by doing something silly (pulling the connector at a bad angle maybe). You need to demonstrate a design or manufacturing flaw.
In the UK, the claim is against the vendor, not the manufacturer.
You may be able to pursue legal action for a refund (less deduction for the time it was usable).
Likely, if you press hard enough (in writing, with traceability, not by phone), they will agree to some compromise. If no-one else has complained of the same problem, they will rightly assume you are pulling a fast one.
Contact head office in your country - noone else will have the authority to waive the repair fee.
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Sorry this isn't going to help but... why do you expect them to repair your device for free if it was damaged while plugging/unplugging? Did you yank it in some odd way and cause it to deform?
I too have noted that the back side of where it plugs in us more exposed than the front due to the angle/slope of the back plate at the edge. I worry something bad will happen if I yank on it. I am more careful because of this.
If you leave the gas nozzle in your car at a gas station and drive off you can't expect the dealer/manufacturer to warranty any damage to your vehicle AND you will most likely get billed by the station for the repair to their pump.
I'm sorry you are having the problem but I'm not seeing ASUS at fault here. You claim it broke due to shoddy design. I doubt it did so on its own and I am sure that is the way they see it too.
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Sorry this isn't going to help but... why do you expect them to repair your device for free if it was damaged while plugging/unplugging? Did you yank it in some odd way and cause it to deform?
I too have noted that the back side of where it plugs in us more exposed than the front due to the angle/slope of the back plate at the edge. I worry something bad will happen if I yank on it. I am more careful because of this.
If you leave the gas nozzle in your car at a gas station and drive off you can't expect the dealer/manufacturer to warranty any damage to your vehicle AND you will most likely get billed by the station for the repair to their pump.
I'm sorry you are having the problem but I'm not seeing ASUS at fault here. You claim it broke due to shoddy design. I doubt it did so on its own and I am sure that is the way they see it too.
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Nope. I treated that thing well. I noticed that the plug was not solidly built pretty early on into my ownership cycle, so I took care to make sure that when I plugged it in, the cord was nice and straight and the plug was gently put in. Obviously *something* must have caused the pins to be mangled but if it was because of a bump, that's shoddy product design, not carelessness on my part.
If it was a $20 repair I'd eat the bill, but they a.) haven't even gotten back to me why they believe it's my fault, b.) they haven't emailed me at all, I've done all of the reaching out to Asus, and c.) they say they're waiting for MY response even though no one at the call center can answer what response they're actually waiting for. The second guy I talked to just estimated that the bill would be "around $130".
I am willing to work with Asus on this, but they're not willing to work with me. See what I mean?
Where did you purchase the unit and how long ago? (These are actually rhetorical questions).
If your purchase was within the past 90 days and you paid with a credit card, you may be able to work with your credit card company and refuse the charges. Not that the retailer should necessarily eat the cost, but if you bought from Amazon, Target, etc., they probably have some sway with Asus. Make your pain their pain...
Hopefully you took pictures of the damage before sending it...
This is EXACTLY what I am going through right now with Asus.
My daughter's Prime boots to the ASUS screen and gets stuck there and will not turn off.
I called tech support and they walked me through several attempts to reset, said they thought it was a software issue and then gave me an RMA number. (BTW, I had also RMA'd my own Prime earlier this year due to GPS and wifi issues and it came back to me with a scratch on the lid. So my husband and I went over my daughter's tablet with a fine tooth comb before sending.) I shipped it in the box and packaging that Asus returned mine in.
I sent it 11/29 and they rec'd it 12/3. On 12/4, the RMA status said
Waiting-[WF4] Wait for Customer Confirmation-Customer Induced Damage \Out-Of-Warranty
No one contacted me. I called Asus on 3 separate occasions - each unable to tell me anything but promising to escalate. I rec'd no calls back.
On Dec 13th, we received an email from Megan Nesmith saying there is customer induced damage and an invoice for repairs. Attached were 2 close-up photos showing VERY OBVIOUS damage - a deep jagged crack in the front corner of the screen and additional damage where it looks like someone pried up the metal around the power button with a screw driver.
At this point, I spoke to a Kamar (sp) who said that I would receive a call by tomorrow evening once they investigate.
I am feeling as if they know my warranty is almost up (end of december) and are going to hold the tablet hostage- my word against theirs. I have done some research and have read similar stories about the Asus Texas repair facility. I don't know what to do if they come back and tell us there is nothing they can do and expect us to pay. I really feel taken advantage of. Anyone have advice for a situation like this?
What's interesting here is the lack of consistency
last week, I RMA'd my Unlocked prime for a sound issue, the issue was it just stopped working through both the speaker, and headphone jack. Asus honored the warranty and fixed it free of charge, I was expecting to get charged, but did not, in fact, it was a one day turnaround in Grapevine TX, my guess is they tested it, and just sent me a different prime, and its already on the way back, I should have it back tomorrow, its possible they may not have fixed it at all. I admit I am very nervous about it, I was told minimum of 10 days when I rma'd. I was very shocked when I checked the status, to make sure they had it logged in as received, and it said ready to ship, after 1 day, and repair status, was device repaired OK, let alone not being charged.I am very curious to see whether it come's back from Grapevine relocked, as I have read several peoples posts here XDA that after Rma the Tablets are relocked, and unlockable due to serial number removal
I even sent it in with a fresh install of Androwook 1.51.Asus didn't seem to have any issues with it being unlocked, at least with me, and I have never seen such a fast turn around on a RMA , EVER. My last Asus Rma took about 4 weeks on a Asus Rampage 4 extreme Motherboard
So why is there this kind of of consistency issues when RMA'ing. This should be pretty cut and dried
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What's interesting here is the lack of consistency
last week, I RMA'd my Unlocked prime for a sound issue, the issue was it just stopped working through both the speaker, and headphone jack. Asus honored the warranty and fixed it free of charge, I was expecting to get charged, but did not, in fact, it was a one day turnaround in Grapevine TX, my guess is they tested it, and just sent me a different prime, and its already on the way back, I should have it back tomorrow, its possible they may not have fixed it at all. I admit I am very nervous about it, I was told minimum of 10 days when I rma'd. I was very shocked when I checked the status, to make sure they had it logged in as received, and it said ready to ship, after 1 day, and repair status, was device repaired OK, let alone not being charged.I am very curious to see whether it come's back from Grapevine relocked, as I have read several peoples posts here XDA that after Rma the Tablets are relocked, and unlockable due to serial number removal
I even sent it in with a fresh install of Androwook 1.51.Asus didn't seem to have any issues with it being unlocked, at least with me, and I have never seen such a fast turn around on a RMA , EVER. My last Asus Rma took about 4 weeks on a Asus Rampage 4 extreme Motherboard
So why is there this kind of of consistency issues when RMA'ing. This should be pretty cut and dried
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I think it has more to do with the repair depot. They arent actually owned by ASUS, rather Authorized by passing a series of tests/checks. Down the hall from me where I work we have a computer hardware repair department that is Dell, HP, Lenovo and possibly Gateway authorized.
So essentially you are dealing with a company with its own set of rules/standards who want to turn a profit and depending on their moral compass etc... you may get billed for a MOBO like I will in Texas if a flash goes wrong and I send it in VS Europe who will just reflash the ROM. Further other folks are having trouble with the call backs etc...
I think what would be most usefull is to compile a list of repair depots that are doing what so others can avoid using the ones they think will shaft them.
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I think it has more to do with the repair depot. They arent actually owned by ASUS, rather Authorized by passing a series of tests/checks. Down the hall from me where I work we have a computer hardware repair department that is Dell, HP, Lenovo and possibly Gateway authorized.
So essentially you are dealing with a company with its own set of rules/standards who want to turn a profit and depending on their moral compass etc... you may get billed for a MOBO like I will in Texas if a flash goes wrong and I send it in VS Europe who will just reflash the ROM. Further other folks are having trouble with the call backs etc...
I think what would be most usefull is to compile a list of repair depots that are doing what so others can avoid using the ones they think will shaft them.
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Thats nothing just time to let off some frustration. I'm an owner of an Asus Transformer infinity tablet and i pray to god I never have to RMA that. I had an asus Blu-ray Burner that died on me. I sent if for repairs on January 28th 2013. after a few weeks went by not hearing anything I checked online wasn't in a rush for it no inquiry was made I called them and they said the drive was mailed on the 15th of February. After not receiving the drive on the 29th I called back and they said that is weird their systems says it was mailed but did not have a tracking number. They would have to look into it and get back to me. Tuesday February 26th I called again speaking to 20 different reps at this point they finally just reissued another drive shipped on the 27th on February. After all this received the Drive today and its a dvd burner not a blu-ray burner wrong product. Freaking ridiculous. I swear on my grave treat your asus product like a god because their RMA department is crap!!! I just took screenshots and photos to prove they sent me a wrong product.
I've just about had it with RMA. My Transformer has been back and forth to ASUS for six months. It's a total of seven times and they still haven't fixed it. It originally went in for WiFi and gps issues. When it was returned I found grit under the digitizer and so it went back. They replaced the screen and mobo. When it came back there was a huge gap between the screen and the body. So, I sent it back again. They replaced the back panel and when it came back there was still a gap and there was damage to the seal around the screen. So, it went back again. This time they replaced the back again and on receiving it I found the gap was even larger and they had bent the body, forcing the screen in. So, again it went back and they replaced the back panel and screen. On return the gap was still there, the damage was still present on the "new" screen and the hadn't even locked the release catches. I compared the damage on the "new" screen with the photos I took for the previous RMA. Basically, they hadn't replaced the screen. They collected it again today and assure me it will be resolved. I really don't think it will. The technicians clearly don't care and lie about the parts they replace. I think they hope that if they just keep sending it back with some bull**** on the slip that one day I'll give up. I won't though. I spent a lot of money on it and I won't accept the repair centre damaging my property. The most ridiculous part is that they have now spent more on postage than I paid for it. I can think of an easier resolution for this, that's far more cost effective.
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I sent my Prime to RMA, took 1 week.
1. Wifi improved by 1 Bar
2. I GOT YELLOW TINTED SCREEN!
They replaced my touch panel due to flex. Yes RMA has improved my prime but gave me an icky yellow tint. Oh gosh.
Hi,
I'm living in France and i've just found a brocker who want to sell a lot of tablets here
Code:
leboncoin.fr/informatique/497860592.htm?ca=7_s
This is a french company, and i didn't know it. It's near Paris.This company seems to be regular according; the "who we are page" on its website :
Code:
lesoldeur.fr/content/4-qui-sommes-nous
I think this could be a good opportunity for people having a hard-bricked device getting a motherboard. However the seller want too sell the lot, only. If many further people ask for a tablet, he's able to sell all the lot in a short time, this could be interesting for him!
I think too this will be interesting only for people leaving in France maybe on a European country and able speaking french, don't forgot the custom's fee's outside europe!
What do you think?
Note : NO WAY for me buying the whole lot and selling it to each people who need it!
Hi.
Basically I bought a Nexus 9 and noticed a Dead Pixel (or something of the sort, I have no idea what it is) in the lower left portion of the screen. I contacted Google Support once, and they told me they can't give me a replacement. It was at this point I rang the next day and said I wanted to return it (I'd only had it 2 days) and they said a Dead Pixel does warrant a replacement. Now, on the return email it said that Google Specialists will take a look at the faulty tablet, and if deemed fine will ask me to return the replacement. Considering the first Google employee I spoke to said this was not an issue, is there a chance I'll have to send a replacement back and be stuck with my original one? That dead pixel was driving me absolutely nuts. Just wondering if anyone had any experience with the returns procedure of Google.
Thanks.
Depending on the country you live there are laws that over write what goggle will tell you. A dead pixel is a definite fault that warrants a return. In the old days led monitors had a dead pixel clause. Less than 3 didn't warrant a return. These days 1 is a reason.
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Depending on the country you live there are laws that over write what goggle will tell you. A dead pixel is a definite fault that warrants a return. In the old days led monitors had a dead puzzle clause. Less than 3 didn't warrant a return. These days 1 is a reason.
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I'm from the UK but the fact 1 is a reason is comforting.
Thanks for the reply though. The returns process has been extremely good, I rang yesterday to arrange a replacement and it has been shipped today already, I'll probably get it tomorrow
From the UK here, I requested an RMA last Thursday due to a dead pixel and screen bleed. The process for me was really straightforward once I had rang them. They sent a replacement unit through yesterday but unfortunately that's even worse than my original. So I rang them again and they were really helpful. I've requested a refund so I'm going to send back my old unit first then they will send more shipping materials to send back my replacement then refund my money once it's all complete. Hope it all carries on as smooth as it has so far.
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From the UK here, I requested an RMA last Thursday due to a dead pixel and screen bleed. The process for me was really straightforward once I had rang them. They sent a replacement unit through yesterday but unfortunately that's even worse than my original. So I rang them again and they were really helpful. I've requested a refund so I'm going to send back my old unit first then they will send more shipping materials to send back my replacement then refund my money once it's all complete. Hope it all carries on as smooth as it has so far.
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Ah, guess you got quite lucky. The first time there seemed to be an absolute doughnut on the other end of the phone. He couldn't comprehend what a dead pixel was, got me send him a photo and then replies saying they can't replace it.
I had a bit more luck the second time round, my plan was to just straight up return it and just buy a new one with the refunded money. The woman asked why I wanted to return it, I explained the situation and she said she can arrange a replacement for me right now. The only thing I'm worried about is whether it's a dead pixel or not. Aren't dead pixels normally black? This is like really white, it might be a scratch on the inner surface of the screen or something, but it shows up on all backgrounds apart from Black. I guess we'll see what happens once I return it.
Are you thinking of buying another one with the refunded money? I can't wait to get my hands on a perfect one, it was just buttery smooth and such a pleasure to use. It's got such a premium feel to it, gives the iPad a run for it's money.
Dead pixels don't necessarily mean black.
It could mean, its RGB toggles are out of whack, and end up lighting up fully, causing full bright white.
If that's the case, you have grounds for a refund / exchange. Under UK's Distance Selling Regulations, which is now changed to Consumer Contracts Regulations, you are able to return it within 7 WORKING days (essentially, could last from a Friday to the Tuesday, 11 days later) of receiving your goods.
If Google gives you this dead pixel policy BS, then UK law will override it. If however you're over the 7 day period, it gets a little tricky, but you're still protected from the Sale of Goods Act 1979, which states that sellers must provide replacements, or refunds on defective products.
And a dead pixel is a clear defect, for you, for me, for the judge, and jury.
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Ah, guess you got quite lucky. The first time there seemed to be an absolute doughnut on the other end of the phone. He couldn't comprehend what a dead pixel was, got me send him a photo and then replies saying they can't replace it.
I had a bit more luck the second time round, my plan was to just straight up return it and just buy a new one with the refunded money. The woman asked why I wanted to return it, I explained the situation and she said she can arrange a replacement for me right now. The only thing I'm worried about is whether it's a dead pixel or not. Aren't dead pixels normally black? This is like really white, it might be a scratch on the inner surface of the screen or something, but it shows up on all backgrounds apart from Black. I guess we'll see what happens once I return it.
Are you thinking of buying another one with the refunded money? I can't wait to get my hands on a perfect one, it was just buttery smooth and such a pleasure to use. It's got such a premium feel to it, gives the iPad a run for it's money.
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I'm of the same opinion on the tablet, absolutely love it. I think I'm going to wait it out for a couple of months until they sort their QC issues out, but I'm definitely going to get another one.:good:
My phone was in a pool of about 3' of water for a few seconds, with all of the ports completely closed. Ever since, the screen hasn't been responsive except for a small portion of the top left. I contacted Sony, who told me to contact Verizon, who told me to contact Sony...and on the 3rd attempt, someone at Verizon finally bridged up someone at Sony and the RMA # was then provided to me.
I sent the phone back to Sony (at my own cost), and just received it back today. They left adhesive sticking out of the gap between the glass and side trim, and left trim off the bottom of the phone, which is nowhere to be found. They also claim to have done a successful pressure test on it, but I am absolutely sure that my ports were closed when the phone entered the water. In fact, I use a Qi charger to ensure that the seals on the ports remain intact.
Here is the document they sent the phone back with.
Adhesive sticking out of the side.
Bottom trim gone.
Long story short, I loved this phone, but it is not waterproof, and don't expect support if it becomes water damaged. Very frustrating, as I am still paying for the phone via Verizon Edge.
Wow.. Looks like a novice did that job. That's horrible. Sorry for your loss!
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Same boat
I just had a similar thing happen. 10 seconds in a kiddie pool and now I have dead zones in my screen. Visiting Verizon today, any suggestions for dealing with them?
It's unfortunate your experience was terrible, especially with the kind of service they did. The thing is though, not all Z3v's are defective like yours. I've washed mine in the sink, taken it to shower, brought it to several swimming pools, and I've never had any waterproofing problems.
And in any case, I have the $8 insurance with Verizon for any problems such as dropping it or losing it. I'm sure Verizon can do something for you if you did subscribe to that.
abrown325 said:
I just had a similar thing happen. 10 seconds in a kiddie pool and now I have dead zones in my screen. Visiting Verizon today, any suggestions for dealing with them?
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Based on my experience, you're SOL without insurance. I typically don't buy insurance on phones because the monthly premium + deductible just isn't worth it on a device I can get on eBay or Swappa for $300-400.
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Based on my experience, you're SOL without insurance. I typically don't buy insurance on phones because the monthly premium + deductible just isn't worth it on a device I can get on eBay or Swappa for $300-400.
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I'm going to neglect to mention the water and see where that gets me...
I had the same experience. I had my Sony in the water with all the ports closed and it got water inside. I contacted Sony and the guy I spoke to told me I had to send it in at my own expense and they would determine if my phone was defective or if it was user error. He also told me not to hold much hope because he said he hasn't seen them replace one yet. I sent it in and they mailed it back saying it passed a pressure test so it must have been my fault. I spent $500 on a waterproof phone that lasted all of two Weeks and broke when it got wet while being used properly. I called Sony to argue my case several times and it was to no avail. I was treated very rudely by one rep and hung up on by another but most of the reps were very nice. I finally got my my case escalated to corporate office and was told sorry there are no exceptions to be made if it passed a pressure test at Sony. I will never buy anything Sony again that's how frustrated the whole process made me.
Well, I guess I'll stop bothering to call support then. I argued my case with the front line personnel, and they said they'd have a supervisor call me back within 48 hours...last Friday. Haven't heard a peep. I would hate to swear off Sony devices after this, because other than the lack of water resistance, I liked the phone very much.
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Well, I guess I'll stop bothering to call support then. I argued my case with the front line personnel, and they said they'd have a supervisor call me back within 48 hours...last Friday. Haven't heard a peep. I would hate to swear off Sony devices after this, because other than the lack of water resistance, I liked the phone very much.
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Just saying again, my phone never had waterproof problems. It's really Verizon who you should contact to get something done.
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You're wrong.
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You're wrong.
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That's cool. Just blatantly say "you're wrong" without any evidence to back it up. It's your money, your choice.
Update on ruined phone
So I contacted Sony and explained to them that my phone's screen was unresponsive and registering Phantom touches. Ileft out that it had been in water, I just told them that the camera had been overheating a lot. The guy on the phone accessed it and had me run the hard reboot. He said he could see that it was trying to run files in the background, but nothing was happening. Since my phone was under the one year warranty, he said it was covered and I was mailed a replacement. I was pretty surprised and impressed by customer service. Just remember to be kind and explain everything youve done to address the issues ( soft and hard reboots, system restore, played in the configuration menu). I'm not surprised to see Sony reverse their stance on waterproofing, but I am very disappointed.
Yeah, you're wrong. You have no idea what you're talking about, lol.
Did you even read my original post, or do you just troll around for ways to massage your ego on Internet forums?
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Yeah, you're wrong. You have no idea what you're talking about, lol.
Did you even read my original post, or do you just troll around for ways to massage your ego on Internet forums?
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Yeah, I did read it and I was trying to direct you to Verizon since you have no better access to a replacement than them. If that doesn't workout, you may as well just purchase one from eBay since prices of the Z3v are driven down pretty low now in expectation of what's supposed to be the successor's release.
If you don't want my help, that's fine. I've done my fair share on this topic and I've been able to help plenty of others in development as well as achieving root first on a ROM that is still unannounced on its official release.
Good day and good luck finding a solution.
It sounds as though you still haven't read my original post.
Verizon would not do anything for me since I do not have insurance on the phone. Sony inspected it and would not honor the warranty because the board had corrosion on it and the phone tested airtight.
So why are you still here? Also what do you expect us to do, more then the advice that was given? You didn't have insurance , the claim has been denied. Time to take personal responsibility for not having insurance, you have run out of options.
I had something of a similar issue but with a good ending. For a few weeks my charge cover wouldn't close right all of the time because the seal came partly undone from but I could sometimes get it back in flush. One day at work I guess it just wasn't the case because after about a minute in the bottom of a pool, it turned off. Never had water proof issues before( in the shower, other times in the pool, fish petting tank). It took a full 15 business days at there facility in Texas but they replaced the phone so I guess the guys there couldn't get the flap to seal either for the pressure test.
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Hello my friends!
I haven't been posting on XDA for quite a long time but I thought I had to share this with you. About a year ago, I bought a OnePlus One and I was happy with the device itself and CM 11 and 12 as well. However, this summer in July, the microphones of my OPO stopped working during calls.
I started to do some research and found a few threads on the OnePlus forum and on XDA from users complaining about the same problem. The microphone suddenly stopped to work during calls and the person on the other phone could not hear anything. The only workaround is to switch to speaker mode. Some other users also posted workarounds and potential fixes for the well-known issue. I tried all of them but none of them worked. Here are links to some of the threads I am referring to:
OnePlus Forum
XDA
reddit
So as you can see, this is quite a common problem and therefore probably known by OnePlus. Since none of the mentioned fixes helped
and flashing different ROMS did not improve anything I started to get in touch with the OnePlus customer support. Before owning the OPO I had several HTC and Nexus devices and I already had to deal with the HTC support twice because of two hardware failures. The HTC support was surprisingly friendly and simple to deal with, so I figured, contacting the OP support would not be a big deal. I would be proven wrong in the next weeks...
I first contacted the OP support on the 16th of July. I provided them with a detailed error description, a few pics of my device with a timestamp to provide proof of ownership and the request to repair or replace my phone since it was still covered under the 1 year warranty. Shortly after, I received a reply from the support staff in which they asked me to provide a few more details (OS and Android version, CM or Oxygen, etc) which I did instantly.
Then I was forwarded to a "OnePlus tech specialist" who gave me instruction to flash a version of Oxygen OS and to run a microphone test, which of course I did as well. Like I expected, the issue did not disappear magically and I got a reply that a "OnePlus level 2 tech specialist" would have to connect himself to my PC via a secure software and try to fix my phone. They called this remote session. I had to book an appointment for this remote session.
By this time I was already getting quite angry at Oneplus, since it seemed like they were ignoring my actual issue and my request for a warranty covered replacement or repair. I told them that I did not expect that this remote session would help, since I was quite sure that it was a hardware fault. However, they insisted that I had to book this remote session, which turned out to be quite difficult. There were no free slots for the next two weeks. Luckily a slot was suddenly available in the next week when I checked the booking reservations for the tenth time and I managed to book it. Since the time slot was 11AM I had to take half a day off my work to make it to the appointment. A few minutes before the session should have started; I got an email from support to download the necessary software for the session, which turned out to be Teamviewer! I thought this was a bad joke. Teamviewer was their idea of a secure remote session software. I downloaded it anyways (what other choice did I have?) and waited for the level 2 tech. And I waited. After half an hour I wrote to the support that no one showed up yet although my time slot was already almost over. After almost 30 more minutes the tech finally connected herself to my PC. I told her, that she was not allowed to do anything on my PC without my permission since there was confidential data of my clients stored on the PC, to which she agreed to. The session however was a pure joke. After installing some Qualcomm drivers and rebooting my PC and plugging in and out my device about 100 times, she said that my device was indeed broken and that I would now be forwarded to the RMA department.
Almost three weeks, many pointless arguments with the support and this joke of a remote session, after I started contacting the support, I was finally granted an RMA repair/replacement. I thought that it would now finally be over and I would get back a new or repaired device. WRONG. But more to that later.
I got instructions to prepare the package to ship it to the 1+ repair center in the UK. I was told I would have to fill out an online form for DHL since they would come to my house and pick up my device. I filled out the form and was expecting a phone call to fix a time where they would come by as promised by 1+ and DHL. Well, I was at work on a Monday morning and suddenly without a phone call or any notification, a DHL delivery guy showed up at my house. Luckily someone was at home who gave him the package. However, the DHL guy asked for an address, which the person at home did not know, so they called me. Now I had to explain to the guy that I had no idea what the address was because I never got one from 1+. They said that DHL would have the address. So after around half an hour, I was notified that the DHL guy took the parcel with him after with him after he got a call from DHL who said that they knew the address.
The next day, the same DHL guy showed up at my house again (again w/o calling) because he got another order to pick up my phone which he did already yesterday...
After around a week of silence, I was notified from support that they received my package and ran it through a first stage inspection where they detected a water damage. They told me, they would send it to a secondary inspection to verify if it is really a water damage. I could not believe that my phone really had a water damage because I am very careful with my devices and I knew that I never exposed my 1+1 to water or some sort of steam or extreme moisture in general. A few days later they sent me the second inspection report which of course confirmed the water damage and thus my warranty covered RMA was denied. I told them that this could not be possible because I couldn't imagine how my device would have gotten anywhere near water. The next weeks I was arguing with several support members (they changed their names randomly and I had no idea who would reply anymore). I was basically given 2 options: pay 213€ for a repair or pay 45€ of shipping costs to get back the defect device.
After around 3 weeks (they often ignored me for days) I was so frustrated with the company and the way they treated me that I just wanted to get back my device and hence I paid the horrifying 45€ shipping costs (UK-Austria normally costs 12-20€ for a package of this size).
During those three weeks I was doing some research about 1+ RMA denials and look what I have found:
here: reddit
and here: reddit #2
and here: reddit #3
and here(!): reddit#4
So apparently, many users got their RMA denied because of water damage although they never exposed their device to water. There seem to be two water damage indicators (little white stickers that turn red when they are in contact with water) inside the 1+1, one in the headphone jack and one at the bottom of the phone underneath the buttons. Some people were smart enough to take photos of their white indicators before shipping the device off to RMA repair and received an inspection report with a photo showing red indicators, when they got their RMA denied. So these indicators *somehow* seem to have turned red.
After finding this, I was relatively shocked. I mean, I was mad at 1+ for their incompetent customer service but I couldn't believe that so many people had the same struggle and some even have proof that they were falsely accused of being responsible for the water damage. Unfortunately, I was not clever enough to take my phone apart and take pictures of the water indicators but I cannot imagine that they were red when I shipped the device off. Unfortunately I cannot proof anything.
After talking with two lawyers, we came to the conclusion that pursuing further legal options would be very difficult, considering that the law in Hong Kong where 1+ is located is probably completely different. Furthermore it would cost too much and my chances of winning wouldn't be high since I did not have any evidence except many reports of other people with the same problems from the internet.
Now after more than 2 months of arguing with the support I decided to pay the 45€ shipping costs and I'm probably going to sell the defect device but you can be sure, that I'll never buy anything from this company again. I can't proof anything but their warranty denials seem.... shady.
Now, I really hope that you never have to deal with the 1+ customer support because it is simply horribly. They have no idea what they are talking about, they just send copy and pasted replies and often they don't read your replies at all, they ignore you for days, their procedures are extremely complicated and they deny warranties in many(!) cases without a proper reason. Sometimes even, although there is proof that says otherwise.
If you consider buying a 1+1 or 1+2, be warned because the same thing can happen to you. It happened to many people and it will probably happen again.
If you are going to ship off your device to RMA, be sure to take as many detailed, high-res photos as possible of the outside AND of the inside of the device. Be sure to check the water damage indicators and take a good picture of them. Also write today’s date and your name on a piece of paper and photograph it with your phone so that you can proof that the pictures are yours.
TL;DR
Microphone doesn’t work during calls; contacted 1+ customer support; complicated and pointless tries by 1+ to fix phone w/o RMA; after weeks: RMA granted; shipping difficulties; RMA denied because of water damage; many other users also got RMA denied because of water damage despite of proof that there was no water damage; 1+ RMA denials seem shady (see links);
Would have been better you just buying the microphone part online and replacing yourself. But sorry for your trouble and oneplus cs is trash! We all know this.
anyone have pictures with the exact locations of the op2 water damage indicators?
Weird0ne said:
anyone have pictures with the exact locations of the op2 water damage indicators?
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That would be important to know........we all can possibly use it one time..
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That would be important to know........we all can possibly use it one time..
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i mean like, i just wanted to use them as reference and see them on mine myself
Yup I agree with you. OnePlus customer service is the worst and I would never buy a phone from their company in the future. 1+2 will be my last phone from them.
OnePlus isn't the only manufacturer that does this sort of thing.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note5/general/note5-handle-water-t3211495
Can't be a faulty microphone if it works ok in speaker mode, there isn't a separate different mic for use in different modes (I would have thought).
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anyone have pictures with the exact locations of the op2 water damage indicators?
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I can't post pictures at the moment since my 1+1 is still being shipped back to me but iFixit describe the location of the one indicator at the bottom of the phone in step 15 of their teardown. The other one can be spotted with a bright light when you take a close look into the headphone jack. It rests just a few milimeters inside of the jack. I might post some images when I receive my device.
I don't know how many indicators can be found inside the 1+2 or where they are located.
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Can't be a faulty microphone if it works ok in speaker mode, there isn't a separate different mic for use in different modes (I would have thought).
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As far as I know the 1+1 has three mics. During a call (without speaker mode) the main mic is used to capture the voice while the two other mics are used to cancel out noise. When speaker mode is turned on the noise cancelling is turned off and hence only the main mic is used. At least that is how I have read it somewhere. So my guess is that one or two of the secondary mics are somehow damaged and therefore the noise cancelling cancels out too much/everything instead of just the background noise. This would explain why speaker mode works and why voice recording apps work properly as well.
I wanna bring as much attention as possible to this bad joke of a customer support , so if anyone is interested in spreading the word please do so! I already contacted serveral tech sites, let's see if they'll write something about it.
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I can't post pictures at the moment since my 1+1 is still being shipped back to me but iFixit describe the location of the one indicator at the bottom of the phone in step 15 of their teardown. The other one can be spotted with a bright light when you take a close look into the headphone jack. It rests just a few milimeters inside of the jack. I might post some images when I receive my device.
I don't know how many indicators can be found inside the 1+2 or where they are located.
As far as I know the 1+1 has three mics. During a call (without speaker mode) the main mic is used to capture the voice while the two other mics are used to cancel out noise. When speaker mode is turned on the noise cancelling is turned off and hence only the main mic is used. At least that is how I have read it somewhere. So my guess is that one or two of the secondary mics are somehow damaged and therefore the noise cancelling cancels out too much/everything instead of just the background noise. This would explain why speaker mode works and why voice recording apps work properly as well.
I wanna bring as much attention as possible to this bad joke of a customer support , so if anyone is interested in spreading the word please do so! I already contacted serveral tech sites, let's see if they'll write something about it.
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I was trying trying to find the one in the headphone jack but it's really hard to see even with a flash light. Not sure what I'm even looking for the.
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I was trying trying to find the one in the headphone jack but it's really hard to see even with a flash light. Not sure what I'm even looking for the.
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Well, you are looking for a white small sticker (or red in case it got in contact with water). If you're using a 1+2 I can't tell you for sure if it is even there.
I was also denied a legitimate rma request. A lot of friends and family members bought oneplus ones on my recommendation, so I'm pretty salty over this.
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Well, you are looking for a white small sticker (or red in case it got in contact with water). If you're using a 1+2 I can't tell you for sure if it is even there.
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The only one I found was under the back cover on bottom left screw. Not sure if there is another after disassembly.
I had the exact same issue, but i never bothered to contact oneplus about it. I just bought the board required and replaced it myself. I haven't had a warranty repair in close to 8 years.
I wonder if OnePlus customer service is reading this thread and rethinking their policies and practices? When my screen broke on my 1+1, i just sold it knowing how bad service was and went back to my Nexus5
This thread caused me to NOT buy a 1+2 when my invite finally showed up.....
I still really want one, but considering 2nd hand now knowing that we basically are on our own.
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Sold my 1+1 to buy a 1+2.
Decided to purchase the Z3 Compact to hold between them (delivery takes ages to Brazil) but now I'll probably keep the Z3.
I like the 1+1 a lot but if the brand doesn't support their customers I won't support the brand too.
Where did you purchased the board?
Zero problems with 1+1 and 1+2! Awesome phones.. (and no, not a fanboy)..
I too had the microphone problem and I also had to endure a ton of mails to support and the remote session... In the end nothing they suggested fixed it (shocker!) and I could send it in for RMA. Fortunately they sent me a new phone which I promptly sold. The whole thing took months.
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Zero problems with 1+1 and 1+2! Awesome phones.. (and no, not a fanboy)..
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What does this comment have to do with anything in this thread?? OP is saying that if you ever have a problem, this company won't give a crap. Hope your phone has a problem soon so that you know what you are dealing with.
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No damage, stopped turning on, they already want me to pay shipping costs to and from them. So I fully expect their ****ty customer support to try and charge me since they already have tried to screw me once before by charging me four times for the initial purchase price upon ordering the phone.
Does anyone know what their service charge is to replace a screen? Has anyone gone through their BS circus acts?
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No damage, stopped turning on, they already want me to pay shipping costs to and from them. So I fully expect their ****ty customer support to try and charge me since they already have tried to screw me once before by charging me four times for the initial purchase price upon ordering the phone.
Does anyone know what their service charge is to replace a screen? Has anyone gone through their BS circus acts?
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Where did you buy the phone from? Did they really try to charge you nearly $5000 for the phone?
I've gone through Asus RMA over the years, maybe the particular repair centre closest to me happens to be great but I've never had major issues with them. A laptop repaired in under 2 weeks, handful of motherboards, most of the time free or reasonably priced. If the device was under warranty they just accepted it. Never had to pay shipping though since its not too far from me.
If the screen is just defective then it should be covered by warranty as that would be a manufacturer caused issue. Your total cost should be whatever it costs to ship to the repair centre, and thats it.
let us know how the saga plays out! Good luck!
Yes they did try to charge me 5k for it, and I ended up paying around 600 dollars in overdrafts and returned payment fees for all of my bills. My bank said it's Asus's fault, and guess what Asus said? "Our system doesn't make mistakes, it's a problem with your bank."
I've had absolutely dreadful results in the past with their turnaround time, and they've sent back a GPU and motherboard that were "fixed" but not really. I'm predicting to be told I have to pay around 500 to have it replaced somehow. And to be honest I may be done with them as a company for life, I've had about all I can stand at this point.
Which country are you in? They should fix it for free under warranty.
Just a quick update, it took them this long to get back to me. I received two extremely low resolution pictures showing very tiny surface scratches to the frame and the glass on the top left corner which would be from car keys.
Apparently that voids warranty and they want a suspicious $500 even to replace the entire OLED and glass assembly. As I expected a crock of BS from this company I'm not entirely surprised. What a joke though, $500 for an undamaged screen? Who's their drug dealer?
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Just a quick update, it took them this long to get back to me. I received two extremely low resolution pictures showing very tiny surface scratches to the frame and the glass on the top left corner which would be from car keys.
Apparently that voids warranty and they want a suspicious $500 even to replace the entire OLED and glass assembly. As I expected a crock of BS from this company I'm not entirely surprised. What a joke though, $500 for an undamaged screen? Who's their drug dealer?
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Unfortunately I had to deal with a similar issue with HTC for a defective camera module. Factory defect. If it comes broken from the factory its on them to replace of fix it. Legally. The warranty is an agreement IE a contract. Even the 90 day warranties.
I had to threaten and start the process of a lawsuit, and of company no company like that would want to lawyer up for such a small sum. The next day I got a reply from them saying they would cover everything, and I eventually got my phone fixed.
Ive had a similar issues like that with Corsair and Gigabyte. It happens all the time. No one wants to take responsibility for anything, and sometimes you gotta force em haha.
After previous experiences, they're not going to budge. They don't even have this phone in their system to FILE for an RMA, that took an hour phone call to begin with. I'm just never going to buy from them again, they're ****ing garbage when it comes to treating their customers right. I never got the $600 plus dollars in overdrafts out of them for their system charging me repeatedly for the order either, even after my bank concluded it WAS their fault.
I will however be throwing my story up on every social media post of their for the rest of 2019.
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After previous experiences, they're not going to budge. They don't even have this phone in their system to FILE for an RMA, that took an hour phone call to begin with. I'm just never going to buy from them again, they're ****ing garbage when it comes to treating their customers right. I never got the $600 plus dollars in overdrafts out of them for their system charging me repeatedly for the order either, even after my bank concluded it WAS their fault.
I will however be throwing my story up on every social media post of their for the rest of 2019.
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If someone is proven to owe you money you have legal precedent to collect it. They know this. They also know a lot of people wont go through the hassle of trying to collect their money. So does LG, HTC, Samsung, OnePlus, etc and they will all try to hold on to that money if possible. Usually thats as simple as not responding to the customer. Its easy when you dont have a storefront. Only really Apple does (AFAIK), which makes it easier to argue with them and get what you should be getting.
Feel free to **** talk them for the year, but personally I feel like one post in an easy to see place is good enough. May as well put that extra effort tightening the vice on them. its not impossible. And its yours.
I hope everything works out for you bro, best of luck!
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No damage, stopped turning on, they already want me to pay shipping costs to and from them. So I fully expect their ****ty customer support to try and charge me since they already have tried to screw me once before by charging me four times for the initial purchase price upon ordering the phone.
Does anyone know what their service charge is to replace a screen? Has anyone gone through their BS circus acts?
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Hi there, got the same. Pulled out of pocket - black screen (later started to blink and bootloop)
so, as i recall i've seen a "scratch" nearby the left airtrigger area. later on i couldn't find it so i just forgot about it (thought when i'm going to put on some glass protection i wount be able to see it at all)
but, it appears that "scratch" was an amoled matrix crack... because when it all went black and then white - i can clearly see that crack is in this area. the phone itself is undamaged, not a single scratch, and there is NO WAY i could apply such a pressure to pass through glass and damage te amoled (seen JerryRig bend test?)
so far waiting for the shop to answer about would they exchange phone or not -_-
idk, at last - when a phone is designed to have a pressure applied (airtriggers) how come it cracks?....