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I was just thinking about something. Is it really a fair comparison between an asynchronous dual core and a conventional dual core such as the Tegra or the OMAP4? We all know how everyone loves to compare benchmarks on phones. Also, we all know that the 3d does horrible on Quadrant scores. Is this because of the type of cpu we have? If it is... Is it really fair to even try to compare them?
My thinking is that, if both of our cores ran at the same speed all of the time, our cpu would dominate everything on benchmarks. Am I wrong in thinking that? Is there any way we would truly know?
Ps. Hope this isn't dumb thinking. If it is, please just state why and move on. I am NOT trying to start any flame war or troll thread. This is a 100% completely sincere question.
Thanks in advance!
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Benchmark scores mean **** anyways. I don't know why people insist on using them. If the phone runs well, it runs well
Tad slower mostly because its based on a similar ARM cortex A8 design. Those other ones, like galaxy s2 or other SOC's are based on the newer cortex A9 designs. Been analyzed several times over anandtech or other sites. Besides those benchmarks are not dual core at all. So we are apples to apples. Difference is in designs. If you compare two cpus clocked at same speeds (snapdragon/A8 vs A9) A9 will come ahead.
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I understand that benchmarks don't mean anything. I just want to know if the fact that our cpu is asynchronous had anything to do with the exceptionally low scores compared to other devices.
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I'd chalk it up to the fact that the most recent OMAP and Exynos are based on A9 while our scorpion cores are heavily modified A8 designs by qualcomm.
Ours are in between A8 and A9.
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I briefly und understand the difference between A9 and A8 based chips but I personally think the current snapdragon in the shooter (msm8660?) is a much superior chip then the tegra 2. I got tiered of my og evo so I bought the shooter off contract from a buddy for cheap and plan to get the nexus prime which I belive will land at sprint before January (contract up). The rumors are that will use OMAP 4660 clocked at 1.5. Just rumors I know. But how will that compare to the snapdragon in terms of speed and battery?
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ROM synergy 318 OC 1.8 (2.3.3 base) literally SMOKED the sgs2, was hitting 4000+ with quadrant advanced, but yeah, scores mean nothing. We should have OC again soon, and get nice shiny scores again.
From what I have been reading, A8, A9, v6, v7 or whatever there is now doesn't really equate to any performance gains. The companies license from ARM or they can create their own SoC based on ARM, so its kind of like saying there's an Intel Core 2 Duo and then a AMD Athlon X2, but they are both based on x86 architecture. There's a lot of confusion regarding the whole A8 A9 terminology, so honestly, I don't think it matters much what ARM revision or whatever our SoC is using in the Evo 3D.
What I would really like to know is if the Asynchronous part of it is making a difference in the scores. Does anyone know this? That is the biggest question I have.
Hard to really say which processor is more powerful; but at this stage in smartphones all the dual cores seem to be powerful enough to where it doesn't matter. Asynchronous vs the other guys may be a different story though. Asynchronous cores means each core can be at a different clock speed, so when we get the next version to android (in October or November) and we get to take full advantage of dual core support we may have significantly better battery life than them.
So to elaborate on what you want i guess: Asynchronous cores has nothing to do with the benchmarks because these benchmarks are only running one core anyway (i'm pretty sure).
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Hard to really say which processor is more powerful; but at this stage in smartphones all the dual cores seem to be powerful enough to where it doesn't matter. Asynchronous vs the other guys may be a different story though. Asynchronous cores means each core can be at a different clock speed, so when we get the next version to android (in October or November) and we get to take full advantage of dual core support we may have significantly better battery life than them.
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Ok. Now, what about performance wise? Will we be at an advantage or disadvantage?
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Ok. Now, what about performance wise? Will we be at an advantage or disadvantage?
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Check this out if you are worried about performance. I think this pretty much sums up how powerful the new snapdragon chipset
http://www.qualcomm.com/blog/2011/04/27/next-gen-snapdragon-dual-core-mdp
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What I would really like to know is if the Asynchronous part of it is making a difference in the scores. Does anyone know this? That is the biggest question I have.
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Depends... If you are benchmarking with a non multithreaded app like quadrant, it doesn't matter as you're running on a single core on both. A9 will be faster. And if you're running a multithreaded benchmark that fully uses both cores then the "asynchronous" thing goes out of play as you're using both cores on both devices.
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ROM synergy 318 OC 1.8 (2.3.3 base) literally SMOKED the sgs2, was hitting 4000+ with quadrant advanced, but yeah, scores mean nothing. We should have OC again soon, and get nice shiny scores again.
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Well, then if you overclock an A9 to 1.8 ghz you're back to square one and A9 is still faster. I think Qualcomm has already announced their roadmap and a A9 killer is on its way. I think its a quad core with adreno 3xx (will also have dual core with updated architecture to beat A9, but then ARM is coming up with the A15 Hahaha, the never ending race)
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From what I have been reading, A8, A9, v6, v7 or whatever there is now doesn't really equate to any performance gains. The companies license from ARM or they can create their own SoC based on ARM, so its kind of like saying there's an Intel Core 2 Duo and then a AMD Athlon X2, but they are both based on x86 architecture. There's a lot of confusion regarding the whole A8 A9 terminology, so honestly, I don't think it matters much what ARM revision or whatever our SoC is using in the Evo 3D.
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Yes it matters, like your comparison, each chip has new sets of instructions, pipelines and optimization. Clock for clock, and like other guy said our snapdragons are between an A8 and A9 and the A9 is simply faster. Ours is an older architecture. By no means a slouch, but its the truth.
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Yes it matters, like your comparison, each chip has new sets of instructions, pipelines and optimization. Clock for clock, and like other guy said our snapdragons are between an A8 and A9 and the A9 is simply faster. Ours is an older architecture. By no means a slouch, but its the truth.
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See, here's the thing. Qualcomm doesn't just go stock ARM architecture. They licensed the technology and made their own snapdragon chipset. Is the snapdragon chipset family old? Yes, it has been around for a while. Is the chipset that is in the Evo 3D old? Not really. It was just developed by Qualcomm relatively recently and expands on their existing, proven QSD chipset. This is like comparing apples to oranges, they are just two different SoCs. If you were to take an absolutely stock ARMv9 and put it against an absolutely stock ARMv7/8, then yes, the ARMv9 obviously is going to win, but these companies try and market that their CPUs are one version higher than others, when in all reality, they modify the hell out of the ARM architecture to make their chipsets.
sn0b0ard said:
Check this out if you are worried about performance. I think this pretty much sums up how powerful the new snapdragon chipset
http://www.qualcomm.com/blog/2011/04/27/next-gen-snapdragon-dual-core-mdp
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Totally off topic Sorrrry!!!
Just followed the link above and WOW!! how can we con Qualcom into giving us a copy of that home launcher they use with the live wallpaper as well..HMMMMM
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Well, then if you overclock an A9 to 1.8 ghz you're back to square one and A9 is still faster. I think Qualcomm has already announced their roadmap and a A9 killer is on its way. I think its a quad core with adreno 3xx (will also have dual core with updated architecture to beat A9, but then ARM is coming up with the A15 Hahaha, the never ending race)
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It is much harder to push a A9 based SOC to 1.8 Ghz compared to the A8 based MSM8660. Clock per clock, A9 will be faster. The A9 has greater IPC and a shorter pipeline, but this also prevents the A9 from running at as high frequencies as an A8 based SOC. How many 1.8 Ghz Exynos chips do you see? In some regards the MSM8660 clearly beats some A9 based SOCs like the Tegra 2 which even lacks hardware support for NEON instructions. Snapdragons have also always traditionally had high floating point performance too.
Also there is no competition between Qualcomm and ARM. Qualcomm simply licenses designs from ARM and then customizes them for its own needs.
Does anyone else notice that the graphics in games on the S3 really suck?!! I have played Homerun 3D on my Nexus and it looked great but on the S3, it's pixilated and doesn't look so good. Does anyone else notice the same issue with games you play? Is there anything we can do (I suspect not)? All this RAM is great and all but I'd like a better graphical experience when playing games on this beast.
Any other graphic issues...post then here and share. :good:
Well the short answer is for high end mobile gaming you don't have the strongest phone available. The GPU in the US version that is included in the Qualcomm S4 Krait is the Adreno 225. It is no slouch but the Mali 400 which is included in the International S3 is stronger overall.
My question to you(anyone reading) is Should we expect every top end phone to perform admirably in games by default?
I would like to think not. That is a category for devices such as Playstation Vita and Nintendo DSi.
From the reviews I have seen online though there was no perceivable difference between the US and International GSIII when playing games, but of course there will be some games that use the hardware differently and will exploit potential bottlenecks. Synthetic benchmarks will also favor the raw horsepower of the International variant at times, other times not so much. Anything heavily relying on the GPU will favor the International variant.
Remember this device is brand spanking new and running early code. There are many many months of updates and improvements to come. The truth is by most accounts (other than biased fanboys who will no doubt jump on this) with the newer A15 based architecture Krait CPU, 2GB of ram and LTE, you got the better long term solution in a handset compared to the older A9 based Exynos in the International variant. Your handset in my humble opinion but based on the actual hardware capability will perform better a year from now for instance that the International, in things other than gaming.
Bottom Line:
If playing games on your phone is really important to you, you may want to consider trading for a different device.
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Well the short answer is for high end mobile gaming you don't have the strongest phone available. The GPU in the US version that is included in the Qualcomm S4 Krait is the Adreno 225. It is no slouch but the Mali 400 which is included in the International S3 is stronger overall.
My question to you(anyone reading) is Should we expect every top end phone to perform admirably in games by default?
I would like to think not. That is a category for devices such as Playstation Vita and Nintendo DSi.
From the reviews I have seen online though there was no perceivable difference between the US and International GSIII when playing games, but of course there will be some games that use the hardware differently and will exploit potential bottlenecks. Synthetic benchmarks will also favor the raw horsepower of the International variant at times, other times not so much. Anything heavily relying on the GPU will favor the International variant.
Remember this device is brand spanking new and running early code. There are many many months of updates and improvements to come. The truth is by most accounts (other than biased fanboys who will no doubt jump on this) with the newer A15 based architecture Krait CPU, 2GB of ram and LTE, you got the better long term solution in a handset compared to the older A9 based Exynos in the International variant. Your handset in my humble opinion but based on the actual hardware capability will perform better a year from now for instance that the International, in things other than gaming.
Bottom Line:
If playing games on your phone is really important to you, you may want to consider trading for a different device.
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How is this relevant to his comparison? First off yes the adreno 225 isn't the top dog but it DESTROYS the gpu in the omap 4460.
As far as the ops question - email the developer to see if your device is supported yet. The S3 is brand new and not every device is supported yet. The omap 4 series was hugely popular so most games support it very nicely. The snapdragon s4 chip has won ton of NA design wins so with in a month or so you should see great support.
For the love of god.... Let the gpu comparison go. Mali is better but adreno is still faster than any other chip set out there (not sure about new ipad)
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benefit14snake said:
How is this relevant to his comparison? First off yes the adreno 225 isn't the top dog but it DESTROYS the gpu in the omap 4460.
As far as the ops question - email the developer to see if your device is supported yet. The S3 is brand new and not every device is supported yet. The omap 4 series was hugely popular so most games support it very nicely. The snapdragon s4 chip has won ton of NA design wins so with in a month or so you should see great support.
For the love of god.... Let the gpu comparison go. Mali is better but adreno is still faster than any other chip set out there (not sure about new ipad)
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What????
I gave a very relevant example of a comparative device that would perform better in games. That's how it's relevant, more relevant that comparing it to the OMAP 4460. He would probably like to have better gaming performance but still have the things he likes about his current phone....the International GSIII with the Mali400 GPU is the best pick to fit that bill.
I don't understand your confusion or your obvious angst. Everything said was comprehensively on topic and constructive.
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What????
I gave a very relevant example of a comparative device that would perform better in games. That's how it's relevant.
I don't understand your confusion or your obvious angst. Everything said was comprehensively on topic and constructive.
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The comparison of the Mali gpu and adreno has nothing to do with his problem. This issue has been beat to death over and over again. If he is having issues it isn't because his gpu can not handle it. It's because either the app hasn't been updated. Or maybe he changed his build prop (some roms do this) and the app is taking it out of native resolution.
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The comparison of the Mali gpu and adreno has nothing to do with his problem. This issue has been beat to death over and over again. If he is having issues it isn't because his gpu can not handle it. It's because either the app hasn't been updated. Or maybe he changed his build prop (some roms do this) and the app is taking it out of native resolution.
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Well in my original post I also mentioned the fact that these devices are running early code and updates could improve performance.....I don't understand why giving him the next best option, and the reasons why is such a big deal.
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Well in my original post I also mentioned the fact that these devices are running early code and updates could improve performance.....I don't understand why giving him the next best option, and the reasons why is such a big deal.
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I'm not going to turn this into a flame war.
Op - check with the developer if stock and await a response. If you are running a rom check within the rom developers original post to see if there were build prop changes, and if so go back to stock (if this game is important to you)
You can also try a reinstall as it looks like the game may only look at the build prop on the original run. I installed it myself and it looked good but I also didn't compare it to a nexus.
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I have HomeRunBattle3D on my stock GS3 and it bats it out of the park!
(sorry)
I realize I didn't by a gaming device but I just thought that the graphics would at least be on par with the Nexus. Thank you for pointing out about the updates and such, I forgot about that. Maybe developers will optimize some of their apps for the S3 the more popular it gets.
I attached a screenshot from my phone of the game I was playing. Look at the skyline and the pixelisation. That is what I was talking about. It's kinda choppy when you hit a home run...not as smooth like it was on Nexus. All in all though...no big deal really. I just wondered why it was like that is all. Great discussion though!! Thank you!! :good:
I get a snag here and there with every game I play.
Hey
I just noticed that crapple released it's new iphone 5 yesterday. That phone has the exynos 5 chip?! The s3 has the exynos 4...
Why does samsung give a better chip to its rival? What is the difference of the 4 and 5 chip?
Confused...
Fenrisulven_ said:
Hey
What is the difference of the 4 and 5 chip?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exynos
iphone doesnt have exynos,it has their own modified A6 chipset. exynos is built by samsung.
f3n0m3no said:
iphone doesnt have exynos,it has their own modified A6 chipset. exynos is built by samsung.
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So the A15 dual core architecture with mali T-604 gpu doesent have anything with samsung to do? Does the A6 chipset include T-604?
Fenrisulven_ said:
So the A15 dual core architecture with mali T-604 gpu doesent have anything with samsung to do? Does the A6 chipset include T-604?
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no, is PowerVR SGX
f3n0m3no said:
iphone doesnt have exynos,it has their own modified A6 chipset. exynos is built by samsung.
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no, is PowerVR SGX
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yes it is exynos but the reason why they are so secretive is that A6 is actually a dualcore exynos but with a quadcore gpu
the GPU is slightly more powerfull
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exynos
Exynos 5 Dual[19]
(previously Exynos 5250[20]) 32 nm HKMG ARMv7 1.7 GHz Dual-core ARM Cortex-A15 ARM Mali-T604 (Quad-core)[21] 32-bit Dual-channel 800 MHz LPDDR3/DDR3 or 533 MHz LPDDR2 Q2 2012[20] iPhone 5 (lower clock speed)
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What where does it say exynos and apple iphone 5??
Edit http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_5
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see my post, iphone 5 uses soc build by samsung on the arm cortex-a15 instruction set
the a6 cpu is exactly a exynos 5 with a lower clock speed
samsung have built most of the cpu chipsets for iphone
Rastaman-FB said:
see my post, iphone 5 uses soc build by samsung on the arm cortex-a15 instruction set
the a6 cpu is exactly a exynos 5 with a lower clock speed
samsung have built most of the cpu chipsets for iphone
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I am getting sick of all this speculation when they dont even know for sure...I have came from a site which says Iphone 5 has the New A15 Arm Processor. You want to know how they worked it out? Well because at the event they said it will be 2X faster.. THATS IT. That is how they guessed it. They even admitted and said its just a guess!!! THen I read comments from people and they even said they could of just clocked it at a higher speed which then in theory is 2X faster.. No one knows for sure yet Apple is secretive. I beleive if apple has the fastest chip in a phone I dont know why they will be so secretive. I would advertise it but who knows. So no know one knows if apple has exynos 5 stop playing chinese wispers
Look how bull**** this is see the wikipedia which to me is probably bull**** now have a look at this site
http://nvonews.com/2012/09/13/hands-on-with-iphone-5-release-specs-price-pictures/
so whos correct?? loool no one knows what it is yet
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I am getting sick of all this speculation when they dont even know for sure...I have came from a site which says Iphone 5 has the New A15 Arm Processor. You want to know how they worked it out? Well because at the event they said it will be 2X faster.. THATS IT. That is how they guessed it. They even admitted and said its just a guess!!! THen I read comments from people and they even said they could of just clocked it at a higher speed which then in theory is 2X faster.. No one knows for sure yet Apple is secretive. I beleive if apple has the fastest chip in a phone I dont know why they will be so secretive. I would advertise it but who knows. So no know one knows if apple has exynos 5 stop playing chinese wispers
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I agree
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sir, im sick of people like you who get there knickers in a twist when there are certain people in the industry that know these things
if that information provided on wiki was false then apple and samsung would immediately have it removed and the content ommited due to on going legal implications.
it is known by the industry that the Ax cpus are built by samsung, apple have intentionally avoided mentioning its a dualcore cpu as people dont like that sound and are marketing it as a quadcore gpu (the a5x was also quad gpu)
this isnt chinese whispers. sort out your attitude and come back with some valid and correct information.
What we do not know is performance, the new generation dual core could out perform the quadcore in many ways due to the new instruction set. the gpu is certainly improved but we have no realtime tests or bench marks to go on.
dual/quad certainly doesnt mean better
Btw the dual core a15 is 40% faster ( at core) respect the a9 with very minor power consumption
So is like a quad core a9 in performance ( global)
at the end s3 and iphone5 are equivalent in power ( cpu, gpu is better the iphone one) and batteru life ( 1500mah vs 2100 mah considering the a15 lower power cons )
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sir, im sick of people like you who get there knickers in a twist when there are certain people in the industry that know these things
if that information provided on wiki was false then apple and samsung would immediately have it removed and the content ommited due to on going legal implications.
it is known by the industry that the Ax cpus are built by samsung, apple have intentionally avoided mentioning its a dualcore cpu as people dont like that sound and are marketing it as a quadcore gpu (the a5x was also quad gpu)
this isnt chinese whispers. sort out your attitude and come back with some valid and correct information.
What we do not know is performance, the new generation dual core could out perform the quadcore in many ways due to the new instruction set. the gpu is certainly improved but we have no realtime tests or bench marks to go on.
dual/quad certainly doesnt mean better
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What a JOKER I know that samsung builds these chips. Your telling me if there is false information on the net Apple will take it down Immediatley ROFL. Bro you have had it thats all I can say.
Have you seen the Iphone 5 and played with it and diagnosed it? Why One site says 1Ghz Dual and another says 1.2Ghz Dual? Your telling me that this chip is both ? WHY hasnt apple shut down the sites?????? Im sick of people like you that think they know it all !!!!! If one site claims something then another site can copy the specs of that site and put it on you dont think thats possibe???
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6279/apples-iphone-5-uses-a6-soc-arm-cortex-a15s-inside
here is a site which claims it the A15 note what they say
Apple just announced the A6 SoC powering the new iPhone 5 features 2x faster CPU and GPU performance compared to the iPhone 4S. Apple reserves major Ax SoC number iterations for architecture changes, combine that with the performance claims as well as some other stuff we've heard offline and there's one conclusion: the iPhone 5 uses ARM Cortex A15 cores inside
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iphone doesnt have exynos,it has their own modified A6 chipset. exynos is built by samsung.
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base from phonearena is stated made by samsung
and is exynos
http://t.co/cKqKS3T2
http://translate.google.com/transla...ebutto-il-28-settembre-in-italia-su-iphone-5/
Rastaman-FB said:
yes it is exynos but the reason why they are so secretive is that A6 is actually a dualcore exynos but with a quadcore gpu
the GPU is slightly more powerfull
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exynos
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Stop talking **** for crying out loud.
Propagating complete rubbish all over the internet.
A6 will have been developed in house at Apple and fabbed by Samsung on a 32nm process. No one knows for sure if its A9 or A15 cores inside.
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What a JOKER I know that samsung builds these chips. Your telling me if there is false information on the net Apple will take it down Immediatley ROFL. Bro you have had it thats all I can say.
Have you seen the Iphone 5 and played with it and diagnosed it? Why One site says 1Ghz Dual and another says 1.2Ghz Dual? Your telling me that this chip is both ? WHY hasnt apple shut down the sites?????? Im sick of people like you that think they know it all !!!!! If one site claims something then another site can copy the specs of that site and put it on you dont think thats possibe???
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hahahaha you make me laugh, shutting down a site is different to getting data from wikipedia ommited as wiki whilst sometimes incorrect gets corrected due to it providing logical and correct indexes of valid information
as for me personally, you dont know who i am and what i know.
apple do often get stuff taken down that they can have controll of, wikipedia is one of them
well see wont we. when the handset is released and someone takes it apart its only a matter of time, then i will come back here and laugh at you for being an idiot.
calm down, get a glass of water. if you dont want to read about this stuff then dont click on a link that is clearly talking about it.
or have you come here just to be an argumentative moron
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Stop talking **** for crying out loud.
Propagating complete rubbish all over the internet.
A6 will have been developed in house at Apple and fabbed by Samsung on a 32nm process. No one knows for sure if its A9 or A15 cores inside.
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really? you know this do you? and you are telling me to stop talking **** when ive only mentioned it here however you come out with a new bold statement? hypocrisy
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hahahaha you make me laugh, shutting down a site is different to getting data from wikipedia ommited as wiki whilst sometimes incorrect gets corrected due to it providing logical and correct indexes of valid information
as for me personally, you dont know who i am and what i know.
Apple do often get stuff taken down that they can have controll of, wikipedia is one of them
well see wont we. When the handset is released and someone takes it apart its only a matter of time, then i will come back here and laugh at you for being an idiot.
Calm down, get a glass of water. If you dont want to read about this stuff then dont click on a link that is clearly talking about it.
Or have you come here just to be an argumentative moron
really? You know this do you? And you are telling me to stop talking **** when ive only mentioned it here however you come out with a new bold statement? Hypocrisy
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hahhaha i cant wait to see you laughing at yourself because no where did i say apple does not have a15 i said no one knows forsure. And people are guessing. So yes lets wait for the 100% truth which means it wont be speculation BUT 100% fact
Dude!...it's simple..! Logic...if iPhone 5's processor was faster than the one in s3...they would've marketed it like hell!..but they didn't....
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Dude!...it's simple..! Logic...if iPhone 5's processor was faster than the one in s3...they would've marketed it like hell!..but they didn't....
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thats no wholly true
if it is indeed an exynos 5 and i trust the sources, then it could be as powerful as a exynos4 quad on day to day tasks and single threaded tasks
apple are not stupid, if they came out and said openly that its dual core then people would not look at the bigger picture and s3 users who do not know the inner workings of the instruction sets would be like "HAHAHAHAHAHA I5 ONLY DUAL CORE" when infact it doesnt mean much.
remember when an e8400 dual core could kick the ass of a q6800 extreme?
similar thing could well happen here, no one has seen how a exynos4quad benches against a exynos5 dual
I've seen minimal amount of root guides, and some of them I don't really trust because I can't check whether they're valid or not. Main reason though is once rpoted, how can I overclock the processor to above the standard 1.7ghz? I've seen apps for it but once again, fake? Real? I don't know. Any help would be hugely appreciated
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Can't speak for overclocking as I haven't done it but I rooted my x+ using hasoon's toolkit.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1994961
Worked great for me with no probs. There's a guide in one of the sections too.
Hope this helps.
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Hasoons toolkit is fantastic for rooting beginners. I also used it and it made everything for me?
Why would you overclock a 1.7 ghz quadcore smartphone. While gaming it already gets so hot that i could make a nice breakfast on it
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Why on earth would you want to overclock a 1.7ghz quad core phone? More to the point. Unless you live in the North Pole, your gunna fry your phone, or atleast accelerate the degradation of the SOC through excessive heat.
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First of all: there are several threads called guides and stickies with anything you would need to know. Secondly I really don't understand how you can put distrust into official guides and then try to get some random users who might or might not have any reputation to tell you what to do and how to do it. No offence, just out of curiosity
And lastly: at the moment there is no official way nor any sort of reason to overclock an 1.7 GHz quad core on a mobile device. Are you having it connected to a wall charger all the time while attached to an active cooling solution? If not there is absolutely no point to it.
But what you can do is have the full GPU clock of 620mhz set as max when running elite or blade kernel. With second one you can also make use of undervolting and enable full speed on all cores (1.7 ghz is only available in single core mode for stock kernel) Just read a bit and you will see there are still lots of ways to tweak your system. But one last question:
why do you want to oc? Not enough performance or want better benchmark scores?
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I've seen minimal amount of root guides, and some of them I don't really trust because I can't check whether they're valid or not. Main reason though is once rpoted, how can I overclock the processor to above the standard 1.7ghz? I've seen apps for it but once again, fake? Real? I don't know. Any help would be hugely appreciated
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If your talking about the AT&T U.S. Model there currently is no overclock capabilities, we are working diligently to resolve this issue. there is the beastmode custom kernel source but you will need to build your own kernel from it it does give some performance enhancements and s2w but no overclocking.
as far as the one member asking why you would want to OC a 1.7ghz i might point out that that question was asked frequently over the years almost from the beginning of custom roms. the answer is simple, "Because we can"
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Why on earth would you want to overclock a 1.7ghz quad core phone? More to the point. Unless you live in the North Pole, your gunna fry your phone, or atleast accelerate the degradation of the SOC through excessive heat.
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I might point out that every chip mfg. underrates their processor capabilities, (some more than others). also if you check the stats you'll see that there is a user cap of 1.3ghz (at least on the ATT Model) so to an extent overclocking would allow us to run the processor at the stated 1.7ghz rather than have it hobbled at 1.3 currently the only time your processor will ever exceed the 1.3 is under extremely heavy load and then only for a very short period of time. enabling OC will give the user the ability to at 1.7 or even marginally above that for more extended periods of time.
OC'ing a processor does not necesarily mean running at top speed continuously rather giving a range from minimum (which is 51mhz) to a maximum which could be 1.7 or above, the system will still decide the best frequency to run at based on several factors including but not limited to voltage, governors, mpdecision etc.
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If i underclock my phone would iti fluence the battery in a positive way
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Yes it would. And right there really is a point to enabling 4*1,7ghz, but that really is something that would be used with caution. You drain your battery pretty fast and you will likely heat up your phone to the point it throttles down. Yes it is nice to have it peak at all cores 1.7 GHz every now and then rather then 1.7ghz single core mode but that shouldn't be regarded as overclocking. The international version already can have single cores running at 1.7 and surely it should be possible at least on some devices to go even higher but that again would cause even more heat and drain battery like hell.
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So on my thread for the Nexus 6P bootloop fix, @btvolta asked me this question:
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I am still on the previous modified ex kernel and my phone seems to run just the same as before my blod experience. How many cores are normally running if not for the blod issue?
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He had a good question, as many other people were reporting that the 6P was running almost the same, if not even better, with only half the cores enabled.
Below is the reply I gave to him. I decided to post it into this thread, because I would like to know what you guys think about my theory about Qualcomm's chips, and even correct me if I'm wrong, as I would like to understand this situation as accurately as possible. (Although I do ask that those of you who do disagree with me, do it respectfully, and I will treat you the same)
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So me typing this reply ended up in me going about a long rant about my theories about Qualcomm. Tl;Dr to your question: Stock 6P uses 8 cores, fixed 6P uses 4, Qualcomm 810 using 8 cores probably overheats so much, that it thermal throttles heavily, resulting in performance only slightly higher than the same processor, with 4 cores, that thermal throttle much less.
Trigger warning for anyone about to read this: I harshly bash on Qualcomm in this semi-angry rant, if you are a diehard Qualcomm fan, you should probably not read this.
On a stock Nexus 6P, 8 cores are enabled in ARMs big.LITTLE configuration. big.LITTLE is where there is a cluster of power efficient, slower cores to handle smaller tasks (in the 6P's case, 4 Cortex A53s running at 1.55GHz), and a cluster of more power hungry, high performance cores (for the 6P, 4 Cortex A57s running at 2GHz)
On a bootlooping 6P, a hardware malfunction related to the big cluster causes this bootloop, so this fix remedies the problem by disabling the high performance big cores.
The stock 6P is supposed to use the Cortex A57 cores and some of the Cortex A53 cores for foreground tasks. So you would think that a working phone should have double the performance of a phone with this fix, right? After all, it's using 4 more cores, and those cores are clocked almost 25% higher. The reason that (I think) performance is not noticeably affected, is because Qualcomm's Snapdragon 808/810 SoCs, are a horrible, rushed project, that could be designed better by a group of monkeys.
Even with 4 cores disabled, my phone can still thermal throttle (for those who don't know, thermal throttling is when CPU/GPU performance is intentionally limited by software to keep temperatures in check) when playing games, or even watching YouTube. The big cores run way hotter, and they thermal throttle insanely easily, see this graph here. In 30 seconds, the big cores are already to 1.8GHz (From 2GHz), in 60 seconds, the big cores are down to 1.4GHz, and in 3 minutes, 3 freaking minutes, the big cores are thermal throttled down to 850MHz, which is 235% slower than the advertised 2000MHz, and 182% slower than the little cores 1.55GHz.
So my guess is that the big cores thermal throttle so easily, and the high heat output of the big cores results on the little cores overheating, which results in the little cores being thermal throttled along with the big cores. So 4 cores that typically do not thermal throttle, are better than 8 which do. Either that, or when the big cores overheat, the device turns off the big cores and only uses the little cores, which is essentially this fix.
For those of you that think my description of the 808/810 was slightly (extremely) harsh, you're right. However, here's why I was so hard on them: I feel like Qualcomm rushed development of the 808 and 810 to get it to flagship devices. The 808 and 810 were also the first (and last) of it's processors to use the TSMC 20nm manufacturing process. So my guess would be that Qualcomm designed the processor based on that manufacturing process, and then after finding out about the poor thermals of their new chips, it was too late to redesign their chip, because they had to give it to manufacturers. After all, a "Flagship device" can't use a last gen processor. So the overheating chips were given to manufacturers just so their phone could look better on a spec sheet.
Also, Qualcomm VP McDonough said "The rumours are rubbish, there was not an overheating problem with the Snapdragon 810 in commercial devices"(source). However his response to heat issues and benchmarking problems in the early Flex 2 and One M9 was because they weren't final commercial versions of the devices. "Everything you're saying is fair. But we all build pre-released products to find bugs and do performance optimisation. So when pre-released hardware doesn't act like commercial hardware, it’s just part of the development process." In that context, performance optimisation most likely means "allow the devices to run hotter than they should before they throttle" (source) which results in problems later down the line (like maybe half of the cores failing, causing a record number of bootloops in devices?)
The whole reason I typed this rant, was to express my frustration at how Qualcomm (most likely) caused tens of thousands of people to have devices that performed worse than they should have performed on paper, and even result in broken devices. And I haven't seen many people blame Qualcomm for the bootlooping problem, and everyone blames Hauwei/LG/Google, while Qualcomm twiddles their thumbs and keeps ranking in money for their domination in the mobile SoC market. Now obviously, I'm not 100% sure that Qualcomm is to blame for the bootlooping problems, and no one will probably ever know who caused the problem. So this is just a theory that I have. But it is awfully suspicious how the same chip has had problems in multiple devices, even when different companies manufactured the devices.
Even if Qualcomm isn't to blame for the bootlooping problems, it is hard to deny that their chips have serious overheating issues. Samsung themselves basically admitted that the 810 had problems, as every single one of their Galaxy S devices (at least US models) have used a snapdragon processor, except for the galaxy S6, where Samsung opted to use their own Exynos processor instead of the 810, even on the US model.
Please feel free to reply and discuss/argue my points, as I would really like to hear what you guys think about my theory.
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Well, if it's true what you're saying, Qualcomm is the bad guy here. It all points towards an overheating issue with the powercores, which are designed and made by them. However, I feel that the OEMs who purchase these SoCs from them should take responsibility for their choice to use them in their devices and step up. If this theory you have can be proven by extensive testing, a lawsuit should be fairly easy to win and Qualcomm should be forced to better their development and testing.
I may be jumping the gun a bit here, but seeing Qualcomm has a bit of a monopoly on the SoC market, we, the consumers should stop putting our trust in devices using their chipsets. I've had several devices with a Qualcomm chipset and every single one of them were crap. I've had a Samsung Galaxy S2 (which I hated because of the software Samsung put on that device) but the hardware (Exynos) was top notch at the time.
Ok, that's about all of my two cents. Thanks for the good read btw.
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Well, if it's true what you're saying, Qualcomm is the bad guy here. It all points towards an overheating issue with the powercores, which are designed and made by them. However, I feel that the OEMs who purchase these SoCs from them should take responsibility for their choice to use them in their devices and step up. If this theory you have can be proven by extensive testing, a lawsuit should be fairly easy to win and Qualcomm should be forced to better their development and testing.
I may be jumping the gun a bit here, but seeing Qualcomm has a bit of a monopoly on the SoC market, we, the consumers should stop putting our trust in devices using their chipsets. I've had several devices with a Qualcomm chipset and every single one of them were crap. I've had a Samsung Galaxy S2 (which I hated because of the software Samsung put on that device) but the hardware (Exynos) was top notch at the time.
Ok, that's about all of my two cents. Thanks for the good read btw.
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Just happened to be Huawei was making the device and even though Huawei has their own in house chip but since Huawei brand was not really familiar to US, maybe Google is not convinced to market a Nexus brand with some Hi Silicon Kirin processor but they need to get another Nexus device out that year.
If just it was Samsung back then to make the Nexus device, maybe Google is ok with Samsung Exynos chip.
How great would the 6p be IF it could utilize the a57 cores? I'm using Franco Kernel, and he has it set up to barely use the big cores. I'm guessing mostly for battery savings of course, but on a 6p that thus far hasn't had the infamous battery meltdown, to have half of the cores (and the most powerful) cores sitting at lowest frequency for 95% of the time is kind of a shame. I'm willing to dust off my pitchfork