Moto z in 2018? - Moto Z Questions & Answers

I am thinking about buying one but am worried about battery.
What do you say?
I am also thinking about XZ Premium, but that one has low sound quality through headphone jack (typical sony).

Battery life depends on your personal usage. For me the battery on the Moto Z is lacking and I only get about 3 hours sot. That's tiny... But it charges very fast though. Battery life will only get worse with time, so unless you want use these battery mods and make the device as thick as a brick, then I don't think it's a good option.

EZY-E said:
I am thinking about buying one but am worried about battery.
What do you say?
I am also thinking about XZ Premium, but that one has low sound quality through headphone jack (typical sony).
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If you want a phone which can survive a dive in sweet water and you don't plan to use custom roms, go for the XZ Premium. It's got a bit faster CPU(not much, though ) and a 4k display ( too bad it's not AMOLED but only IPS ).
However, if you want a great development life for your phone, take the Moto Z. Our main developer ( @erfanoabdi ) is excellent and we already have completely working 8.1 Oreo-based roms thanks to him.
I personally don't have a reason to upgrade my Moto Z ( I was a device-switching maniac, changing phones every 3-6 months, looking for the best phone up until the moment I bought this one ). The only thing I kinda dislike is the front placement of the fingerprint sensor ( although it's logical since mods go on the back and the phone is just too thin to fit a sensor on the sides) .And that's it.
I'm a pretty picky person when it comes to phones and that is my only "complaint".
The phone is snappy, the display rocks, the camera is great and the development of the phone is spot-on.
As for battery life:
On a stock rom it will probably suck since 2650 mAh is what it is. However, once you get a custom rom on it and after you apply a full black theme like Swift Black for Substratum, the battery life is significantly increased( I get through a day on one charge with ease ) because of how AMOLED screens work.
I also don't know of any other flagship phone this thin ( at only 5.2 mm, it's as thick as an iPhone when you put a bulky case on ) .
In the end, it's all up to you.

Hi. I am also thinking of purchasing the Moto Z (2016). But I'm kind of scared regarding the Bluetooth/WiFi problem. Is this a "Nougat" bug or a hardware problem? Can anybody let me know. Thanks.

robjbw said:
Hi. I am also thinking of purchasing the Moto Z (2016). But I'm kind of scared regarding the Bluetooth/WiFi problem. Is this a "Nougat" bug or a hardware problem? Can anybody let me know. Thanks.
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What bug? Care to elaborate?

robjbw said:
Hi. I am also thinking of purchasing the Moto Z (2016). But I'm kind of scared regarding the Bluetooth/WiFi problem. Is this a "Nougat" bug or a hardware problem? Can anybody let me know. Thanks.
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It's a hardware problem. I also bought for someone else and had this hardware defect after 2 weeks. It was repaired though.

robjbw said:
Hi. I am also thinking of purchasing the Moto Z (2016). But I'm kind of scared regarding the Bluetooth/WiFi problem. Is this a "Nougat" bug or a hardware problem? Can anybody let me know. Thanks.
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I've noticed the WiFi is better after flashing an Oreo ROM.

EZY-E said:
I am thinking about buying one but am worried about battery.
What do you say?
I am also thinking about XZ Premium, but that one has low sound quality through headphone jack (typical sony).
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Hi.
The worst part of this phone for me is battery life. simply it's terrible. Most times 1.5 - 2 Hours of SOT!
Even with Battery MOD at best i get 3 Hours. (Consider the bulky and heaviness of Battery MOD)
The other parts of phone (Camera, Performance, Software) is petty solid and fine IMO.
Another thing that usually is important for me is the XDA Community is not active enough,
Don't get me wrong, there are some Professional developers for Moto Z but not many and your options for Custom ROMs usually limited to 1-2 ROMs.
I'm considering Xiaomi Mi A1 or OP5t for next year.
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robjbw said:
Hi. I am also thinking of purchasing the Moto Z (2016). But I'm kind of scared regarding the Bluetooth/WiFi problem. Is this a "Nougat" bug or a hardware problem? Can anybody let me know. Thanks.
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What problems are you getting?

Depends on price IMO. Battery is meh but I carry battery pack with me to school so not a big problem. Not all that happy with camera coming from Nexus 5X. It is not terrible but the one on Nexus was better, other then that, speed and everything else is working fine. I still love the look of the phone. Will be keeping it for one more year and maybe think about replacement then.

It's a solid phone. I was using a 6p until it started bootlooping. There's a few Oreo 8.1 ROMs out there and moto mods work for the most part.
Go for the TurboPack or Mophie juice pack.
I found the wifi reception is better after installing an Oreo ROM.

On a good stock-based custom ROM with a good Kernel you can get decent SOT. With the original charger it is also very fast charged up again.
If you have the ability to Charge your phone at work/School then it wont be Problem.
But as mentioned before there are phones with better battery,
Also there are very few good ROMs for the Z which work 100% fine.
If you can pick it up for a good price, go for it. I got mine a year ago for about 250€
Today you can get it (used) for very good Prices considering it still has top notch Hardware.

FYI in my country under 400usd none can beat moto z at least in synthetic bench like antutu, geekbench etc.
Also the cam quite good coming from iphone 6.
If you can find secondhand that still have warranty it will be better as the price drop like a stone(release price over 65p usd)

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Buy it or not

hi guys
i am really stuck between Z2, G3 and S5 (F). mainly because of Z2's overheating issues. i'm not sure weather its fixed or not. i read a topic about overheating in xperia forums and got really frustrated. on the other hand i saw this
http://dl.xperian.ir/files/files/su..._S5,_Sony_Xperia_Z2-[YT-f18][wXsyK5YCid8].mp4
pls tell me of any problems u have encountered with your phone.
cons against s5: less ram, really hot in 4k, finger print sensor, design and elevated camera lens
cons against g3: low benchmarks, 32gb model is still rare in my country, low brightness, users who told me not to buy it
tnx
S5 out now see what u want most and choose between the other 2 screen and speaker volume g3 everything else z2 I had both but choose z2 for Battery, sound quality and camera but like I said decide what matters most to you. oh and the main area where z2 really excel is battery everything else is only a tad better
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Just buy anything other than S5, all are good. Issues are because of people nitpicking which applies to all phones. You will be happy with Z2, M8 or the G3.
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what about the overheating problem? is it as bad as said in xperia forums?
someone said his phone overheated in every single app ... not only 4k recording!!!!!
what about the new fw? has it solved the over heating?
I don't have any overheating problems with mine. Don't record in 4k but use my phone pretty hard every day and it's not warmer than my IPhone 5 or any other phone I've had.
on what build number?
in another forums someone said after 5 mins of playing mc5 it gets too hot to be held in hand .... is it true?
If that was the I guess after the first 10 no more would have been sold ?
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SirMatin said:
on what build number?
in another forums someone said after 5 mins of playing mc5 it gets too hot to be held in hand .... is it true?
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Why not just try it out yourself and return it if you don't like. You seem to just rely on some useless forum thread. Any phone will have their supporters and haters, it all depends on if the phone works for your needs. I normally don't listen to some guy on Internet saying the device is good or bad. I will find time to list out the strengths and weaknesses of the device, try it out personally and then make the decision.
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I love love the Z2. I had heating issues ONE day when I was out in 100 degree weather attempting to take pictures the second day I had the phone. None since. It hasn't gotten any warmer than my iPhone did when I was using it for hours.
im also debating on whether or not to purchase.
i am currently using the same factory unlocked xperia z ive had since last march! (the longest ive ever been okay with a single handset)
i love the Z but im afraid its time for a change as the phone has begun to give me so many minor issues(lag, have to restart quite often, phone call users on other end can hear me but i cant hear them etc).
im decided between xperia z utlra, and xperia z2. @ one point i was set on xperia z ultra in purple, but now out of no where ive become infatuated with the xperia z2 in purple. the z ultra not having a flash is its only setback, as i am one who prefers larger screens.
what are the pros and cons of the xperia z2? would any one care to give insight?
thank you.
I am also using phone for 2 months and don't have any overheating issue I was a Samsung user previously and used all the flagships till s5 but I think Samsung overheats more, z2 doesn't overheat and I also don't record in 4k BTW am pretty happy with my phone till now
what about new fw? did it solve anything?
pls help me ....
i'm not sure whether to buy z2 or s5 ....
does ur z2 get super hot when u play hd games?
Z2, for me is better
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I was in the same boat as you guys last week. Then I said screw it and pulled the trigger. I am SOOOOO Happy with this thing, it did not disappoint. It is just so much more sexy than the S5 or anything else for that matter. I believe it is even nicer than the upcoming Z3.
I personally hate touchwiz, so I will never want a phone from sammy. Plus all those bloatwares and useless features, they waste your internal storage space and produce no user value (to me at least).
I'm not sure what heating problem you are talking about. I have got this phone for more than 2 months now, yet to encounter any overheating issue.
Some people reported that the phone got really hot and camera app FC when they tried to record 4K videos for a while, but isn't that the same to every smart phone that has the capacity to record 4K?
The only thing I regret is that the price keeps dropping on this thing lately hahaha. But that is good for you. I bought at $580 and now I saw it for $560
I too am in this boat and after reading and chatting in these forums I have decided to got the Z2, I have a S3 now on CM11 and even before CM11 the battery life was terrible. If i do not use the phone i need to charge it every day. It also takes hours to charge if I do not unplug and plug in again the loader.
So i wont waste time on a plastic sammy again. The M8 looks good but I just like the Z2 and it is s'posed to have great battery life.
I am up for a new contract with my mobile on the 16th and I can get the Z2 free with it
so what the hell is all this?
https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-Z2/Overheating-problems-with-Xperia-Z2/td-p/705013
what about vapors on camera lens after you take it underwater?
I would say Z2 is a better choice than S5 but don't buy it yet!
Wait for Z3 to be released and then Z2 should be a bit cheaper and a better bargain
Don't buy the Z2! super fragile, gets really hot when you use it a lot, mine cracked for no reason, screen with small cracks all over, no refund og support from Sony.

I brought a oneplus one :(

Hey guys, I love the xperia z2. Absolutely brilliant phone. But I have, unfortunately had problems ( just like I did with my z ultra )
So I decided to buy a one plus one, I'll still keep my z2 for sure and decide which is better suited for me
Has anyone else thought about getting the opo yet?
J
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JackHanAnLG said:
Hey guys, I love the xperia z2. Absolutely brilliant phone. But I have, unfortunately had problems ( just like I did with my z ultra )
So I decided to buy a one plus one, I'll still keep my z2 for sure and decide which is better suited for me
Has anyone else thought about getting the opo yet?
J
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oppo are in the middle, arent amazing, but arent terrible
dont have huge flaws nor pros
unlike xperias with their damn heating issues or manufacturing
one+one as far as ive experianced are flawless
In pretty excited to get it to be honest. The camera looks amazing and they said that when android L comes out they'll have a stable version for the opo within 90 unlike Sony who don't say anything
J
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JackHanAnLG said:
In pretty excited to get it to be honest. The camera looks amazing and they said that when android L comes out they'll have a stable version for the opo within 90 unlike Sony who don't say anything
J
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There are a lot of problems with the OPO. I have already purchased 5 of them, and I don't have one left.
-All 5 had a terrible yellow band at the bottom of the screen.
-Half of them had touchscreen problems (something to do with poor grounding, so when placed on a conductive material the phones touchscreen malfunctions).
-A couple of them came with chipped and nicked bezels.
-All of them had extremely low call volume with both earpiece and speakerphone
-Back Sandstone cover inconsistent between devices, scratches and chips so easily.
Regarding the 90 update policy: Please keep in mind they are running CyanogenMod, which you can run on your Z2, and which will likely be out with Android L sooner than 90 days. You can't compare a CyanogenMod ROM release to an Xperia ROM release.
Be careful because I tried to RMA all of my devices for one or more of the problems listed above, and it took near two weeks to even get a reply. After another week of dialogue they declined all of my RMA's. I have since sold the phones at a loss and I will never deal with them again.
I can safely say that the camera on the Z2 is far superior to the OPO's from the pictures I've take with both devices.
Lastly, there are two speakers on the OPO like most modern phones, however their speakers are MONO and not STEREO.
Envious_Data said:
oppo are in the middle, arent amazing, but arent terrible
dont have huge flaws nor pros
unlike xperias with their damn heating issues or manufacturing
one+one as far as ive experianced are flawless
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Before I got z2 I read all this heating issue about z2, I don't know if I got a real good z2 or what but I have no heating issues everyone is crying about sure if I do more intense things I get a little warmer but all phones do and as soon as a stop phone is normal again.
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cheapshot789 said:
Before I got z2 I read all this heating issue about z2, I don't know if I got a real good z2 or what but I have no heating issues everyone is crying about sure if I do more intense things I get a little warmer but all phones do and as soon as a stop phone is normal again.
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Z2 and few months after release all manufactured Z2s had a finger burning heating issue
newwer ones have almost no such thing
blyndfyre said:
There are a lot of problems with the OPO. I have already purchased 5 of them, and I don't have one left.
-All 5 had a terrible yellow band at the bottom of the screen.
-Half of them had touchscreen problems (something to do with poor grounding, so when placed on a conductive material the phones touchscreen malfunctions).
-A couple of them came with chipped and nicked bezels.
-All of them had extremely low call volume with both earpiece and speakerphone
-Back Sandstone cover inconsistent between devices, scratches and chips so easily.
Regarding the 90 update policy: Please keep in mind they are running CyanogenMod, which you can run on your Z2, and which will likely be out with Android L sooner than 90 days. You can't compare a CyanogenMod ROM release to an Xperia ROM release.
Be careful because I tried to RMA all of my devices for one or more of the problems listed above, and it took near two weeks to even get a reply. After another week of dialogue they declined all of my RMA's. I have since sold the phones at a loss and I will never deal with them again.
I can safely say that the camera on the Z2 is far superior to the OPO's from the pictures I've take with both devices.
Lastly, there are two speakers on the OPO like most modern phones, however their speakers are MONO and not STEREO.
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Wow, bro. Whomever comes to me and says One Plus One is the best smartphone so far, I'll show them this post. I was starting to think if this One Plus One is better than my beloved Sony Xperia Z2, aswell. Now after reading this post, I'm relieved.
And yeah, they're using CyanogedMod, we're using our own awesome ROM specially engineered by Sony. So this means when our Android L version comes out, it'll surely beat the hell out of their Android L version ROM.
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Wow, bro. Whomever comes to me and says One Plus One is the best smartphone so far, I'll show them this post. I was starting to think if this One Plus One is better than my beloved Sony Xperia Z2, aswell. Now after reading this post, I'm relieved.
And yeah, they're using CyanogedMod, we're using our own awesome ROM specially engineered by Sony. So this means when our Android L version comes out, it'll surely beat the hell out of their Android L version ROM.
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Yeah do some research before you buy it, the moderators on the OP forum are doing their best to bury the "problem" threads. It's sad, I posted multiple threads to create awareness about the problems with my phones, and I was banned from the forum for "spreading conspiracy"!
A co-worker of mine just sold off his OPO and stuck with his Samsung phone instead
The Back sandstone cover or whatever it's referred to is definitely a turn-off on that phone. It already had slight wear/chipping on the corners from being placed in the packaging- a big indication that the back will wear out over time and look awful without a case. Before even powering it on, he opted to sell it off and get his money back.
Have no issues with my Z2 here, overheating or build quality
Res215dg said:
A co-worker of mine just sold off his OPO and stuck with his Samsung phone instead
The Back sandstone cover or whatever it's referred to is definitely a turn-off on that phone. It already had slight wear/chipping on the corners from being placed in the packaging- a big indication that the back will wear out over time and look awful without a case. Before even powering it on, he opted to sell it off and get his money back.
Have no issues with my Z2 here, overheating or build quality
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My Z2 has been fantastic thus far as well. I tried five times with five brand new OPO's and was completely unsatisfied every time.
I got both and I dunno what you guys are on about?
I got a find 7a aside from my z2. The find 7a in my country comes with a carbon fiber back plate. The phone feels rock solid, there are no chips or dings and the screen is brilliant! Personally I use the OPPO more than my Z2.one awesome phone
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There are a lot of problems with the OPO. I have already purchased 5 of them, and I don't have one left.
-All 5 had a terrible yellow band at the bottom of the screen.
-Half of them had touchscreen problems (something to do with poor grounding, so when placed on a conductive material the phones touchscreen malfunctions).
-A couple of them came with chipped and nicked bezels.
-All of them had extremely low call volume with both earpiece and speakerphone
-Back Sandstone cover inconsistent between devices, scratches and chips so easily.
Regarding the 90 update policy: Please keep in mind they are running CyanogenMod, which you can run on your Z2, and which will likely be out with Android L sooner than 90 days. You can't compare a CyanogenMod ROM release to an Xperia ROM release.
Be careful because I tried to RMA all of my devices for one or more of the problems listed above, and it took near two weeks to even get a reply. After another week of dialogue they declined all of my RMA's. I have since sold the phones at a loss and I will never deal with them again.
I can safely say that the camera on the Z2 is far superior to the OPO's from the pictures I've take with both devices.
Lastly, there are two speakers on the OPO like most modern phones, however their speakers are MONO and not STEREO.
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I've had 5 Opo's to date and still have one, the rest were gifts to others. I have had no issues that required RMA. Yellowing issue at bottom of the screen: not everyone phone has and has been resolved with updates. Low call volume: until recently, has been an issue with every official CM ROM. Recent software updates have cured this. Touchscreen issues: again, not on everyone and they have been remedied as well. In all of the Opo's I have owned the back cover has been the same, I have not had a problem with that. Why would someone want an Opo over a Z2? Easy, $$$. The Opo costs $363 brand new, shipped. Considerably less than an also brand new Z2. Also, thee customization options are what make the Opo amazing. The camera is indeed better on the Z2, appreciably so. However, again, with recent software updates the Opo's camera is very good and certainly capable of meeting and exceeding most peoples needs. I own both phones and don't have a favorite necessarily because while I can say the Z2 is the better overall phone I do know it's 1. subjective and 2. comes at a substantial cost increase over the Opo. Every manufacturer ships phones worthy of RMA repairs, but Opo is the only company smart/dumb enough to create a forum before the phone was even out giving people time to fester, stew over and discuss said issues after waiting weeks for their phone.
I own a OnePlus. It's sitting beside me collecting dust. It's garbage. Cheap hardware, covered up by cm work arounds to create an Illusion of a high end device. Too many bugs, horrible customer service, and no transparency from the company. They lie, and mislead their customers. They bury any sort of negativity in their forums regardless of validity. I will never buy any OnePlus phone ever. I'm just lucky I won this piece of crap sitting beside me instead of investing any money into it. That company will most likely fail anyways.
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I haven't had the chance to try the one plus one, but when it first came out I was really pumped! But now that I got the Z2, I haven't thought about it twice. But I am trying to figure out if I'm having a problem or not with my device... The sound in call sounds tinny and noisy... But not via loudspeaker. Only in call via the internal speaker... Hopefully I can fix it. Other than that, what a wonderful phone
I purchased a One plus one and had quality issues as well. I didn't have the yellow banding along the bottom but definitely nicks on the chrome bezel....made it look really cheap. The phone would become unresponsive all the time. The accelerometer was buggy and wouldn't switch from landscape to portrait without a little extra shaking. Just not to my liking. Customer support was ****e so I sold the phone on craigslist for a profit and purchased another one. Same niggling issues so I sold that one to another eager buyer for another tiny profit and decided that if I was getting bored of my Z2 I should just switch colors....so now I own a white one and love it all over again, lol.

z5 compact or Nexus 5x ?

really torn between these two devices ,
am talking about AOSP or CM on z5c , is AOSP working well on it ?
the 5x display is not that great , is the z5c display any better ?
any suggestion is appreciated .
I have just been evaluating the two side my side for the past fortnight trying to decide which to keep.
Hightlights of the z5c have been its size, speaker quality, and overall build quality. Micro SD slot is handy and waterproofness is nice to have. However I have found the camera to be very disappointing and slow to use and the results average. Also the smaller screen size can make operating Xperia keyboard and text input frustrating at times.. I dont htink the screen is as good as the one the Nexus but maybe thats just me. Excellent battery life. I have only tried Sony factory ROM and was not aware that others such as CM are available yet?
Highights of the Nexus 5x have been the crisp clean Marshmallow interface, good screen and excellent point and shoot camera. Screen is not as repsonsive as x5c when it needs to dim in a dark environment. It has a Terrific keyboard that is really accurate and easy to use. along with best fingerprint reader I have used. Downsides to it are its plasticy design with protruding lens which makes me reluctant to put it down on its back on a desk. even though I know the lens will not contact the desk. A Google Adopted TPU case fixed this though. But as soon as you encase it no-one will have any idea it is a google phone. Speaker is crappy and poor sound quality compered to z5c. USB C power cables are orphans and mean you cannot use existing A cables existing devices most people have. Couple this with a mediocre battery life can be problematic. Biggest downside for me though is its size. Too big too put into from jeans pocket and protrudes an inch or so out the top of shirt pocket.
So I ended up selling my 5x and keeping the z5c. My hope is that Sony will do something in the marshmallow update to improve the point and shoot usabilty of the camera. Hope this helps.
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I have just been evaluating the two side my side for the past fortnight trying to decide which to keep.
Hightlights of the z5c have been its size, speaker quality, and overall build quality. Micro SD slot is handy and waterproofness is nice to have. However I have found the camera to be very disappointing and slow to use and the results average. Also the smaller screen size can make operating Xperia keyboard and text input frustrating at times.. I dont htink the screen is as good as the one the Nexus but maybe thats just me. Excellent battery life. I have only tried Sony factory ROM and was not aware that others such as CM are available yet?
Highights of the Nexus 5x have been the crisp clean Marshmallow interface, good screen and excellent point and shoot camera. Screen is not as repsonsive as x5c when it needs to dim in a dark environment. It has a Terrific keyboard that is really accurate and easy to use. along with best fingerprint reader I have used. Downsides to it are its plasticy design with protruding lens which makes me reluctant to put it down on its back on a desk. even though I know the lens will not contact the desk. A Google Adopted TPU case fixed this though. But as soon as you encase it no-one will have any idea it is a google phone. Speaker is crappy and poor sound quality compered to z5c. USB C power cables are orphans and mean you cannot use existing A cables existing devices most people have. Couple this with a mediocre battery life can be problematic. Biggest downside for me though is its size. Too big too put into from jeans pocket and protrudes an inch or so out the top of shirt pocket.
So I ended up selling my 5x and keeping the z5c. My hope is that Sony will do something in the marshmallow update to improve the point and shoot usabilty of the camera. Hope this helps.
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thanks a lot , very helpful ,
and yes there is an AOSP 5.1.1 rom available for the z5c , no CM yet ( can't imagine it will be long before a release , given sony has released the binaries ) ,
here you go :
http://fxpblog.co/aosp/aosp-5-1/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z5-compact/orig-development/aosp-builds-z5c-t3226266
I haven't tested the 5x yet, but have the z5c for about two weeks now and in my opinion there are two main issues with the z5c:
First the display colors really seem to be washed out, the black is more a really dark grey than a black (I don't know if this is due to a defect screen or if this is the case for all z5c's), also the display resolution of 720p isn't really enough for me as I clearly can see the edges of round app icons for example even when I'm farther away from the screen.
Also the increase of the phone temperature during prolonged use really bothers me, but that's a known issue of the Snapdragon 810. The camera is just okay, I honestly expected more, especially in low light conditions. But as far as is understand this is rather a post-processing issue than an hardware issue, I hope this improves with Marshmallow.
Two plus points are good battery live (maybe also due to the relatively low res screen) and the overall speed of the phone, which really has improved since the last firmware update.
I had both phones at the same time. Here are my thoughts:
Z5 Compact
+ I prefer the phone size much better
+ I play ingress, so prefer the better battery life and single handed use
+ I have a couple of external battery packs, which quick charge the Z5C
+ Waterproof
+ Really like that Sony went with regular micro-USB connector unlike the Z3C
+ Expandable memory. This can become expanded internal memory in Marshmallow
+ I love Tap to Wake
+ It is a sexy looking device
- Thicker than the N5X
- Not thrilled that the volume rocker is below the power button
- Surely majority of folks don't use the wrist strap feature?! It's a dust collector for me.
- Typing an issue on a smaller keyboard
- Voice recognition is iffy
- I hate that I don't have the option to turn off the notification light at when charging at night (always have to remember to place the phone facedown)
- Run hot under heavy use, but I use a case to avoid the slipper glass on the back anyway
Nexus 5X
+ Clean UI
+ Fast updates
+ Better fingerprint sensor
+ Thin and light
+ Better typing experience
+ Ambient display
- Too large for single-handed use
- Camera pops out like a nipple - could be seen as a positive
- USB-C means new expense on cables and charger (consider the added expenses here)
- My external chargers will work with N5X, but will not charge as quick as a licensed Qualcomm Quickcharge phone
- The vibration motor is a lot harsher than the Z5C. Not a fan.
- The mono speaker seems to be facing the back, but there is no opening on the back, so sound is kinda muffled.
- What's the deal with the giant bezel?!
- No expanded memory support
- The internal specs are lower (808 vs 810 in Z5C, and Adreno 418 vs 430 in Z5C). The Z5C guts are actually in the Nexus 6P, but with 3GB RAM.
I ended up returning the Nexus 5X primarily because of the size and having to make sure I have a USB-C cable handy in case I run through the battery. Even when I had the phone charging while I was playing ingress, the phone battery was discharging faster than recharging.
The Z5C is very comfortable to use. I do have an itch for a completely bloat free UI, with Marshmallow. Once unlock and root processes eventually get released/cleaned-up, the Z5C will be take a bigger bite into the Nexus 5X's main selling point.
N5X advantages:
- Camera (for photos) is in another league, look at the camera samples, the photos are very sharp compared to all Sony Z cameras.
- Fast updates.
- Stock clean Android (only Google apps that can be disabled) / Camera2 API / probably…not sure: Google Now Always ON / etc
Z5C adv:
- Battery life (If N5X battery life is less than 50% better than N5 battery, then it still really sux).
- Size (subjective)
- SoC 810 is much better.
- Long battery life when gaming.
- Some General hardware~ (mic quality / screen quality / etc).
Sent from my E5823
Finally i bought the 5x due to no AOSP roms available yet on z5c ,
thanks everyone .
So, I had nexus 5x for 1.5 month, got 5x after beloved Sony z5c international with fingerprint reader and wrist strap due to switching to verizon from ATT and it was cheapest of the semi-decent phones. I regret both.
1. While its compatible, and verizon sim works, i barely get signal 3G LTE to none while my other friends right next to me with iphones and samsung phones get high speed full bars 4g lte, so must be poor antenna or not fully compatible with verizon as claimed. And mind you its after hours on the phone with verizon i got it to even work. When i try send emails most times it flashes message every 1-2 seconds "no connection" "retry" then "connected", that creates multiple drafts when im trying to send email, nuisance to say the least. Or messages I thought were sent stuck in limbo, shown sent on device, but when login to email account from pc it isnt sent or even in drafts, so its on a device stuck, not sent even when connected while shown as sent on device.
2. giant phone not one handed. And no wrist strap hook!
3. Poor photo quality, no depth, poor resolution, only way to focus camera is to take 1 shot only then it tries to focus, any other way it would normally work on z5c with green to red focus window is not available. I tweaked it a bit using camera MX but even so, mediocre original software & hardware.
3. Pricy and no expansion memory, i got 32gb, and OS + apps already took over 20gb, and mind you i only have very few brain games and productivity apps like docsToGo that do not take much space, rest is android os itself upfront.
4. Not waterproof or resistant. Even when water droplet hits center of screen it acts out thinking its my finger, z5c did not react same way to water at all, it ignored it mostly, only responding to finger.
5. google keyboard is horrible, not even arrows to move coursor right or left within text, and gokeyboard became commercialized with adds so.. i didnt find better alternative, and you have to be precise getting it into right spot to insert extra words in between especially at the beginning of paragraph.
6. New Android version lost too many good features gaining none. Like little menu on the bottom right to close all open apps at once, gone! Now you have to manually close each app. specific to z5c mini apps like calculator, browser that can be used simultaneously with other apps window in window, shown both at once of course not included, and nothing similar available.
7. Battery life poor. I had about 5hours browsing no video out of it before it hits 20% mark from 100%, with video even faster. While usb c helps charge faster, true, but it doesnt help battery life , and no wireless charging, adapters just came to market, i do not think ill keep phone long enough to try if it works.
8. Back to memory expansion, so forget microsd, but even usb wont work. I have samsung duo usb3 to micro usb, so attempt 1 was to use anker adapter with my samsung usbduo drive and it didnt even register the drive. So i went ahead and bought an app to register usb c drive, didnt work. attempt 2 after shelling out for the nexus 5x compatible app, bought usb c flash drive guess what, only registers with that app, and even then cant just browse folders and files, open, work with file, save, ..no. you would have to copy to phone then work with file, save to phone only, and only then copy or move back to usb c drive. Really! So i scrapped that plan, went cloud, and got rid of usb c drive.
9. When plug in to pc have to manually each time select transfer files or it will only charge by default, havent found way to change that either.
10. Camera and fingerprint reader so close, guess where your fingerprint lands most times? Yup, keep wiping the camera lense.
11. Cherry on top, doesnt come with usb c to usb 2.0 or usb 3.0 cable, google store omitted that just saying charger and usb c cable, so as you discover that fact and jumping to look for a cable thats never seems available in google store site, your return time slot is closing down on you ..14 days..and you cant even test it with pc plugged in..
So, good stuff..fingerprint scanner works, usb c charge faster by 2x time.. that is about it.
Contacted google store and since its over 14 days = nonrefundable.
Conclusion, I am going back to AT&T and my beloved z5c! Yes, it doesnt have usb c and older (better version of android).. but guess what small, waterproof, has wriststrap to phone not just case, faster, better camera, better photos album layout, keyboard, LTE 4G without hangs and drops, same fingerprint scanner, and if i left out anything else, its there, on that sweet small device.
Perhaps someone else might find 5x mediocre good enough and cheap enough but for me I am ok going back to proven to be better for same price!
Edit: I didn't read the dates or the whole tread. I need sleep.
Hello,
I'm facing the same thing for a few days now; I'm hesitating between picking up a Nexus 5X or a Z5C, the first one has the advantage of frequent updates and clean Android experience but a relatively big screen while the second one has an ideal screen but I've heard about lots of overheating problems related to it.
So since it's 2016 and both phones are running Marshmallow, can you guys give me a quick update on your experiences now ? Thanks
Mephistorium said:
Hello,
I'm facing the same thing for a few days now; I'm hesitating between picking up a Nexus 5X or a Z5C, the first one has the advantage of frequent updates and clean Android experience but a relatively big screen while the second one has an ideal screen but I've heard about lots of overheating problems related to it.
So since it's 2016 and both phones are running Marshmallow, can you guys give me a quick update on your experiences now ? Thanks
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The Sony ui is still full of bugs but marshmallow performs at a decent level. Still nothing to compete with it in its size class.
Mephistorium said:
Hello,
I'm facing the same thing for a few days now; I'm hesitating between picking up a Nexus 5X or a Z5C, the first one has the advantage of frequent updates and clean Android experience but a relatively big screen while the second one has an ideal screen but I've heard about lots of overheating problems related to it.
So since it's 2016 and both phones are running Marshmallow, can you guys give me a quick update on your experiences now ? Thanks
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The z5c is a great phone, its just the battery life isn't the best in my opinion......you ever consider thinking of the Z3C? Im sure its a no since its been 2 years passed.
Thanks a lot for your feedback, As you said: the thing is that the Z5C has nothing to compete against in the small flagship category, if the battery lasts for a day on average use then I'm fine also the phone doesn't overheat from normal use as I've been reading all over the internet.
Regarding the Z3C, I think I can consider it if it's not too far from the Z5C performance, any feedback on that could be helpful!
Mephistorium said:
Thanks a lot for your feedback, As you said: the thing is that the Z5C has nothing to compete against in the small flagship category, if the battery lasts for a day on average use then I'm fine also the phone doesn't overheat from normal use as I've been reading all over the internet.
Regarding the Z3C, I think I can consider it if it's not too far from the Z5C performance, any feedback on that could be helpful!
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Z3c edges out slightly better in performance and dev support. BUT it has side charging port and flaps, not the most practical. It's all about your price range really.
Thanks a lot! Actually I have a bit of money on the side so I can get the Z5C, and in Europe the difference between the Z5C and the Z3C is like 60 dollars, the nexus 5x is the cheapest of all three phones
Mephistorium said:
Thanks a lot! Actually I have a bit of money on the side so I can get the Z5C, and in Europe the difference between the Z5C and the Z3C is like 60 dollars, the nexus 5x is the cheapest of all three phones
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Just like guy from above said, its all about your price/how much you can afford, ppl mainly go for nexus 5x for fast updates (pretty much it). If you not picky on the year, Z3C is your best bet if you want performance and best battery life and plus theres a unique developer at the Z3C forum that has been making the Z3C a perfect phone for anyone. The reason I got the Z5C is because I had screen issues on the Z3C and plus i was still in love of the compact series of the xperia. Z5C is doing fine for me
uchechris said:
Just like guy from above said, its all about your price/how much you can afford, ppl mainly go for nexus 5x for fast updates (pretty much it). If you not picky on the year, Z3C is your best bet if you want performance and best battery life and plus theres a unique developer at the Z3C forum that has been making the Z3C a perfect phone for anyone. The reason I got the Z5C is because I had screen issues on the Z3C and plus i was still in love of the compact series of the xperia. Z5C is doing fine for me
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Well thanks a lot, I do trust your ways around phones, so I've ordered a Z3C with a magnetic charger ( to avoid trouble with slot flaps ) think it's my best bet as you said.
Thanks again
Mephistorium said:
Well thanks a lot, I do trust your ways around phones, so I've ordered a Z3C with a magnetic charger ( to avoid trouble with slot flaps ) think it's my best bet as you said.
Thanks again
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Your welcome, be sure to go to the Z3C forum if you have additional questions, its really a good phone. I recommend flashing this rom to make your phone very unique but before doing that, you need root and recovery, thank God its easier to do it without unlocking the boot loader, just zoom in that forum for all of your questions, I wish you the best of luck!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3-compact/development/rom-slimm-t3359831
Mephistorium said:
Well thanks a lot, I do trust your ways around phones, so I've ordered a Z3C with a magnetic charger ( to avoid trouble with slot flaps ) think it's my best bet as you said.
Thanks again
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I suggest you cancel the z3c order. The Z3/Z3c is easy to has touch issue after 12~16 months, the touch panel life cycle is short, my friend Z3 got screen problem right after his warranty expired a few days(exactly 12 months passed) and he fuxked up and switched to Iphone, he was a Sony fans with only SE/Sony phones used in his life.
I admit Z3c got better software development, battery and thermal control. However, the camera on Z3c is worse than Z1c/Z5c. But if you only want a cheap compact and don't care buy another one after 1~2 years then Z3c is still a good choice.
TheEndHK said:
I suggest you cancel the z3c order. The Z3/Z3c is easy to has touch issue after 12~16 months, the touch panel life cycle is short, my friend Z3 got screen problem right after his warranty expired a few days(exactly 12 months passed) and he fuxked up and switched to Iphone, he was a Sony fans with only SE/Sony phones used in his life.
I admit Z3c got better software development, battery and thermal control. However, the camera on Z3c is worse than Z1c/Z5c. But if you only want a cheap compact and don't care buy another one after 1~2 years then Z3c is still a good choice.
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Hello and sorry I was on vacation )
Thank you very much though as (un)lucky as I am, I've returned the z3c via amazon but then I'm back looking, maybe I only have the z5c or something like htc m8 to go after.

So I have been reading/watching a lot about HTC M10 and it got me thinking...

So my G5 is out for fault replacement and all these HTC M10 comparisons/hands on videos are starting to make think twice about keeping my G5.
Dont get me wrong, I really like my G5 but with all those QC issues and not so promising development future(at the moment) compared to factory unlocked bootloader = more development potential, solid build quality, and on-paper superior audio quality(without needing a module) is not making it easy for me to decide wether to keep my G5 or swap for HTC M10.
What are your thoughts on this, are any of you thinking of jumping ships ?
Your G5 is defective already? What happened?
waylo said:
Your G5 is defective already? What happened?
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Light bleed, wobbly volume rocker, auto brightness and the usual build quality issues.
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Light bleed, wobbly volume rocker, auto brightness and the usual build quality issues.
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dude.... that sucks! I haven't had any of the issues others are experiencing but that's not to say I didn't almost return it. I bought it for the B&O HiFi module and now that I've learnt the US variants aren't supported it makes me wonder why I even jumped from my v10... but that battery life with no tweaks is insane for me so for that alone I'm gonna keep this one.
fatapia said:
dude.... that sucks! I haven't had any of the issues others are experiencing but that's not to say I didn't almost return it. I bought it for the B&O HiFi module and now that I've learnt the US variants aren't supported it makes me wonder why I even jumped from my v10... but that battery life with no tweaks is insane for me so for that alone I'm gonna keep this one.
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Indeed, the battery life is totally insane on G5. Also they are charging £149 for that module over here in UK which is quite insane. I would rather buy a better quality stand alone DAC then this one OR HTC has one built it and since I am an avid music listener this is a plus point for me.
Oh bro you have nothing to loose but everything to win. Jump sgip before it sinks !!!
FalconFX said:
Oh bro you have nothing to loose but everything to win. Jump sgip before it sinks !!!
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lose*
yup early impressions were positive for this phone to but i think im going to cancel my preorder and preorder the htc 10. everything looks better with the htc from design to internals. i think lg dropped the ball with the phone by trying to do to much. sometimes when you try to do to much you dont do enough were it counts.
fatapia said:
dude.... that sucks! I haven't had any of the issues others are experiencing but that's not to say I didn't almost return it. I bought it for the B&O HiFi module and now that I've learnt the US variants aren't supported it makes me wonder why I even jumped from my v10... but that battery life with no tweaks is insane for me so for that alone I'm gonna keep this one.
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brah the hifi module was one of the big reasons i was going to buy this phone to. the htc 10 is sounding like the better phone and at a cheaper price. i think im going to cancel my preorder even though i was getting it hoping it to be unlocked on verizon, the b&h photo version. the only thing im really i dont really like is that the htc doenst have an always on display and the battery is not removable. but htc claims 2 days use on the battery so that will be nice.
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Light bleed, wobbly volume rocker, auto brightness and the usual build quality issues.
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I must have got an unusual build then, none of those issues. Rock solid and the dual cameras are amazing for photos.
The LG G5/HTC 10 has also an 24-Bit Build-in DAC.
The B&O Modul has an 32-Bit Build-in DAC.
Reviews are going to be out today for HTC 10, cant wait to see how this phone actually performs.
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Light bleed, wobbly volume rocker, auto brightness and the usual build quality issues.
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I was so stoked for the G5 as it was my step back into Android but the light bleed and gap between the battery portion of my unit were just too much. Buyer's remorsed in 2 days and back to a 6s. But the 10 could be a winner.

Should i buy it? H850 owners do you have problems with it?

Hey guys,
I'm thinking of buying this beast because of the camera capabilities (i want to hold off buying a DSLR a little longer), but also because of the spec to price ratio. As i've began researching, i found that it has numerous problems: bad GPS signal, burn in, LCD bleed . These things are scaring me, also i've noticed that a lot of US owners have all these problems, but only some EU owners have it.
My questions are :
1. Do EU owners have these problems too, and how many of you have it?
2. Is it still worth it? I've been searching a package deal with B&O "friend" but didn't find any. Only the LG G5 at around 460EUR. Did you receive headphones in your packaging?
3. Is the brick charger (wall charger) truly QC 3.0 compatible? As i saw its only 9V at 1.8Amps.
4. Are you happy with it? What don't you like about it?
Thanks in advanced.
Best regards,
Cristian
charris said:
Hey guys,
I'm thinking of buying this beast because of the camera capabilities (i want to hold off buying a DSLR a little longer), but also because of the spec to price ratio. As i've began researching, i found that it has numerous problems: bad GPS signal, burn in, LCD bleed . These things are scaring me, also i've noticed that a lot of US owners have all these problems, but only some EU owners have it.
My questions are :
1. Do EU owners have these problems too, and how many of you have it?
2. Is it still worth it? I've been searching a package deal with B&O "friend" but didn't find any. Only the LG G5 at around 460EUR. Did you receive headphones in your packaging?
3. Is the brick charger (wall charger) truly QC 3.0 compatible? As i saw its only 9V at 1.8Amps.
4. Are you happy with it? What don't you like about it?
Thanks in advanced.
Best regards,
Cristian
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1) T-Mobile was the first to sell the G5 so that's probably why there are more cases in us then in Europe. The only problem i Have is a bit of light bleeding. Also do not confuse burn-in (which is an oled display thing) with the image retention, they can seem similar but are differents.
2) Yep, here in italy on a famous site it costs around 400 euros, afaik there are no bundle with that module. I bought it in a shop and there were headphones.
3) Nope is QC 2.0
4) Yes, i'm happy with it, the only problem is the battery life, but the possibility to swap the battery is a great plus.
Killua96 said:
1) T-Mobile was the first to sell the G5 so that's probably why there are more cases in us then in Europe. The only problem i Have is a bit of light bleeding. Also do not confuse burn-in (which is an oled display thing) with the image retention, they can seem similar but are differents.
2) Yep, here in italy on a famous site it costs around 400 euros, afaik there are no bundle with that module. I bought it in a shop and there were headphones.
3) Nope is QC 2.0
4) Yes, i'm happy with it, the only problem is the battery life, but the possibility to swap the battery is a great plus.
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Thanks for the reply. How old is your G5? Did u try to loosen the screw from where u have the light bleed? Did you buy a QC 3.0 brick?
charris said:
Thanks for the reply. How old is your G5? Did u try to loosen the screw from where u have the light bleed? Did you buy a QC 3.0 brick?
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I bought it the 3rd of june, according to the serial it is from april.
Nope i haven't tried to loose that screw.
Nope, i don't need QC when i Have 2 more batterys
Its a good phone but......
i got it almost a week now and i just love it...no problems so far and the battery life is almost the same as my oneplus x was...so yeah i think it was a good buy especially for the camera
I have G5 for 2-3 months or so, I switched from Nexus 5 (regular, not 5X). What I love:
- camera - is great, I don't have many chances to test it though, but in that I take was great. N5 don't stand a chance
- speed - it's crazy fast
- battery - a lot of ppl complain about it, but for me is great. I can easly go through day and have 50% at the evening. I think it is because of great sleep mode, N5 was terrible, I always must charge it at the evening. Also battery life on 3G is great
- fast charge
What I don't like:
- lack of suport - don't get me wrong, you can root it and instal xposed, but AOSP would be nice. But to be true, only thing I'm missing is working "always on" display on custom dpi.
Build quality is ok to me, but I don't like it feel of it. It's not cheap materials, but it feels little bit fragile and I was affraid of camera lenses. Spigen Slim Armor is perfect to me.
My other choice was S7, and if I would be buying phone again, it also would be G5. I don't regret this choice.
I have for 5 months the EU model, no problem at all so far, no bleeding, no quality problems beside a small alignment problem with the battery cover when I swipe my finger I can feel it is not 100:% smooth with the rest of the body.
Other than that no problems at all and I sold my s7 after keeping both for 2 weeks testing which one to keep.
If the reason you want the G5 is to postpone your DSLR , then you have two options: V20 or G5. Assuming the V20 will not be release anytime soon in EU then G5 is your best choice.
I upgraded my G2 mainly for the camera. I was reading and watching videos like crazy trying to choose between the S7 Edge and the G5.
Eventually I chose the G5, bought it in Austria (H850) for ~650Euros 5 months ago.
It's not a perfect phone, far from it, but it also doesn't have any big issues.. it's the little things. Camera wise, it is awesome!
Why I chose the G5:
ISO: S7 max - 800, G5 max - 3200.
Exposure: S7 max - 10 seconds, G5 max - 30 seconds.
Wide angle: S7 doesn't have one, G5 is rocking one.
Sensor ratio: S7 uses a cr*ppy 4:3 , G5 is 16:9. Which just makes more sense to me as every screen I own is 16:9 (TVs, phones, monitors).
Resolution: S7 merely scratches 9MP when using 16:9, G5 almost doubles it with 16MP.
IR Blaster: S7 doesn't have one, G5 has it.
Removable battery is plus and minus.. It's smaller, but removable. I bought the battery+external charger kit from Amazon for 30$ and it's great to have, a must buy if you like going on trips.
Don't get it for the "friends" it was bound to fail, get it for the phone.
What I don't like:
Screen could be brighter, I hate the curved screen (all of them) as it prevents me from applying a good tempered glass screen protector.
Even when using a rectangle glass protector..something is off in the bottom right corner and it always opens a bit there.
Other than that, the phone is fast, reliable, battery is not bad nor stunning (I get around 3.5-4 hours SOT with about 30 hours of battery time).
And yes, supplied charger is 2.0 (which is also very fast), I don't think there were earphones in the box..

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