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If I could install Windows 7 along side Android on this thing, then I'd replace my laptop as my main PC. Is this possible? Or if not, will it be in the future with Windows 8? I can wait a few more months, by then maybe the price will drop some as well ^_^.
No, Windows 7 will never be compatible on an ARM based tablet because it is made for x86/Itanium architecture.
Windows 8: Maybe- depends on the driver release but that is atleast a few months away so no one can really say.
avinash60 said:
No, Windows 7 will never be compatible on an ARM based tablet because it is made for x86/Itanium architecture.
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Not even Itanium on Windows 7, it's x86/x64 only.
Windows 8 will be theoretically compatible but it remains to be seen whether it will actually be possible to install it on the Prime. Don't forget that Windows 8 on ARM won't run existing Windows programs away.
I'd be interested in an Ubuntu or such dual-boot.
can we have more windows threads please?
i mean really? as if the windows 8 threads concerning an OS which won't be out (in it's ARM form) until late next year weren't enough, we get ones about an OS that CLEARLY wont' work on ARM arch.
i don't say it often, but a quick search would have turned up the answer that x86 OS' will never work on ARM arch. ESPECIALLY ones that are not open source to be dismantled by a crazy person to be made to work somehow.
Haloman800 said:
If I could install Windows 7 along side Android on this thing, then I'd replace my laptop as my main PC. Is this possible? Or if not, will it be in the future with Windows 8? I can wait a few more months, by then maybe the price will drop some as well ^_^.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1365283&highlight=windows
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1368651&highlight=windows
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1407305&highlight=windows
Since when did the Prime have a ARM processor that's a cheap CPU found in netbooks.
Officially there will never be a Windows OS for Transformer Prime, ASUS already have a tablet on the market for Windows and it's the Eee Slate EP121, and like the other Windows tablets it's big, heavy, and lack multitouch support for it's touchscreen and requires a stylus and it retails for a whopping $1400.
Unofficially anything is possible. Heck you can run Mac OS X on non Apple hardware thanks to the Project OS X team.
the_game_master said:
Since when did the Prime have a ARM processor that's a cheap CPU found in netbooks.
Officially there will never be a Windows OS for Transformer Prime, ASUS already have a tablet on the market for Windows and it's the Eee Slate EP121, and like the other Windows tablets it's big, heavy, and lack multitouch support for it's touchscreen and requires a stylus and it retails for a whopping $1400.
Unofficially anything is possible. Heck you can run Mac OS X on non Apple hardware thanks to the Project OS X team.
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Lol are you joking? You are right?!
And no! There won't be ever a Windows 7 copy running on he Prime. Never!
am I joking no. but I'm not sure where ARM gets associate with Prime when it clearly shows in the specs that it has a Nvidia Tegra 3 Quad Core CPU.
My Palm Treo phone has a ARM processor and it's old and slow as ****.
The second part is true, Project OS X is basically a hacked version of Mac OS X that can run on non-Apple PC hardware.
the_game_master said:
am I joking no. but I'm not sure where ARM gets associate with Prime when it clearly shows in the specs that it has a Nvidia Tegra 3 Quad Core CPU.
My Palm Treo phone has a ARM processor and it's old and slow as ****.
The second part is true, Project OS X is basically a hacked version of Mac OS X that can run on non-Apple PC hardware.
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Oh wow... I guess you slept the last years...? Maybe get a read on mobile processors... They are all ARM based....
People really shouldn't try to argue about things they have no idea about...
And i know you can run OSX on non apple hardware. That doesn't change the fact that Windows 7 can't run at all on the Prime. Never!
Diamondback2010 said:
Oh wow... I guess you slept the last years...? Maybe get a read on mobile processors... They are all ARM based....
People really shouldn't try to argue about things they have no idea about...
And i know you can run OSX on non apple hardware. That doesn't change the fact that Windows 7 can't run at all on the Prime. Never!
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I'm not arguing. Sounds like you want to though.
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Plus who's to say that there won't be any virtual OS software made for Android that would allow you to install Windows onto it.
there would go that whole never be able to right there. Anything is possible.
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I'm not arguing. Sounds like you want to though.
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Plus who's to say that there won't be any virtual OS software made for Android that would allow you to install Windows onto it.
there would go that whole never be able to right there. Anything is possible.
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Because Windows 7 is made for x86/x64 processor architecture and not ARM.
There will be a extra super special version of Windows 8 written only for ARM processors
This version may run on the Prime. But not Windows 7.
If there was a way of running x86 code on ARM processors, Microsoft wouldn't rewrite Windows parts for the ARM architecture.
Get a read about processors architecture etc.
Diamondback2010 said:
Because Windows 7 is made for x86/x64 processor architecture and not ARM.
There will be a extra super special version of Windows 8 written only for ARM processors
This version may run on the Prime. But not Windows 7.
If there was a way of running x86 code on ARM processors, Microsoft wouldn't rewrite Windows parts for the ARM architecture.
Get a read about processors architecture etc.
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why are you continuing to go on about hardware compatibility when I clearly referred to software as far as anything's possible.
Please explain why the nVidia Tegra 3 cpu wouldn't be able to run Windows 7 in a virtual OS environment?
the_game_master said:
why are you continuing to go on about hardware compatibility when I clearly referred to software as far as anything's possible.
Please explain why the nVidia Tegra 3 cpu wouldn't be able to run Windows 7 in a virtual OS environment?
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Because you can't run x86/x64 code on ARM processors... I already said that.
It's the same for x86/x64 code... You can't run x64 code on a x86 processors.
That's why there are different x86 and x64 versions of e.g. Firefox.
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Because you can't run x86/x64 code on ARM processors... I already said that.
It's the same for x86/x64 code... You can't run x64 code on a x86 processors.
That's why there are different x86 and x64 versions of e.g. Firefox.
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yes you can run x86 code on ARM cpus, through emulation software. It can be done on some ARM devices out now.
Go lookup Bosch x86 emulator for ARM.
I would like to see an ARM processor try to emulate x86 architecture. Anyone who's ever tried looking for emulation software knows that emulation is slow as hell. While PCs are faster than both PS3s and Xbox 360s, are there emulators? No. Why? Because you need much more power to translate the architectures to something the processor understands. This is why x86, a large and powerful architecture will never run on ARM properly. Even Bosch's website says so:
1.9.5. Tell me about performance when running Bochs.
Because Bochs emulates every x86 instruction and all the devices in a PC system, it does not reach high emulation speeds.
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Or better, you could try emulation on a Prime. I'm sure you don't mind seeing how slow Tegra 3 can be
the_game_master said:
yes you can run x86 code on ARM cpus, through emulation software. It can be done on some ARM devices out now.
Go lookup Bosch x86 emulator for ARM.
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Yea, so show me this thing running on a Tegra 2/3 other modern ARM processor...
I haven't seen something like this on the site.
Apart from that the emulator doesn't seem to be compatible with Win7?
pandaball said:
I would like to see an ARM processor try to emulate x86 architecture. Anyone who's ever tried looking for emulation software knows that emulation is slow as hell. While PCs are faster than both PS3s and Xbox 360s, are there emulators? No. Why? Because you need much more power to translate the architectures to something the processor understands. This is why x86, a large and powerful architecture will never run on ARM properly. Even Bosch's website says so:
Or better, you could try emulation on a Prime. I'm sure you don't mind seeing how slow Tegra 3 can be
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I would mind boging it down lol. Doesn't seem like an easy task. Just wondering because this made me think about it. On Antutu, there is a prime that is oced. Why don't we have that
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That is probably a development Prime from Asus to see how the higher clocks impact performance and battery life, and it seems they feel that 1.3GHz (up to 1.4GHz under certain conditions) is the sweet spot.
pandaball said:
That is probably a development Prime from Asus to see how the higher clocks impact performance and battery life, and it seems they feel that 1.3GHz (up to 1.4GHz under certain conditions) is the sweet spot.
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ook. Thanks for answering that. and sorry OP for going off topic.
try running older versions of OSX (before apple switched to intel chips) on a PC and tell me anything is possible.
if you want to run win7 on your prime, use the remote desktop. it's going to be the only way you'll get there.
Very simple that's all I want to know. Only for certain features. Cuz I love my android.
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i hope no one answers you in this thread.
ever.
Windows 8 will eventually be on ARM processors, such as the Tegra 3. However, most likely the release date you hear for Win8 (October 2012) is only the release date for x86 and x64 versions of Win8. Also, it isn't very likely that classic Windows applications will run on ARM processors. People have been speculating that Microsoft will only allow "Metro" apps (those based on the new interface) on ARM devices. Android is the way to go at the moment.
I had to answer! I need to post 10 times before I can post in the developer section.
I won't for one be loading windows 8, going to give ubuntu a go though.
Yeah... I have been dreaming of the day I get my note sense I typed "tablet phone" into google this past January. In one of my random thoughts came my galaxy note dual booting ics and windows 8. I feel it would be amazing to just be able to use windows 8 in my car (maybe have windows on an sd card and Andy on the internal storage) and use the metro apps. But it would mostly be for the sake of saying I have windows 8 in my pocket. Is this possible? I know windows runs on arm now but I'm not sure if it will run on the arm 7 in the AT&T note. Thanks!
Ps. How do I do it if it's possible?
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I think it would be awesome! We'll probably see Ubuntu on it before anything else.
Wow, that would be cool, but unlikely.
Anyway, MS has being yapping about this for 10 years, about how the are going to embed Windows.
From what I remember, it will not run any normal Windows app, so what's the point?
If it ran Regular Windows apps it would crush IOS and Android, but it won't
(i'm pretty sure. Hope is fun though eh? )
well, Windows 8 is supposed to support ARM architecture, so it is technically a possibility. From what I have seen rumored however, the ARM capable W8 will only be available commercially and licenses will be strictly enforced. This makes me sad on the bright side, Im sure some employee somewhere will leak the ARM W8 for all to use. Whether or not it will be able to compile and be used on these kinds of devices is up in the air.
ARM Win8 comes with Office suite out of box. That's about most ppl uses a laptop today.
Other apps can easily be recompiled to support ARM. So given time, it won't be a problem.
Win8 is a closed source platform. Obtain source code is highly unlikely and illegal. So is porting win8 to any platform that is not officially licensed to.
foxbat121 said:
ARM Win8 comes with Office suite out of box. That's about most ppl uses a laptop today.
Other apps can easily be recompiled to support ARM. So given time, it won't be a problem.
Win8 is a closed source platform. Obtain source code is highly unlikely and illegal. So is porting win8 to any platform that is not officially licensed to.
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if windows 8 supports the galaxy note, wouldnt we be able to put it on there?
and what about the dev preview. just as a test. would that work?
I remember reading that WOA is only going to support Microsoft apps and won't support running, emulating or porting any x86/64 apps. Anybody know if that's definite?
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Orange_furball said:
if windows 8 supports the galaxy note, wouldnt we be able to put it on there?
and what about the dev preview. just as a test. would that work?
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It won't. Microsoft will require specialized hardware to use Win8 (very similar to what they did to Wp7). It already requires a UEFI secure boot on any arm tab and mandated that the devices loaded with Win8 can't dual boot Android. It's not something that you can install yourself. It requires a ROM build by OEMs.
Any public beta you will see release will be x86 version only. ARM tablet version will never be released to public even after release. OEM only.
Maroon Mushroom said:
I think it would be awesome! We'll probably see Ubuntu on it before anything else.
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will it be possible to dual boot Ubuntu and Android?
zoso28 said:
I remember reading that WOA is only going to support Microsoft apps and won't support running, emulating or porting any x86/64 apps. Anybody know if that's definite?
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It supports any app that compiles into ARM code, don't have to be Microsoft only app but x86 apps certainly won't work. Emulating x86 code on ARM is useless.
Metro apps also must be published through Marketplace. You can't install/sideload Metro apps.
Microsoft recently released a blog post about this. They do specify WOA (Windows on ARM) will not natively support x86[-64] programs, nor will they provide any support for running them; still, I can't see them trying to block third-party emulators.
WOA will also not be distributed as standalone software, so I think it _extremely_ unlikely that it will ever be ported to the Note. They state that the goal for WOA devices to be "integrated, end-to-end products that include hardware, firmware, and Windows on ARM software." So there is basically no chance of official support, and since MS won't be releasing the source for WOA, I don't really think it's possible.
teiglin said:
Microsoft recently released a blog post about this. They do specify WOA (Windows on ARM) will not natively support x86[-64] programs, nor will they provide any support for running them; still, I can't see them trying to block third-party emulators.
WOA will also not be distributed as standalone software, so I think it _extremely_ unlikely that it will ever be ported to the Note. They state that the goal for WOA devices to be "integrated, end-to-end products that include hardware, firmware, and Windows on ARM software." So there is basically no chance of official support, and since MS won't be releasing the source for WOA, I don't really think it's possible.
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well that was disappointing.
So i guess that answers my question. thanks
But it means Samsung could do it!
lte + vnc to win8 at home=win.
Here you go. Win8 "running" on G-Note via RDC.
Anybody considering installing Windows 8 on their Tablet S?
it won't work.
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Anybody considering installing Windows 8 on their Tablet S?
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Not me. I predict Windows 8 will experience the same level of success as did Windows 3.0, 95, Bob, ME, and Vista.
Windows 8 rt will only run on tabs that are specifically made for it.
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Windows 8 will not run, because it has not been developed for ARM processors, i doubt the tegra 2 will run it smoothly.
win 95 98 xp, should run very good though
ross231 said:
Windows 8 will not run, because it has not been developed for ARM processors, i doubt the tegra 2 will run it smoothly.
win 95 98 xp, should run very good though
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Actually it has been developed for ARM, hence why OP asked. But you're correct in that it won't run; its much like Android, each device needs a custom set of drivers and image developed for it and that only will happen for new devices with just Win8 on them. It's not like the desktop version which can be installed anywhere.
Windows 8 comes in two flavours, WinRT (which is an ARM-compatible version of Windows 8 which only includes Metro) and standard Windows 8 which is an x86-64 only image which includes legacy support. However, to run Windows 8 RT on an ARM device, it needs to be Windows certified. It then needs to run a Secure Boot (probably EFI-based) bootloader and must sign all of its boot sectors. I can be fairly confident that unless there are some pretty incredible leaps in development, we will never see Windows 8 RT on the Sony Tablet S.
Ironically, the hardware is not a problem. The Tegra 2 is an ARM processor, that conforms to all of the ARM Cortex guidelines. Our touchscreen controller is a common one and most of the other hardware (except for 3G equipment, and possibly the IR blaster) is either very common or already has device drivers that would make it theoretically possible to run Windows-style ARM images. Unfortunately, Windows 8 itself is the problem in this case.
Let's also not forget that Microsoft will only ever release Windows 8 RT pre-installed on signed-code OEM devices, making any sort of development or porting very very difficult.
Hi
Is there a chance to have windows 10 arm on our redmi5+ like on lumia950xl ?
It would be nice to have a phone with a secondary boot option for windows 10 arm.
I don't think so as it was barely "running" on snapdragon 835.
knot2006 said:
I don't think so as it was barely "running" on snapdragon 835.
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I m talking about windows 10 arm
inconnu29 said:
I m talking about windows 10 arm
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You mean Windows 10 Mobile ?
I guess it's possible but it's officially, a dead OS so I don't think any Dev would waste his time to do it.
https://linustechtips.com/main/topi...19-recommends-users-switch-to-ios-or-android/
knot2006 said:
You mean Windows 10 Mobile ?
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you need professional help
inconnu29 said:
you need professional help
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lmao
@knot2006, remember that some months ago Microsoft showcased Windows 10 (the full Windows OS) running on a ARM-based device with a Snapdragon 845. This means that, if powerful enough, an ARM device can run a full Windows desktop and maybe some other OSes like Linux distros.
Unfortunately for OP, vince's chipset is not powerful enough to run Win10 ARM decently.
moralesnery said:
lmao
@knot2006, remember that some months ago Microsoft showcased Windows 10 (the full Windows OS) running on a ARM-based device with a Snapdragon 845. This means that, if powerful enough, an ARM device can run a full Windows desktop and maybe some other OSes like Linux distros.
Unfortunately for OP, vince's chipset is not powerful enough to run Win10 ARM decently.
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You can run linux in a pentium 1, so why not on a smartphone? I dont think there will be power limitations.
moralesnery said:
lmao
@knot2006, remember that some months ago Microsoft showcased Windows 10 (the full Windows OS) running on a ARM-based device with a Snapdragon 845. This means that, if powerful enough, an ARM device can run a full Windows desktop and maybe some other OSes like Linux distros.
Unfortunately for OP, vince's chipset is not powerful enough to run Win10 ARM decently.
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Read my first post where I mentioned that it was bearly running on a way more powerful SoC so it might be hard to get it running on Snap 625
josedb said:
You can run linux in a pentium 1, so why not on a smartphone? I dont think there will be power limitations.
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Windows is not a Linux my dude, while Linux and it's kernel are very modular Windows is not especially Windows 10 and we are already running Linux as Android is a flavor of it.