Fast charging USB C PD power banks? - Huawei Mate 10 Questions & Answers

Fast charging USB C PD power banks? - Huawei Mate 10 Questions & Answers

I bought this power bank: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LRQDAEI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Unfortunately, it doesn't fast charge my Mate 10 Pro. I have a USB C PD car charger and wall charger, both of which work fine and fast charge properly. (Tried multiple cables too). I'm wondering if there's some negotiation issue because this power bank has a bidirectional USB C port (i.e. you also charge the power bank via USB C).
I'm gonna try this one next: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075NXR2T4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Anyone know of a USB C PD power bank that works?

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Hmm those would indeed probably work. I'm really looking for something that supports USB PD so it will work with all my other devices though...

The Mate 10 pro is not USB PD compliant.
You can kind of "quick charge" it by using a non standard charging protocol, like 9V 1,5A, but truly "supercharger" at 5V 5A, only with a Huawei supercharger device / cable.
So probably the other chargers you have support other proprietary 10 and 15w solutions that your power bank doesn't.

Luinwethion said:
The Mate 10 pro is not USB PD compliant.
You can kind of "quick charge" it by using a non standard charging protocol, like 9V 1,5A, but truly "supercharger" at 5V 5A, only with a Huawei supercharger device / cable.
So probably the other chargers you have support other proprietary 10 and 15w solutions that your power bank doesn't.
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So I ended up buying a USB C power meter. Despite the phone not supporting USB PD, as you claim, it negotiates 16W (9Vx1.8A) from all four charging devices I've tried. But for some reason the power banks don't activate fast charging, while the chargers do... I'm not sure where all the current is going, if not the battery.
FWIW, ugreen seems to think USB PD is supported: https://www.ugreen.com/news/186-en.html

kaysond said:
So I ended up buying a USB C power meter. Despite the phone not supporting USB PD, as you claim, it negotiates 16W (9Vx1.8A) from all four charging devices I've tried. But for some reason the power banks don't activate fast charging, while the chargers do... I'm not sure where all the current is going, if not the battery.
FWIW, ugreen seems to think USB PD is supported: https://www.ugreen.com/news/186-en.html
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Luinwethion said:
You can kind of "quick charge" it by using a non standard charging protocol, like 9V 1,5A, but truly "supercharger" at 5V 5A, only with a Huawei supercharger device / cable.
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I never said that the Mate wouldn't charge a faster rates, I said it isn't PD compliant, if it was USB-PD compliant, you'd get 22W.
Most chargers / power bank have compatibility for the until now used "broken" quick charging protocols, just because most devices don't support PD as of right now.
I wished the Mate would have support for PD, this would also mean fast charging and data stream at the same time (by using a dock), but try and plugging a dock that's USB-PD compliant (like the many found for the MacBooks) and plug a USB device or a HDMI cable and charging speeds drops significantly.

Luinwethion said:
I never said that the Mate wouldn't charge a faster rates, I said it isn't PD compliant, if it was USB-PD compliant, you'd get 22W.
Most chargers / power bank have compatibility for the until now used "broken" quick charging protocols, just because most devices don't support PD as of right now.
I wished the Mate would have support for PD, this would also mean fast charging and data stream at the same time (by using a dock), but try and plugging a dock that's USB-PD compliant (like the many found for the MacBooks) and plug a USB device or a HDMI cable and charging speeds drops significantly.
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What makes you think it doesn't support PD? It's obviously negotiating power somehow, and the cable I used doesn't have the D+/D- pins, so it would have to be using some other protocol over USB C...
Also none of this really explains why it's drawing 1.8A off 9V from the power banks, but not fast charging.

kaysond said:
What makes you think it doesn't support PD? It's obviously negotiating power somehow, and the cable I used doesn't have the D+/D- pins, so it would have to be using some other protocol over USB C...
Also none of this really explains why it's drawing 1.8A off 9V from the power banks, but not fast charging.
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To make terminology clear, we are talking about USB-PD rev. 2, the one found in th Pixel, MacBook, and others right? Not rev 1 or the USB battery charging protocol, those are basically outdated.
Because I see you're using a modified cable and PD rev2 needs a USB-C to C compliant cable, the specifications calls for 4 power & ground pairs and a separated communication bus.
That's why USB-PD rev2 cannot be served via USB-A plug.
Well, why do I say the Mate 10 is not PD compliant, well, take a PD compliant charger, cable and dock, connect it all to the Mate 10 and watch it either charge a 0,5mAh rate or the phone go crazy it will recognize a charger, then say it's disconnected, then say it's connected again, and so on in a continuous loop.
A USB-PD compliant device is able to handle fast charging, data and video output all at one.
I've tested this with various combination of docks, cables and chargers, and none worked... Intimation online is though to find, Huawei's official statement is "our phone supports the best, fastest, safest....." Bla bla bla....
Since most PD rev2 chargers are backwards compatible, you can use them to charge your phone just not at the "optimum rate"... 9v 2A (ish) is the last generation (Huawei P9) Huawei fast charge, and it's mostly the same profile as the Samsung fast charging, QC 2.0 and some other variants, the Mate 10 supports it too at this theoretical of 18W (although I suppose that the speed will be much slower).
The optimum "supercharger speed" is 4.5V 5A, and it's not a standard at all, that's why only Huawei chargers will be able to provide it, I also suppose that there is a lock preventing users from use the dash charger power brick for example.
But back on track, when you said that your phone is not Fast charging, I supposed that you meant that the phone was charging at a really low rate, but is it? I mean what's the difference that you are seeing between your power bank and the other chargers?
Have you tried using a USB-C to C cable from your power bank?

Luinwethion said:
To make terminology clear, we are talking about USB-PD rev. 2, the one found in th Pixel, MacBook, and others right? Not rev 1 or the USB battery charging protocol, those are basically outdated.
Because I see you're using a modified cable and PD rev2 needs a USB-C to C compliant cable, the specifications calls for 4 power & ground pairs and a separated communication bus.
That's why USB-PD rev2 cannot be served via USB-A plug.
Well, why do I say the Mate 10 is not PD compliant, well, take a PD compliant charger, cable and dock, connect it all to the Mate 10 and watch it either charge a 0,5mAh rate or the phone go crazy it will recognize a charger, then say it's disconnected, then say it's connected again, and so on in a continuous loop.
A USB-PD compliant device is able to handle fast charging, data and video output all at one.
I've tested this with various combination of docks, cables and chargers, and none worked... Intimation online is though to find, Huawei's official statement is "our phone supports the best, fastest, safest....." Bla bla bla....
Since most PD rev2 chargers are backwards compatible, you can use them to charge your phone just not at the "optimum rate"... 9v 2A (ish) is the last generation (Huawei P9) Huawei fast charge, and it's mostly the same profile as the Samsung fast charging, QC 2.0 and some other variants, the Mate 10 supports it too at this theoretical of 18W (although I suppose that the speed will be much slower).
The optimum "supercharger speed" is 4.5V 5A, and it's not a standard at all, that's why only Huawei chargers will be able to provide it, I also suppose that there is a lock preventing users from use the dash charger power brick for example.
But back on track, when you said that your phone is not Fast charging, I supposed that you meant that the phone was charging at a really low rate, but is it? I mean what's the difference that you are seeing between your power bank and the other chargers?
Have you tried using a USB-C to C cable from your power bank?
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Correct. I'm talking about USB PD 2.0. That's interesting, because I don't see the same behavior you're talking about. I wonder if you have a different model? Mine is BLA-A09
All of my charging devices are proper USB C, and support PD 2.0, and I used a marked 100W certified USB C cable. I later used a cable without D+/D- pins to test if its negotiating power using something other than USB PD. Behavior was the same.
This is what I sent to Huawei, and they basically told me the phone is optimized for their own charger. The problem is that despite negotiating, and drawing the same power from all chargers, with the power banks, it does not go into fast charge mode, which you can see from the different charging icon and the longer time to charge.
Device: Nekteck Wall Charger
Link: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0721KG2Q7/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Maximum Output Power: 65W
Power Delivered to Mate 10 Pro: 9.07V * 1.82A = 16.51W (https://i.imgur.com/ryDJuS0.jpg)
Charging State: Fast Charging (https://i.imgur.com/OYyQ5qK.jpg)
Device: RAVPower 26800mAH Power Bank
Link: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LRQDAEI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Maximum Output Power: 30W
Power Delivered to Mate 10 Pro: 9.09V * 1.82A = 16.54W (https://i.imgur.com/8N42dyd.jpg)
Charging State: Regular Charging (https://i.imgur.com/mz9XHz1.jpg)
Device: iMuto 20100mAH Power Bank
Link: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075NXR2T4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Maximum Output Power: 45W
Power Delivered to Mate 10 Pro: 8.98V * 1.82A = 16.34W (https://i.imgur.com/hbUTmYD.jpg)
Charging State: Regular Charging (https://i.imgur.com/364ADEe.jpg)
Device: Nekteck Car Charger
Link: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075WQQG7C/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Maximum Output Power: 45W
Power Delivered to Mate 10 Pro: ~16.5W
Charging State: Fast Charging
(Saitech Power Meter: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MT8MC3N/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

kaysond said:
Correct. I'm talking about USB PD 2.0. That's interesting, because I don't see the same behavior you're talking about. I wonder if you have a different model? Mine is BLA-A09
All of my charging devices are proper USB C, and support PD 2.0, and I used a marked 100W certified USB C cable. I later used a cable without D+/D- pins to test if its negotiating power using something other than USB PD. Behavior was the same.
This is what I sent to Huawei, and they basically told me the phone is optimized for their own charger. The problem is that despite negotiating, and drawing the same power from all chargers, with the power banks, it does not go into fast charge mode, which you can see from the different charging icon and the longer time to charge.
Device: Nekteck Wall Charger
Link: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0721KG2Q7/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Maximum Output Power: 65W
Power Delivered to Mate 10 Pro: 9.07V * 1.82A = 16.51W (https://i.imgur.com/ryDJuS0.jpg)
Charging State: Fast Charging (https://i.imgur.com/OYyQ5qK.jpg)
Device: RAVPower 26800mAH Power Bank
Link: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LRQDAEI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Maximum Output Power: 30W
Power Delivered to Mate 10 Pro: 9.09V * 1.82A = 16.54W (https://i.imgur.com/8N42dyd.jpg)
Charging State: Regular Charging (https://i.imgur.com/mz9XHz1.jpg)
Device: iMuto 20100mAH Power Bank
Link: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075NXR2T4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Maximum Output Power: 45W
Power Delivered to Mate 10 Pro: 8.98V * 1.82A = 16.34W (https://i.imgur.com/hbUTmYD.jpg)
Charging State: Regular Charging (https://i.imgur.com/364ADEe.jpg)
Device: Nekteck Car Charger
Link: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075WQQG7C/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Maximum Output Power: 45W
Power Delivered to Mate 10 Pro: ~16.5W
Charging State: Fast Charging
(Saitech Power Meter: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MT8MC3N/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
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Ah clear, the iconography is a bit different on my device, must be just a firmware difference.
Your phone is drawing the same amount of power mostly, the charging rate should be very similar.
What about something like ampere or accu battery to check the estimated charging rate?
There are specialized devices for checking the negotiation between both devices, I suppose that it's just a question of a different chipset not triggering the fast charging status in de kernel.
Ps: my phone charges normally, I just that when connected to a dock, sadly it can't charge at more than 2,5W (at most 4w), because it isn't compatible with the newest standard that allows for double role data and power.

Luinwethion said:
Ah clear, the iconography is a bit different on my device, must be just a firmware difference.
Your phone is drawing the same amount of power mostly, the charging rate should be very similar.
What about something like ampere or accu battery to check the estimated charging rate?
There are specialized devices for checking the negotiation between both devices, I suppose that it's just a question of a different chipset not triggering the fast charging status in de kernel.
Ps: my phone charges normally, I just that when connected to a dock, sadly it can't charge at more than 2,5W (at most 4w), because it isn't compatible with the newest standard that allows for double role data and power.
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Good suggestion. I used accu battery and compared charging between battery and wall charger for 5min at around the same battery %. They're charging at exactly the same rate. So it's just some kind of UI bug that's showing the wrong icon and charge time... Now how do I get them to fix it?
That is a bummer that dual power+data is not supported!

There was a Chinese website which published some USB PD charging tests with the Huawei Mate 10. 28 different chargers were tested. I can't recall the URL offhand.
IIRC, general conclusion from their tests was that the Mate 10 could draw 9V 2A from most USB PD chargers. And that the Mate 10 only accepts 9V input voltage for USB PD fast charging.
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questions concerning dash cables

Do we know for sure why it is that dash charging only works work the dash cable. Is it a DRM issue or a design element that needs to be licensed.
I'm not too stressed out because I plan to use a standard usb c cable for overnight charging but I am curious what is actually going on inside this charger.
I am quite familiar with OP official response concerning the matter, but given their track record of non answers, I'm assuming this situation is no different.
In other words I am curious what stops a company from releasing a cable that would in fact work. Possibly with the addition of some end user kernel changes. I understand this would be slightly impractical for a large company like Aukey or Anker to release a cable for one phone (that people could not use straight out of the box) however, my curiosity is still there

https://www.androidcentral.com/dash-charge has a good article on this.
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Also, supposedly it's the same tech as http://www.oppo.com/en/technology/vooc - and anything "VOOC" branded will provide the same "dash charge" speeds.

Dougshell said:
Do we know for sure why it is that dash charging only works work the dash cable. Is it a DRM issue or a design element that needs to be licensed.
I'm not too stressed out because I plan to use a standard usb c cable for overnight charging but I am curious what is actually going on inside this charger.
I am quite familiar with OP official response concerning the matter, but given their track record of non answers, I'm assuming this situation is no different.
In other words I am curious what stops a company from releasing a cable that would in fact work. Possibly with the addition of some end user kernel changes. I understand this would be slightly impractical for a large company like Aukey or Anker to release a cable for one phone (that people could not use straight out of the box) however, my curiosity is still there
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Simple Answer to this is the proprietary high amp usb type c cable which is supplied with the stock 5v 4amp power brick work well hand in hand, it is the way Oneplus has made this..one cannot work without the other so it is packaged deal..take it or leave..unless you are willing to compromise DASH Charge you can use any other type C cable and power brick adaptor

On a standard type-c (USB 3.1) cable connected to my PC, the phone slow charges. My other devices fast charge on this cable.
The other devices slow charge when connected to Dash cable and charger.
It leads me to think some very non-standards conforming USB tech is going on in the Dash gear, enough to make Benson Leung sick to his stomach. This isn't new to OnePlus, see https://plus.google.com/+BensonLeung/posts/JmcU4rA1csh
My advice would be to never use Dash gear with other devices.

Elnrik said:
It leads me to think some very non-standards conforming USB tech is going on in the Dash gear, enough to make Benson Leung sick to his stomach. This isn't new to OnePlus, see https://plus.google.com/+BensonLeung/posts/JmcU4rA1csh
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AFAIK this non-compliance thing has been there only in the first shipped cables and was fixed later on. So today's devices (this is already 2 years ago) should be compatible to USB standards and therefore other devices should load their battery at normal speed (not dash-speed) with the dash cables and dash plugs.

tobby88 said:
AFAIK this non-compliance thing has been there only in the first shipped cables and was fixed later on. So today's devices (this is already 2 years ago) should be compatible to USB standards and therefore other devices should load their battery at normal speed (not dash-speed) with the dash cables and dash plugs.
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Should, but I don't think it is. Q: why would the OP5 not fast charge over a normal type-c connection if it were standards compliant? Answer: it doesn't comply with standards.

Elnrik said:
Should, but I don't think it is. Q: why would the OP5 not fast charge over a normal type-c connection if it were standards compliant? Answer: it doesn't comply with standards.
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Amswer: OP5 doenst support any other quick charge methods (aka. QC 2.0/3.0, Adaptive Charging, Super Charging etc). It only supports normal charge or dash charge (& Vooc as dash is based on Vooc).
Also you should remember that different phones shows differently charging methods. Example Oneplus can maybe show normal 2A slow and Samsung as normal charge. Nexus 6P will show regular 3A charging as fast charging, Oneplus shows it regular charge.
For me if i use other C-cables (non-Dash charge one) it shows just "charging".
Regarding to Benson case... Original OP2 cable was non-standard. It didnt contain regular 56ohm thing. Oneplus fixed it later and dash charge cable is using standard things and also only for 3/3T/5 dash charge properties. For other phone you can use it without problems like use it to charge QC3.0 phones etc.
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zige said:
Amswer: OP5 doenst support any other quick charge methods (aka. QC 2.0/3.0, Adaptive Charging, Super Charging etc). It only supports normal charge or dash charge (& Vooc as dash is based on Vooc).
Also you should remember that different phones shows differently charging methods. Example Oneplus can maybe show normal 2A slow and Samsung as normal charge. Nexus 6P will show regular 3A charging as fast charging, Oneplus shows it regular charge.
For me if i use other C-cables (non-Dash charge one) it shows just "charging".
Regarding to Benson case... Original OP2 cable was non-standard. It didnt contain regular 56ohm thing. Oneplus fixed it later and dash charge cable is using standard things and also only for 3/3T/5 dash charge properties. For other phone you can use it without problems like use it to charge QC3.0 phones etc.
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My point isn't so much about the cable as it is the device itself. It is a USB type-c device that doesn't conform to type-c USB standards.
There will be a plethora of usb-c ports on computers and chargers going forward. They are included on every new model of Apple, PC motherboard, and OEM PC - so type-c adoption is there and real. By ignoring these standards and producing a product with a proprietary design they are ostracizing their devices, and by extension their users, from simple and convenient charging methods. It ensures lots of sales of Dash chargers though.
It's a **** move straight from the Apple playbook. Apple made billions from the 30 pin to lightning connector change, and they will do it again with the lightning to Type-C change.
This Oppo/OP Dash charger isn't something consumers should be championing. It's not something Oppo/OP should be forcing on consumers either.

Elnrik said:
Should, but I don't think it is. Q: why would the OP5 not fast charge over a normal type-c connection if it were standards compliant? Answer: it doesn't comply with standards.
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I don't think your statement is accurate, the newer USB C Power Delivery specs allows voltages up to 20 volts and amperages up to 5 amps, the dash charger specs use 5 volts on 4 amps, well within USB C PD specs. The fact that their technology is proprietary does not mean it's not standards compliant.
There is also the very important difference between voltage and amperage, voltage is pushed to devices so it's always important that what you are using within the voltage required by the device. Amperage on the other hand is pulled by the device so the charger will allow the device to pull as much amperage as it needs as long as it doesn't go over it's own capacity. Think about your standard US outlet, it works at 120 Volts and at either 15 to 20 amps, you can connect as many 120V devices to it as long as you don't exceed its amperage.
That being said, the reason other usb cables don't work on the dash charger block is because the usb A side probably has different resistors, One + cables probably have higher resistors than regular, run of the mill usb C-A cables. That was the issue with the first cables that came out a few years ago, they had pull-up resistors with the wrong Ohm rating.
Here is a link to a PDF file explaining USB C Power Specs, keep in mind though that the eventual idea is to only use USB C-C cables and not the USB C-A cables that are the cause of so much headaches.

HueleSnaiL said:
I don't think your statement is accurate, the newer USB C Power Delivery specs allows voltages up to 20 volts and amperages up to 5 amps, the dash charger specs use 5 volts on 4 amps, well within USB C PD specs. The fact that their technology is proprietary does not mean it's not standards compliant.
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The listed power specs are only half the picture. The negotiation between devices is critical in getting those power numbers. That a OP5 can't draw above 900mA on a fully compliant 3.1 cable from a PD capable Type-C port shows it's not compliant. Its not negotiating power draw the way a standard Type-C device should.
And yes, I've already read all the spec docs. Thanks though.

Elnrik said:
The listed power specs are only half the picture. The negotiation between devices is critical in getting those power numbers. That a OP5 can't draw above 900mA on a fully compliant 3.1 cable from a PD capable Type-C port shows it's not compliant. Its not negotiating power draw the way a standard Type-C device should.
And yes, I've already read all the spec docs. Thanks though.
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The phone itself doesn't have to comply to anything, the chargers and cables do since they are the ones providing the charge. The standards are there to determine thresholds on how much and how little current they can work with. The circuitry on the phone and battery are the ones who tell the charger how much current they need to charge the battery without warming it too much or overcharging it. Different combinations of chargers and cables will give you a lot of different charging speeds but that's because there are so many chargers and cables with different ratings that devices err on the side of caution when they can't recognize the charger that it's being plugged into them. It's kind of a unfortunate thing that companies like Motorola, Huawei, OnePlus and Qualcomm use different charging specs but all of them work within the 15 to 20 watts of power for fast charging, so it's not a really big difference.
The reason for the difference in charging speeds between the dash charger/cable and other chargers is that 1 + charger offloads the current regulation to the charger itself rather than leaving current regulation to the phone, like other fast charging devices, that's why 1 + phones fast charge at cooler temperatures than other fast charging technologies.
Now, why your phone doesn't go above 900mA on a regular cable is beyond me, the first photo I attached is of my phone connected to the dash charger via this cable and the second one is of the same cable connected to this wall outlet.

Elnrik said:
Should, but I don't think it is. Q: why would the OP5 not fast charge over a normal type-c connection if it were standards compliant? Answer: it doesn't comply with standards.
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That's a fallacy. To comply with the standards does not mean, that everything is exactly the same. The USB-standard is a little bit more complex than just "pin 1 of one end has to be connected to pin 1 of the other end". The USB-standard defines what is allowed, so no devices will get damaged and to ensure a "minimum" data and power connectivity of let's say at least USB 2.0.
That's what these cables and chargers offer: They don't violate the USB standards. They allow a data connection with USB 2.0 also for non OP-devices. They also allow "normal power" (5V 500mA). They don't damage other devices. They just "work" as they should. But they offer "additional extras" (dash charging) when all three parts (charger, cable, phone) are compatible.
So they comply with the standards while offering additional features and that means, that other cables/chargers, which also comply with the standards but don't offer the extras, won't be able to dash charge.

Anyone tried to see whether using the oneplus cables on QC devices + QC wall plug supports Quick Charging?

I get 2a off my 3a rated PD c to c cables and 38w PD charger.
The only PD compatible android chipset I know of is made by mediatek at present.

USB C - HDMI Cable for mate 10 & PRO

Hello,
I have found this comment about the cable :
Note: I tested PC mode with a USB Type-C to HDMI cable I bought on Amazon. Because the Mate 10 and Mate 10 Pro support USB 3.1 it’s technically possible that you can screen share to a monitor and charge the device at the same time. I asked Anker if a powered USB hub with HDMI support like this would work, but they said it depends on wiring and whether a hub has been designed to communicate with the Mate 10 or not. I also asked Huawei for clarification, and they have vowed to get back to me on the specifics of what to look out for in a compatible hub. I’ll update the review as more information comes in. Thanks to Bram Peeters for raising this issue.
Source : https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-mate-10-pro-review-807465/
Is there a HUAWEI reference for this cable ?
Does it need to be HDCP compatible, with Netflix eg ?
Best regards

Hi Pascal... I already tried the desktop mode. Technically any type-c to hdmi adapter should work. I'm using this: https://www.incipio.com/chargers/usb-c/usb-c-digital-av-multiport-adapter.html ... and I added an HDMI to VGA cable adapter because there's a VGA cabled monitor at home that's not in use.
My current setup:
** Mate 10
** Incipio 3-port AV adapter
++ Logitech 2 in 1 wireless combo (keyboard and mouse using 1 usb dongle) attached to the 3-port adapter
++ Charger attached to the type-c port
** HDMI to VGA adapter
** monitor
Works without any issues except that the charger cannot push enough power to actually charge the phone. It still drops so probably from 80% you have a good 2 hours average of desktop mode time to perform stuff. I am thinking of getting a DELL type-c to hdmi adapter (just a simple hdmi adapter no extra ports) for playing games.

I got myself a Macbook usb 3.1 dongle ( Lmao ) and i can't seem to push power fast enough to charge my phone, it helps though, having power in drains the battery slower than having no power in

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I got myself a Macbook usb 3.1 dongle ( Lmao ) and i can't seem to push power fast enough to charge my phone, it helps though, having power in drains the battery slower than having no power in
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In fact, few months ago, i was looking for a USB C HUB (With or not HDMI, Ethernet) with power delivery,
for an ACER SWITCH V10 (2017), to connect many external USB HDD and KEYS.
I have found many products on Amazon.
And these products (USB C HUB) like EgoIggo HUB USB C (GN30E) on Amazon, could be fully adapted
with a Mate 10 PRO. Some of them are too Mac OS X or/and Windows compatible, with or not drivers.
Look the description :
[Multi-operation] 3 USB 3.0 ports, 2 Card Readers for SD and micro SD, 1 HDMI Slot, 1 RJ45 Eternet Port and 1 USB Type-C Charging Port. Compatible with new devices equipped with a Type-C USB port.
[High transfer speed] With a data rate of up to 5 Gbps, the three USB 3.0 ports allow you to connect your keyboard, mouse, USB flash drive and external hard drive to the laptop. An SD player and a micro SD player support SD / SDHC / SDXC cards up to 2 TB. An HDMI slot that supports resolutions up to 4K. An RJ45 Ethernet port allows a super-fast internet network up to 1Gbits / s, but also backwards compatible with 10 / 100Mbps
[Unique Design] This Hub is very small and thin, but robust, whose connection cable is properly flexible, which makes the connection very stable. This elegant aluminum-shaped design perfectly matches the style and color of MackBook and MackBook Pro.
[Power Delivery] USB-C Power Delivery (PD) for Macbook Macmini and other USB-C devices, capable of simultaneously transferring data and charging devices.
[Ultra Portable] This hub is packed with a small box of cardboard and well protected by a nice cover that prevents it from scratching your mackbook. Incredibly compact size and very practical to carry everywhere.
Best regards

404ErrorUsernameNotFound said:
I got myself a Macbook usb 3.1 dongle ( Lmao ) and i can't seem to push power fast enough to charge my phone, it helps though, having power in drains the battery slower than having no power in
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same concern with the incipio that I'm currently using.
From what I see, it will just drain the battery however we use it. Probably faster if we use the same adapter as Pascal's find. If I have the chance I will test Huawei's adapters (they have a different brand of adapter here in the Philippines) - I can try and borrow: see if it CAN push the power enough to charge the phone. But I'm already assuming that it won't.
Given the fact that the type-c port provides 100% of what it's supposed to run on desktop mode, powering the adapter.. powering whatever usb device is plugged in, that power requirement is the one that needs to be addressed.
But overall not bad for a phone especially when you can still use the phone while working on desktop mode. We can't do work on the phone of course but just enough to get a few things done with a screen and keyboard/mouse combo...

Well according to some German website it's stated that the Mate 10 is Compatible with USB [email protected]*2A so we might need to get a USB PD compatible charger to hopefully gain more juice than using draining the battery slowly

404ErrorUsernameNotFound said:
Well according to some German website it's stated that the Mate 10 is Compatible with USB [email protected]*2A so we might need to get a USB PD compatible charger to hopefully gain more juice than using draining the battery slowly
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probably if we use an adapter with a type-c slot going to the type-c port of the hdmi/type-c adapter....
I was looking at the Tronsmart multiport charger I think. It has a type-c port so you can use a type-c to type-c cable... BUT it only pushes out as fast charge on the mate 9... so of course that's also a fast charge on the mate 10... BUT again, that's if we plug the phone directly to the charger... would that be a different case if we plug it to the hdmi adapter? I'm actually planning to buy it.. just so I have a multiport adapter especially when out and about. This one says Power Delivery.. probably I'll grab this thing by end of the month and the type-c end to end cable...
http://www.tronsmart.com/products/tronsmart-u5p-60w-usb-pd-desktop-charger-with-voltiq
hopefully I can report back as soon as I get it.
current dilemma is we have a super charge adapter... and yet it's not pushing enough juice... hopefully the type-c type-c scenario works so we won't have draining issues...

***** UPDATE *****
CORRECTION ON THE BRAND...
I was referring to Anker and yes the idea for Power Delivery appears to work.
https://www.anker.com/products/variant/PowerPort%2B-5-Ports-USB-C-/A2053111
Still using my desktop mode original setup:
Mate 10 - Incipio 3-port adapter (type-c/hdmi/regular usb) - hdmi to vga adapter (vga cable LED monitor) - TYPE-C to TYPE-C cable going to the new Anker desktop charger (type-c port is Power Delivery capable) ....
Phone shows FAST CHARGING instead of just charging...
https://imgur.com/a/V7qII
Started around 68% now I'm at 74%. So I guess that should be the solution. Just grab a PD (power delivery) capable charger. The one from Tronsmart should work without issues as well.
Cheers guys!:good:

Baseus O HUB Type-C multi-function converter Adapter
Hi, I'm using a mate 10 and I've just bought a Baseus O HUB Type-C multi-function converter Adapter (HDMI + Type-c charging port + USB3.0). Can't seems to get it to work (PC mode or mirror) when connected to HDMI (tried on Panasonic LED TV & Toshiba projector).
Wireless mouse and keyboard working and phone is charging when I've plug in the charger to the hub. Is there any setting that I've missed?

Regarding Desktop mode: I bought an adapter and successfully connected my mate 10 to an HD TV, but the resolution is low, does it depend on the TV, the cable, the adapter or there is a way to set the desktop mode resolution? I haven't found it ...

drkprd said:
CORRECTION ON THE BRAND...
I was referring to Anker and yes the idea for Power Delivery appears to work.
https://www.anker.com/products/variant/PowerPort%2B-5-Ports-USB-C-/A2053111
Still using my desktop mode original setup:
Mate 10 - Incipio 3-port adapter (type-c/hdmi/regular usb) - hdmi to vga adapter (vga cable LED monitor) - TYPE-C to TYPE-C cable going to the new Anker desktop charger (type-c port is Power Delivery capable) ....
Phone shows FAST CHARGING instead of just charging...
https://imgur.com/a/V7qII
Started around 68% now I'm at 74%. So I guess that should be the solution. Just grab a PD (power delivery) capable charger. The one from Tronsmart should work without issues as well.
Cheers guys!:good:
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so standard Mate 10 Pro charger (which says fast charging when plugged into phone) doesnt fast charge the phone when connected to the USB Hub. But youre saying if i buy this Anker charger my phone will fast charge when connected to a USB hub?
What is the exact spec of that Anker charger that makes it different to the Huawei charger in the box? Sorry for confusion, thanks in advance.

pixielott46 said:
so standard Mate 10 Pro charger (which says fast charging when plugged into phone) doesnt fast charge the phone when connected to the USB Hub. But youre saying if i buy this Anker charger my phone will fast charge when connected to a USB hub?
What is the exact spec of that Anker charger that makes it different to the Huawei charger in the box? Sorry for confusion, thanks in advance.
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Anker desktop charger that I'm using: https://www.anker.com/products/variant/PowerPort%2B-5-Ports-USB-C-/A2053111
It has Power Delivery - which powers most usb-c devices nowadays especially Macs and other Google devices if I got that correct.
The description has this:
USB Type-C, Premium 5-Port 60W USB Wall Charger with Power Delivery for Apple MacBook, Nexus 5X / 6P and PowerIQ for iPhone, iPad, Samsung & More
The stock charger will definitely work without problems IF DIRECTLY attached to the phone but this time we have an external device - the multi-port hdmi/type-c/usb adapter. Yes it has a type-c port included and you can attach the stock charger but from my experience especially with the Incipio adapter, it requires more "push" because the stock charger just slows down the drain when using desktop mode. It does not increase the phone's battery juice while in use.
:angel:
** Also, Huawei stock supercharger adapter pushes 22.5W of power BUT ONLY if connected directly to phone. Power delivery pushes 29W of power REGARDLESS of which device it's connected to. The Huawei charger is also picky so it might not be using all 22.5W if connected to an in-between adapter.

drkprd said:
Anker desktop charger that I'm using: https://www.anker.com/products/variant/PowerPort%2B-5-Ports-USB-C-/A2053111
It has Power Delivery - which powers most usb-c devices nowadays especially Macs and other Google devices if I got that correct.
The description has this:
USB Type-C, Premium 5-Port 60W USB Wall Charger with Power Delivery for Apple MacBook, Nexus 5X / 6P and PowerIQ for iPhone, iPad, Samsung & More
The stock charger will definitely work without problems IF DIRECTLY attached to the phone but this time we have an external device - the multi-port hdmi/type-c/usb adapter. Yes it has a type-c port included and you can attach the stock charger but from my experience especially with the Incipio adapter, it requires more "push" because the stock charger just slows down the drain when using desktop mode. It does not increase the phone's battery juice while in use.
:angel:
** Also, Huawei stock supercharger adapter pushes 22.5W of power BUT ONLY if connected directly to phone. Power delivery pushes 29W of power REGARDLESS of which device it's connected to. The Huawei charger is also picky so it might not be using all 22.5W if connected to an in-between adapter.
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hi, thanks for your detailed reply. the edit with the wattage is especially useful. one last question. Does the Anker charger "fast-charge" the huawei mate 10 pro when connected directly? or just standard usb charging?
If yes, i will replace my huawei official charger with this anker one. handy that it has some usb ports as well so i can charge my bicycle lights overnight etc as well
thanks in advance for the further information

pixielott46 said:
hi, thanks for your detailed reply. the edit with the wattage is especially useful. one last question. Does the Anker charger "fast-charge" the huawei mate 10 pro when connected directly? or just standard usb charging?
If yes, i will replace my huawei official charger with this anker one. handy that it has some usb ports as well so i can charge my bicycle lights overnight etc as well
thanks in advance for the further information
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that's one of the things I actually was surprised with and didn't really expect...really good news for us because it does!! The phone registers FAST CHARGING even if I have "everything" connected for desktop mode.
* phone + incipio type-c hdmi usb combo
* incipio + hdmi-vga converter
* vga converter + vga led monitor
* Anker multi-port with type-c power delivery + anker type-c to type-c cord ..... connected to the incipio
** and a recent addition: since the incipio only has 1 regular USB port, I bought a 4-port usb hub... connected it to the incipio so that basically splits 1 into 4 usb ports... I attached my wireless keyboard/mouse combo and my Western Digital 1 Terabyte external HDD...... NO PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER.... haha!.. phone still chargers UP with fast charging indication...
Now I guess I have a full working desktop system with the mate 10
(I'm using the regular mate 10 but I guess that shouldn't affect the charge input/output)

drkprd said:
that's one of the things I actually was surprised with and didn't really expect...really good news for us because it does!! The phone registers FAST CHARGING even if I have "everything" connected for desktop mode.
* phone + incipio type-c hdmi usb combo
* incipio + hdmi-vga converter
* vga converter + vga led monitor
* Anker multi-port with type-c power delivery + anker type-c to type-c cord ..... connected to the incipio
** and a recent addition: since the incipio only has 1 regular USB port, I bought a 4-port usb hub... connected it to the incipio so that basically splits 1 into 4 usb ports... I attached my wireless keyboard/mouse combo and my Western Digital 1 Terabyte external HDD...... NO PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER.... haha!.. phone still chargers UP with fast charging indication...
Now I guess I have a full working desktop system with the mate 10
(I'm using the regular mate 10 but I guess that shouldn't affect the charge input/output)
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Just an FYI to others, the Huawei Mate 10 Pro has 3 different charging modes. One is USB Charging, very very slow. One is Fast charging, like regular charging i guess. SuperCharging is really really fast. This Anker charger only fast charges my device.
I cant get SuperCharge unless I use the Huawei official charger or the Huawei AP09S PowerBank.
How can I SuperCharge with 3rd party accessories?!

pixielott46 said:
Just an FYI to others, the Huawei Mate 10 Pro has 3 different charging modes. One is USB Charging, very very slow. One is Fast charging, like regular charging i guess. SuperCharging is really really fast. This Anker charger only fast charges my device.
I cant get SuperCharge unless I use the Huawei official charger or the Huawei AP09S PowerBank.
How can I SuperCharge with 3rd party accessories?!
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To understand the chargin technologies one must understand how Watts Volts and Ampere work. Volt x Ampere = Watt. Explaining Volt and Ampere is kinda long story but to keep it short: Imagine a garden hose: The pressure of the water is Volt, the speed of the water is Ampere. Watt is the amount of water thats pouring out.
There are various technologies for charging, in the end it matter how many Watts there are. But different combinations of Volts and Ampere are possible to achieve the same amount of Watts.
There is a new universal standard called Power Delivery which was introduced with USB 3.1 Type C. So this is a standard that comes with usb 3.1 type c and that is why all the new usb3.1 type c laptops support it. (PD supports multiple protocols (combinations of V and A to reach up to 100W) and the more powerful ones mostly support the lower ones too. that means a 100W PD charging brick could charge a 5Vx3A=15W Phone, a 14Vx2A=28W iPad Pro, a 60W Macbook, an 80W Ultrabook etc.)
Previous Charging standards are something around 5V and 1A,2A, computer usb 2.0 ports only give 0.5A and usb3.0 ports give 1A, which is why some laptops have a dedicated phone charging port that delivers 2A (most phones used 5V/2A before fast charging technologies hit the market, it is also the protocol phones fall back to if the charging brick does not support the fast charging technology of the phones manufacturer)
Phone manufacturers have their own technoligies or license them from other companies. Qualcom has QuickCharge which many smartphones use (Samsung uses QuickCharge 2.0 with 9V and 1,67A (Delivers roughly 15W))
Huawei has its own SuperCharge which is based on 5V/4A and 4,5V/5A (delivers around 22W). So in order to use supercharge you have to get a charging brick that explicitely supports 4,5V/5A protocol and a cable that supports 5A (since standard USB 3.1 Type C Power Delivery protocols are based on a maximum of 3A most usb-c cables dont support 5A).
So as i mentioned before: more powerful charging bricks usually support less powerful protocols. so in order to charge devices that do not support the specific fast chargind protocol, all chargers also support 5V2A. Thats what happens if a Samsung is charged with huawei brick or my mate 10 pro is charged with the samsung brick (the difference being that Huawei seems to label the usb 3.0 pc port 5V/1A as "charging", the normal 5V/2A as fast charging and the Huawei SuperCharge at 4,5V/5A obviously is called SuperCharge). USB Power Delivery aims to end that by providing a standard that is available for all that use a 3.1 type c port. (that means if i have a 60W apple chargin brick for my macbook i can also use the same brick to charge my 29W ipad pro or another 60W usb type c ultrabook with windows with the same brick and cable without thinking twice. before usb type c and PD all laptops had to have dedicated chargers)

enricomemo said:
Regarding Desktop mode: I bought an adapter and successfully connected my mate 10 to an HD TV, but the resolution is low, does it depend on the TV, the cable, the adapter or there is a way to set the desktop mode resolution? I haven't found it ...
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Hi enrico. I have exactly the same issue and it seems like its related to the 4K TV only. FHD TV work fine with my mate 10 pro but when I connect it to 4K TV it sticks to 640*480 resolution, which is useless obviously. Have you found a solution or anyone else ?

Karl212 said:
Hi enrico. I have exactly the same issue and it seems like its related to the 4K TV only. FHD TV work fine with my mate 10 pro but when I connect it to 4K TV it sticks to 640*480 resolution, which is useless obviously. Have you found a solution or anyone else ?
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My TV isn't 4k and I too get the 640*480 resolution

Connorsdad said:
My TV isn't 4k and I too get the 640*480 resolution
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What is the model of your TV ? Maybe its a model-related issue (not the native resolution), I tried with a hdmi 2.0 cable and the problem is still here. I own a samsung 55MU7000.

drkprd said:
CORRECTION ON THE BRAND...
I was referring to Anker and yes the idea for Power Delivery appears to work.
https://www.anker.com/products/variant/PowerPort+-5-Ports-USB-C-/A2053111
Still using my desktop mode original setup:
Mate 10 - Incipio 3-port adapter (type-c/hdmi/regular usb) - hdmi to vga adapter (vga cable LED monitor) - TYPE-C to TYPE-C cable going to the new Anker desktop charger (type-c port is Power Delivery capable) ....
Phone shows FAST CHARGING instead of just charging...
https://imgur.com/a/V7qII
Started around 68% now I'm at 74%. So I guess that should be the solution. Just grab a PD (power delivery) capable charger. The one from Tronsmart should work without issues as well.
Cheers guys!:good:
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You getting much heat on the device I've used Samsung dex before and the S8 got warm but not very, I'm using the Mate 10 and the Dex hub which charges fast but phones gets quite hot using easy projection

Aftermarket Charger

Are there any aftermarket chargers that will work like the oem Motorola Turbopower chargers?

Pretty much any USB-C charger will work. I've used an old USB power brick with a USB-B -> USB-C cable, I've used my Acer R13's USB-C 45W power brick, and I've used my Choetech 55W 6-port charging station with a USB-C -> USB-C cable. They all work.
If you're looking for something that works with the X4's Turbopower, that's basically just Qualcomm Quick Charge 2.0 under a different name. My charging station is QC 3.0, which works with QC 2.0 devices, which works with this Moto X4. It charges quite fast.
If all you're looking for is a product recommendation, I'd check out this: https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Charge-Type-C-Charger-PowerPort/dp/B01CJ90J6O

crazyates said:
Pretty much any USB-C charger will work. I've used an old USB power brick with a USB-B -> USB-C cable, I've used my Acer R13's USB-C 45W power brick, and I've used my Choetech 55W 6-port charging station with a USB-C -> USB-C cable. They all work.
If you're looking for something that works with the X4's Turbopower, that's basically just Qualcomm Quick Charge 2.0 under a different name. My charging station is QC 3.0, which works with QC 2.0 devices, which works with this Moto X4. It charges quite fast.
If all you're looking for is a product recommendation, I'd check out this: https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Charge-Type-C-Charger-PowerPort/dp/B01CJ90J6O
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Think our X4 needs QC3.0 for turbo charging. I have several QC2.0 chargers left over from my last phone and they do not charge this device at full speed. Also I'm pretty sure the original Motorola charger that came with it is QC3.0 according to what I've seen. But I've just ordered my first after-market charger (a RAVPower car charger, model VC007003) and can report back when it arrives later this week.

Looks like QC3.0 is the ticket
Here are screenshots of the charging rates using both my old QC2.0 and new QC3.0 chargers. The new one activates the "TurboPower connected" toast message, which the old one did not, and charges at a much faster rate. Gonna check out some QC3.0 wall chargers in the near future now.

Yes.

Anything from Qualcomm's certified list.

The original charger is 5V, 3A (15 Watt). However, most Qualcomm QC 2.0 chargers from 1 or 2 years ago ran at 12V, not 5V for fast charging so they don't support the combination of 5V 3A. It's the same thing that happened with the Nexus 5X which technically didn't have Qualcomm QC either, despite having a Qualcomm CPU. Forget the branding on the charger since it is too unreliable, and just find yourself something that can support 5V, 3A.

Wireless charging station for Moto x4?
Anyone know of a wireless charging station that works on the Moto X4? Got my x4 from Project Fi back in October and now it won't charge with a standard usb c cable. The phone and usb plug gets hot.

I'm using Pleson Fast Charge stand and CHGeek Wireless Charging Patch. The charging patch is kind of unsightly but I don't care, it charges "Turbo" fast.

Uhmmm
SynbiosVyse said:
The original charger is 5V, 3A (15 Watt). However, most Qualcomm QC 2.0 chargers from 1 or 2 years ago ran at 12V, not 5V for fast charging so they don't support the combination of 5V 3A. It's the same thing that happened with the Nexus 5X which technically didn't have Qualcomm QC either, despite having a Qualcomm CPU. Forget the branding on the charger since it is too unreliable, and just find yourself something that can support 5V, 3A.
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That may explain why my Nexus 5x charger can't charge this Moto x 4 (it takes forever to complete a charge) but technically it still works

I've gotten turbo speeds from several different Quickcharge3 chargers from Anker. As a side benefit, they also do a good job charging my wife's iPhone.

For me this cable and this wall adapter do the trick just fine.

Does the M5 have Quick Charge or not?

When I say Quick Charge, I mean proper QC technology, not some "quick" or "fast" charging method unique to Huawei only.
The stock charger says [email protected] or [email protected] QC2 and 3 can do [email protected] However when I put the M5 onto my QC3 charger, it only draws [email protected] as tested with a cable with V/A reading.
Charger and cable had been tested to work at proper QC power with my ZTE Axon 7, drawing 18W and also a Moto G4 Turbo Charging.
The strange thing is, if there is some "special" Huawei only technology on the stock charger, it still charges my Axon 7 and G4 with "standard" QC3. Anyone has been successful charging their M5 on a standard QC2/3 charger?

Only does fast charge when the screen is turned off.
there's also a possibility that your volt/amp meter is blocking the fast charge also.

Michaelflat1 said:
Only does fast charge when the screen is turned off.
there's also a possibility that your volt/amp meter is blocking the fast charge also.
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Tried it with screen on or off, and even with the M5 off, still 10W on a non stock QC3 charger.
Cable definitely works for quick charge because I used the same cable on the stock charger and it reads 18W, so it is not blocking anything.

I use this QC3 charger. I get the dual lightning bolt symbol which I think means fast charge.
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B01GFDSO1M

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I use this QC3 charger. I get the dual lightning bolt symbol which I think means fast charge.
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B01GFDSO1M
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Yes, 2 lighting symbol means QCing. However it does not show on my non stock QC charger. My other QC-able devices does on both that charger and the Huawei stock one, strange.

Huawei's fast charge is not part of the Qualcomm's QC standard. However I have found that QC3 is cross compatible with Huawei M5's fast charge.
My 2 cents.
For what its worth, I use this charger:
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B01GFDSO1M
with this cable:
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B01E716UQA
Not the cheapest available, but quality is top notch.

Obveron said:
Huawei's fast charge is not part of the Qualcomm's QC standard. However I have found that QC3 is cross compatible with Huawei M5's fast charge.
My 2 cents.
For what its worth, I use this charger:
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B01GFDSO1M
with this cable:
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B01E716UQA
Not the cheapest available, but quality is top notch.
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This is what I use: http://amzn.eu/cLL0gg9
Cable shouldn't matter for QC and proven not to matter as I used the same random cable (and also the cable with the V/A meter) on this charger and the stock charger. It QC my M5 and Axon 7 on the stock charger but only QC my phone on the Aukey charger.
I have a USB C charger ordered, will see if that works better with the M5.

Obveron said:
Huawei's fast charge is not part of the Qualcomm's QC standard. However I have found that QC3 is cross compatible with Huawei M5's fast charge.
My 2 cents.
For what its worth, I use this charger:
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B01GFDSO1M
with this cable:
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B01E716UQA
Not the cheapest available, but quality is top notch.
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I had since discovered that Huawei does not use QC standards but their own FCP for fast charge. Some QC chargers have that ability built in, but not all. Time to invest in more chargers I think.

Further update: My charger with USB PD arrived and no, it does not charge the M5 (FCP) nor my Axon 7 (QC3) fast. However the M5 charges off my Tronsmart portable charger with VoltIQ and QC3. I had done a bit of digging around and found (so far) that only Tronsmart make any chargers that can support both standards at the same time from the same port. This is great as it is when I am out and about I will need quick charging most.
Sadly they do not (at the moment) make a charger with, say 2 x QC + VoltIQ ports. It is either 1 x QC + VoltIQ and 4 x normal or 5 x QC + VoltIQ and that one costs a bit too much.

alvinlwh said:
Further update: My charger with USB PD arrived and no, it does not charge the M5 (FCP) nor my Axon 7 (QC3) fast. However the M5 charges off my Tronsmart portable charger with VoltIQ and QC3. I had done a bit of digging around and found (so far) that only Tronsmart make any chargers that can support both standards at the same time from the same port. This is great as it is when I am out and about I will need quick charging most.
Sadly they do not (at the moment) make a charger with, say 2 x QC + VoltIQ ports. It is either 1 x QC + VoltIQ and 4 x normal or 5 x QC + VoltIQ and that one costs a bit too much.
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I read this article and it says BlitzWolf BW-S6 knows the FCP charging and it will work the fast charging on Huawei. I will order one to try it...

almaalma74 said:
I read this article and it says BlitzWolf BW-S6 knows the FCP charging and it will work the fast charging on Huawei. I will order one to try it...
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There are many chargers that can QC and FCP at the same time, BUT very few that have 2 or more ports that can do them all at once (or at least FCP+QC on one and QC on the other), just one port and the other one at normal speed. There is a Tronsmart one with 5 ports but it is quite costly.

What happens if you just plug m5 into Google phone usb-c fast charger? Like for my nexus 6p. Slow charging? How much slower? Really want one USB c charger for all my stuff.

StephenMSmith said:
What happens if you just plug m5 into Google phone usb-c fast charger? Like for my nexus 6p. Slow charging? How much slower? Really want one USB c charger for all my stuff.
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Not sure what the nexus comes with. However I had tried it with QC3 charger and a USB C PD charger and both just slow charges. Only Huawei original charger or SOME chargers with VoltIQ can fast charge the M5.

plugging in my USB tester proves that actually it takes a 9v 2a charge from original power adapter and cable. Whilst screen is on also.

I'm looking at various chargers and cables to make use of quick charge, or at least fast charge. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I need a FCP capable charger, and a 5A cable?
Do you think these will work?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GFE90H8/ref=nav_signin?
https://www.amazon.ca/laddertek-Com...1533821459&sr=1-10&keywords=magnetic+usb-c+5a

Ivanbarker said:
I'm looking at various chargers and cables to make use of quick charge, or at least fast charge. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I need a FCP capable charger, and a 5A cable?
Do you think these will work?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GFE90H8/ref=nav_signin?
https://www.amazon.ca/laddertek-Com...1533821459&sr=1-10&keywords=magnetic+usb-c+5a
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I can confirm that you do not need the original cable for FCP charge. I used a USB 3.0 (blue plug) cable that works with QC3 for FCP and this is confirmed by a USB V/A meter.

I think Huawei has their own standard. Some of my QC 2 chargers work, some don't using the same cable.

Frustrating that I can't use my Google phone usb-c charger for fast charging. How much slower is it using non Huawei fast charger? Any ideas?

StephenMSmith said:
Frustrating that I can't use my Google phone usb-c charger for fast charging. How much slower is it using non Huawei fast charger? Any ideas?
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Huawei FCP is [email protected]=18W or [email protected]=22.5W. Not sure which one our tablet uses, at work cannot check the actual charger. However when plugged into a QC2/3 charger, it charges at [email protected]=10W. Meaning it will be between 80% to 125% more time with a non FCP charger.

Having just picked up my M5 8.4, confirm my PD charger is (apparently) quick charging the device. It says fast charge on the lock screen and I've got the double lightning bolt in the status bar. Score!

Question Super fast charging 2.0 on Baseus charger

This is the 100W Baseus deskop charger and I have two issues with it:
1. When two USB C ports are used, the power division is C1=65W and C2=30W. So C1 should still be more than capable enough to handle SFC 2.0 45W charging. But as you can see in the video, SFC 2.0 is not working when two USB C ports are used.
2. When I charge at SFC 2.0 and SFC 1.0 with the same charger, they both cap at 33W. I thought SFC 1.0 is just 25W? When I use the official 25W Samsung SFC 1.0 charger, it just caps off at 24W as expected.
Baseus support sucks big time so I'm having a problem reporting this to them.

kevindd992002 said:
This is the 100W Baseus deskop charger and I have two issues with it:
1. When two USB C ports are used, the power division is C1=65W and C2=30W. So C1 should still be more than capable enough to handle SFC 2.0 45W charging. But as you can see in the video, SFC 2.0 is not working when two USB C ports are used.
2. When I charge at SFC 2.0 and SFC 1.0 with the same charger, they both cap at 33W. I thought SFC 1.0 is just 25W? When I use the official 25W Samsung SFC 1.0 charger, it just caps off at 24W as expected.
Baseus support sucks big time so I'm having a problem reporting this to them.
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Baseus GaN5 Pro 65 watt can charge at 50watt peak.
after 60 percent,watt same as samsung 25 watt charger.

But your measurement is input power to the charger and not output power to the phone. There's a bit of a difference because of power adapter efficiency. I don't know what is the difference between the Gan5 Pro 65W and this 100W adapter really.

BUMP! Anyone please?

This is normal for such a charger. I have a PZOZ version - 65W GaN 2xUSB C + 1xUSB A. SFC 2.0 works only with 1 device plugged in, if you plug another (it might be a 5W one) - this breaks the SFC. I can assume that this is coming from the controller and the device is actually not capable to support such scenario, even though the power is declared as 100W.

Hmmm, that's interesting. I thought the issue was isolated to BaseUS. Their support is really non-existent. They reply but it's like you're talking to a stupid person that does not understand the issue.
Aside from this issue, do you have any other issues when using both ports? As for me, when I charge my phone while my laptop is plugged in, it sometimes drops the wattage on the laptop device to just 19w. If the laptop is plugged in by itself, it goes up to 59w. Not sure what's going on here.
Are there any usb c car chargers that support sfc 2.0?

kevindd992002 said:
Hmmm, that's interesting. I thought the issue was isolated to BaseUS. Their support is really non-existent. They reply but it's like you're talking to a stupid person that does not understand the issue.
Aside from this issue, do you have any other issues when using both ports? As for me, when I charge my phone while my laptop is plugged in, it sometimes drops the wattage on the laptop device to just 19w. If the laptop is plugged in by itself, it goes up to 59w. Not sure what's going on here.
Are there any usb c car chargers that support sfc 2.0?
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Nmc_alves® said:

S23 Ultra requires 10v 4.5 amp to achieve 45 w charging . Charger and Cable both should be capable of 5 amp current capacity and Charger should support PD 3.0 with PPS at 5 amp that is the basic requirement, Cable should have a e-marker chip to identify it as having 5 amp capacity to the charger. usually such cables have 5 amp written on the USB C port and are visibly thicker than the normal 3 amp cables .

ask77 said:
S23 Ultra requires 10v 4.5 amp to achieve 45 w charging . Charger and Cable both should be capable of 5 amp current capacity and Charger should support PD 3.0 with PPS at 5 amp that is the basic requirement, Cable should have a e-marker chip to identify it as having 5 amp capacity to the charger. usually such cables have 5 amp written on the USB C port and are visibly thicker than the normal 3 amp cables .
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Do you have any reference for that 10V 4.5A information? Some say it's 9V 5A but I never saw any official claims from Samsung regarding that too. I have no issues with cables. I'm using 100W BaseUS cables with e-marker chips on them. They don't have the 5A writing on them but they are obviously thicker than the included Samsung cable (which is only for 25W charging). Here are the specs of the 100W BaseUS desktop charger that I have:
As you can see, it does support PD3.0. Although PPS is not written there, it does support it as well as confirmed by BaseUS support and the video that I showed. I don't see 10V anywhere though so I'm not sure how it works with PPS or something. Does PPS adjust the voltage with fine adjustments or something? Also, that doesn't explain the issue I'm having where SFC 2.0 won't work when two USB ports are used. It only works when the phone is charged alone and this defeats the purpose of buying a multi-port charger in the first place.

Go to settings, about phone , and then status information the last entry there is Rated 10 V 4.5 Amp . Yes pps adjusts voltage with fine adjustment of 20mv . It can provide between 3.3 V to 21 V at upto 5 Amp . Your problem seems to be related to the charger itself which is unable to deliver the required power when two usb ports are used . BTW you can use an app called accubattery which should give you the exact charging data for your phone.

ask77 said:
Go to settings, about phone , and then status information the last entry there is Rated 10 V 4.5 Amp . Yes pps adjusts voltage with fine adjustment of 20mv . It can provide between 3.3 V to 21 V at upto 5 Amp . Your problem seems to be related to the charger itself which is unable to deliver the required power when two usb ports are used . BTW you can use an app called accubattery which should give you the exact charging data for your phone.
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Ok, I see that now. Well, @Stenlius replied to this thread and says that this is normal. Any comments on that?
What's more weird though is that when it's charging at sfc 2.0, the cable only shows 33w. When I plug in another device in the charger, it renegotiates to sfc 1.0 but still at 33w!
When I use the official 25w samsung charger with the same cable, it goes down to 24w as expected.

SFC 2.0 - So far I have only seen with the Samsung official chargers. I've spent so much money on Belkin, Baseus, UGreen, Anker accessories and never been able to get peak speeds.

JazonX said:
SFC 2.0 - So far I have only seen with the Samsung official chargers. I've spent so much money on Belkin, Baseus, UGreen, Anker accessories and never been able to get peak speeds.
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Oh wow, that's good to know. Were you getting around the same wattage as I do at 33W? I still have time to return these and is why I'm asking for help here to verify if I don't have an isolated issue or something.

kevindd992002 said:
Oh wow, that's good to know. Were you getting around the same wattage as I do at 33W? I still have time to return these and is why I'm asking for help here to verify if I don't have an isolated issue or something.
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Never had the tools to measure the wattage output.
I just plug and wait for SFC 2.0 to show up, and if it doesn't - I just get rid of it.
I've tried 120W Xiaomi chargers as well.
Max anything other than samsung genuine chargers can go up to is "Fast Charging" or super charging 1.0.

JazonX said:
Never had the tools to measure the wattage output.
I just plug and wait for SFC 2.0 to show up, and if it doesn't - I just get rid of it.
I've tried 120W Xiaomi chargers as well.
Max anything other than samsung genuine chargers can go up to is "Fast Charging" or super charging 1.0.
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Well theh that's not the same case as mine. If you read my OP and watched the video, you'll see that I can do sfc 2.0 with this baseus charger but only maxes at 33 watts. I thought you had the same issue as mine.

kevindd992002 said:
Well theh that's not the same case as mine. If you read my OP and watched the video, you'll see that I can do sfc 2.0 with this baseus charger but only maxes at 33 watts. I thought you had the same issue as mine.
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peak charging only below 20 percent.
after that 3x watt.
after 60 percent 2x watt,same as 25 watt samsung original charger and cable from the box.(3A cable).
basesus gan 2 lite 65 watt and basesus gan 5 pro 65 watt support SFC 2.0.
tested with S23 Ultra.
this image is s23 ultra at 15 percent battery.
charging with samsung original 45 watt charger.

domperidane said:
peak charging only below 20 percent.
after that 3x watt.
after 60 percent 2x watt,same as 25 watt samsung original charger and cable from the box.(3A cable).
basesus gan 2 lite 65 watt and basesus gan 5 pro 65 watt support SFC 2.0.
tested with S23 Ultra.
this image is s23 ultra at 15 percent battery.
charging with samsung original 45 watt charger.
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Ok, that makes sense. I'll try charging at 15% and see if it makes it to 48W.
Also, have you tried charging yout s23 ultra with more than one usb port plugged in your charger? That does not work as you see in my video.

kevindd992002 said:
Ok, that makes sense. I'll try charging at 15% and see if it makes it to 48W.
Also, have you tried charging yout s23 ultra with more than one usb port plugged in your charger? That does not work as you see in my video.
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may be there is a problem with your charger.
you can claim warranty.

domperidane said:
may be there is a problem with your charger.
you can claim warranty.
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No there is none. I posted on reddit before buying this and one guy posted the same issue. Can you test with yours?

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