IS IT right that we wont have Project treble for our V30?
Sources are saying yes, we wont have PT.
If thats so then i will move to the Pixel 2 XL...
francois amon said:
IS IT right that we wont have Project treble for our V30?
Sources are saying no.
If thats so then i will move to the Pixel 2 XL...
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1) No, because it didn't launch with Oreo.
2) Tell me what you want Treble for? You need unlocked bootloader for it to do anything dev wise. Do you have unlocked bootloader? I see you do, so your already have ROMs coming...
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ChazzMatt said:
1) No, because it didn't launch with Oreo.
2) Tell me what yourwant Treble for? You need unlocked bootloader for it to do anything dev wise. Do you have unlocked bootloader? I see you do, so your already have ROMs coming...
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I want treble for Update. I dont want to stick with Oreo for 2 years.
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I want treble for Update. I dont want to stick with Oreo for 2 years.
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With Treble, [b<OEMs and carriers still push any updates.[/b] That doesn't change.
The only thing that changes is one stage (silicon middleman) is cut out, which THEORETICALLY will make any planned updates faster.
If LG wants to give P to V30, they'll still give P.
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ChazzMatt said:
With Treble, [b<OEMs and carriers still push any updates.[/b] That doesn't change.
The only thing that changes is one stage (silicon middleman) is cut out, which THEORETICALLY will make any planned updates faster.
If LG wants to give P to V30, they'll still give P.
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Maybe but i think we have to wait for Android P in the secound quater of 2019..
Yes, probably.
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I want treble for driver updates. I do a lot of emulation and the v30 kinda sucks in emulation compared to other phones that use the same chipset. Is there a way to manually update the v30s drivers? I know pixel 2xl on treble had major increases in performance from just updated drivers that make it seem on par with the newly launched snapdragon 845 chip phones. I don't want to root my phone either, I have package disabler installed in the v30, I disabled certain apps, didn't notice a huge bump in performance.
ChazzMatt said:
1) No, because it didn't launch with Oreo.
2) Tell me what you want Treble for? You need unlocked bootloader for it to do anything dev wise. Do you have unlocked bootloader? I see you do, so your already have ROMs coming...
Sent via open market LG US998 V30/V30+
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1) That's not entirely correct. Only devices launching with Oreo are required to have Project Treble but any manufacturer may choose to add Project Treble to any device being updated to Oreo or newer from Nougat or older. It'll be a little difficult for manufacturers to add Project Treble to existing devices but it should lower the cost and increase the speed of update releases.
2) How about quicker and more frequent updates?
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1) That's not entirely correct. Only devices launching with Oreo are required to have Project Treble but any manufacturer may choose to add Project Treble to any device being updated to Oreo or newer from Nougat or older. It'll be a little difficult for manufacturers to add Project Treble to existing devices but it should lower the cost and increase the speed of update releases.
2) How about quicker and more frequent updates?
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1) No OEM is going to put the work into something like that unless they are forced to. V30 didn't launch with Oreo, so no LG Treble. Everyone wishing for it was delusional. OEMs and carriers don't care about faster updates -- slower updates help them sell new phones. Only Google cares about faster updates so has made Treble a requirement for all phones going forward.
2) Theoretically faster updates with Treble. Not "faster" updates, period.
We'll see. Carriers and OEMs will still be pushing the updates out when they want. In 2016, Verizon sat on Marshmallow update the Droid Turbo for almost six moths (July - December) because it was still fantastic hardware. With Marshmallow, late 2014 Droid Turbo (with 3900 mAh battery, 3GB RAM]) would compete too well with the 2016 Moto Z and Moto Z Force they were launching in 3rd quarter. No need for stupid Moto battery mods!
So, while ALL the other Quarks had Marshmallow in July, Verizon sat on theirs until almost end of December. And no they weren't "testing". All the beta tests happened before then. For GREED reaaons, Verizon didn't want the phone to have the update. Project Treble can't force carriers to release updates faster than they want to release them.
An example of why we need project Treble:
https://developer.android.com/preview/devices/
We are not on that list because LG doesn't care about his clients.
EruElUnico said:
An example of why we need project Treble:
https://developer.android.com/preview/devices/
We are not on that list because LG doesn't care about his clients.
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Yes, all the phones there have Treble support. But do you see a Samsung phone there? The S9(+) has Treble, but isnt on that List either. Neither are any Huawei/Honor phones. There are plenty of those with treble support.
And no, you cant just simply take any of those Images and try to port it. I tried.... (currently waiting for a guide from a guy who managed to port it to the Moto Z)
PS: currently trying to figure out what makes my LOS15.1 unstable (rebased my device tree on the GSI device tree from phhusson, and just added all vendor stuff, and left out the rest), if that works, i know where to search for errors. If it doesnt, im completly out of ideas xD
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I'm planning to Buy LG V30+ (H930DS), Over OnePlus 5T. Can we get Customized Rom Like we get for OP5t? Specially RROS ?
If you're buying the H930DS, you should know that you cannot unlock the bootloader. Therefore, you will not be able to install any custom ROM/root the phone.
That is definitely the best rom out! That would be cool if it happened But there are no ROMs out so it's not looking good
stu5797 said:
That is definitely the best rom out! That would be cool if it happened But there are no ROMs out so it's not looking good
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There are no ROMs out there because so far only the european versions (H930/G) got the bootloader unlock, as soon as the US998 also gets on the unlock list, more devs will (hopefully) start working on the device.
Im currently waiting with buying the phone because of that... even though i have this "i need something new" feeling already (currently using my good old oneplus 2 with android 8.1, still going good, but battery slooowly dying though). Dont wanna buy a phone though without dev support :/
The V30 is one of the phones i would wanna buy (its in the top 3, atm at spot 1 lol), would even buy it now, and try to port lineage os... but the biggest problem would probably be how to get all neccessary vendor files, and the device tree...
Im rather inexperienced when it comes to that.
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That is definitely the best rom out! That would be cool if it happened But there are no ROMs out so it's not looking good
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Why is it not looking good?
Bootloader on Europe model has only been unlocked about three weeks ago. North America open market US998 has still not been placed on the LG Developer Bootloader Unlock list, but will be.
Many devs were probably holding off buying this until that happened.
LG V30 TWRP is still classified as "alpha", but those Europe owners who took the risk already have root.
There will be ROMs, kernels, etc. just like with the 2017 LG G6 and 2026 LG V20. This phone is better than either and they have tons of dev work.
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I'm planning to Buy LG V30+ (H930DS), Over OnePlus 5T. Can we get Customized Rom Like we get for OP5t? Specially RROS ?
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The problem is custom ROMs may not work with the quad DAC. Did the devs ever get custom ROMs to work with the LG V20 quad DAC?
You might need to root and use something like Gravity Box to give you custom ROM features while still staying with stock firmware.
Also you need to buy one of the carrier unlocked LG V30 models which are placed on the LG Developer Bootloader Unlock list.
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I'm planning to Buy LG V30+ (H930DS), Over OnePlus 5T. Can we get Customized Rom Like we get for OP5t? Specially RROS ?
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H930DS has locked bootloader .
You have to hope for a User Root from some Dev here... Look at Tmo G6 room ...
I would gladly buy a brand new unlocked v30 if it run Resurrection Remix!
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I would gladly buy a brand new unlocked v30 if it run Resurrection Remix!
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And you'd be willing to give up the quad DAC?
Sure, root, custom ROMs, kernels are why I chose the unlocked North American open market US998. But I may have to stick with just stock firmware, and then use Gravity Box or similar to get custom ROM features if devs can't crack the quad DAC?
I haven't researched to see if they did so with the LG V20... but I know with the ZTE Axon 7 quad DAC, ZTE wouldn't release their proprietary source code.
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Hey Chazz. Maybe I'm crazy but I just don't really use the headphones often so I don't even consider that a killer feature. I am loving g all the other features of this amazing phone! I am aslo a Huge resurrection fan! Glad you are enjoying the phone!
AlsaMixer would make full use of the DAC but it requires root, should work on any rom.
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And you'd be willing to give up the quad DAC?
Sure, root, custom ROMs, kernels are why I chose the unlocked North American open market US998. But I may have to stick with just stock firmware, and then use Gravity Box or similar to get custom ROM features if devs can't crack the quad DAC?
I haven't researched to see if they did so with the LG V20... but I know with the ZTE Axon 7 quad DAC, ZTE wouldn't release their proprietary source code.
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So.. i was just at a local shop of my carrier, i wondered why their price for the LG V30 (even though with contract bonus and so) is so damn high. Their price starts at 1099€, not 899€ like what LG planned (local shops have it for 799€ but sadly i cant use my extra bonus point from carrier which are worth around 300€ there .-.), even the Note 8, which is more expensive, is cheaper at the carrier and my current contract xD
Anyway... im trying to make an actuall working list of vendor files and device tree(s) for the H930 (based off of the G6 (LG specific files and file list in general) and some SD835 devices, saw that the G6 vendor files were partially kanged from the OP3 lol)
But i dont have a device currently, so if i manage to build it (PS: im really inexperienced with device bringups, but maybe i can atleast lay the foundation for some more experienced dev), would someone be willing to take the risk?
Currently synced LOS 14.1 for that btw.
PS: Im using the proprietary files from the system dump of the H930 ofcourse lol
Just using the G6 and some SD835 devices for the actual file list, which i would need and so on.
Motorola finally releases Oreo Kernal source code..
https://github.com/MotorolaMobilityLLC/kernel-msm/releases/tag/MMI-OPW27.57-40
Expect some goodies today :victory:
It's GREAT to see some action on this. I haven't unlocked my bootloader yet, but between Magisk and a kernel, I'm very tempted. Many thanks to this great community!
Does this mean that quality of roms for the x4 in the future will be on the same level as phones that have Project Treble,
or will the Quality of roms on treble. enabled phones likely still have significantly less bugs?
I'm asking because i wonder if its worth selling the moto x4 to buy a treble enabled phone.
i dont really care about having the newest android version, i just want to have security updates every few months after motorola has pulled the plug on official support.
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Does this mean that quality of roms for the x4 in the future will be on the same level as phones that have Project Treble,
or will the Quality of roms on treble. enabled phones likely still have significantly less bugs?
I'm asking because i wonder if its worth selling the moto x4 to buy a treble enabled phone.
i dont really care about having the newest android version, i just want to have security updates every few months after motorola has pulled the plug on official support.
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i really doubt 6gb version is having treble.
kraatus90 said:
i really doubt 6gb version is having treble.
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Phones that come out on Oreo, must have treble according to Google's new policies.
But the question I posed was, if treble is really all that important.
If the community has the oreo kernel source codes like the ones above, isn't it possible to continue to provide security updates for this phone without making the phone become buggy? (Which is often the case when one runs something like LineageOS if i'm not mistaken)
pietpietersen said:
Phones that come out on Oreo, must have treble according to Google's new policies.
But the question I posed was, if treble is really all that important.
If the community has the oreo kernel source codes like the ones above, isn't it possible to continue to provide security updates for this phone without making the phone become buggy? (Which is often the case when one runs something like LineageOS if i'm not mistaken)
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But the phone didn't really launch with oreo, it's upgrade has oreo out of the box. i'm pretty sure Motorola will find a way to dodge the bullet here.
Anyway, about security updates, nobody can say for sure. we don't even have 100% fully featured twrp yet. roms are long shot. with kernel source you can have latest security updates that are kernel side only. rom side fixes/updates cannot be done by kernel. hope that helps.
Oh, I thought that the Treble thing was already confirmed. Bummer
Hi guys, sorry I know it has been asked months ago but now the V30 / V30+ Oreo update is released, please can anyone let me know if Project Treble is enabled with it? Coming from a V20 with shocking, appalling update releases (Still on a 2017 security patch as I write this), this really is important. Many thanks.
No official Treble support by LG. Unofficial though (repartitioning and flashing treblelized LOS 15.1).
GrazzaD said:
Hi guys, sorry I know it has been asked months ago but now the V30 / V30+ Oreo update is released, please can anyone let me know if Project Treble is enabled with it? Coming from a V20 with shocking, appalling update releases (Still on a 2017 security patch as I write this), this really is important. Many thanks.
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Treble doesn't matter in this regard.
LG has promised updates for V30 and G6 every 90 days (starting with Oreo) for THREE YEARS so they would be placed on Google's endorsed business program.
You will get that, with or without Treble. Treble will not make OEM/carrier push out updates and faster than they wish.
LG has NOT made similar promise with 2018 G7 and V35 (which launched with Oreo and has official Treble). So, will be interesting to see if they also get at-least 90 day updates.
Treble makes updates technically easier for OEM/carrier, but does not mandate them.
Whereas, Google's endorsed business program DOES mandate updates, and V30 will have updates with or without Treble.
Android Enterprise Recommended requirements
Security update support: 90-day security updates
Major update release support: Support current shipping release + one letter upgrade
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See? Treble doesn't matter for updates.
So, now that V30 has Oreo we will get updates every 90 days, supposedly for THREE years.
ChazzMatt said:
Treble doesn't matter in this regard.
LG has promised updates for V30 and G6 every 90 days (starting with Oreo) so they would be placed on Google's endorsed business program.
You will get that, with or without Treble. Treble will not make OEM/carrier push out updates and faster than they wish.
LG has NOT made similar promise with 2018 G7 and V35 (which launched with Oreo and has official Treble). So, will be interesting to see if they also get at-least 90 day updates.
Treble makes updates technically easier for OEM/carrier, but does not mandate them.
Google's endorsed business program DOES mandate updates, and V30 will have updates with or without Treble.
Android Enterprise Recommended requirements
See? Treble doesn't matter for updates.
So, now that V30 has Oreo we will get updates every 90 days.
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Check out https://www.android.com/enterprise/device-catalog/
Basically every LG phone is on that list by now (yes, also the G7 and V35).
But what im more annoyed by is that some LG low/mid end devices got an update to android 8.1.0, while the flagships are all stuck on 8.0.0
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Check out https://www.android.com/enterprise/device-catalog/
Basically every LG phone is on that list by now (yes, also the G7 and V35).
But what im more annoyed by is that some LG low/mid end devices got an update to android 8.1.0, while the flagships are all stuck on 8.0.0
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There's a difference between Android Enterprise Recommended Certification and just "Enterprise".
https://www.android.com/enterprise/recommended/
Stay current with updates
Android Enterprise Recommended helps ensure devices are up to date with regular security patches delivered within 90 days. Android Enterprise Recommended devices are also guaranteed to get at least one additional major OS update.
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Security patches from device manufacturers delivered within 90 days, guaranteed for three years.
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I quoted the specific Recommended requirements, like security updates every 90 days. Does just basic Enterprise have requirements?
Here's the Android Enterprise RECOMMENDED list, and G7 and V35 are not on there.
https://androidenterprisepartners.withgoogle.com/#!/results/browse-all/2
Thanks guys. LG made similar promises with the V20 and the update releases for my phone have been terrible. Really poor. My brother had a G5 and that's been even worse. I'll be switching to a Nokia (Treble enabled!).
GrazzaD said:
Thanks guys. LG made similar promises with the V20 and the update releases for my phone have been terrible. Really poor. My brother had a G5 and that's been even worse. I'll be switching to a Nokia (Treble enabled!).
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Well, V20 isn't on Google's Enterprise Recommended program list. Neither is G5.
What does Nokia have that can even compare to the LG V30? Believe me, I looked at all the phones last year and V30 was the best, with too-big Galaxy Note coming in 2nd. Nokia has also dropped the headset jack and has no Qi wireless charging. At that point you might as well buy a Pixel 2 XL, which also comes in behind the premium features of the LG V30.
LG has to give at least security updates for three year's for the two phones on that Google Enterprise Recommended list -- V30 and G6 -- starting with Oreo. Every 90 days is the minimum, from what I can read. They can do more, if they wish.
So far, they have done it. We have 20A and 20B for US998. Europe H930 has had two Oreo releases. Canada H933 received their first Oreo update in May and are supposed to receive their 2nd this month, according to the carriers.
Custom ROMs from major dev groups of course have MONTHLY updates. V30 has several of those -- but I assume we are discussing official OEM/carrier updates?
OEMs/carriers will still release updates when they wish, even with Treble. Treble doesn't force them to release updates.
Whereas this commitment to Google's Enterprise Recommended program DOES force an OEM update schedule commitment for three years.
I think this was some of the reason for the delay in LG rolling out Oreo for V30... LG knows once Oreo is released, the regular updates have to start for all the variants in this program.
I'm not defending LG horrible update history for other devices. (Motorola is equally bad, for the last phone I owned.) But I'm curious to see how LG phones which do have Treble (V35, G7) fare vs. those which are on this Enterprise Recommended program and which don't have Treble (V30, G6). Hopefully, LG will improve on ALL current devices, but this Google Enterprise Recommended program holds their feet to the fire.
No LG Android 10 for any V30, so stop asking
https://www.xda-developers.com/lg-ux-9-0-android-10-update-schedule/
I said this before, explained WHY multiple times -- and now it's official.
No V30, including V30S, is getting LG Android 10 update. V30 launched with Nougat and has all the OS updates (Oreo and Pie) it's going to get.
V30S doesn't have Treble so that proves it was never a new phone LAUNCHED on Oreo. V30S was just a V30+ with more RAM, updated to Oreo at the factory before release., prior to all the other V30 then getting Oreo a couple of months later. V30S was basically a V30+ with more RAM, released as a marketing gimmick to try to compete with the 2018 Snapdragon 845 Samsung Galaxy S9/S9+. Was still a Snapdragon 835 V30 "Joan" phone, which runs same V30 firmware. (Samsung had exclusive rights to Snapdragon 845 for a few months.
IF it was a new phone LAUNCHED on Oreo, V30S would have required Treble. If it was new phone LAUNCHED on Oreo, then it would be eligible for two OS updates -- Pie and Android 10. But since V30S didn't have Treble, it was NOT a new phone.
Later LG released actual Snapdragon 845 phones: G7, V35, V40. Those all had Oreo and had Treble -- proving they were indeed new phones.)
V30/V30+/V30S still should get some more security updates and fixes. But no Android 10.
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P.S. Stop calling Android 10 "Q". Its no longer beta.
"L", "M", "N", "O", "P", "Q" were the beta letters before release and Google officially named them. I could go all the way back to beta "C" which became "Cupcake" -- but you get the point.
L became Lollipop (Android 5, 2014)
M became Marshmallow (Android 6, 2015)
N became Nougat (Android 7, 2016)
O became Oreo (Android 8, 2017)
P became Pie (Android 9, 2018)
Q simply became Android 10, 2019
Deal with it. Google decided not to use sweet snack/dessert name anymore, so they only went with the version number instead. There was always a version number behind the dessert name.
No one calls "Oreo" and "Pie" as "O" or "P", since they are not beta anymore. No one asks "Do we have a new 'P' KDZ yet?" nor "Which is better 'O' or 'P''? Everyone calls them "OREO" and "PIE". Well, "Q" isn't beta anymore either... It's "Android 10".
Here's the Oreo official statue at Google Headquarters:
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Here's the counterpart Android 10 statue:
Ho noes~
Frankly, I'm not sure I'd trust LG to put out a stable version of it anyway. Doesn't Pie OTA still have the silly lag issue fixed with LG's backup thing?
Shame. really wanted that desktop mode.
still - seems rather strange... what about the SD845 V35? it should get android 10 no? yet it is not listed.
also please note that the road-map is just for 2020, so maybe the V30S + V35 are planned for 2021?
wonder if we will be able to port some features to our v30's, as i really like this phone
Septfox said:
Ho noes~
Frankly, I'm not sure I'd trust LG to put out a stable version of it anyway. Doesn't Pie OTA still have the silly lag issue fixed with LG's backup thing?
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Yeah, Pie on some variants is still wonky. Like US998, and Sprint LS998 still doesn't have it. Also AME H939DS doesn't have it yet.
Orof said:
Shame. really wanted that desktop mode.
still - seems rather strange... what about the SD845 V35? it should get android 10 no? yet it is not listed.
also please note that the road-map is just for 2020, so maybe the V30S + V35 are planned for 2021?
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Uhmm, no. Android 10 was released in 2019. No OEM is going to still be pushing updates for it in 2021.
It's possible V35 still may get it as this was ITALY LG list, and V35 was not released in Europe. Was released to North and South America.
LG Italia has stated that the Android 10 update will be available for nine phones.
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But V30 was released in Europe and the H930G was specifically released in Italy. Their V30+ was even eligible for the official LG Bootloader Unlock Code -- which we don't need thanks to WTF exploit.
ChazzMatt said:
Uhmm, no. Android 10 was released in 2019. No OEM is going to still be pushing updates for it in 2021.
It's possible V35 still may get it as this was ITALY LG list, and V35 was not released in Europe. Was released to North and South America.
But V30 was released in Europe and the H930G was specifically released in Italy. Their V30+ was even eligible for the official LG Bootloader Unlock Code -- which we don't need thanks to WTF exploit.
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So was the v30s ever released in italy? If not, that might also be the reason it is not listed there even though it only got one major update...
I don't know... Better ask lg directly i guess
Fully expected. After years with LG, moving to S20+ anyway.
Orof said:
So was the v30s ever released in italy? If not, that might also be the reason it is not listed there even though it only got one major update...
I don't know... Better ask lg directly i guess
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V30s was not released in Europe either but it also got two OS updates: Oreo and Pie.
Is considered the V30 variant which LAUNCHED with Nougat.
It was merely V30+ updated to Oreo and 2GB RAM added prior being sold to the public. V30S is still a JOAN phone, which "launched" with Nougat. If someone doesn't know what that means, it means it's a V30 and runs V30 firmware. It's even in the model number V30S
V30S was merely a re-modeled house not a brand new house. It was a marketing gimmick, not an actual new phone.
But I'm repeating myself...if it was a new phone with OREO it would have had TREBLE. It doesn't, so that irrefutablly proves it was not a new phone!
Any website that says otherwise really has no clue what they are talking about. They never actually owned a V30S and they probably don't understand that all new Android phones with Oreo (or later) REQUIRE Treble.
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I said this before, explained WHY multiple times -- and now it's official.
No V30, including V30S, is getting LG Android 10 update. V30 launched with Nougat and has all the OS updates (Oreo and Pie) it's going to get.
V30S doesn't have Treble so that proves it was never a new phone LAUNCHED on Oreo. It was merely a V30+ with more RAM released as a marketing gimmick to try to compete with the 2018 Snapdragon 845 Samsung Galaxy S9/S9+. Was still a Snapdragon 835 V30 "Joan" phone, which runs same V30 firmware. (Samsung had exclusive rights to Snapdragon 845 for a few months. Later LG released actual Snapdragon 845 phones.)
We still should get some more security updates and fixes. But no Android 10.
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Dear Brian Kwon,
You are tasked with turning around LG's failing mobile divison. The task will be difficult, but there is good news. LG makes flagship phones with phenomenal hardware. The problems at LG are self-inflicted and can be fixed. You might take a moment of your time to browse threads like this one on xda for a sense of the problems. Three of them are software support, communication, and execution. There are a a few simple things for you to do. 1) Flagship phones like the V and G series should ship with current versions of Android. 2) LG should standby their committments to release updates. 3) LG should be transparent with customers, stonewalling is unacceptable.
The V30 flagship is a great example of LG's problems. For clarification I am referring to the open market V30. It was released with Android 7 even though 8.1 was the current release. There have been a few security updates but no Pie. My wife's Sony XZ2 Compact has been on Pie for 18 months. Part of the appeal of Android is running AoSP roms. It would be refreshing to know in advance which models LG will allow bootloader unlock and rooting. Even better, just offer the option. It is also unacceptable that the software stack for use on Verizon is broken, i.e. no VoWIFI or Visual VoiceMail.
These issues are a toxic combination for anyone laying out USD800 or more to keep for two to four years. You should think of fixing these problems as building and maintaining a relationship with your customers and distributors. Their safisfaction is your success.
The lack of loyalty and transactioanl behavior of LG hits home when it comes time to buy a new phone. I have a couple of V30s', and they weren't cheap. The hardware is holding up well and that is great. I'll be in the market for a new device in a 18 months or so. It shouldn't be for access to security updates or current Android. It should be for new hardware and the capabilities new hardware creates like longer battery life, 5G, speed and so on.
For these reasons, I am not considering an LG model like a V50 in the future and I am sure I am not alone. I hope you change my mind.
Thank you,
cmrntnnr
It's time to move onto a newer phone. I don't keep phones after 2 years anyway. V30 came out in 2017. I got mine in May 2018. Battery health is down to 89%. Processor will soon be 3 generations old. 4GB RAM is mid-range spec. Gonna look for LG G8 (not X) deals.
HKSpeed said:
It's time to move onto a newer phone. I don't keep phones after 2 years anyway. V30 came out in 2017. I got mine in May 2018. Battery health is down to 89%. Processor will soon be 3 generations old. 4GB RAM is mid-range spec. Gonna look for LG G8 (not X) deals.
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Thanks, nobody cares.
ldeveraux said:
Thanks, nobody cares.
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you're welcome. nobody cares about your post either.
Lol
cmrntnnr said:
Dear Brian Kwon,
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What email address did you send this to? I'd like to do the same (with some edits so that it's not just a plain copy/paste) to let him know the same thing from me... if oyu don't mind.
Sorry, I don't have an address. The letter format seemed like a good way to express my frustration and hope. Maybe it will be conveyed to him by some LG staff monitoring xda, I amuse myself....
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What email address did you send this to? I'd like to do the same (with some edits so that it's not just a plain copy/paste) to let him know the same thing from me... if oyu don't mind.
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HKSpeed said:
It's time to move onto a newer phone. I don't keep phones after 2 years anyway. V30 came out in 2017. I got mine in May 2018. Battery health is down to 89%. Processor will soon be 3 generations old. 4GB RAM is mid-range spec. Gonna look for LG G8 (not X) deals.
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Mate gone are the days where in terms of performance and most features update made a difference V30's Display,SD835 and Most features are still upto par aside from gesture gimmick you are opting for
I recently came back from SD845/6gb Ram to SD835/4gb and the difference is not that dramatic as it would have been from 835 to 820 or 820 to 810 also keeping in mind the thermals of those older chips only that aside from performance was frustrating
SD835 in my experience to date is Snapdragon's one of the most stable and long lasting chips I can even point you to some tech youtubers despite of having budget and devices laying around using SD835's
Infact given the phones I have used I would say buying a 835 Pixel 2XL is better than going for a G8 (but thats just personal preference including UI features and all ) but there was this feel about Pixel 2XL given its higher price tag I always felt its well worth it in terms of that build ,polished UI and implemented features and yeah GCAM and its Night Sight
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Sorry, I don't have an address. The letter format seemed like a good way to express my frustration and hope. Maybe it will be conveyed to him by some LG staff monitoring xda, I amuse myself....
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Mailing address is fine... I amuse myself that way as well
I do not even want Pie lol Forget 10, Here are my reasons and people should know what they are upgrading for and why.
The best question is do you really need it just because it's latest OS ? Have a look at this Windows 10 change at higher ups and one can correlate how Win10 is a disaster their priorities changed to a SaaS model there is no more RTM release like 7 and 8.1 and get 10 years of updates it's SAC - 6 months and then 18 Months later it's EOL, there are automatic driver updates it creates a lot of issues and so many BSODs, auto update the damn BIOS patches (Intel Meltdown and Spectre), well I run a Haswell 4710MQ processor with a sockted GPU MXM chipset and If I installed latest patches it will ruin the performance. And SGX bug makes the Undervolting not possible, meaning no control, they are forcing those updates into the Windows Update packages and BIOS. Just hit that forum and see how many issues are there with Win10, see the latest Win10 feature - modern standby causing havoc.
Then we have the worst of the Android 10 issues, the TWRP itself is hard to work on, here's Pixel 3a's TWRP thread and see the last page, unless you flash a custom kernel with Fastboot and Magisk the TWRP won't work for Android 10. And on top the damn Filesystem issues - Pixel 2 got A/B filesystem and bam you can't flash properly and (read this very informative) then you get the Pixel 3 logical partitioning system along with the dynamic fused partitions, then you have Android 10 + Pixel 4 mega lockdown, Huawei style EROFS clone of Read only Ext4 partition system, exactly like how Huawei's puppet masters wanted at their homeland. Edit : here's the LZ Play backdoor, that XDA portal never published.
Do you think google will stop there ? Remember when A/B system came it was rejoiced for that Treble, devs are great but that Treble with GSI being generic doesn't add anything to the OS customizations, maybe some ROMs can be flashed with Magisk, but what about our custom Mods like the Anxious mod etc, and then A/B was enforced with 8.x released devices with CTS for Safety Net. I think they will enforce all this dynamic partitions with Android 10 and up and eventually the modding will further wither away which is already less, less than 0.5% of whole Android devices owners root and run Custom stuff.
Do you really want Android 10 ? What feature is it ? don't say multitasking or the gestures lol. Both are inferior to Oreo, simple fact - A phone has 16:9 or 18:9 or the 19:5:9 or the latest S20s worst 21:9 tall ratios, all are Vertical, so a vertical card stack like from Lollipop, Marshmallow, Oreo had the same stacks, making you see all the multitasked apps in one single shot and decide and scroll flick is fast and quick switching as well. Now see the Horizontal iPhone X style, even iPhone 8 had stacked design. With X they changed it, you can see only 1 card on Android on iOS you can see at-least 2. Google blatantly copied it and ruined it badly. Then you have Clipboard API restriction, more more APIs blacklisted, and list goes on and on, Youtubers and all mainstream blogs even Android Police just parrot 24/7 updates updates, what about the features ? Why not a removable battery, or 3.5mm jack without compromise, SD slot for reliability, if they are emphasized, these ridiculous 1 year lifecycle of HW refresh and OS refresh will stop and create breathing room for better devices and more support and less e-waste too.
Then you have the Scoped Storage on Android 10 (Issue Tracker) in the SDK, on a Pixel phone, Pixel recorder (Massively inferior to what LG offers - HiFi DAC routed, Audio with Karaoke input option a.k.a Studio Mode with separate files option for input included, Bit-rate selection, Storage selection, Multiple formats, Time-series graph & Peak meter per channel which are LIVE, Lossless recording, Tags, Timer, Sample Rate, Limiter, Low Freq Cut off, High Gain for higher sensitivity damn it this is a phone or a dedicated recorder ? ) the recording files cannot be seen in any app. YOU CAN'T see the files the app recorded. Period, why ? Google wants to force us into iOS style sharing bs, on iOS you must share the file to another app to view it 1:1 exact sandboxed bs copied over to Android and it will break millions of phones with Android R or 11 whatever they want to call it, since Android 12 will force the latest SDK-1 format which PlayStore mandates. Here's a latest reddit post on it, good points are discussed there. And in case you missed the XDA article by FX app dev (I recommend that app heavily, it's a must have, using since GB-KK) and the in-depth analysis Blog for the whole disaster which even mentions on how Google wants more subscription based direction and how to approach this.
Tell me again who wants Android 10 again now ? Nougat 7 is LTS release it is like KK 4.4 which will be running for at-least 4 more years. So get the damn battery replaced by LG OEM officially restore the Oreo final backup with Magisk and enjoy the best of what you can get right now. Yes security updates are needed but most of the time the malware comes from unwanted apps on your phone which you are responsible, same for PC too, it doesn't need an AV and get robbed by the AV companies instead if you take little care and grow your knowledge with basics you retain the control / power in your hands, if more people don't want that's what will happen. Look at iPhone users, they cannot live without that ecosystem unhealthy Apple
Security through Obscurity is never real, thanks for reading hope it did help something
On a side note, is the latest Magisk working without issues on our LG Oreo 20h Stock ?, I'm running old 19.3 and 7.3.4 manager ?
Great post... I've said the same thing for a while - why do I want Pie? It really doesn't give us anything really new (other than numerous bugs, apparently). Any new "feature" you want can be easily added if you REALLY want it, but it's not that big of a deal for most people. This isn't an iPhone (which requires OS updates to gain functionality)... Google has been pulling that into the apps directly, so you don't need a specific OS (GENERALLY speaking)... to get a feature...
To answer your last question, yes you can run the latest Magisk. I think the only limitation is that it cannot be installed with TWRP at initial startup, for some reason. However, once it's installed and you're in the OS, you can update without issue. I'm on VS996 win 20.3 and 7.5.1 without issue.
Security updates V30/V30+
I didn't realise some V30's still weren't on Pie, my V30+ has been on it since September. Battery life is better and they have improved audio playback with .dxd audio files. I'm still stuck on the September security patch though. Has LG given up on V30 security too?
Hello, so I've heard the V35 is getting Velvet UI Android 10 from LG, my question is about how possible is it to port the official rom to the V30?
From what I understand the V30 and V35 share most of the same components except the chipset, front camera and wide angle. Cameras seem to be reasonably easy to fix even if with GCam, chipset would probably be the hardest.
Does someone have an idea of how possible this would be? What are the limitations on this approach?
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Hello, so I've heard the V35 is getting Velvet UI Android 10 from LG, my question is about how possible is it to port the official rom to the V30?
From what I understand the V30 and V35 share most of the same components except the chipset, front camera and wide angle. Cameras seem to be reasonably easy to fix even if with GCam, chipset would probably be the hardest.
Does someone have an idea of how possible this would be? What are the limitations on this approach?
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Someone who is technically proficient can do it, but that's different from someone will do it.
Most devs don't like to work with stock-based ROMs. They prefer to work with LOS-based custom ROMs.
The only current V30 stock-based ROM is A.I.X. The A.I.X. ROM dev -- who has already ported many V35 libs to V30 -- would be your most likely bet.
He does not post his ROMs on XDA.
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Someone who is technically proficient can do it, but different from someone will do it.
Most devs don't like to work with stock ROMs. Someone like the stock-based V30 A.I.X. ROM dev -- who has already ported many V35 libs to V30 -- would be your most likely bet.
He does not post his ROMs on XDA.
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I imagine these come from those Russian forums that keep getting linked? Will be interesting to see if someone at least tries it.
We should start V35 port operation
Some really should port the G7 One Rom. Stop wasting time with LG stock libs etc unless they're needed. The G7 One is the same hw and running Android 10.
I would love to get a V35 port. I just don't understand why people want a stripped down version of Android.
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Hello, so I've heard the V35 is getting Velvet UI Android 10 from LG, my question is about how possible is it to port the official rom to the V30?
From what I understand the V30 and V35 share most of the same components except the chipset, front camera and wide angle. Cameras seem to be reasonably easy to fix even if with GCam, chipset would probably be the hardest.
Does someone have an idea of how possible this would be? What are the limitations on this approach?
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Yes it is possible. But no who is capable of doing it wants to do it.
BROKEN1981 said:
I would love to get a V35 port. I just don't understand why people want a stripped down version of Android.
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Because for them, having "Android 10" is more important than having the premium features of LG flagship phones.
I don't understand that philosophy. I bought the phone for the hardware features and software tricks.
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nate0 said:
Some really should port the G7 One Rom. Stop wasting time with LG stock libs etc unless they're needed. The G7 One is the same hw and running Android 10.
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The stock libs are necessary in many cases. Like the DTS Surround Stereo, which LG accidentally put in and never enabled. We enabled it with root.
AIX dev showed a lot of latter Oreo and the botched Pie is simply LG port of V40 firmware (which would also be V35). For Pie they LG was just too lazy to clean it up before they left. But the AIX dev showed we have libs for stuff LG never intended V30 to have -- because it was ported from newer models.
LG is still doing that. He showed V35 and V40 have libs for dual display, which doesn't exist for those two phones -- but which were "accidentally" ported by LG from V50 for Android 10.
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The stock libs are necessary in many cases. Like the DTS Surround Stereo, which LG accidentally put in and never enabled. We enabled it with root.
AIX dev showed a lot of latter Oreo and the botched Pie is simply LG port of V40 firmware (which would also be V35). For Pie they were just too lazy to clean it up before they left.
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I get that, my point is I am fond of Android One. The LG UI over top of that which includes the "premium code" that LG is known for just makes icing on the cake. DAC support, AOD, etc. The LG UX is definitely not low grade. I won't dismiss that either. My point being is that someone has a G7 One dump and I am wondering how much more time or effort it would be to port or build a V30 ROM from that than a V35 port.
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AIX dev showed a lot of latter Oreo and the botched Pie is simply LG port of V40 firmware (which would also be V35). For Pie they were just too lazy to clean it up before they left.
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The botched Pie to me always looked like Oreo slapped with a custom ****ty implementation of the pill navigation full of bugs that never got fixed... They really gave 0 ****s about giving a stable and fast Android 9, they just wanted to say "hey we gave you 2 major updates".
****ing sad honestly, not sure I can come back to LG after this.
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The botched Pie to me always looked like Oreo slapped with a custom ****ty implementation of the pill navigation full of bugs that never got fixed... They really gave 0 ****s about giving a stable and fast Android 9, they just wanted to say "hey we gave you 2 major updates".
****ing sad honestly, not sure I can come back to LG after this.
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Yeah, unfortunately LG has had something going with their HW design for a long time that I personally cannot look away from yet. Then they started in on the notch/hole punch trend that came up about 2 years ago, so I have stuck with only up to the V35. The headphone jack alone is one core reason users still stay here, and I think they understand that....that and the DAC itself are only found in their devices and maybe a few other Chinese devices. Will be interesting to see what they decide to do after these Velvet "marketing trended" devices go aged....