After i saw the pie miui update in system update, i immediately update my poco from oreo to pie immediatelly, thinking the update would make my poco even better, but no i was wrong, i ended up regretting udpating it, wished i stayed on oreo. Here's what the issues I'm facing on pie:
1. You can't disable the notch in settings anymore
2. 30-40% of the time when you use the home gestures to go home, the launcher is refreshing for some reason and it took me 2 seconds to wait my launcher to load
3. The recent apps animation is sluggish and not smooth compared to oreo animations
4. When you use the recent apps gestures then you immediately clicked on other apps, it doesnt go to the app immediately, but instead you must wait like 1 second, then you will able to click on other apps, in oreo it's instant, in pie its not, you must wait for it load 1 second for some reason
5. Performance is slightly worse compare to oreo, i can confirm this by playing pubg, i used to play pubg on HDR with ultra framerate settings on oreo as it is smooth on oreo, but on pie, i can feel its slightly has a lower framerate than on oreo. So now i have to play on smooth with extreme framerate settings in pubg on pie
6. We all know geekbench is a lie, yes i have a higher score on pie than oreo, but i can confirm that is BS. Pie on poco doesn't have a better performance than oreo on poco
7. Batterly is slightly worse than on oreo. When im on oreo, when i play pubg even with HDR settings, i can play a lot longer than on pie, i can truly feel im using a 4000mah battery when im oreo. But when im on pie, i feel like im using a 3000mah battery phone when im playing pubg. It drains the battery more than when im on my oreo
It's kinda weird why no one talking about this. As i assume you guys have never received the pie udpate or what?
Hi.
Finally somehas the same issues. I thought it is only my phone. I used it with xiaomi.eu developer rom but experienced the same lags. I dont do games. But I can confirm the same slowness when returning to homescreen. Sometimes it took 5-10 seconds to return to the homescreen. Now I am on pixel experience rom. The antutu score is much lower. But the overall experience is much smoother. Are you on the official 10.1 stable?
@w1040 - 1. is a nuisance, though natchonotch sorts it out
Aside from that, I haven't seen the other issues you list, though there wasn't really any user facing good stuff in the pie update - bit of a let down
mad.droid said:
Hi.
Finally somehas the same issues. I thought it is only my phone. I used it with xiaomi.eu developer rom but experienced the same lags. I dont do games. But I can confirm the same slowness when returning to homescreen. Sometimes it took 5-10 seconds to return to the homescreen. Now I am on pixel experience rom. The antutu score is much lower. But the overall experience is much smoother. Are you on the official 10.1 stable?
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Yes im on 10.1.3.0 stable. Im really dissapointed with the pie update, it makes poco experience slightly worse than on oreo.
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@w1040 - 1. is a nuisance, though natchonotch sorts it out
Aside from that, I haven't seen the other issues you list, though there wasn't really any user facing good stuff in the pie update - bit of a let down
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Why do i wanna install a third party notch hider rather than just using the built in notch hider in setings that is now sadly gone
Well, They still won't fit the notch.
Don't know what they're thinking anymore.
2, 3 and 4 are the worst parts, such a turn off to use miui. Additionally, discarding notification, you can only swipe to the right as to the left opens a menu, which is also annoying. The transparent theme is also annoying and UI as a whole feels sluggish. I was impressed by Oreo when I first got the phone, but really hate pie, so Im sticking to lineage OS as I like it way more.
1. nacho notch will do the trick. I read somewhere in fhe forum that google asked to remove the hide notch feature. Not sure about the veracity of the claim.
The rest of the issues is not present on my phone.
I'm so disappointed in this phone it was overhyped by too many sources. I'll just buy a used flagship next time.
My sd845 just for calling and messaging purpose, disappointed with poco software and the poco dev...
And everyone is forgetting no more full screen gaming.
And screen recording creates black bars on 3 sides with different widths.
So damn annoying.
The only stuff that goes full-screen now is YouTube just the inverse of what was the case on oreo, all apps were full screen except for YouTube.
Can anyone help me disable Screen Pinning? The worst problem I'm facing right now. I accidentally tap the pin and I have no idea how to get out. A nice popup tells me to press back and recents at the same time. But that doesn't work with full screen gestures nor with buttons - mirrored or not. The most frustrating update. Period.
Hey there!
I have an H930 version of the V30 non-root and I love the phone. However, the Pie update is not to my liking. I feel like the phone feels slower to use and there are some aesthetic choices I do not agree with. I have decided that I will downgrade my phone to 8.0 but as I started thinking if I will lose any features of note I thought to myself "Do I even need 8.0?".
I am wondering if any of you are still on Nougat and if so why or if anyone remembers what Nougat was like on the V30 (never had it on mine). Could it be that it was more optimized since it was the initial software the phone came out with? And primarily - what was the battery life like?
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Hey there!
I have an H930 version of the V30 non-root and I love the phone. However, the Pie update is not to my liking. I feel like the phone feels slower to use and there are some aesthetic choices I do not agree with. I have decided that I will downgrade my phone to 8.0 but as I started thinking if I will lose any features of note I thought to myself "Do I even need 8.0?".
I am wondering if any of you are still on Nougat and if so why or if anyone remembers what Nougat was like on the V30 (never had it on mine). Could it be that it was more optimized since it was the initial software the phone came out with? And primarily - what was the battery life like?
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Nougat is too old. Better go with rooted oreo and use kernel like Ceres and mods like Anxious v30 mod.
With oreo rooted you can even use DTS
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Hey there!
I have an H930 version of the V30 non-root and I love the phone. However, the Pie update is not to my liking. I feel like the phone feels slower to use and there are some aesthetic choices I do not agree with. I have decided that I will downgrade my phone to 8.0 but as I started thinking if I will lose any features of note I thought to myself "Do I even need 8.0?".
I am wondering if any of you are still on Nougat and if so why or if anyone remembers what Nougat was like on the V30 (never had it on mine). Could it be that it was more optimized since it was the initial software the phone came out with? And primarily - what was the battery life like?
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Afaik, nougat seem to have better battery but not much feature as Oreo. Both nougat aand Oreo are stable
niirb said:
Hey there!
I have an H930 version of the V30 non-root and I love the phone. However, the Pie update is not to my liking. I feel like the phone feels slower to use and there are some aesthetic choices I do not agree with. I have decided that I will downgrade my phone to 8.0 but as I started thinking if I will lose any features of note I thought to myself "Do I even need 8.0?".
I am wondering if any of you are still on Nougat and if so why or if anyone remembers what Nougat was like on the V30 (never had it on mine). Could it be that it was more optimized since it was the initial software the phone came out with? And primarily - what was the battery life like?
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Oreo has lots of fixes and camera improvements, especially post -January 2019. With root you can enable DTS framework. Even pre-January 2019 Oreo is not recommended for daily use.
That's one reason why we say to immediately update to latest Oreo firmware after bootloader unlock and root.
Thanks for all the replies! I skipped straight to oreo when I got my phone so that's why I'm unsure of things. May I ask what DTS is since all of you are mentioning it here?
Also from my understanding feature wise there isn't MUCH of a difference between 7.0 and 8.0 and that's the only reason why I considered it. Granted there are a few things for sure but f rom some research I did i wouldn't miss anything that android in general gets in 8.0. Tho camera improvements do sound nice and that's something I'd like to have on my phone so high chance I'll just go to Oreo.
EDIT: Are there any super minimal oreo roms you guys would recommend? My phone is not rooted (yet) but I would consider it if there are any minimal roms around that improve performance/battery life. Tho I'll dive into searching the forums cause I bet similar questions have been asked before.
niirb said:
Thanks for all the replies! I skipped straight to oreo when I got my phone so that's why I'm unsure of things. May I ask what DTS is since all of you are mentioning it here?
Also from my understanding feature wise there isn't MUCH of a difference between 7.0 and 8.0 and that's the only reason why I considered it. Granted there are a few things for sure but f rom some research I did i wouldn't miss anything that android in general gets in 8.0. Tho camera improvements do sound nice and that's something I'd like to have on my phone so high chance I'll just go to Oreo.
EDIT: Are there any super minimal oreo roms you guys would recommend? My phone is not rooted (yet) but I would consider it if there are any minimal roms around that improve performance/battery life. Tho I'll dive into searching the forums cause I bet similar questions have been asked before.
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To further the discussion, this below
was ONE change log to Oreo in late 2018. One. There have been many others. Thus, I don't understand why anyone would want to run earlier pre-2019 firmware, especially Nougat?
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US99820f_00_1121.kdz
change log:
- DTS: X 3D stereo effect function has been added.
- New Always On Display options
- Selfie camera portrait mode
- Improved accessibility.
- Improved keyboard performance
- Improved the delay of keyboard input when installing multiple market apps at once.
- Photo display error in some apps since Google's latest security patch has been improved.
- Improved to keep app aspect ratio settings after app updates.
- Improved the phenomenon that fine lines are displayed on some screens when power saving mode is executed.
- Google Security Update has enhanced your phone's security.
Most of the list is found here in the link below -- plus the AOD and selfie camera portrait feature are from public reports. The AOD I verified myself, but the selfie thing seems to be subtle.
https://www.lge.co.kr/lgekor/contents/mobile/swUpgradeDetail.do?swSeq=621
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niirb said:
Thanks for all the replies! I skipped straight to oreo when I got my phone so that's why I'm unsure of things. May I ask what DTS is since all of you are mentioning it here?
Also from my understanding feature wise there isn't MUCH of a difference between 7.0 and 8.0 and that's the only reason why I considered it. Granted there are a few things for sure but f rom some research I did i wouldn't miss anything that android in general gets in 8.0. Tho camera improvements do sound nice and that's something I'd like to have on my phone so high chance I'll just go to Oreo.
EDIT: Are there any super minimal oreo roms you guys would recommend? My phone is not rooted (yet) but I would consider it if there are any minimal roms around that improve performance/battery life. Tho I'll dive into searching the forums cause I bet similar questions have been asked before.
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Root Oreo ROM and install Ceres kernel on it. You'll be happy.
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Root Oreo ROM and install Ceres kernel on it. You'll be happy.
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That's going to be the plan for now thanks!
I run stock Oreo 22j in my H930, it's perfectly stable, fast and great battery life. For aesthetic you just need to play with it a little bit, try to find some launcher, icon pack and widgets to your liking.
Hello everyone!
I have a question regarding Pie (official) on the LG V30, I understand there is a US998 version of Pie, I already frankensteined (?) an H931 to US998, unlocked bootloader and rooted. I was about to update to Pie but was wondering if its worth it? I bought this phone recently with Oreo on it and the AT&T rom. Downgraded to Nougat as per Frankenstein method instructions and went back up to Oreo, this time US998, was able to unlock bootloader and root. For the little while I was on Nougat, could definitely tell the battery did not drain as quick as on Oreo (as I had read before buying the phone) and I read some users started getting battery life back with Pie, among a few Pie features. But I also heard, updating to Pie actually changes the partition structure and thus making it harder to install custom roms in the future? is that true? I'm wondering mostly because I would like to extend the life of the device eventually and going the Android 10 route (LOS or whatever) or similar. I did this with the LG G3 back in the day, using crDroid Nougat which made it faster than ever, had all nougat features, no bloatware, lots of stable features of the rom itself, and made the battery better than ever. My original idea was to update to Pie then do a factory reset to make sure everything works as it should.
TLDR: Should I update to Pie? or stay in Oreo?
Thanks.
You can always upgrade to pie at any point right? So why give it a go when you gone through Oreo custom ROMs too
I came from Oreo don't see much night and day difference just a few e.g pill navigation , LG's dual apps(works with a selective few)
Also right now custom Roms for Oreo are better compared to Android 10 ROMs for this device ,go for a AOSP pie (e.g havoc 9) give it a try
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techyrock said:
You can always upgrade to pie at any point right? So why give it a go when you gone through Oreo custom ROMs too
I came from Oreo don't see much night and day difference just a few e.g pill navigation , LG's dual apps(works with a selective few)
Also right now custom Roms for Oreo are better compared to Android 10 ROMs for this device ,go for a AOSP pie (e.g havoc 9) give it a try
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Thanks for the quick reply! Are there custom roms that have, eg: better battery life and quad dac working normally? I mean, the battery is not bad, but I can tell there is a certain drain compared to the stock Nougat the phone comes with (again though, I bought this refurbished with Oreo already on it).
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Thanks for the quick reply! Are there custom roms that have, eg: better battery life and quad dac working normally? I mean, the battery is not bad, but I can tell there is a certain drain compared to the stock Nougat the phone comes with (again though, I bought this refurbished with Oreo already on it).
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I didn't notice that much of a battery differences in between Pie and Oreo,
both being rooted in similar apps Pie might be slightly better? Or maybe same, like there wasn't dramatic drain on Oreo for me to be forced to come back to Pie,
Hmm among custom ROM I haven't had much of luck meaning I have Havoc a try and since I was coming from pie to Oreo to havoc couldn't get it working without permissive kernel and then didn't bother and flashed PIE zip I have lots of data 6gb WhatsApp alone so I avoid swapping ROMs I'll thought when I get the V40 or V30+ or smth with 845~855
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Moonfrost said:
Hello everyone!
I have a question regarding Pie (official) on the LG V30, I understand there is a US998 version of Pie, I already frankensteined (?) an H931 to US998, unlocked bootloader and rooted. I was about to update to Pie but was wondering if its worth it? I bought this phone recently with Oreo on it and the AT&T rom. Downgraded to Nougat as per Frankenstein method instructions and went back up to Oreo, this time US998, was able to unlock bootloader and root. For the little while I was on Nougat, could definitely tell the battery did not drain as quick as on Oreo (as I had read before buying the phone) and I read some users started getting battery life back with Pie, among a few Pie features. But I also heard, updating to Pie actually changes the partition structure and thus making it harder to install custom roms in the future? is that true? I'm wondering mostly because I would like to extend the life of the device eventually and going the Android 10 route (LOS or whatever) or similar. I did this with the LG G3 back in the day, using crDroid Nougat which made it faster than ever, had all nougat features, no bloatware, lots of stable features of the rom itself, and made the battery better than ever. My original idea was to update to Pie then do a factory reset to make sure everything works as it should.
TLDR: Should I update to Pie? or stay in Oreo?
Thanks.
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Just make sure you update to latest Oreo, not the early Oreo needed for Bootloader Unlock. You need latest Oreo for DTS 3D Stereo and the many camera improvements.
I'm still on rooted stock US998 20h Oreo.
For using android 10 ROMs you'd need to have stock pie
But to use pie aosp it'd be best if you stay with stock oreo as Android 10 ROMs have a few bugs
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/how-to/detailed-guide-aosp-roms-issues-solution-t4002535
Yep, seen that, I was doing some research. I think I will just stick to newest Oreo for now and try some custom pie roms, such as Havoc OS. Eventually, if I see any stable Android 10 roms appear, I'll move to that. Thanks for your help!
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Just make sure you update to latest Oreo, not the early Oreo needed for Bootloader Unlock. You need latest Oreo for DTS 3D Stereo and the many camera improvements.
I'm still on rooted stock US998 20h Oreo.
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Hi Chazz,
I still have LG V30 h931 US998 20h rooted (stock) following your instructions. It has been solid as a rock, and I can do anything I need to with it. Recently picked up a One Plus 9 pro and I am seriously considering returning it before the 14 days run out. Battery life on my V30 is measured in days, not hours.
Just not seeing all that much increased performance to justify the 1k price. If I return it, I will get a Nord 10 and save a lot of cash.
Thanks for your hard work on this device. I hope there is a decent mod or update around the bend for this great phone someday soon.
hammeru said:
Hi Chazz,
I still have LG V30 h931 US998 20h rooted (stock) following your instructions. It has been solid as a rock, and I can do anything I need to with it. Recently picked up a One Plus 9 pro and I am seriously considering returning it before the 14 days run out. Battery life on my V30 is measured in days, not hours.
Just not seeing all that much increased performance to justify the 1k price. If I return it, I will get a Nord 10 and save a lot of cash.
Thanks for your hard work on this device. I hope there is a decent mod or update around the bend for this great phone someday soon.
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Hi Chazz,
I just installed DTS 3D Stereo and it appears to be working with the eq add-on installed as well.
In your opinion, Which are the better camera mods and what do I need to be careful about if installing one?
Since the DTS 3D installed without issue am I good to go? (I should know this already right?)
Thank you so much for your help and support to all of the V30 fans for so long. I now have a Pixel 4A 5G as a tester and I am still not overly impressed with it over my rooted 2017 LG V30. A camera upgrade via software would likely keep me happy with this phone for several more years.
hammeru said:
Hi Chazz,
I just installed DTS 3D Stereo and it appears to be working with the eq add-on installed as well.
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You're welcome.
hammeru said:
In your opinion, Which are the better camera mods and what do I need to be careful about if installing one?
Since the DTS 3D installed without issue am I good to go? (I should know this already right?)
Thank you so much for your help and support to all of the V30 fans for so long. I now have a Pixel 4A 5G as a tester and I am still not overly impressed with it over my rooted 2017 LG V30. A camera upgrade via software would likely keep me happy with this phone for several more years.
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There are plenty of GCam versions out there but I admit I have lost track of which ones are better. In the first year of development, there was always something wrong with them and most people ended up using two different versions for various scenarios. i.e. one for wide angle, one for regular lens, etc. Maybe that all got fixed, but I am not sure. Then TotallyAnxious developed her omnibus module which included camera from the V35/V40, but her module is no longer available.
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You're welcome.
There are plenty of GCam versions out there but I admit I have lost track of which ones are better. In the first year of development, there was always something wrong with them and most people ended up using two different versions for various scenarios. i.e. one for wide angle, one for regular lens, etc. Maybe that all got fixed, but I am not sure. Then TotallyAnxious developed her omnibus module which included camera from the V35/V40, but her module is no longer available.
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Thank you for the reply, I will let you know what I end up doing and if it ended up being an improvement.
Frankly the V30 camera is decent enough for most of what what I need it for.
FWIW, I am still on Oreo and I use Arnova's mod for GCam 6.1 (the latest version usable on Oreo... newer revs require Pie or higher). I found that the recommendations at this link worked best for me, in general: https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-suggested/
I use the stock cam as well as this one as needed... this one does crash sometimes, but it works great for night-sight pictures, which is all I use it for.
Which is better as a daily. I'm already unlocked and rooted on Oreo... Runs perfect but I've read multiple comments about Pie being better...
Is it true? Opinions please and why...
Thanks. Hope everyone is safe at home
If you're happy with oreo. Don't upgrade to pie.
Oreo FTW. I'm still running it on 5 of our family's phones.
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Which is better as a daily. I'm already unlocked and rooted on Oreo... Runs perfect but I've read multiple comments about Pie being better...
Is it true? Opinions please and why...
Thanks. Hope everyone is safe at home
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Especially for US998, nothing about Pie is "better" than the last stable Oreo. I'm on rooted Oreo with Magisk mods. US998 Pie is wonky and lots of trouble. LG never released the Open Market US998 Pie but only the U.S. Cellular US998 Pie. For people using other carriers like Verizon, some functionality is lost vs the Open Market US998 Oreo. For other Pie KDZ, it's a mixed bag.
However, if you decide to check it out and don't like it, then downgrading from Pie back to Oreo causes issues with camera, flashlight and other sensors and while there is the a workaround which mostly works, you still risk having to use permissive kernel/mode. I have this warning at the top of every Pie KDZ thread.
On stock Pie seems LG slowed the charging speed and one of our Telegram devs (who works on a stock-based Pie ROM) made a list of other stuff LG degraded in stock Pie vs stock Oreo. I just asked him to re-submit it and I'll post it here.
HOWEVER, to run AOSP/LOS-17 based ROMs you do need to install stock Pie. But I have never run a custom ROM on this phone since I bought it. In the past, since like 2010, I've had custom ROMs on every other Android phone and tablet -- and helped friends do the same. But on this phone, I kept it rooted stock with a couple of mods. Our AOSP custom ROM devs work very hard and we appreciate the developments -- but with my current job I need my phone to work at all times of the day and night. Best for me personally to run rooted stock.
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From Aeron Li, the dev for AIX (stock based Pie ROM) and AIS (stock based Oreo ROM):
The pros and cons of Stock 9 Pie for LG v30:
CONS:
- lowered the processor frequencies at 518/800 MHz instead of 300 MHz and the Adreno graphics core at 257 MHz instead of 180 MHz in the Governor Interactive scheduler, which always works out of the box by default. Changing the scheduler requires a root and specialized programs for editing CPU / GPU parameters.
The result is twofold, on the one hand, an increase in speed (vaunted smoothness of the UI, which, in principle, is achievable by slightly different, MUCH MORE HUMAN METHODS) on the other hand, is a decrease in the battery life of the device, but since Android 9 has additional means of optimizing the battery, this is not so noticeable. Consider, the life time remained almost the same, but as a result we were simply deceived, because Google promises with the transition from Oreo to Pie an improvement in battery time, but in fact we do not have this.
- Lightweight sound driver. Stock Oreo calmly supports 384kHz / 32bit sound, and if you have certain tools, you can reconfigure it to output sound with improved quality by recounting with Aqstic and QuadDAC Saber. The 9 Pie driver does not have such an opportunity.
-LG removed FULLY ANT + support from 9 Pie. These are widely used (in Europe, the USA, Korea for sure) medical and sports devices - scales, sports trackers, bicycle microcomputers, etc. Why so is a mystery to me. It's a shame.
- device performance profiles + Thermal Engine profiles. They are awful. Not only that, in conjunction with the overestimated frequencies of the scheduler, by default the phone quickly “warms up”, thanks to them it starts to throttle faster to cool off. therefore, User Expirience is getting worse.
- depending on the region, the camera is trimmed in functionality. The same CinemaMode can write video either in FHD maximum or in UHD.
- Depending on the region, the WiFi settings functionality is cut. For example, for America, settings for displaying WiFi networks by signal level are available, the ability to select the carrier frequency for connecting to dual-frequency routers (auto / 2.49 / 5GHz), it is possible to choose the priority and the WiFi zone depending on the location (home / work / street ), there is an automatic connection to specialized WiFi XT networks.
- at some regions there is no way to transfer the access point to the 5GHz band. Only 2.4 GHz mode is available.
- Gestures (yes, neutered) are implemented using the launcher and not at the level of the system framework. Of course, I don’t know whether it was Google who originally did 9 Pie this way, or whether LG tried it. But for me, this is a minus of the system.
- no AR emoticons in the selfie camera. Minus for an amateur, but still.
- There is no DTS-X implementation for speakers. Moreover, the hardware is supported by us, and the mode can even be turned on, however, due to the cut-off audio path, it simply will not work.
-No equalizer as in older models, the same G7. At the same time, if you just install the application from the older device into the system (and add some string into build.prop), it will appear in the settings and work!
-A controversial point, but for me this is a huge minus. Again, I don’t know, maybe it’s because of Android 9 Pie, or LG is to blame, there is no choice to determine the geolocation in an expanded form (GPS + A-GPS + for mobile networks / GPS / For mobile networks). In addition, VERY increased battery consumption by the item "Help search for WiFi networks to improve geolocation". The fad consumes up to 2% of the battery in 8 hours. Someone does not care, but someone cherishes literally every milliampere-hour of the battery.
- degraded HEVC decoder. Cannot normally decode HFR (High Frame Rate) videos - videos with FPS over 60 - 120/240 fps. All your slow-mo recorded in HEVC will appear with overcontrast and hue.
PROS:
- fluent UI
- more CPU/GPU performance
- Newer API, support for newer games, apps, Vulkan API
- newer security patches (last was from december' 2019 at South Korean v300 device firmware)
- better CPU utilizing for idle mode and DOZE mode
In principle, these are the main disadvantages of the drain of LG Android 9 Pie. At least what I remembered now.
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Nothing about Pie is "better" than the last stable Oreo. I'm on rooted Oreo with Magisk mods.
However downgrading from Pie back to Oreo causes issues with camera, flashlight and other sensors and while there is the a workaround which mostly works, you still risk having to use permissive kernel/mode. I have this warning at the top of every Pie KDZ thread.
On stock Pie seems LG slowed the charging speed and one of our Telegram devs made a list of other stuff LG degraded in stock Pie vs stock Oreo. I just asked him to re-submit it and I'll post it here.
HOWEVER, to run LOS-17 based ROMs you need to install stock Pie. But I have never run a custom ROM on this phone since I bought it. In the past, since like 2010, I've had custom ROMs on every other Android phone and tablet -- and helped friends do the same. But on this phone, I kept it rooted stock with a couple of mods.
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Thank you for the detailed reply. I understand... Even I've read countless complains regarding Pie for the v30 ... I too am rooted on stock Oreo and it's been fantastic for me. However... I have a G6 that's on Pie but it's not usable, it's way too slow and being a Verizon phone, it's bootloader is locked... I thought moving to Pie would help with the v30 but I feel that is not the case.
Looks like I'll be sticking to Oreo.
Thanks again. Hope y'all are safe at home
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If you're happy with oreo. Don't upgrade to pie.
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Thanks man
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Oreo FTW. I'm still running it on 5 of our family's phones.
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Understood. Thanks for replying
Is the battery better on pie? Is there a difference in this case?
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Is the battery better on pie? Is there a difference in this case?
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No difference on battery usage itself, but charging is slower.
Oreo, ESPECIALLY if you have a US998.
Using Ting on T-Mobile's network, I upgraded both me and my wife's US998 models to pie after purchasing them about a year ago. I knew going in that Pie doesn't support VOLTE or WIFI Calling for T-Mobile (at least not with the US998 model) but I didn't expect it to be that big of a deal, considering I really don't care much about those features.
Now, keep in mind we don't do a lot of voice calling but the last couple of months we noticed that we had phone calls going straight to voicemail, and noticing some SMS messages took FOREVER to get, however clicking Airplane Mode on and off again would make them appear instantly. I never could figure it out until TING told me it was because the traditional 2G networks were being de-prioritized. Basically, without VOLTE if the towers are busy older tech gets put on the back burner - so calls and some SMS text messages won't go through.
Now with my wife working from home she had constant struggles getting calls to connect, and she was missing a lot of calls and texts from her work. A few days ago I reverted both phones to Oreo and everything is working perfectly.
MasterTec said:
Oreo, ESPECIALLY if you have a US998.
Using Ting on T-Mobile's network, I upgraded both me and my wife's US998 models to pie after purchasing them about a year ago. I knew going in that Pie doesn't support VOLTE or WIFI Calling for T-Mobile (at least not with the US998 model) but I didn't expect it to be that big of a deal, considering I really don't care much about those features.
Now, keep in mind we don't do a lot of voice calling but the last couple of months we noticed that we had phone calls going straight to voicemail, and noticing some SMS messages took FOREVER to get, however clicking Airplane Mode on and off again would make them appear instantly. I never could figure it out until TING told me it was because the traditional 2G networks were being de-prioritized. Basically, without VOLTE if the towers are busy older tech gets put on the back burner - so calls and some SMS text messages won't go through.
Now with my wife working from home she had constant struggles getting calls to connect, and she was missing a lot of calls and texts from her work. A few days ago I reverted both phones to Oreo and everything is working perfectly.
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I understand, looks like I'll be staying on Oreo, and downgrading my old G6 to Oreo as well. It felt much smoother. On Pie it feels terrible
ChazzMatt said:
Especially for US998, nothing about Pie is "better" than the last stable Oreo. I'm on rooted Oreo with Magisk mods. US998 Pie is wonky and lots of trouble. LG never released the Open Market US998 Pie but only the U.S. Cellular US998 Pie. For people using other carriers like Verizon, some functionality is lost vs the Open Market US998 Oreo. For other Pie KDZ, it's a mixed bag.
However, if you decide to check it out and don't like it, then downgrading from Pie back to Oreo causes issues with camera, flashlight and other sensors and while there is the a workaround which mostly works, you still risk having to use permissive kernel/mode. I have this warning at the top of every Pie KDZ thread.
On stock Pie seems LG slowed the charging speed and one of our Telegram devs (who works on a stock-based Pie ROM) made a list of other stuff LG degraded in stock Pie vs stock Oreo. I just asked him to re-submit it and I'll post it here.
HOWEVER, to run AOSP/LOS-17 based ROMs you do need to install stock Pie. But I have never run a custom ROM on this phone since I bought it. In the past, since like 2010, I've had custom ROMs on every other Android phone and tablet -- and helped friends do the same. But on this phone, I kept it rooted stock with a couple of mods. Our AOSP custom ROM devs work very hard and we appreciate the developments -- but with my current job I need my phone to work at all times of the day and night. Best for me personally to run rooted stock.
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From Aeron Li, the dev for AIX (stock based Pie ROM) and AIS (stock based Oreo ROM):
The pros and cons of Stock 9 Pie for LG v30:
CONS:
- lowered the processor frequencies at 518/800 MHz instead of 300 MHz and the Adreno graphics core at 257 MHz instead of 180 MHz in the Governor Interactive scheduler, which always works out of the box by default. Changing the scheduler requires a root and specialized programs for editing CPU / GPU parameters.
The result is twofold, on the one hand, an increase in speed (vaunted smoothness of the UI, which, in principle, is achievable by slightly different, MUCH MORE HUMAN METHODS) on the other hand, is a decrease in the battery life of the device, but since Android 9 has additional means of optimizing the battery, this is not so noticeable. Consider, the life time remained almost the same, but as a result we were simply deceived, because Google promises with the transition from Oreo to Pie an improvement in battery time, but in fact we do not have this.
- Lightweight sound driver. Stock Oreo calmly supports 384kHz / 32bit sound, and if you have certain tools, you can reconfigure it to output sound with improved quality by recounting with Aqstic and QuadDAC Saber. The 9 Pie driver does not have such an opportunity.
-LG removed FULLY ANT + support from 9 Pie. These are widely used (in Europe, the USA, Korea for sure) medical and sports devices - scales, sports trackers, bicycle microcomputers, etc. Why so is a mystery to me. It's a shame.
- device performance profiles + Thermal Engine profiles. They are awful. Not only that, in conjunction with the overestimated frequencies of the scheduler, by default the phone quickly “warms up”, thanks to them it starts to throttle faster to cool off. therefore, User Expirience is getting worse.
- depending on the region, the camera is trimmed in functionality. The same CinemaMode can write video either in FHD maximum or in UHD.
- Depending on the region, the WiFi settings functionality is cut. For example, for America, settings for displaying WiFi networks by signal level are available, the ability to select the carrier frequency for connecting to dual-frequency routers (auto / 2.49 / 5GHz), it is possible to choose the priority and the WiFi zone depending on the location (home / work / street ), there is an automatic connection to specialized WiFi XT networks.
- at some regions there is no way to transfer the access point to the 5GHz band. Only 2.4 GHz mode is available.
- Gestures (yes, neutered) are implemented using the launcher and not at the level of the system framework. Of course, I don’t know whether it was Google who originally did 9 Pie this way, or whether LG tried it. But for me, this is a minus of the system.
- no AR emoticons in the selfie camera. Minus for an amateur, but still.
- There is no DTS-X implementation for speakers. Moreover, the hardware is supported by us, and the mode can even be turned on, however, due to the cut-off audio path, it simply will not work.
-No equalizer as in older models, the same G7. At the same time, if you just install the application from the older device into the system (and add some string into build.prop), it will appear in the settings and work!
-A controversial point, but for me this is a huge minus. Again, I don’t know, maybe it’s because of Android 9 Pie, or LG is to blame, there is no choice to determine the geolocation in an expanded form (GPS + A-GPS + for mobile networks / GPS / For mobile networks). In addition, VERY increased battery consumption by the item "Help search for WiFi networks to improve geolocation". The fad consumes up to 2% of the battery in 8 hours. Someone does not care, but someone cherishes literally every milliampere-hour of the battery.
- degraded HEVC decoder. Cannot normally decode HFR (High Frame Rate) videos - videos with FPS over 60 - 120/240 fps. All your slow-mo recorded in HEVC will appear with overcontrast and hue.
PROS:
- fluent UI
- more CPU/GPU performance
- Newer API, support for newer games, apps, Vulkan API
- newer security patches (last was from december' 2019 at South Korean v300 device firmware)
- better CPU utilizing for idle mode and DOZE mode
In principle, these are the main disadvantages of the drain of LG Android 9 Pie. At least what I remembered now.
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Hi..I am using stock Oreo (V20F-IND-XX) without rooted on H930DS Indian variant. I am interested to root and downloaded all necessary files from WTF. Can you suggest what mods can be installed after rooting in oreo. ?Its not like i m lazy to search on forums. Since you are very much active in using V30 i thought you might have an clear idea.
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Hi..I am using stock Oreo (V20F-IND-XX) without rooted on H930DS Indian variant. I am interested to root and downloaded all necessary files from WTF. Can you suggest what mods can be installed after rooting in oreo. ?Its not like i m lazy to search on forums. Since you are very much active in using V30 i thought you might have an clear idea.
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First of all, rooting is a philosophy. It means you actually own your phone. Like being the "admin" of your own handheld computer. Until you root your phone, the OEM/carrier still has full control. Three years ago, Samsung bricked the new state-of the-art Note 7 phones on purpose (due to the controversial battery issues) with a forced "brick" update -- to force users to trade that phone to get lesser phones like Galaxy S7 (which at that point was over a year old). This proved Samsung really still "owned" and controlled those devices. So, most people had paid hundreds of dollars to basically RENT their phones from Samsung. Still the property of Samsung. But not all Note 7 phones had bad batteries, and many users LOVED their Note 7 phones. The few people who got to KEEP their Note 7 phones were those who had rooted their phones. Samsung couldn't force the BRICK update on them. So, they were the real owners, not Samsung.
In the beginning with Android it was assumed you would want to root your phone. Why would you own a computer you weren't the admin? Android is based on Linux and you can root to add more options, more features, improve performance. Only in the past 3 or 4 years have OEMs/carriers really locked down phones and users are being brainwashed to believe root isn't "necessary". Please. Until you root, it's not really your phone.
Yes, in the future it may be impossible to root as OEM security measures have gotten tighter. But until it becomes impossible, I want to own my own phone.
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Second, with root you can install not only Magisk mods but also Xposed mods. Xposed framework is installed as a Magisk mod, then you install Xposed mods in that framework. If you're concerned about passing Safety Net for Xposed mods there's a branch called edXposed which hides root like Magisk does for their mods.
Gravity Box is probably the best known Xposed mod, and can be installed with edXposed. It's like a full custom ROM in one module with dozens of features, options. ROM-IN-A-BOX. While it's really designed to work with pure Android, the stock LG GUI is light enough most features work. This article will tell you some about Gravity Box in general. Here's also a YouTube video. You would want the Oreo version, of course.
Main features
- QuickSettings tile management with additional tiles
- Pie Controls
- Expanded desktop with semi-immersive and immersive modes
- Lockscreen tweaks
- Statusbar tweaks
- Navigation bar tweaks
- Power tweaks
- Display tweaks
- Media tweaks
- Phone tweaks
- Hardware key actions
- Launcher tweaks
- Screen recording
- Smart radio
- Notification control (per-app notification LED/sounds/vibrations)
- Fingerprint Launcher
- Advanced tuning of Framework and System UI parameters
... and many more
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I do not have edXposed installed myself -- I don't care about passing Safety Net -- but I wrote up instructions in the Guide section for installing edXposed several months ago.
See attached Screenshots for the mods I have installed. This is just my choice and you may want others.
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Third, with this V30 phone you need root to enable the DTS 3D SURROUND stereo framework which LG delivered with latter Oreo builds. This is also why you need to update to latest Oreo after initial bootloader unlock on early Oreo. The TWRP flashable zips have it already configured, and you just flash Magisk -- or if you flash full image KDZ you can change build prop yourself.
ChazzMatt said:
First of all, rooting is a philosophy. It means you actually own your phone. Like being the "admin" of your own handheld computer. Until you root your phone, the OEM/carrier still has full control. Three years ago, Samsung bricked the new state-of the-art Note 7 phones on purpose (due to the controversial battery issues) with a forced "brick" update -- to force users to trade that phone to get lesser phones like Galaxy S7 (which at that point was over a year old). This proved Samsung really still "owned" and controlled those devices. So, most people had paid hundreds of dollars to basically RENT their phones from Samsung. Still the property of Samsung. But not all Note 7 phones had bad batteries, and many users LOVED their Note 7 phones. The few people who got to KEEP their Note 7 phones were those who had rooted their phones. Samsung couldn't force the BRICK update on them. So, they were the real owners, not Samsung.
In the beginning with Android it was assumed you would want to root your phone. Why would you own a computer you weren't the admin? Android is based on Linux and you can root to add more options, more features, improve performance. Only in the past 3 or 4 years have OEMs/carriers really locked down phones and users are being brainwashed to believe root isn't "necessary". Please. Until you root, it's not really your phone.
Yes, in the future it may be impossible to root as OEM security measures have gotten tighter. But until it becomes impossible, I want to own my own phone.
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Second, with root you can install not only Magisk mods but also Xposed mods. Xposed framework is installed as a Magisk mod, then you install Xposed mods in that framework. If you're concerned about passing Safety Net for Xposed mods there's a branch called edXposed which hides root like Magisk does for their mods.
Gravity Box is probably the best known Xposed mod, and can be installed with edXposed. It's like a full custom ROM in one module with dozens of features, options. ROM-IN-A-BOX. While it's really designed to work with pure Android, the stock LG GUI is light enough most features work. This article will tell you some about Gravity Box in general. Here's also a YouTube video. You would want the Oreo version, of course.
I do not have edXposed installed myself -- I don't care about passing Safety Net -- but I wrote up instructions in the Guide section for installing edXposed several months ago.
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Thanks for the heads up... About to root my phone
ChazzMatt said:
First of all, rooting is a philosophy. It means you actually own your phone. Like being the "admin" of your own handheld computer. Until you root your phone, the OEM/carrier still has full control. Three years ago, Samsung bricked the new state-of the-art Note 7 phones on purpose (due to the controversial battery issues) with a forced "brick" update -- to force users to trade that phone to get lesser phones like Galaxy S7 (which at that point was over a year old). This proved Samsung really still "owned" and controlled those devices. So, most people had paid hundreds of dollars to basically RENT their phones from Samsung. Still the property of Samsung. But not all Note 7 phones had bad batteries, and many users LOVED their Note 7 phones. The few people who got to KEEP their Note 7 phones were those who had rooted their phones. Samsung couldn't force the BRICK update on them. So, they were the real owners, not Samsung.
In the beginning with Android it was assumed you would want to root your phone. Why would you own a computer you weren't the admin? Android is based on Linux and you can root to add more options, more features, improve performance. Only in the past 3 or 4 years have OEMs/carriers really locked down phones and users are being brainwashed to believe root isn't "necessary". Please. Until you root, it's not really your phone.
Yes, in the future it may be impossible to root as OEM security measures have gotten tighter. But until it becomes impossible, I want to own my own phone.
________
Second, with root you can install not only Magisk mods but also Xposed mods. Xposed framework is installed as a Magisk mod, then you install Xposed mods in that framework. If you're concerned about passing Safety Net for Xposed mods there's a branch called edXposed which hides root like Magisk does for their mods.
Gravity Box is probably the best known Xposed mod, and can be installed with edXposed. It's like a full custom ROM in one module with dozens of features, options. ROM-IN-A-BOX. While it's really designed to work with pure Android, the stock LG GUI is light enough most features work. This article will tell you some about Gravity Box in general. Here's also a YouTube video. You would want the Oreo version, of course.
I do not have edXposed installed myself -- I don't care about passing Safety Net -- but I wrote up instructions in the Guide section for installing edXposed several months ago.
See attached Screenshots for the mods I have installed. This is just my choice and you may want others.
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Third, with this V30 phone you need root to enable the DTS 3D SURROUND stereo framework LG delivered with latter Oreo.
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I am curious about xposed, wasn't edxposed a requirement to get those modules running?
Could you please link the relevant forum where you've written about installing it without edxposed?
jafferkhan said:
I am curious about xposed, wasn't edxposed a requirement to get those modules running?
Could you please link the relevant forum where you've written about installing it without edxposed?
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edXPosed is only a requirement to have xposed modules running AND pass Safety Net.
"Regular" xposed doesn't pass Safety Net. But I don't care about Safety Net. I carry my wallet with me when I go out, my banking app doesn't rely on Safety Net to let me use it -- it relies on password or fingerprint. I don't play games which require Safety Net. If/when I ever do care about Safety Net I'll go back and install the edxposed version of xposed.
To just install xposed you install the "xposed framework" magisk module. See my screenshots a couple of posts up for Magisk modules. One of them is xposed framework. Then once that is installed and you reboot, you can install whatever xposed modules you want. I installed Oreo Gravity Box and a couple of others. In that post with the screenshots I also gave link to the Oreo Gravity Box.
jafferkhan said:
I understand, looks like I'll be staying on Oreo, and downgrading my old G6 to Oreo as well. It felt much smoother. On Pie it feels terrible
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Actually it's a shame because my phone worked so much better with PIE. Battery life was way better and everything just seemed smoother and more reliable. Not that there are really any specific problems with OREO but I did notice my battery life took a hit and the phone is a bit less butter, but really I have no complaints.
Until someone figures out how to port the VOLTE functions to PIE on the US998 (without bricking the phone) my options are pretty limited, and I'm too cheap to buy a new phone when the old one works just fine.
I'm using Pie (JF zip), and it looks like volte and wifi calling are working. These are screenshots from two diff phones, because one phone has a t-mobile sim - which allows wifi calling (no doubt it works, I've used it), and the other phone has a mint mobile sim (using t-mo networks) and it shows the HD icon which I believe indicates using volte? The mint sim doesn't allow wifi calling, they indicate as much on website, the only v30 they allow wifi calling have t-mo imei.
I'm very happy with Pie, works great imo
AsItLies said:
I'm using Pie (JF zip), and it looks like volte and wifi calling are working. These are screenshots from two diff phones, because one phone has a t-mobile sim - which allows wifi calling (no doubt it works, I've used it), and the other phone has a mint mobile sim (using t-mo networks) and it shows the HD icon which I believe indicates using volte? The mint sim doesn't allow wifi calling, they indicate as much on website, the only v30 they allow wifi calling have t-mo imei.
I'm very happy with Pie, works great imo
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On 2nd screenshot i see "4G LTE". That's just the LTE icon in U.S. Whereas in U.S., stupidly "4G" icon is really HSPA.
Where is this HD icon you are talking about?
ChazzMatt said:
Where is this HD icon you are talking about?
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I assume @AsItLies is referring to the green "HD" dial button. That's how I remember it looking when I had my H932 on T-Mo.
I'm right now trying to get VoLTE (HD Voice) working on my US998 with Red Pocket GSMA, after they enabled it on all networks: GSMT (T-Mo), GSMA (AT&T), CDMA (Verizon) and CDMAS (Sprint, select phones only). They used to only have it on GSMT.
https://help.redpocket.com/hc/en-us...-and-can-I-use-it-with-my-Red-Pocket-service-
So far I haven't been able to make it work on US998, but I've only just begun. I have one on Oreo 20h and one on Pie 30b.
Both these phones came with 30b (from YYWireless on eBay) and in my case Pie worked flawlessly on both. I rolled back to Oreo on one of the phones because I had an app that doesn't work on Pie, and probably never will. Pie is undeniably a bit slower, more lagging. Disabling SRTC and LDB/MLT helps a lot, and after also disabling animation it's fine. But no doubt Oreo is faster. OTOH, I have LTE issues on Oreo (phone only reluctantly connects to LTE, prefers HSPA, spends long time searching for network after every boot) whereas on Pie it was perfect (and still is on the other Pie phone). Also, the "Adaptive battery" feature on Pie is brilliant.
I've considered upgrading the Oreo phone back to Pie to see if the LTE problem goes away, or whether it's a persistent modem issue. But I would roll back to Oreo anyway, and right now it is not a high priority in my life.