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I have read that taskkiller is not necessary on Android as the OS will kill off running apps when it needs memory - what are people's thoughts on this?
Hmmm...I read somewhere (maybe on here) heard if the App is coded properly that when not in use it will be background so not take up memory.
Not too knowledgable, but in that case would imagine they are acting like a windows service so will be taking up memory somewhere....so perhaps what I read was nonsense
Well, I have stopped killing tasks and guess what - I notice no difference at all! Hero is just as speedy (or slow depending on how you wanna look at it!).
Interesting!
Killing truly idle applications wont have significant effect. There are however many applications which appear idle, but still drains resources. An example is Peep, the twitter client, which starts automatically even if there's no twitter account configured. It has some frequent checks that put load on the CPU and thus helps drain power. Killing it adds many hours of standby time.
i'm not using any task manager/killer, did try them for a couple of days, can't really tell the difference, except i was wasting time constantly killing apps :/
suisen said:
i'm not using any task manager/killer, did try them for a couple of days, can't really tell the difference, except i was wasting time constantly killing apps :/
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Ditto... surely there is no need as the OS will kill a unused app if it needs the memory ??? I don't have any problem running any apps one after the other... they just load.
The only lag I get is while the handset starts a widget update, once they are started everything runs slickly.
I found it a little slicker without taskiller. Especially in the use of big apps like copilot or documents2go. It seems to be managing itself pretty well.
Yep. I can report that the phone is working very well without Taskkiller. I have uninstalled it now.
If you are reading this, give it a try for a few days and tell us what you think. You may be pleasantly surprised...
Ditto - I've removed taskiller so I don't get tempted. Surprise surprise, no problems, no lag, etc. Now mostly this is due to removing the clock and people widget, but memory management seems fine after playing many different games and browsing the internet.
I think a benefit to doing this is that you aren't going to get and bizarre problems caused by killing system processes by accident - ie you won't miss alarms or stop receiving email alerts.
Hi Everyone,
Basically, I got my Samsung Galaxy Player 4.0 in January, and when it comes to the features, I have been loving it. This is my first Android device.
However, I have been having problems lately. First, some basic information: it's an 8gb device, and I have a 32gb class 10 microSD card in it. I have a huge number of apps on it (over 200), however, I keep careful tabs on what is running in the background, reporting an app if it runs in the background even when not needed and that will reopen if killed, and if I don't really need it, deleting it after a week. I've only had to do that with a couple of apps so far. As I use this a lot as a PDA (I don't have a phone, this basically covers those bases), I have a couple of things that always run in the background, which I want there (textplus, Linphone, MailDroid, SwipePad). After getting rid of the services that I don't need, I'm still looking at over 100MB free RAM. I'm still on the stock ROM, and I'm using GO launcher Ex. I reboot daily.
My problem is that it crashes often - sometimes daily. Usually, it will go something like this: An application freezes, the whole system becomes unresponsive, and I either have to reboot it by holding down the power button for 8 (?) seconds, or something snags and it reboots by itself. Usually the first sign is that the haptic feedback for the home button comes about a second later after I press it - except then it is almost always too late. The power button will usually turn the screen on or off, but the lockscreen won't appear, I'll see the screen as it was before, frozen. Sometimes, it eventually reboots, while sometimes it doesn't, making me hold down the power button to reboot it, and sometimes, just as it will start "becoming unfrozen" (it goes to the home screen and it starts loading), it will reboot.
It seems to be that after an approximate time of active use, it will crash. Before that, apps can freeze, FC, and within a few seconds, I'll be back on the home screen or in another app, doing something else. After that, on the other hand, it seems to me that whenever an app freezes or has a problem, it basically takes down the whole system with it.
Something tells me that this isn't just normal (otherwise Android wouldn't have over 50% of smart phone market share ), because I haven't heard of problems like this before, and other people with Android I know don't seem to be having the same problems (if any, at all). I have been reading around, and saw some thread about another phone describing similar problems, and it turns out it was a motherboard problem, so the phone was returned for warranty, except I don't remember where that was, I'm just hoping it's something like that...
OK, now that you've read my long post (sorry, I thought it would be best to give more details than get asked about them), I really hope this isn't something normal, because outside of this problem, I'm really enjoying all the possibilities, capabilities and flexibilities of Android (I'm looking at you, iPod). It's really quite aggravating, today I lost my public transit itinerary on Google Maps (I feature I love), and thankfully, I remembered enough to make it through, but it is quite frustrating. Please tell me this is not Android being Android?
Go Launcher is not Officially supported on these devices and swallows the small amount of ram very quickly, I tried it for a day and got rid of it because of how badly it impacted performance.
edit: looks like since I tried it they added support for our players, still won't run it, its to much of a system hog.
I don't know, but I tried switching to the default launcher, and it already crashed earlier than usual. Any other ideas? I'll try some other launchers over the next few days.
Sounds like you are running out of system resources. You say you have a couple hundred apps installed and I bet some of those are becoming active and hogging precious ram and cpu resources in the background until the system crashes. I have a 2 year old Samsung Captivate and I only have minimal amount of apps because it will often big down and become unresponsive and crash. So before you head out to a repair shop, remove some of your many apps and see if that helps.
So, if I understand, even if an app runs in the background for a short period of time, it still consumes resources, even after it's stopped running?
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So, if I understand, even if an app runs in the background for a short period of time, it still consumes resources, even after it's stopped running?
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If you have a titanium backup freeze apps that run in backround and see what happens ..when you open programs they will stay in memory so use some memory kill widget to clean memory from time to time.I have a stock rom witch is not very good with memory menagment so sometimes when memory is full it just stop and only help is restarting ..so i use app "quick system info" which give you memory ajd cpy usage displayed in status bar and when memory is close 2 full i just click on that and it kill all other aps except what a use in that moment.
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So, basically, the ROM is to blame? As to Titanium backup, I think that needs root, and I'm not quite ready to root yet (I've done enough hacking on my iPod). I do plan on upgrading to android 4.0 eventually (once all the issues get fixed, this is my main device, after all), and I think I'm going to have to root it at that point, but I'll be able to test it on a different ROM then, as well as try freezing apps. For now, I've tried LauncherPro, which seems a lot more lightweight, and it seems to be making it through the day until I reboot, and seems to be very stable... it also loads my widgets lightnight fast, which is great.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I understand it is:
obviously there are memory leaks, every OS has that
Android will not kill services, but only programs
If there are places where memory can be freed, Android will do that when necessary
If no memory can be freed, and there is barely any memory left, than a minor FC or a frozen app is all it will need to push Android off the cliff
Is this the way it works? And, then, when I upgrade to 4.0 (CM9), most of those problems should be gone (because of better memory management)?
Planning on buying the 4G model, but I'm a bit worried because it's got only 1GB RAM.
Is it enough? How much RAM is free on boot? Will it slow down/ clear apps if I use FB messenger, reddit, soundcloud and chrome? Not looking at running 5+ apps in the background, so will it do?
For me it is enougth, the only apps with usually the phone closes itself are games, everyone else didnt
JuanAG said:
For me it is enougth, the only apps with usually the phone closes itself are games, everyone else didnt
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Do you multitask? How's the performance with 3-4 apps open?
I'm not a big multitasker, but I do cycle through apps a lot. Like I'll browse Facebook, then G+, then Twitter, then some websites, then maybe play a game or two. Even with heavy apps like Facebook and Clash of Clans recently open when I check the RAM I usually have around 34% free, and the phone is not sluggish. The only thing I do a lot is after I'm done with what I did I clear all apps from the recent apps menu. I don't like how 5.x stores so many snapshots of all the things I did. I like the old 4.x way where it only showed what apps you used, and not the exact place. I think if the phone slows down it's because of too many snapshots in the recent apps since it's holding all those in memory. Clear those, and the phone should get snappy again.
With the sotck rom i usually do because it doesnt have the clear all button like CM and it is very responsive and works fine, the unique apps who are disposed of the ram are games basically, firefox for example doesnt and it is a heavy app
I am happy, it is enough fast for me and i played so far everything i want
I am not happy. Usually my phone always have 200MB free ram but it closes simple applications as music players.
I was discussing that in this topic http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-e-2015/help/bug-music-players-suddenly-close-t3114383
Hi eveyone,
Title tells you everything. Why i made this conclusion? Because android nougat system uses all your RAM in vain.(I would like to mention that Linux os is famous for its low ram usage and fast ui so, google, why android is using so much RAM?) . Any installed app data which are stored on your Ram on a boot, so why apps are slowly opening,Why they are reloading everytime when switching back to that app? All apps which are running in multitasking mode(recents apps) when switching between apps , app is reloading but not switching to the last opened moment. Also there are some other bad behaviour like when youre updating your apps through google play store. If you switch to another app , google play app stops doing update process. These problems gets pixel and nexus devices and all devices which uses ROMs based on aosp or lineage.
I'm on a purenexus(aosp) rom and My device (kenzo)uses 1.8/1.8 GB of ram. It's a real problem. Comparing samsung galaxy s8 vs pixel device you can see what i'm talking about. (Youtube link is below) Why OEMs gets better results with their own UI and kernel customizations? Atleast, Can we get better Ram management on android o with stock kernel? I'm not talking about apple's iOS which is better in multitasking in any way..
https://youtu.be/UK8K-lhDFVw
I would like to get your opinion and suggestions how to improve RAM management on nougat. Atleast prove me that you don't have these my mentioned problems (please tell me your using ROM name, kernel and other mods you use).
Tried a lot ROMS but after some days of usage they end with poor ui performance with bad ram management behaviour..
Some saintly person with infinite knowledge is coming here to tell you that "free ram is wasted ram".
He won't care if your phone lags, apps reload and ui is unresponsive. He'll just repeat his favorite phrase.
"Free ram is wasted ram."
Let's see the first Saint's comment.
Oh and btw..
I'm facing the exact same problem. And I'm very pissed off with these saintly people repeating their favorite phrase. No solution found so far. Use greenify on as many apps as you can. It'll cause the problem to be a little more bearable.
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Use custom kernel.
Also lately play services started hogging ram so I disabled some of the services :
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ibsk0e1yens5suc/AACU4nhZGu0UuBcwHV1VT2pLa?dl=0
Third if you have social media apps running they are the culprit, my gfs s7e lagged with Facebook, Instagram, viber, whatsapp etc.
Greenify solved the issue.
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Some saintly person with infinite knowledge is coming here to tell you that "free ram is wasted ram".
He won't care if your phone lags, apps reload and ui is unresponsive. He'll just repeat his favorite phrase.
"Free ram is wasted ram."
Let's see the first Saint's comment.
Oh and btw..
I'm facing the exact same problem. And I'm very pissed off with these saintly people repeating their favorite phrase. No solution found so far. Use greenify on as many apps as you can. It'll cause the problem to be a little more bearable.
Sent from my Redmi Note 3 using Tapatalk
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LOL so true, I was just thinking the same ? They'll say free ram is wasted but that's not true for a multitasker, like me, because I like to use 4 apps and be able to switch amongst them without reloading(I have 2GB variant)
Anyway, checkout my screenshot, I use greenify + 512mb zram(ElementalX kernel default settings)
P.s I'm on XenonHD
Never had such issue on any nougat rom. I use Resurrection remix 5.8.2 and Agni Kernel. Use Zram in kernel Auditor to boost performance little bit. I always have 700 to 800 free ram on 2g variant.
I set my LMK to 9-32-64-100-156-214 and I swear i can switch around with browser, facebook, message and gallery without reload anything . I'm on 2gb Kenzo with franco kernel
guys, use privacy guard / appops , and disable background working of unnecessary apps like
Solution: Root; tweak
A little bit of my story: Galaxy Tab S. What laptop (tablet - in the old days, laptops were great with that much ram, weren't they?) with 3 gb ram won't let you multitask?! When it was Kitkat, it was, well, alright. I upgraded to Marshmallow, and I was not able to multitask. Marshmallow on Galaxy J5 Prime leaves 800 MB without cache and over 1.2 GB without cache, out of 3 GB. Similar with Marshmallow/Tab S (+ overheating processor!). I mean what the ****? Is that planned obsolescence?
And now I am here, typing from Tab S, with: 5 tabs open in Chrome, 2 tabs in Xodo, Settings, Play Store, ES File Explorer, Task Bar (Braden Farmer) [at the least] - having changed to Lineage OS 14.1 (no good. by default), rooted and learnt about Low Memory Killer (in Deathly Adiutor); tweaked it and I have less than 300 MB free ram with cache and less than 875 MB free without cache. Yay! (Btw, the overheating problem is solved too by underclocking - to save battery and avoid overheating!) [I have spent at least two days testing out different OS and possibility-of-root and features.] So, this paragraph is my 2 cents.
Would like to hear from you if your problem is solved.
[PS: J5 Prime is still under warranty, and is used for basic functionalities - no problem there as of yet.]
I'm currently running RR nougat with randon kernel
The ram management is great i can swith fb ,youtube, chorme, mess without loading, but in long term the phone start slow, hang and battery drop super fast ( 5H SOT)
So i have to force 3 app running background to keep battery longer and stay away from lag.
Any ideas to keep great ram and free - lag ?!?
Tks in advance
Any idea
vkass said:
Use custom kernel.
Also lately play services started hogging ram so I disabled some of the services :
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ibsk0e1yens5suc/AACU4nhZGu0UuBcwHV1VT2pLa?dl=0
Third if you have social media apps running they are the culprit, my gfs s7e lagged with Facebook, Instagram, viber, whatsapp etc.
Greenify solved the issue.
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How do you disable the services?
mehrshad.shafaghi said:
How do you disable the services?
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cn.wq.disableservice
I use the tablet mostly for playing. And I am used to move between them without issues. Unless I open a bunch of other apps or browser with multiple tabs and what not. The games remain running without issues or at least they used to. Normally I don't update anything, except for the games because they are live service and I can't play them if I don't. After learning that this update would improved multitasking I updated.
Ever since I can't keep the games open if I leave them for like 20 minutes or maybe less, haven't time it.
Using it as I did, closed them. So I decide to clear all and only play one. After a notification, went to that game for daily tap immediately went back to the prev game and it had close, which cost me a match. After finishing what I was doing on that game. I went to the settings to see if something was amiss. And all the apps I remember disabling that I couldn't uninstall like Youtube are still disabled. I don't have any social media app like FB or anything that would be constantly running. And went back to the game. Lo and behold had to restart again. I checked Dev options and Apps "Background process limit" still standard. Memory is at 4~4.5 with so much free I don't get I it's been so aggressive. Have 66 apps on "deep sleeping" have things like digital well being and other monitoring stuff also off. And the only thing I changed was enabling the "Labs" to allow Multi window for all apps. And just now, went to homescreen while I picked something from the kitchen, I know I didn't take more than 5 min because the screen didn't even timed out. And when I tap on a game, had to relaunch.
God this is ridiculously annoying. And non of the games updated since. I only updated a couple of apps from store.
And worst, I updated believing it would be better at multitasking. Like it would be smarter when using split screen, but it isn't. Maybe it does improve for Samsung apps. But I've seen nothing good from anything I use. And changes to the UI could've been implemented better. Like having dual pane only when you are holding the tablet lanscape. I remember having very old android device that had dual pane but revert to single if you hold them portrait.
I'm considering doing a full reset. But I'm hoping not too. Between the apps and games, which most are 5GB+ up to nearly 10GB it would take me a very long time to set everything again, Easily a full day for some games. (Very bad old, first gen copper line DSL)
Is anyone have any type of similar issues. Cause it would suck if I reset it and that's just how it works now. And it wants me to use the "keep open" feature. Which I don't like, I do like to use the clear all.
One of the main reason I got this particular tablet was for the multitasking. This is the first device I didn't try rooting out of the bat because of a warranty and what not and decided to give it a go as is. Now I'm not sure If I'm just spoiled by years for rooted and heavily modified devices. Or this is just a Samsung thing.
@Omizuke: Not sure if this is related to RAM management, but I'm also on September update. When I update apps via Play Store/Galaxy Store, the device will completely freeze for as long as 30 seconds. It just locks up, I can't do anything. Can't pull down the status bar, nav buttons don't work. Then suddenly it returns to normal. I get the same thing when connecting to WiFi or pairing via Bluetooth. ROM is clean flashed with Odin, i also did a factory reset.
This didn't happen at all on the July update.
I'm not seeing any issues with app killing, as you've described it. All opened apps continue running and I can return to them on demand. I play a lot of games, COD Mobile in particular, and I switch apps a lot between rounds.
I feel you on the not wanting to set up everything again. I save cached copies (APKs/obbs) of my games/apps on my SD card, so I can set everything up without Internet. Just use an app like Total Commander/X-plore to copy the apps.