M-pen compatible with M5 8.4? - Huawei MediaPad M5 Questions & Answers

Does anyone know if
Huawei is planning on selling the M-pen separately?
Also is the M-pen compatible with the M5 8.4 inch?
I had trouble finding answers to these questions on Dr. Google

In Germany it's available for ~70€
Description says it's only for M5 10 Pro?!
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B079NG7GSL/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_GuslBb3G42R3G

I just purchased the 8.4 Chinese LTE version. I'm willing to bet since the two models have the same operating system they also have the same accessory support. I can't imagine Huawei creating two separate versions of the OS to eliminate pen support.
When I receive my pen I will report.

No it's not compatible. It doesn't even work on the 10.8 non pro because they are missing the second digitizer which only the pro has.
This is one of the reasons for the pros price difference

lolmensch said:
(...)missing the second digitizer which only the pro has (...)
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Do you mean there is also a hardware difference?

YoNevelt said:
Do you mean there is also a hardware difference?
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yes, different screen technology even though the touch (!) screen is the same

I also looking the same and I found this articles that may useful here..
https://consumer.huawei.com/en/support/content/en-us00421640/

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Planing to buy Mate 10 64gb, few questions before I do it

Hello Guys,
I’m considering buying Huawei 10 (NOT Pro), but since it’s not officially available in the countries I spend most my time in (Poland and UK), I’ll have to get it from Chinese shop. Having said that, I have my concerns and I’d be glad if you could walk me through them. My apologies if some on those questions were already answered, but some of the feedback I’ve gather from this forum come from the “early days” of this phone and I don’t know if they are still valid. Let’s get to it:
1) Is the system in Polish language? It might be under “(…) and many more languages” but I’d like to know
2) I should be looking for version L29, correct? Are those “international” versions on sites like https://www.giztop.com/huawei-mate-10.html really international, or just Chinese ones with switched software?
3) My current phone is Oneplus 3 – and I admire the simplicity of almost-stock Android. How much off a detour is MIUI in comparison? Will I have to deal with a lot of bloating in the system?
4) Since there won’t be a version for “big” markets like US and UK – could there be any issues with updates? Will Huawei abandon the support for international version anytime soon – speculatively speaking? Or is it possible for them to introduce this phone to US/UK/PL, but later?
5) I’d be taking 4gb 64gb version, but I’ve been using 6gb phone for a while now – will this “downgrade” be visible in daily use?
6) I’ve seen some complaints about the camera. I understand it’s not “perfect”, but right now I’m using oneplus3+g.cam port from Pixel 2 – so I should still experience a bump in quality, right?
7) I want to buy it from this site https://www.giztop.com/huawei-mate-10.html. Is there any reason I should pick a different one/wait?
Thank you for all your future answers, and apologies for a longer post.
Cheers!
I'm in a similar situation. I'm planning to buy from eBay the international version. The sellers there are based in either France or Ireland, they say they give you a year warranty but crucially you have PayPal protection.
I've seen other sites where a minority of phones never turn up or are broken and it's incredibly hard to get the money back.
DeadOne said:
Hello Guys,
I’m considering buying Huawei 10 (NOT Pro), but since it’s not officially available in the countries I spend most my time in (Poland and UK), I’ll have to get it from Chinese shop. Having said that, I have my concerns and I’d be glad if you could walk me through them. My apologies if some on those questions were already answered, but some of the feedback I’ve gather from this forum come from the “early days” of this phone and I don’t know if they are still valid. Let’s get to it:
1) Is the system in Polish language? It might be under “(…) and many more languages” but I’d like to know
2) I should be looking for version L29, correct? Are those “international” versions on sites like https://www.giztop.com/huawei-mate-10.html really international, or just Chinese ones with switched software?
3) My current phone is Oneplus 3 – and I admire the simplicity of almost-stock Android. How much off a detour is MIUI in comparison? Will I have to deal with a lot of bloating in the system?
4) Since there won’t be a version for “big” markets like US and UK – could there be any issues with updates? Will Huawei abandon the support for international version anytime soon – speculatively speaking? Or is it possible for them to introduce this phone to US/UK/PL, but later?
5) I’d be taking 4gb 64gb version, but I’ve been using 6gb phone for a while now – will this “downgrade” be visible in daily use?
6) I’ve seen some complaints about the camera. I understand it’s not “perfect”, but right now I’m using oneplus3+g.cam port from Pixel 2 – so I should still experience a bump in quality, right?
7) I want to buy it from this site https://www.giztop.com/huawei-mate-10.html. Is there any reason I should pick a different one/wait?
Thank you for all your future answers, and apologies for a longer post.
Cheers!
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1 - I don't know for sure but it should be there !
2 - Yes L29 is the version you should look for ! You can get one from here https://www.ebay.fr/itm/NEUF-HUAWEI...234857?hash=item4b2e0e4729:g:41oAAOSwytJaE9rW that's where I got one for my uncle
3 - EMUI is very customised version of Android but with big possibilities for themes so you should be able to make it look as you want
4 - We can't be sure of anything in that domain ^^ I just left Samsung because of giving update slowly... But for sure as the flagship of the brand it should get update faster than others
5 - It'll not. Some may not agree with me but 4gb of Ram is largely enough today !
6 - As I'm not a professionnal I could not tell ^^ but for sure Mate 10 camera is amazing and will only improve with software update improving AI
7 - As I answered on 2, you can get it from dwi on ebay, I've took 2 phones from them (S7 dual sim and Huawei Mate 10)
I live in the UK and I bought the L29 version, it works fine and you can select the system language when you setup the phone. The only issue I found is HiCloud wouldn't work but I rebranded to the L09 version and everything works
To answer your point 6
I'm also using a ported version of the camera app on my previous phone which is a Xiaomi Mix and the phone is notorious for its very poor camera lens.
It surprises me totally what software can achieve where the hardware fails at.
Even on the ****ty camera, the software managed to capture IMO equal or more details as compared to M10 on the pro mode.
So at the end of the day. Your OP3 having a better lens than the Xiaomi Mix should experience probably equal or maybe seeing a 5 to 10% bump in details.
If there's ever a chance that M10 could have the ported camera from Pixel on our phone I'll definitely be a very happy man.
Hi jay. I too live in the UK and planning the buy the L29. Was the re branding just to get the hicloud? Or were there other features?
Thanks
AndroidUK2016 said:
Hi jay. I too live in the UK and planning the buy the L29. Was the re branding just to get the hicloud? Or were there other features?
Thanks
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Yeah it was just so I could use HiCloud, didn't feel like a fully functional phone without it
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Yeah it was just so I could use HiCloud, didn't feel like a fully functional phone without it
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What for this hicloud?
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GunnyHighway82 said:
What for this hicloud?
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It's backup software
Leechoonhwee said:
To answer your point 6
I'm also using a ported version of the camera app on my previous phone which is a Xiaomi Mix and the phone is notorious for its very poor camera lens.
It surprises me totally what software can achieve where the hardware fails at.
Even on the ****ty camera, the software managed to capture IMO equal or more details as compared to M10 on the pro mode.
So at the end of the day. Your OP3 having a better lens than the Xiaomi Mix should experience probably equal or maybe seeing a 5 to 10% bump in details.
If there's ever a chance that M10 could have the ported camera from Pixel on our phone I'll definitely be a very happy man.
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Here you go my friend : https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/googl...amera-5-1-016-174405463-android-apk-download/
It's working on my Mate 10 Pro, imo it gives a little bit less blurriness and the photo is clearer in overall, sadly it lacks some features for our phone
Give us some results about photo quality please
Regards,
Safe
Safe0716 said:
Here you go my friend : https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/googl...amera-5-1-016-174405463-android-apk-download/
It's working on my Mate 10 Pro, imo it gives a little bit less blurriness and the photo is clearer in overall, sadly it lacks some features for our phone
Give us some results about photo quality please
Regards,
Safe
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Thanks for the link. I'm not referring to the stock Google camera but the exact one on the pixel phone.
https://www.google.com.sg/amp/s/www...gle-camera-hdr-customization-raw-support/amp/
It is the HDR+ that makes all the difference but sadly Google only enables it for the Pixel phone.
Hey sorry to jack this thread but whats the drawbacks of the Chinese version, bloat ware?? And wouldn't it get updates faster?
Also, wouldn't it be a better idea to buy the AL00.. 128 GB, 6 GB RAM Chinese Mate 10 version if you wanted to keep that 6GB of ram?
I just killed my HTC 10 with water so I'm thinking upgrading to the 6GB ram version would be a better move coming from 4GB. I just wish it wasn't so expensive lol 4GB international version is about $800 CND on ebay..
SkyboneNoya said:
Hey sorry to jack this thread but whats the drawbacks of the Chinese version, bloat ware?? And wouldn't it get updates faster?
Also, wouldn't it be a better idea to buy the AL00.. 128 GB, 6 GB RAM Chinese Mate 10 version if you wanted to keep that 6GB of ram?
I just killed my HTC 10 with water so I'm thinking upgrading to the 6GB ram version would be a better move coming from 4GB. I just wish it wasn't so expensive lol 4GB international version is about $800 CND on ebay..
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id like to know this too, also:
so which Huawei Mate 10 Pro 128gb version are you supposed to buy? there's L29 on ebay, L09 on clove uk website. handtec uk HM10P128TG, what's the difference between all of these? dual sim on amazon uk 128gb. L29 on wondamobile international version.
eglobal uk CN version. eglobal prices vary for 128gb version, why is that?
sorry so many questions!
essentially i'd want to root and custom rom, is there really dev support for this, I'm coming from samsung and devs have been a lot etc. im over samsung note series lol...
thx
Does anybody knows any store in USA that have Mate 10? My friend is traveling, at Orlando right now and he will bring to me. I don't know how customs works at USA so I think it's not a good idea to buy at Chinese sites
Cotinho said:
Does anybody knows any store in USA that have Mate 10? My friend is traveling, at Orlando right now and he will bring to me. I don't know how customs works at USA so I think it's not a good idea to buy at Chinese sites
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take it outta the box for customs, this way it looks like it's used. throw the box away
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Jay794 said:
I live in the UK and I bought the L29 version, it works fine and you can select the system language when you setup the phone. The only issue I found is HiCloud wouldn't work but I rebranded to the L09 version and everything works
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i live in the uk, where did you buy yours and how much? thanks
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take it outta the box for customs, this way it looks like it's used. throw the box away
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i live in the uk, where did you buy yours and how much? thanks
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I got mine from eGlobal, its was around £400 IIRC
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I got mine from eGlobal, its was around £400 IIRC
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what the difference between this and the CN? also is this the L29?
https://www.eglobalcentral.co.uk/huawei-mate-10-pro-6gb-128gb-dual-sim-mocha-gold.html
it doesn't have a version on it?
entwicklun said:
what the difference between this and the CN? also is this the L29?
https://www.eglobalcentral.co.uk/huawei-mate-10-pro-6gb-128gb-dual-sim-mocha-gold.html
it doesn't have a version on it?
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Well that's the Mate 10 Pro, not the Mate 10, the Pro does not have an SD card slot. I don't know what the CN is but the L29 I had was for the Singapore market, so Huawei Cloud didn't work until I flashed the L09 Firmware
Jay794 said:
Well that's the Mate 10 Pro, not the Mate 10, the Pro does not have an SD card slot. I don't know what the CN is but the L29 I had was for the Singapore market, so Huawei Cloud didn't work until I flashed the L09 Firmware
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yeah I noticed it's the pro, tbh I wanted the finger scanner on the back. I'm going from a lifetime of sd card to no sd card. feel like I'd need a tutorial on how to go about that and backing up consistently lol....
think I can get away with no SD card
so how come they list an item with no model number?
also can you change the soft key buttons placements? move them into opposite spots etc lol?
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yeah I noticed it's the pro, tbh I wanted the finger scanner on the back. I'm going from a lifetime of sd card to no sd card. feel like I'd need a tutorial on how to go about that and backing up consistently lol....
think I can get away with no SD card
so how come they list an item with no model number?
also can you change the soft key buttons placements? move them into opposite spots etc lol?
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Regarding the model number, no idea maybe use the live chat and ask them lol.
Yes you can change the positions of the on screen buttons

Bluetooth Audio Cutting In & Out

Good day everybody! My Mate 10's bluetooth when connected to my car's audio has been cutting in and out consistently without fail. there isn't one song that could play smoothly, this doesn't happen with my S8. any thoughts? Thanks!
easy, get the s8.
I recently bought Huawei Mate 10 from official Huawei store on AliExpress. It does not show Dual VoLTE option. Man - I am doomed only dual 4g.
Huawei - Why???? The seller really duped me as I asked this question before buying phone. The answer was diplomatic - "yes, it will support 4g in India"
Raman_Singh said:
I recently bought Huawei Mate 10 from official Huawei store on AliExpress. It does not show Dual VoLTE option. Man - I am doomed only dual 4g.
Huawei - Why???? The seller really duped me as I asked this question before buying phone. The answer was diplomatic - "yes, it will support 4g in India"
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Do you have a link to the official store for the mate 10 non pro? Thanks.
20degrees said:
Do you have a link to the official store for the mate 10 non pro? Thanks.
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Eventually it seems VoLTE and VoWiFi should come in 131 update for c636.
XDA did not allow me to post the link as I joined recently. Simply open AliExpress app and search for "Huawei Online Store"
(from AliExpress Android)
Just waiting for VoLTE update. Then this will the perfect phone!!
same bluetooth issues with my car also... i am very pissed.
avatar_ro said:
same bluetooth issues with my car also... i am very pissed.
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My z2 force sounds really nice and clear through Bluetooth. The V30+ sounds horrible.
bad optimisations i/m sure... I have also an s7 edge and it works fine....
avatar_ro said:
bad optimisations i/m sure... I have also an s7 edge and it works fine....
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Agreed. Also, my s7 and s8+ works great.
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Agreed. Also, my s7 and s8+ works great.
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thank you for confirming.
it's sad though because the hardware is really nice.
Bluetooth audio is really ****ty as of right now.
There is a topic over it but the situation is the following:
SBC codec causes distortion
AAC codec is 100% broken
Aptx and Ldac I haven't tested yet.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mate-10/help/mate-10-bluetooth-audio-unbearable-t3751932/page2
Raman_Singh said:
I recently bought Huawei Mate 10 from official Huawei store on AliExpress. It does not show Dual VoLTE option. Man - I am doomed only dual 4g.
Huawei - Why???? The seller really duped me as I asked this question before buying phone. The answer was diplomatic - "yes, it will support 4g in India"
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Sad story, but this topic seems to be over malfunctioning BT audio. ?
With my wife's P20 Pro there are no issues.
But now with the lastest firmware is even worse, it's chopping every few seconds.
shame on you Huawei.
BLA-L29 8.0.0.142(C432)
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Looking to replace Mipad with either Mipad 4/Mediapad M5/Ipad 2018

I've been using my Mipad for years and it did serves me pretty good even in 2018.
But i have S7 edge, MI Max and Mipad with me most of the time which is not convenient.
Im looking to replace my MI Max and MIpad with a tablet that able to perform as below.
Phone call function (really hope mipad have this,it would be perfect!)
Good gaming like PUBG and etc
Nice sound quality for media consumption
Good battery life
My thought on each device:
MIpad 4, quite ok for my need but without phone call function. Gaming function is ok i guess.
Mediapad M5, almost beat Mipad 4 in every aspect except for development. Price is like 30% higher than MIpad 4. Its a phone too.
Ipad 2018, optimised device. But no phone calling function. Stuck at 32GB. Price 55% higher then MIpad 4 for LTE version.
Please do share your thoughts, appreciates your opinion.
Actually, there's an LTE version of the Mi Pad 4 - https://www.kimovil.com/en/where-to-buy-xiaomi-mi-pad-4-lte
According to the XDA article these are the bands supported:
LTE version:
FDD-LTE: Bands 1/3/5/7/8
TDD-LTE: Bands 34/38/39/40/41
(source: https://www.xda-developers.com/xiaomi-mi-pad-4-official-specifications-features/)
Xiaomi did mentioned its not able to use for calling function behind the box.
The Lte more like data connection only, just like an ipad.
And I can't find any info regarding of the device with 2G/3G connectivity capability.
ronald_loulan said:
Xiaomi did mentioned its not able to use for calling function behind the box.
The Lte more like data connection only, just like an ipad.
And I can't find any info regarding of the device with 2G/3G connectivity capability.
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Might want to consider the Chuwi Hi9 Air (10.1 inch) then or go for the soon-to-be-released Chuwi Hi9 Pro (8.4 inch). If you have any questions regarding the Hi9 Air, this would be the place to ask: https://forum.xda-developers.com/ge...wi-hi9-air-64gb-mt6797-x20-deca-core-t3775682
Another alternative is the soon-to-be-released Alldocube X, however, WiFi-only AFAIK.
Palm Trees said:
Might want to consider the Chuwi Hi9 Air (10.1 inch) then or go for the soon-to-be-released Chuwi Hi9 Pro (8.4 inch). If you have any questions regarding the Hi9 Air, this would be the place to ask: https://forum.xda-developers.com/ge...wi-hi9-air-64gb-mt6797-x20-deca-core-t3775682
Another alternative is the soon-to-be-released Alldocube X, however, WiFi-only AFAIK.
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Yea, was looking Hi9 Air today. Meets my requirements too. Just that 10.1 abit big for daily use. Hi9 pro not released yet?
Just checked Hi9 pro, 3g/32gb 5000 mah and 8mp/5mp looks like not worth to me.
Rather take the hi9 air...

Buying Oneplus 7T Pro in 2020

Hello All,
I am planning to buy oneplus 7t pro in upcoming sale. Is it worth going for? How is the custom from development support for this device ?
I know its already a year old device but if development support is good then I can expect at least till Android 13 for this device.
How is the device itself first ?
HatRiGt said:
Hello All,
I am planning to buy oneplus 7t pro in upcoming sale. Is it worth going for? How is the custom from development support for this device ?
I know its already a year old device but if development support is good then I can expect at least till Android 13 for this device.
How is the device itself first ?
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Custom rom support are not that great for 7tp.....but you will get android 13 for sure.. great phone ..better than op 8... only problem is less better camera than 8 series...and custom rom support is dying day by day... it's very unfortunate that Google is trying to take control over android security.. that's why 7t and 7t pro has no twrp with the ability to decrypt data in twrp recovery.so now it's you who has to take decision...
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I bought the same model just a week ago because it was a great value today UNDER 600 dollars and it ticked all the boxes for what I basically wanted. I have a P30 Pro as well, and while I'd say it gets better battery life overall and that the camera can take better shots in SOME conditions, the gap isn't really that great. Most of the shots I've A/B with random people have chosen the OP7T Pro shots over the P30 Pro. It does get better brightness at night, but the details are lacking and seem over-processed. The P30 Pro definitely has a faster shutter.
After much deliberation I just received mines yesterday. I had a Mi 9 SE which was ghost touching on me so I had to change over asap. Figured I'd give OnePlus another go, I'd owned the one, the two, and now the 7t pro.
Really happy with the decision so far, just need to get used the massive size. Runs kinda hot tho, but that just maybe because I've been using it quite intensely for the last day or 2.
I'm happy with the decision.
I am also thinking of buying the 7T PRO or the Redmi K300 Pro ZOOM edition.
I am currently using a S8 PLUS and I would like a better camera.
I was supposed to get the S20 FE 5G but in my country Samsung only released the Exynos variant.
khestoi said:
I am also thinking of buying the 7T PRO or the Redmi K300 Pro ZOOM edition.
I am currently using a S8 PLUS and I would like a better camera.
I was supposed to get the S20 FE 5G but in my country Samsung only released the Exynos variant.
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You'll probably get more software updates with the OnePlus. That's what tipped it for me.
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You'll probably get more software updates with the OnePlus. That's what tipped it for me.
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A better camera is more important to me than future software updates.
Would you still recommend the 7T Pro over the K30 PRO zoom edition?
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A better camera is more important to me than future software updates.
Would you still recommend the 7T Pro over the K30 PRO zoom edition?
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Haven't seen that model or used it, so I couldn't comment, but I can compare it to the P30 Pro I own. I'd say that the P30 camera is better in 70 percent of photo scenarios, but it does lack detail often. The P30 tends to over-sharpen images and smooth faces too much, even without portrait features on, whereas the OP7TPro does tend to have more noise in low-light, but produces a more accurate rendering of color and better fine detail, ironically.
samrattt said:
Custom rom support are not that great for 7tp.....but you will get android 13 for sure.. great phone ..better than op 8... only problem is less better camera than 8 series...and custom rom support is dying day by day... it's very unfortunate that Google is trying to take control over android security.. that's why 7t and 7t pro has no twrp with the ability to decrypt data in twrp recovery.so now it's you who has to take decision...
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Which device would you consider to have the best custom development/ROM support?
Thanks
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Which device would you consider to have the best custom development/ROM support?
Thanks
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Oneplus One! ?
I moved back to 7T Pro from OP8. It was a great decision in my opinion. I hated the punch hole. the 7T Pro checks all the boxes for me.
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Which device would you consider to have the best custom development/ROM support?
Thanks
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HTC HD2 had em all lol
I'm also looking to buy a 7T Pro but I would like McLaren international edition for use in the US. Any one have any suggestion on where to get one in the US? If I was to buy a CN edition off Alibaba could I easily flash it to the international rom?
Planning to buy it also because it has nice hardware (no hole on the screen), and supports LineageOS.
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Which device would you consider to have the best custom development/ROM support?
Thanks
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If you want a device just like the 7T pro but with far more rom support as well as extended custom development, then Id go for the 7 Pro. Both are pretty much the same device, except youd be more satisifed with 7 Pro as it has a much larger community surrounding it and there's alot of things you can mod on the device without having to deal with the new android 10 dynamic partitioning that made TWRP not fully functional on the 7T pro
Wifi + bluetooth unstable connection
I bought the phone too.
So far everything is fine - except wifi stability issues (seems to be affected by bluetooth being on).
I don't understand how this still can be a thing. I read posts about this model having this problem a year ago.
How is this possible?
I did update the phone to the 10.0.12.HD01BA and tried all the suggested solutions (reseting network settings, switching airplane mode on and off.... one thing I haven't tried is factory reset) yet the problem still persist, it's occassional, but.... I'm still kind of disappointed.
For my part I had the 7pro and now I have the 7T pro and the 2 are very good ... I must say that I still have some frustration from the 7t pro, less good battery and twrp which is not 100% functional which gave me some headaches for the rest it is like the 7pro the best device i have had, for those who wonder why i got the 7 pro and the 7t pro? Between the 2 I decided to try the samsung note 10 plus ... but what a bad choice lolll and I had already sold my 7 pro so I wanted to try the 7T pro.
I have just bought OP7TPro today. It runs like a champ. Only not so good thing is camera. But GCam blew me way. Definitely a great buy if the price is right.

Probably a dumb question....

Recently got a 7T pro.
There seems to be more roms available for 7 pro (non T).
looking at the hardware specs there seems to be virtually no difference, bar the bigger battery in the 7t pro.
are guacamole roms compatible with Hotdog (7t pro) or are the minor differences enough to break functionality?
Thanks!
They are not compatible
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They are not compatible
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Cheers bud, that's unfortunate

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