Is it normal that poco f1 has still no custom rom development?
I had lenovo z2 plus. I guess kind of similar case like poco, 800 series soc in 20000 inr but it has ton of development and still holds till date.
Is it me? Or no dev has much interest in f1?
No offense to Devs....
rob!n said:
Is it normal that poco f1 has still no custom rom development?
I had lenovo z2 plus. I guess kind of similar case like poco, 800 series soc in 20000 inr but it has ton of development and still holds till date.
Is it me? Or no dev has much interest in f1?
No offense to Devs....
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Hi, I come from the same phone! I think we were very lucky with our phone's community. So far indeed there's no much development but having TWRP and magisk is really a big step forward.
We just have to be patient. Or you can try to learn yourself and help the community
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Hi, I come from the same phone! I think we were very lucky with our phone's community. So far indeed there's no much development but having TWRP and magisk is really a big step forward.
We just have to be patient. Or you can try to learn yourself and help the community
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Good advice. I appreciate your reply. Yea i guess patience it is then.
That's why I'm holding up on buying this phone and either wait for OnePlus 6T, get the OnePlus 6 or wait until a custom ROMs start rolling for the Poco.
No custom ROMs = dead phone imho
... be patience
im a bit worried too to be honest
you can try gsi roms
engr.chachi said:
you can try gsi roms
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too buggy
engr.chachi said:
you can try gsi roms
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Volte and no audio stops me every time from flash a gsi.
I think because of the rumors about xiaomi. No devs will develop this poco f1 but Project Treble is available.
madsponge26 said:
I think because of the rumors about xiaomi. No devs will develop this poco f1 but Project Treble is available.
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what rumors dude.
Be patient. They're coming
madsponge26 said:
I think because of the rumors about xiaomi. No devs will develop this poco f1 but Project Treble is available.
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What rumors??
madsponge26 said:
I think because of the rumors about xiaomi. No devs will develop this poco f1 but Project Treble is available.
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i dont think so , im just waiting for my unit replacement and ill start developing some custom roms for poco
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I think because of the rumors about xiaomi. No devs will develop this poco f1 but Project Treble is available.
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Don't spread rumors.
The kernel source is incomplete, Wifi and Sound needs to be fixed. It will take time, and people are working on it. I already fixed wifi on my kernel fork but fixing sound is a whole other problem.
CosmicDan said:
Don't spread rumors.
The kernel source is incomplete, Wifi and Sound needs to be fixed. It will take time, and people are working on it. I already fixed wifi on my kernel fork but fixing sound is a whole other problem.
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That's great. Thank you. But why did poco bragg about releasing sources.. whats the point of releasing them incomplete. So much for supporting custom community.
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That's great. Thank you. But why did poco bragged about releasing sources.. whats the point of releasing them incomplete. So much for supporting custom community.
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Just wait for some months & the custom rom development will be great. I mean it will be similar to zenfone max pro m1, note 5 pro etc. Bcz of the popularity of the device. The more people will buy the phone, the more developers want to make official custom roms for the device.
Xiaomi, Oneplus & premium phones of different companies get custom roms bcz of their popularity. So poco f1 will have a big custom rom development community with almost every official custom rom. Peace.
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That's great. Thank you. But why did poco bragged about releasing sources.. whats the point of releasing them incomplete. So much for supporting custom community.
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It's basically how it has always been for custom kernels from everyone. Linux kernel itself is free and open, yes, but the DRIVERS for the Wifi and DAC/DSP stuff may not be.
I'd sooner blame Qualcomm than Xiaomi tbh, sure they make good hardware but Qcom are notoriously shady with business practices.
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That's great. Thank you. But why did poco bragg about releasing sources.. whats the point of releasing them incomplete. So much for supporting custom community.
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Because those drivers are proprietary codes, most companies don't want their sources to be released/leaked in public, so you need to fix it by your own. Torvalds had even shown Nvidia a middle finger for that in public but they are not alone. The bigger a company, more they are away from FSF (except few).
Xiaomi released what it could and they always release half codes, sometimes they gobble up camera, sometimes wifi or whatever they feel like. Most of the Xiaomi phones will not have the same camera output as it were in MIUI because of this.
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Because those drivers are proprietary codes, most companies don't want their sources to be released/leaked in public, so you need to fix it by your own. Torvalds had even shown Nvidia a middle finger for that in public but they are not alone. The bigger a company, more they are away from FSF (except few).
Xiaomi released what it could and they always release half codes, sometimes they gobble up camera, sometimes wifi or whatever they feel like. Most of the Xiaomi phones will not have the same camera output as it were in MIUI because of this.
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Oh. So behind every custom rom for any device, dev has to work a lot to make it stable or even to get the rom into existence.
Respect...
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Oneplus x is a really nice phone , i especially like its form factor which is why i brought one just today , but i read a thread where oneplus did not release MM kernel sources and this phone's production stopped. Now i am thinking about giving it back as it would be nearly impossible for future development.
What would anyone who is a present owner suggest in such a situation ? I am only getting this phone because of its 5 inch form factor and good development team.
P.s i know onyx got some top class dev's and Nougat is already on its way, i do not doubt their potential but just this phones future development progress.
Thank you.
We don't need OnePlus for further development. We are perfectly capable of keeping it up to spec. You'll be fine. Enjoy your new toy
It's a phone. You aren't buying it for its future development, you buying it for its features and the fact that they satisfy you. Don't fall in such buyer loop.
Sent from my ONE E1001
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It's a phone. You aren't buying it for its future development, you buying it for its features and the fact that they satisfy you. Don't fall in such buyer loop.
Sent from my ONE E1001
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I am a person who is easily bored out using the same rom , i like aosp but i tend to move between different roms (once a week) just because of that . The fact that this phone has CM13 , MIUI (WIP) , SAILFISH OS excited me the most. This is the only reason i look for a phone with good dev community in it which partially require OEM & Chipset supplier support to release drivers.
Of course the phone excites me but I've looped through so many phones that the phone hardware alone does not excite me anymore.
Thank you for the advise tho.
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We don't need OnePlus for further development. We are perfectly capable of keeping it up to spec. You'll be fine. Enjoy your new toy
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thank you for the reply , but might i ask why . I always thought OEM's have to release the kernel sources or the phone will have less chance to be supported by next android version because dev's have to depend on hacks to get things working which is never ideal.
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thank you for the reply , but might i ask why . I always thought OEM's have to release the kernel sources or the phone will have less chance to be supported by next android version because dev's have to depend on hacks to get things working which is never ideal.
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No. Theoretically the only thing we need kernel wise is the DTS and a few drivers. We can pull the source for the 801 from Qualcomm themselves. We don't need an OEM outside of that
I'm really interested in getting this phone, I have skipped the Note 8 until I see what this phone brings, and from what I saw at the presentation I looks like an AWESOME phone, but when I look at past Huawei flagships (mate 9, P9, etc) almost non-existing major updates, custom roms support and mods I start thinking if paying a premium price for a phone like this its really worth for a person like me who likes to play around with rooting, modding and installing custom roms in my devices or should I play safe and get a Samsung or Pixel device.
No. Do not buy Huawei if modding is important.
Non existent with previous mate 9 and barely with mate 8.
Across the board, it's not getting easier
intruda119 said:
No. Do not buy Huawei if modding is important.
Non existent with previous mate 9 and barely with mate 8.
Across the board, it's not getting easier
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I appreciate your answer, there are great devices but not for us.
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I'm really interested in getting this phone, I have skipped the Note 8 until I see what this phone brings, and from what I saw at the presentation I looks like an AWESOME phone, but when I look at past Huawei flagships (mate 9, P9, etc) almost non-existing major updates, custom roms support and mods I start thinking if paying a premium price for a phone like this its really worth for a person like me who likes to play around with rooting, modding and installing custom roms in my devices or should I play safe and get a Samsung or Pixel device.
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To be honest you are better off not getting any flagship if you like modding. The pixel is a pain to dev for to the point that many devs are not getting the new pixel or even supporting it. Samsung well we all know that dev support for that is a joke.
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To be honest you are better off not getting any flagship if you like modding. The pixel is a pain to dev for to the point that many devs are not getting the new pixel or even supporting it. Samsung well we all know that dev support for that is a joke.
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Thanks for your answer, so that being the case, which phone(s) would you recommend me?
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Thanks for your answer, so that being the case, which phone(s) would you recommend me?
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If modding is your thing then I would look at something like one plus. Things to avoid are devices with dual partition setup. The pixel showed how much devs dont want to deal with that.
Things to look out for are things like kernel source being up to date which I hate to say knocks 90% of the China based OEM out of it. Maybe the Euro version of samsung devices might be OK but even they get little to no real devs support. I would look around the site. See what devices have real support. No I am not talking about tons of los based roms. That is not development. I mean real development with system mods and hardware tweaks.
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If modding is your thing then I would look at something like one plus.
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Unfortunately OnePlus sucks at many things that are important for many of us so I guess we don't have a choice.
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Unfortunately OnePlus sucks at many things that are important for many of us so I guess we don't have a choice.
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Things like what? The one bonus is that with one plus it can be fixed for the most part as to where even the kernel code on huawei devices is useless.
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Things like what? The one bonus is that with one plus it can be fixed for the most part as to where even the kernel code on huawei devices is useless.
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Can we start with the MicroSD ?
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Can we start with the MicroSD ?
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This I agree with but many of the OEM are opting out of sdcards ever since google removed all the code fore native sdcard support from android years ago. But to be hones 64gb is more then enough for a mobile device. Mix that with some common sense (backing up stuff. No I dont mean cloud backup lol)
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Unfortunately OnePlus sucks at many things that are important for many of us so I guess we don't have a choice.
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I think the one plus is a good device with great specs, but I don't like it's design... May be due it's Iphoneish look lol
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To be honest you are better off not getting any flagship if you like modding. The pixel is a pain to dev for to the point that many devs are not getting the new pixel or even supporting it. Samsung well we all know that dev support for that is a joke.
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Why not? You can get systemless root (Exynos) or TWRP installed classic root (Snapdragon) for Note8.
Sure Knox and/or SafetyNet gets tripped, but that's the price to pay for rooting.
But you can root current flagship phones and there's plenty of modding community for Note8.
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Why not? You can get systemless root (Exynos) or TWRP installed classic root (Snapdragon) for Note8.
Sure Knox and/or SafetyNet gets tripped, but that's the price to pay for rooting.
But you can root current flagship phones and there's plenty of modding community for Note8.
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Samsung based roms are not development. Samsung devices have sucked for development for years. This is why main stream developers don't get that device.
Ok, thanks for the info. I haven't followed the scene. Just installed a good LO fork on my Note3 and it is working wonders (sans NFC and GPS/camera performance is generic).
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To be honest you are better off not getting any flagship if you like modding. The pixel is a pain to dev for to the point that many devs are not getting the new pixel or even supporting it. Samsung well we all know that dev support for that is a joke.
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That being said , what are 3 phones that you can say "this is a good phone, and I can do all lot of things with it("? is the nexus 6p one of them? thanks for your help.
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That being said , what are 3 phones that you can say "this is a good phone, and I can do all lot of things with it("? is the nexus 6p one of them? thanks for your help.
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Yes. The 6p (minus the battery issues) is good for rom development. It will get support from 3rd parties for at least another 2 years.
I would say the one plus 3 or 3t
The nexus 6p
Any one of the Sony devices as they have a good development setup.
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I'm really interested in getting this phone, I have skipped the Note 8 until I see what this phone brings, and from what I saw at the presentation I looks like an AWESOME phone, but when I look at past Huawei flagships (mate 9, P9, etc) almost non-existing major updates, custom roms support and mods I start thinking if paying a premium price for a phone like this its really worth for a person like me who likes to play around with rooting, modding and installing custom roms in my devices or should I play safe and get a Samsung or Pixel device.
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@auras76 (confirmed via private message that he will be supporting Mate 10 and continue his awesome rom that he has for Mate 9 ->[ROM] RomAur-v2.2-[16/10]-[UB][7.0_Fw.b197]-FAST-STABLE :good:
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I think the one plus is a good device with great specs, but I don't like it's design... May be due it's Iphoneish look lol
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Problem with OP (I switched from OP5 to IP7+ just recently because I kept hearing rumors that OP5T/OP6 might come out and I was afraid the value might drop to a point where re-sale value is no longer profitable..IP7+ is awesome in many ways, but my initial goal was getting LG V30 but now it seems Mate 10 is much wiser choice because of its awesome screen to body ratio + 16:9 aspect ratio which currently IMO is way better than 18:9/18:9.5 considering full app support, including youtube and so on) is that it does not have its own identity - its basically an iphone clone design wise and with it you look like a wannabe iphone user . Its awesome in performance but that identity thing sucks + they recent actions where they discontinue a model even before 6 month span is just plain ridiculous (OP3 to OP3T and then OP3T to OP5 all done within 1 year)..
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Yes. The 6p (minus the battery issues) is good for rom development. It will get support from 3rd parties for at least another 2 years.
I would say the one plus 3 or 3t
The nexus 6p
Any one of the Sony devices as they have a good development setup.
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Sony is bad in development because their stupid DRM system.
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Sony is bad in development because their stupid DRM system.
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Tell that to the fact that they offer how to build aosp for their devices, have worked with developers on it as well as pretty much made the theme engine that susbstratum works off of.
Will there be loses. Sure but that is the difference between aosp and using code made for the device. You don't always get all the features of the device with aosp. But that is not the point of using aosp. It's to learn.
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Tell that to the fact that they offer how to build aosp for their devices, have worked with developers on it as well as pretty much made the theme engine that susbstratum works off of.
Will there be loses. Sure but that is the difference between aosp and using code made for the device. You don't always get all the features of the device with aosp. But that is not the point of using aosp. It's to learn.
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Yes, but with sony aosp you get 13% quality of camera comparing it to stock, so they are stupid.
So, according to these:
https://www.xda-developers.com/project-treble-android-o-exist-flagship/
https://www.xda-developers.com/stock-android-oreo-huawei-mate-9-project-treble/
any existing device can get project Treble support.
It doesn't have to ship with Oreo.
(although all devices that do ship with it will have to support Treble as a requirement)
Google's own Pixel and Pixel XL, as well as Huawei's Mate 9 were definitely not shipped with Oreo on board, but were made Treble compatible, which is great news.
Could we show ZTE this somehow and hopefully get them to add project Treble support?
This can help all of us tremendously (the devs mainly and us as users) and offload ZTE a lot of time with updates because they can be way faster with Treble, hopefully on any new Axon they release, not just on the Axon 7.
What are your thougts on this?
it would be a good thing, as it would extend the phone's life, but im not too positive that zte is going to implement it, sadly. but there still is a chance for that. as we know, axon M uses basically the same hardware, and if axon m is going to support the feature maybe the axon 7 will have it too. you never know with zte, as they do some things surprisingly well, while they do other things lame. time will tell.
hope it too that ZTE will join Treble soon
gogo ZTE!
regards ice
I believe there's someone from ZTE on XDA, maybe he would ask?
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I believe there's someone from ZTE on XDA, maybe he would ask?
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Good Idea, gonna try to find him and tag him.
Hey @Sunn76 you may be interested in this mate!
hope it helps!
The good news is that Google got Qualcom to support Treble on their Snapdraggon 821 so they could update their Pixel. That takes care of the largest stumbling block. The bad news is that ZTE will likely need support from some other their other part suppliers and unlike Google, ZTE doesn't have the muscle to strong-arm them
Bump. Let's make this happen ZTE!
Doubt it will happen. Be lucky to get a stable O ROM at all IMO. The next Axon is where ZTE will put development effort.
I'd certainly be happy if they did do an O ROM supporting it though......
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Hey @Sunn76 you may be interested in this mate!
hope it helps!
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Still reading in the background[emoji5]
And yes I will pass it on
Gesendet von meinem ZTE A2017U mit Tapatalk
@Sunn76 thanks! We really appreciate you passing on the message that the community would like support for project treble (and API2 ).
Thanks.
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Still reading in the background[emoji5]
And yes I will pass it on
Gesendet von meinem ZTE A2017U mit Tapatalk
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Great, thanks man
Api2 for camera is important as well, If I'm not mistaken there is a thread for that already posted!
I want this phone to support everything too. It's a great phone. Camera 2 api and treble would bring ZTE to legendary status in my eyes.
However I am a realist too and I understand where money is to made and I can tell you now there's nothing at all in it for ZTE to give us anything extraordinary at all.
At the end of the day I paid half the money for a phone that I believe to be in some ways better than flagship models costing twice the amount and I realise that so my feet are firmly on the ground.
Be realistic with your expectations and don't be disappointed. There aren't any other phones as good as this when it comes to pure bang for buck and things like treble and camera 2 api also aren't enabled on phones far more expensive than ours.
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Doubt it will happen. Be lucky to get a stable O ROM at all IMO.
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I'm curious what makes you doubt a stable O ROM will be available for the Axon. It's got a what I assumes is a stable LineageOS 14.1 at the moment.
They've recently come down a bit in price and I was thinking of picking one up to replace a Nexus 6P which suffered from the random reboot problem (using modified kernel, only little cores to get it stable).
I won't buy any phone unless I know it has decent custom ROM support.
What ZTE does with this phone will define how well the next phone sells. ZTE isn't mainstream enough to sell phones just out of carrier partnerships and advertisements. Word of mouth is a huge factor and if people aren't satisfied, they will not recommend the phone.
Another factor are Android news websites who will give free advertisements when axon 7 gets oreo and/or treble by reporting on it.
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What ZTE does with this phone will define how well the next phone sells. ZTE isn't mainstream enough to sell phones just out of carrier partnerships and advertisements. Wired of mouth parts a huge factor and if people aren't satisfied, they will not recommend the phone.
Another factor are Android news websites who will give free advertisements when axon 7 gets oreo and/or treble by reporting on it.
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I agree.
I'm personally pretty satisfied, and I'd definitely buy a new Axon if it's build similarly to the Axon 7 and the price is right.
Zte has the capability to go big I think if they keep their head straight and not compromise on features or sell their devices as expensive as Samsung does for example.
So I'm confused about treble. So from what I'm reading, it will allow Android to be broken down in parts and integrated into separate roms? So for instance, with our phone, it will allow things like stock axon 7 audio to work with our roms? If not can I got a short understanding of what it involves?
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So I'm confused about treble. So from what I'm reading, it will allow Android to be broken down in parts and integrated into separate roms? So for instance, with our phone, it will allow things like stock axon 7 audio to work with our roms? If not can I got a short understanding of what it involves?
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More or less it means what you said.
The drivers will be independently updated from the core system if I'm not mistaken and this will make updating and porting so much easier.
According to Udev the Axon 7 will not be getting Treble because it does not have a vendor partition
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According to Udev the Axon 7 will not be getting Treble because it does not have a vendor partition
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I don't think that means it can't get a vendor partition because it doesn't have one right now.
We've seen device repartitioning since the early Galaxy S i9000 days.
Nothing is impossible in my books unless proven.
Does this mean development may be much better, despite it being a Kirin based SoC? I would imagine so.
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Does this mean development may be much better, despite it being a Kirin based SoC? I would imagine so.
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No. That chip is still a nightmare to work with. Most developers have given up on honor. Only a few remain that are holding out hope.
The main issue is that qualcomm has spent decades working with 3rd party developers. Providing documentation, class and all kinds of tools to help them. Other chip makers are not willing to put that much money into it really.
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No. That chip is still a nightmare to work with. Most developers have given up on honor. Only a few remain that are holding out hope.
The main issue is that qualcomm has spent decades working with 3rd party developers. Providing documentation, class and all kinds of tools to help them. Other chip makers are not willing to put that much money into it really.
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Welp, so much for Honor's XDA partnership. Guess I'll stick with Qualcomm in the future.
Thanks for the informative reply!
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Does this mean development may be much better, despite it being a Kirin based SoC? I would imagine so.
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Yes, honor V10 (like honor 9, mate 10, mate 10 pro, P10) are allready booting allmost fully fonctionnal AOSP treble rom, take a look on treble section in xda.
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Yes, honor V10 (like honor 9, mate 10, mate 10 pro, P10) are allready booting allmost fully fonctionnal AOSP treble rom, take a look on treble section in xda.
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To be honest, they have only gotten as far as devs have before when getting aosp to boot on a device that doesnt have it. Treble support has not been as important as it was lead to seem.
Treble has allow to boot one Rom on several devices using different soc. Plus it can use stock kernel so only system partition is flashed. It's as close as a revolution can happen in the Rom development world. Did you check the treble forum?
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Treble has allow to boot one Rom on several devices using different soc. Plus it can use stock kernel so only system partition is flashed. It's as close as a revolution can happen in the Rom development world. Did you check the treble forum?
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Oh I am well aware of what is going on over there. Now let me let you in on something. A stock based kernel would always boot on many devices. The thing is that most of the stuff doesnt work without changes. Which is still the case. If it is such a revolution then why are there not soo many developers involved?
We will just have to wait to see. Just how important it turns out to be. I like many dont think it will do a whole lot of anything really. As the updates are still pushed by the OEM anyway and you lose all the features from the OEM on AOSP. So almost no point to it really. It wont make updates any faster or for a longer time frame. IT will be like Net neutrality. Not a whole lot will change.
Guys i took this phone just because i taught thag it would get a lot of love from developers i was about to buy the zenfone 5z or g7 thinq but there wasnt any development going on for those devices :/ will our device also face the same fate (only gsi so far )
Eagerly waiting for a costom rom los or anything just to start it up
vichucoolics said:
Guys i took this phone just because i taught thag it would get a lot of love from developers i was about to buy the zenfone 5z or g7 thinq but there wasnt any development going on for those devices :/ will our device also face the same fate (only gsi so far )
Eagerly waiting for a costom rom los or anything just to start it up
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Developer support should be fine, no need to worry too much.
Dude, The phone is just 2 weeks old in total. Chill. Give devs some time.
vichucoolics said:
Guys i took this phone just because i taught thag it would get a lot of love from developers i was about to buy the zenfone 5z or g7 thinq but there wasnt any development going on for those devices :/ will our device also face the same fate (only gsi so far )
Eagerly waiting for a costom rom los or anything just to start it up
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Download source and start building!
Its not like swish and flick a magic wand and we get the rom out of the sparkle box!.
Just wait!
vichucoolics said:
Guys i took this phone just because i taught thag it would get a lot of love from developers i was about to buy the zenfone 5z or g7 thinq but there wasnt any development going on for those devices :/ will our device also face the same fate (only gsi so far )
Eagerly waiting for a costom rom los or anything just to start it up
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I can't wait to run your ROM OP!
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Dude, The phone is just 2 weeks old in total. Chill. Give devs some time.
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Agreed. Plus the fact that the phone received a lot of hype and always sold out in flash sales.
Don't panic the phone is dirt cheap with good specs. A developer (most likely from India) will get their hands on this phone sooner or later.
does fransisco franco will receives his poco F1 from jaimani??